K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Oh! This is P R E C I O U S ! ! ! !

An anonymous heckler and a known pathological liar/deviant coming
to Lennie's "defense" ! ! !

I see no "coming to Len's "defense"" in Mark's comment.

I didn't think you would,

and I don't.

Then we're both satisfied!

Lucky day!

Gee, Lennie! The company YOU keep!

Steve, if you treated folks with a smidgen of dignity, you might find a
kind comment every once in a while as well. But you don't, so you
won't.

Brain, I treated you with PLENTY of "dignity", only to watch you
continue to lie and deceive others about your "achievements" in general
and certain Amateur Radio issues in particular. You violated the
dignity of all here with lies and tales that were laid bare, only to
have you insult us by trying to perpetuate them.

No lies concerning my acheivements...(SNIP)

Obviously not enough truth for you to substantiate any of it...

Not nearly enough concern to substantiate it for you.

(UNSNIP)...and I do have opinions about amateur radio issues.

None of those substantiated by reality either.

Not the "reality" that you dwell in.

You like none of it and so launch your personal attacks.

I consider YOUR "attacks" (mistruths, deceit, etc) about Amateur
Radio to be an "attack" on me. You make disparaging, untrue statements
about Amateur Radio and expect it to be blown off.

You are easily offended. I think that you wish to be offended.

K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Steve, if you treated folks with a smidgen of dignity, you might find a
kind comment every once in a while as well. But you don't, so you
won't.

Brain, I treated you with PLENTY of "dignity", only to watch you
continue to lie and deceive others about your "achievements" in general
and certain Amateur Radio issues in particular. You violated the
dignity of all here with lies and tales that were laid bare, only to
have you insult us by trying to perpetuate them.

No lies concerning my acheivements...(SNIP)

Obviously not enough truth for you to substantiate any of it...

I need not prove anything to you. You may think I do, but that is
faulty thinking on your part.

Oh, I don't think you have to prove anything to me...

But if it were ME making all these easily disproven asserions in
public, I'd want to get my side out in front so all could know "where I
was coming from"...

Indeed. So tell us more about your claims of seven hostile actions.

an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Steve, if you treated folks with a smidgen of dignity, you might find a
kind comment every once in a while as well. But you don't, so you
won't.

Brain, I treated you with PLENTY of "dignity", only to watch you


Stvie you have never treated anyone with dignity you were condessending
and insulting from your arrival in this forum

And you are, once again, lying.

Why do you keep doing that, even in the face of archived evidence
to the contrary?

What combination of drugs were the people who "raised' you on that
you get these strange ideas that lying is "OK" and that it is somehow
"justifed"

What do you think you're accomplishing?

continue to lie and deceive others about your "achievements" in general
and certain Amateur Radio issues in particular. You violated the
dignity of all here with lies and tales that were laid bare, only to
have you insult us by trying to perpetuate them.

No lies concerning my acheivements...(SNIP)

Obviously not enough truth for you to substantiate any of it...

I need not prove anything to you. You may think I do, but that is
faulty thinking on your part.

Oh, I don't think you have to prove anything to me...

you certainly claim he does

Nope.

Brain only "owes" himself and his family. A man's reputation and
legacy stands or falls on his character and honesty.

guess you are admiting to lying

Guess you're wrong.

But if it were ME making all these easily disproven asserions in
public, I'd want to get my side out in front so all could know "where I
was coming from"...

you haven't dispooven anything he has said or that I have for that
matter

Sure I have...starting with his lies about having operated legally
from Somalia.

Follow that up with his insistance that "unlicensed devices play a
major role in emergency comms". Wrap it it (for now) with his
silliness about ARES not bein able to respond to call-outs and it's
service being "overblown".

So far all we have are your assertions and your damnations for
anyone insisting that you substantiate them.

he advances lines of reasoning and explaination and does far more
politely than you

With the same profanity and demaning tone of
Lennie...Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

There's nothing "reasonin" nor "polite" about lying, regardless
of how eloquently it is said.

(UNSNIP)...and I do have opinions about amateur radio issues.

None of those substantiated by reality either.

Faulty thinking on your part, again.

Nope.

entirely

Nope. Already proven otherwise.

Fact.

nope

A-yup.

None of your assertions, ie: unlicensed devices, ARES, etc aren't
even remotely factual, unless requalified with language such as "in my
opinion..."

entirely factual

Not in the least.

Show me reference that SUBSTANTIATE a single word of any of it,
Markie.

You like none of it and so launch your personal attacks.

I consider YOUR "attacks" (mistruths, deceit, etc) about Amateur
Radio to be an "attack" on me. You make disparaging, untrue statements
about Amateur Radio and expect it to be blown off.

Faulty thinking on your part, again.

Nope.

You make untrue disparging remarks that you expect others to
blindly accept or blow off.

I am sure he does not expect you to blindly accept them or blow them
off. He expects you deny threaten harras and generaly act lack a child
and you rarely disappiont

Nope.

He hopes that he can make up stories that will ass fopr valid and
then get's riled when he's called on them. Then he get's even MORE
riled when anyone dares to challenge his "opinions".

He accuses me ot that, but that's more Brain trying to his tracks.

I do neither.

indeed you bather and rage and act like a child

"bather"....

"rage and act like a child.."?!?!

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

That YOU would expect it to be so is the "faulty thinking".

more of stevie making up something then disproving

I didn't make any of it up, Markie.

Making things up is in LennieRealm. That's the home to those who
like to lie, misdirect, cuss and accuse others of "childish" behaviour
all-the-while stomping their feet and demanding that others threat them
a certain way while refusing to do it themselves.

Like you, for example.

Steve, K4YZ

b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Brain, I treated you with PLENTY of "dignity", only to watch you
continue to lie and deceive others about your "achievements" in general
and certain Amateur Radio issues in particular. You violated the
dignity of all here with lies and tales that were laid bare, only to
have you insult us by trying to perpetuate them.

No lies concerning my acheivements...(SNIP)

Obviously not enough truth for you to substantiate any of it...

Not nearly enough concern to substantiate it for you.

Not nearly enough FACTS for you to substantiate it, Brain.

(UNSNIP)...and I do have opinions about amateur radio issues.

None of those substantiated by reality either.

Not the "reality" that you dwell in.

My reality is truth.

Yours is...well...it's something else...

You like none of it and so launch your personal attacks.

I consider YOUR "attacks" (mistruths, deceit, etc) about Amateur
Radio to be an "attack" on me. You make disparaging, untrue statements
about Amateur Radio and expect it to be blown off.

You are easily offended. I think that you wish to be offended.

Nope. I'd like to carry one meaningful discussions (and
frequently do) about Amateur Radio issues.

The problem is you, Lennie, and just a few other ner-do-wells who
seem to think that what you do is "constructive".

Silly Brain.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Steve, if you treated folks with a smidgen of dignity, you might find a
kind comment every once in a while as well. But you don't, so you
won't.

Brain, I treated you with PLENTY of "dignity", only to watch you


Stvie you have never treated anyone with dignity you were condessending
and insulting from your arrival in this forum

And you are, once again, lying.

Not at all you showed up gere all those years ago full of yourself and
how generous you were felling that 5wpm morse you would (a if it was
in your power to do so) ok if people like me accepted it as a final
solution,

your insulting and condesending manner was so think it was choking


Why do you keep doing that, even in the face of archived evidence
to the contrary?

no lie what so ever

What combination of drugs were the people who "raised' you on that
you get these strange ideas that lying is "OK" and that it is somehow
"justifed"

more simple libel, andnow of my parents as well stevie


What do you think you're accomplishing?

leting you show the world what a narrow minded sack of **** you realy
are

continue to lie and deceive others about your "achievements" in general
and certain Amateur Radio issues in particular. You violated the
dignity of all here with lies and tales that were laid bare, only to
have you insult us by trying to perpetuate them.

No lies concerning my acheivements...(SNIP)

Obviously not enough truth for you to substantiate any of it...

I need not prove anything to you. You may think I do, but that is
faulty thinking on your part.

Oh, I don't think you have to prove anything to me...

you certainly claim he does

Nope.

more lies you advance these demends constantly


Brain only "owes" himself and his family. A man's reputation and
legacy stands or falls on his character and honesty.

you climing to be kin of BB now?


guess you are admiting to lying

Guess you're wrong.

nope I am right you are just not man enough to do it in words


But if it were ME making all these easily disproven asserions in
public, I'd want to get my side out in front so all could know "where I
was coming from"...

you haven't dispooven anything he has said or that I have for that
matter

Sure I have...starting with his lies about having operated legally
from Somalia.

sorry who did what and you proved it how?



Follow that up with his insistance that "unlicensed devices play a
major role in emergency comms". Wrap it it (for now) with his
silliness about ARES not bein able to respond to call-outs and it's
service being "overblown".

unlicensed devices do play a major role in emergency comm simple
fact.and ARES PR is over blown meaning you have proved nothing to the
contary


So far all we have are your assertions and your damnations for
anyone insisting that you substantiate them.

he advances lines of reasoning and explaination and does far more
politely than you

With the same profanity and demaning tone of
Lennie...Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

which is more polite than you

being more polite than you isn't hard

There's nothing "reasonin" nor "polite" about lying, regardless
of how eloquently it is said.

hoist by your petard

but you do need to learn english, one can be very polite and be lying
thier ass off, check the speeches of most politicos

(UNSNIP)...and I do have opinions about amateur radio issues.

None of those substantiated by reality either.

Faulty thinking on your part, again.

Nope.

entirely

Nope. Already proven otherwise.

you have proven nothing but your own dishonesty and stupidity


Fact.

nope

A-yup.

None of your assertions, ie: unlicensed devices, ARES, etc aren't
even remotely factual, unless requalified with language such as "in my
opinion..."

entirely factual

Not in the least.

entirely factual


Show me reference that SUBSTANTIATE a single word of any of it,
Markie.

already have as have bb


You like none of it and so launch your personal attacks.

I consider YOUR "attacks" (mistruths, deceit, etc) about Amateur
Radio to be an "attack" on me. You make disparaging, untrue statements
about Amateur Radio and expect it to be blown off.

Faulty thinking on your part, again.

Nope.

You make untrue disparging remarks that you expect others to
blindly accept or blow off.

I am sure he does not expect you to blindly accept them or blow them
off. He expects you deny threaten harras and generaly act lack a child
and you rarely disappiont

Nope.

He hopes that he can make up stories that will ass fopr valid and
then get's riled when he's called on them. Then he get's even MORE
riled when anyone dares to challenge his "opinions".

which will "ass fopr"

you don't challnce people to insult and denagrate people

you don't discuss anything either you just go on insisting you are
right and no discussion of he matter can be tolerated


He accuses me ot that, but that's more Brain trying to his tracks.

you do make stuff all the time

you apply your mind to distorting something then attacking what wasn't
said


I do neither.

indeed you bather and rage and act like a child

"bather"....

"rage and act like a child.."?!?!

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

glad to see you agree


That YOU would expect it to be so is the "faulty thinking".

more of stevie making up something then disproving

I didn't make any of it up, Markie.

you do all the time


Making things up is in LennieRealm. That's the home to those who
like to lie, misdirect, cuss and accuse others of "childish" behaviour
all-the-while stomping their feet and demanding that others threat them
a certain way while refusing to do it themselves.

projecting again


Like you, for example.

not realy it is you that can't stand up to his own standards

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Brain, I treated you with PLENTY of "dignity", only to watch you
continue to lie and deceive others about your "achievements" in general
and certain Amateur Radio issues in particular. You violated the
dignity of all here with lies and tales that were laid bare, only to
have you insult us by trying to perpetuate them.

No lies concerning my acheivements...(SNIP)

Obviously not enough truth for you to substantiate any of it...

Not nearly enough concern to substantiate it for you.

Not nearly enough FACTS for you to substantiate it, Brain.

right you did not provide enough facts to substnaiate it Steve you are
agreeing with him and with me

indeed you even refuse to stat what you claim those acheveiments are


(UNSNIP)...and I do have opinions about amateur radio issues.

None of those substantiated by reality either.

Not the "reality" that you dwell in.

My reality is truth.

you have no contact with reality prehaps not even by radio

Yours is...well...it's something else...

you would never know

You accept press realeases as gosple turth

that is stupid, and at best niave at worst willfully blind


You like none of it and so launch your personal attacks.

I consider YOUR "attacks" (mistruths, deceit, etc) about Amateur
Radio to be an "attack" on me. You make disparaging, untrue statements
about Amateur Radio and expect it to be blown off.

You are easily offended. I think that you wish to be offended.

Nope. I'd like to carry one meaningful discussions (and
frequently do) about Amateur Radio issues.

a real whopper there Stevie

The problem is you, Lennie, and just a few other ner-do-wells who
seem to think that what you do is "constructive".

yes we think it is constructive to look behind the curtain at the real
world


Silly Brain.

Steve, K4YZ

From: an old friend on Jul 29, 10:07 am

K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Brain, I treated you with PLENTY of "dignity", only to watch you
continue to lie and deceive others about your "achievements" in general
and certain Amateur Radio issues in particular. You violated the
dignity of all here with lies and tales that were laid bare, only to
have you insult us by trying to perpetuate them.

No lies concerning my acheivements...(SNIP)

Obviously not enough truth for you to substantiate any of it...

Not nearly enough concern to substantiate it for you.

Not nearly enough FACTS for you to substantiate it, Brain.

right you did not provide enough facts to substnaiate it Steve you are
agreeing with him and with me

indeed you even refuse to stat what you claim those acheveiments are

Snarly Stebie doesn't do much else in this newsgroup but
boast generalities of a non-specific nature while generally
insulting everyone who doesn't agree with him.

He has changed his boasting so many times that it is difficult
to know what he has actually done or experienced.

(UNSNIP)...and I do have opinions about amateur radio issues.

None of those substantiated by reality either.

Not the "reality" that you dwell in.

My reality is truth.

you have no contact with reality prehaps not even by radio

Snarly Stebie's version of "truth" is whatever he wants to
claim on any particular day. He has NO references on any of
it. Some examples:

Stebie would challenge "call the VA and they can tell you"
[all about Stebie's military record] Actually, they can't
under a law almost two decades old restricting personal
information on individuals. Secondly, the NARA (National
Archives and Records Administration) in St. Louis, MO, is
the place to go for individual military personnel data;
that's where any VA office would go for their information.
Anyone can access the NARA website and even request data,
but that data request has to be accompanied by proof of
who you are and why you are asking (personnel departments
of companies have limited access greater than individuals).

In the beginning of Stebie's tirades he mentioned a Medical
Discharge that cut his marine career to 18 years (rather
than a full 20). He then made that an "Honorable" instead
of a medical discharge; if he had gotten that discharge some
5 years before (his alleged time was 1974 to 1992), why
would he not have said "honorable" in the beginning? That's
all archived, BTW.

Stebie claimed to have been in "seven hostile actions"
during his military career, but it seems he is spinning
that into the USMC being involved in those...while he was
in it. He has no proof at all shown in here that HE was
IN any of those hostile actions. That's in newer archives.

Stebie has claimed "working in military radio communications"
but isn't at all familiar with the very common (quarter
million R/T units made and operational) SINCGARS radio set
that went into service first in 1989 and continues to this
day. Considering his claimed active duty time was 1974 to
1992, he should at least have known about that set...and of
earlier ones. He could NOT name any particular radio set
by its nomenclature which is VERY unusual for anyone working
in that field. That's in archives over several years.

At best, Stebie's claims are only for an "Assistant" NCOIC
position at a MARS station in Okinawa in the 1980s. MARS
stations are NOT a regular part of any service branch radio
communications...are, at best, a sort of special services
like operation where they MIGHT be used for regular comms
in case of catastrophic happenings to the Defense
Communication System (DCS). That's in very recent archives.
Worse yet, it took months for Stebie to acknowledge that
the Department of Defense directs MARS, even when given the
link to the directive itself available on the Internet at
the DoD website.

Yours is...well...it's something else...

you would never know

You accept press realeases as gosple turth

that is stupid, and at best niave at worst willfully blind

Stebie works on an emotional level rather than a logical one.
If some PR spin makes him feel good, he "believes" it. If
it doesn't make him feel good, he is offended and thinks it
is an "insult" to both him and amateur radio (as he knows it).

You like none of it and so launch your personal attacks.

I consider YOUR "attacks" (mistruths, deceit, etc) about Amateur
Radio to be an "attack" on me. You make disparaging, untrue statements
about Amateur Radio and expect it to be blown off.

You are easily offended. I think that you wish to be offended.

Nope. I'd like to carry one meaningful discussions (and
frequently do) about Amateur Radio issues.

a real whopper there Stevie

True! Google archives have the proof in them, in thousands of
personal-insult messages generated by Stebie...with only a few
(perhaps a dozen at most) which are actual discussions devoid
of personal attacks at somebody.

The problem is you, Lennie, and just a few other ner-do-wells who
seem to think that what you do is "constructive".

yes we think it is constructive to look behind the curtain at the real
world

That would disturb Stebie's fantasy. He wants the nicely-ordered
military-style discipline he is no longer a part of...one where
everything is explained and laid-out, no room for deviation from
the precise order of things. He can fit into that. However, if
the environment changes, he gets very upset and angry. He can't
handle disagreements with his opinions, tries to defend himself
(no need in normal discussion not about a person) by issuing a
series of personal insults directed at his perceived "accuser."

There is, nor has there ever been, a SINGLE "correct" way of
doing things in amateur radio. Amateur radio is NOT a military
branch and the ARRL is NOT a directive-issuing "headquarters" (no
matter what some like to believe). Any "need" to hold tradition
tight and fast, to "work" stations in a particular mode (such as
radiotelegraphy) is purely personal perception. Hewing to one
particular way of doing things is NOT indicative of some kind of
expertise in anything.

But, the old rank-status-privilege class consciousness of the
old six-class license system suits the ordered, disciplined
military psyche. One "works up through the ranks" (in some
folks' perception) even though the hobby is just a hobby, not a
job, not a branch of the military, not part of a union or craft
or guild. It CAN be a fun hobby, an interesting personal
recreation, but having to march in ranks to some saber-rattling
control freak's idea of what constitutes "real" ham radio is
NOT a recreation. Such is more like a variant of sado-
masochism.

Radio is radio. Electrons, fields and waves behave by THEIR
physical laws, not the laws of various administrations. By the
nature of EM propagation, administrations MUST regulate radio
use to keep the EM chaos to a minimum. Licensing is just a tool
of administrations to regulate civil radio. The "class" of
license is a human-made artificiality which does NOT recognize
any actual "expertise" (the FCC is NOT an academic institution).
Skill at radiotelegraphy does NOT indicate anything but skill in
that particular mode; radiotelegraphy does not make a radio
operate "better" (or worse) below 30 MHz. Many radio amateurs
do think so, but that is their own personal perception which
is NOT borne out by natural laws of physics...or the experience
of every other radio service.

One MUST look at what other radio services are doing. Firstly,
amateurs must co-exist in the EM spectrum with all other radio
services. Secondly, other radio services, having (usually)
more flexibility in mode type use, can offer insight into
possible new methods of communications. Thirdly, closing off
minds to what happens elsewhere and claiming it is "for the
good of amateur radio" is a simple cop-out, an excuse NOT to
learn, investigate, to enquire about new things, new
possibilities; it's a rationale for being LAZY.

From: "b.b." on Fri 29 Jul 2005 03:06


K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Steve, if you treated folks with a smidgen of dignity, you might find a
kind comment every once in a while as well. But you don't, so you
won't.

Brain, I treated you with PLENTY of "dignity", only to watch you
continue to lie and deceive others about your "achievements" in general
and certain Amateur Radio issues in particular. You violated the
dignity of all here with lies and tales that were laid bare, only to
have you insult us by trying to perpetuate them.

No lies concerning my acheivements...(SNIP)

Obviously not enough truth for you to substantiate any of it...

Not nearly enough concern to substantiate it for you.

Brian, it doesn't matter WHAT Stebie is shown, presented,
given links to, or gift wrapped as a birthday present. He
will STILL call it a "lie" and continue on the personal-
insult vendetta of his own.

His newsgroup skin is microns thick and emotional pain
threshold is so low it may be off medical charts. ANYTHING
in disagreement with his statements and he is immediately
in a FIGHT mood, insulting and demeaning those who disagree
with him. Rather remarkable in his volatility.


(UNSNIP)...and I do have opinions about amateur radio issues.

None of those substantiated by reality either.

Not the "reality" that you dwell in.

He still hasn't understood that. He's either nuts or getting
there faster than he realizes...

Perhaps he just feigns all that "outrage" in order to call
attention to himself? That's a possibility but unfortunately
just as sick.


You like none of it and so launch your personal attacks.

I consider YOUR "attacks" (mistruths, deceit, etc) about Amateur
Radio to be an "attack" on me. You make disparaging, untrue statements
about Amateur Radio and expect it to be blown off.

You are easily offended. I think that you wish to be offended.

There IS some psychological syndrome like that, but dwelling
on his psychosis only results in more and more ANGER of his.

And this posting I make will just inflame him more...tsk, tsk.

Well, that's how it goes...

bit bit

K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Brain, I treated you with PLENTY of "dignity", only to watch you
continue to lie and deceive others about your "achievements" in general
and certain Amateur Radio issues in particular. You violated the
dignity of all here with lies and tales that were laid bare, only to
have you insult us by trying to perpetuate them.

No lies concerning my acheivements...(SNIP)

Obviously not enough truth for you to substantiate any of it...

Not nearly enough concern to substantiate it for you.

Not nearly enough FACTS for you to substantiate it, Brain.

Lack of concern for your demands.

(UNSNIP)...and I do have opinions about amateur radio issues.

None of those substantiated by reality either.

Not the "reality" that you dwell in.

My reality is truth.

Yes, yes, yes. You are the way the truth and the light...

You like none of it and so launch your personal attacks.

I consider YOUR "attacks" (mistruths, deceit, etc) about Amateur
Radio to be an "attack" on me. You make disparaging, untrue statements
about Amateur Radio and expect it to be blown off.

You are easily offended. I think that you wish to be offended.

Nope. I'd like to carry one meaningful discussions (and
frequently do) about Amateur Radio issues.

One meaningful discussions? You're too pluralistic.

The problem is you, Lennie, and just a few other ner-do-wells who
seem to think that what you do is "constructive".

Hi! I suppose that you think what you do is constructive. Hi, hi!

You're emotionally and mentally defective.

K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Brain, I treated you with PLENTY of "dignity", only to watch you
continue to lie and deceive others about your "achievements" in general
and certain Amateur Radio issues in particular. You violated the
dignity of all here with lies and tales that were laid bare, only to
have you insult us by trying to perpetuate them.

No lies concerning my acheivements...(SNIP)

Obviously not enough truth for you to substantiate any of it...

Not nearly enough concern to substantiate it for you.

Not nearly enough FACTS for you to substantiate it, Brain.

Merely a lack of concern for your demands.

(UNSNIP)...and I do have opinions about amateur radio issues.

None of those substantiated by reality either.

Not the "reality" that you dwell in.

My reality is truth.

Yes, yes, yes. You are the way the truth and the light...

You like none of it and so launch your personal attacks.

I consider YOUR "attacks" (mistruths, deceit, etc) about Amateur
Radio to be an "attack" on me. You make disparaging, untrue statements
about Amateur Radio and expect it to be blown off.

You are easily offended. I think that you wish to be offended.

Nope. I'd like to carry one meaningful discussions (and
frequently do) about Amateur Radio issues.

One meaningful discussions? You're way too pluralistic.

The problem is you, Lennie, and just a few other ner-do-wells who
seem to think that what you do is "constructive".

Hi! I suppose that you think what you do is constructive? Hi, hi!

We don't continually embarass amateur radio and bring discredit upon
the Extra Class licensees the way you do. You should be proud of
yourselves.