From: an old friend on Jul 29, 10:07 am

K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Brain, I treated you with PLENTY of "dignity", only to watch you
continue to lie and deceive others about your "achievements" in general
and certain Amateur Radio issues in particular. You violated the
dignity of all here with lies and tales that were laid bare, only to
have you insult us by trying to perpetuate them.

No lies concerning my acheivements...(SNIP)

Obviously not enough truth for you to substantiate any of it...

Not nearly enough concern to substantiate it for you.

Not nearly enough FACTS for you to substantiate it, Brain.

right you did not provide enough facts to substnaiate it Steve you are
agreeing with him and with me

indeed you even refuse to stat what you claim those acheveiments are

Snarly Stebie doesn't do much else in this newsgroup but
boast generalities of a non-specific nature while generally
insulting everyone who doesn't agree with him.

He has changed his boasting so many times that it is difficult
to know what he has actually done or experienced.

(UNSNIP)...and I do have opinions about amateur radio issues.

None of those substantiated by reality either.

Not the "reality" that you dwell in.

My reality is truth.

you have no contact with reality prehaps not even by radio

Snarly Stebie's version of "truth" is whatever he wants to
claim on any particular day. He has NO references on any of
it. Some examples:

Stebie would challenge "call the VA and they can tell you"
[all about Stebie's military record] Actually, they can't
under a law almost two decades old restricting personal
information on individuals. Secondly, the NARA (National
Archives and Records Administration) in St. Louis, MO, is
the place to go for individual military personnel data;
that's where any VA office would go for their information.
Anyone can access the NARA website and even request data,
but that data request has to be accompanied by proof of
who you are and why you are asking (personnel departments
of companies have limited access greater than individuals).

In the beginning of Stebie's tirades he mentioned a Medical
Discharge that cut his marine career to 18 years (rather
than a full 20). He then made that an "Honorable" instead
of a medical discharge; if he had gotten that discharge some
5 years before (his alleged time was 1974 to 1992), why
would he not have said "honorable" in the beginning? That's
all archived, BTW.

Stebie claimed to have been in "seven hostile actions"
during his military career, but it seems he is spinning
that into the USMC being involved in those...while he was
in it. He has no proof at all shown in here that HE was
IN any of those hostile actions. That's in newer archives.

Stebie has claimed "working in military radio communications"
but isn't at all familiar with the very common (quarter
million R/T units made and operational) SINCGARS radio set
that went into service first in 1989 and continues to this
day. Considering his claimed active duty time was 1974 to
1992, he should at least have known about that set...and of
earlier ones. He could NOT name any particular radio set
by its nomenclature which is VERY unusual for anyone working
in that field. That's in archives over several years.

At best, Stebie's claims are only for an "Assistant" NCOIC
position at a MARS station in Okinawa in the 1980s. MARS
stations are NOT a regular part of any service branch radio
communications...are, at best, a sort of special services
like operation where they MIGHT be used for regular comms
in case of catastrophic happenings to the Defense
Communication System (DCS). That's in very recent archives.
Worse yet, it took months for Stebie to acknowledge that
the Department of Defense directs MARS, even when given the
link to the directive itself available on the Internet at
the DoD website.

Yours is...well...it's something else...

you would never know

You accept press realeases as gosple turth

that is stupid, and at best niave at worst willfully blind

Stebie works on an emotional level rather than a logical one.
If some PR spin makes him feel good, he "believes" it. If
it doesn't make him feel good, he is offended and thinks it
is an "insult" to both him and amateur radio (as he knows it).

You like none of it and so launch your personal attacks.

I consider YOUR "attacks" (mistruths, deceit, etc) about Amateur
Radio to be an "attack" on me. You make disparaging, untrue statements
about Amateur Radio and expect it to be blown off.

You are easily offended. I think that you wish to be offended.

Nope. I'd like to carry one meaningful discussions (and
frequently do) about Amateur Radio issues.

a real whopper there Stevie

True! Google archives have the proof in them, in thousands of
personal-insult messages generated by Stebie...with only a few
(perhaps a dozen at most) which are actual discussions devoid
of personal attacks at somebody.

The problem is you, Lennie, and just a few other ner-do-wells who
seem to think that what you do is "constructive".

yes we think it is constructive to look behind the curtain at the real
world

That would disturb Stebie's fantasy. He wants the nicely-ordered
military-style discipline he is no longer a part of...one where
everything is explained and laid-out, no room for deviation from
the precise order of things. He can fit into that. However, if
the environment changes, he gets very upset and angry. He can't
handle disagreements with his opinions, tries to defend himself
(no need in normal discussion not about a person) by issuing a
series of personal insults directed at his perceived "accuser."

There is, nor has there ever been, a SINGLE "correct" way of
doing things in amateur radio. Amateur radio is NOT a military
branch and the ARRL is NOT a directive-issuing "headquarters" (no
matter what some like to believe). Any "need" to hold tradition
tight and fast, to "work" stations in a particular mode (such as
radiotelegraphy) is purely personal perception. Hewing to one
particular way of doing things is NOT indicative of some kind of
expertise in anything.

But, the old rank-status-privilege class consciousness of the
old six-class license system suits the ordered, disciplined
military psyche. One "works up through the ranks" (in some
folks' perception) even though the hobby is just a hobby, not a
job, not a branch of the military, not part of a union or craft
or guild. It CAN be a fun hobby, an interesting personal
recreation, but having to march in ranks to some saber-rattling
control freak's idea of what constitutes "real" ham radio is
NOT a recreation. Such is more like a variant of sado-
masochism.

Radio is radio. Electrons, fields and waves behave by THEIR
physical laws, not the laws of various administrations. By the
nature of EM propagation, administrations MUST regulate radio
use to keep the EM chaos to a minimum. Licensing is just a tool
of administrations to regulate civil radio. The "class" of
license is a human-made artificiality which does NOT recognize
any actual "expertise" (the FCC is NOT an academic institution).
Skill at radiotelegraphy does NOT indicate anything but skill in
that particular mode; radiotelegraphy does not make a radio
operate "better" (or worse) below 30 MHz. Many radio amateurs
do think so, but that is their own personal perception which
is NOT borne out by natural laws of physics...or the experience
of every other radio service.

One MUST look at what other radio services are doing. Firstly,
amateurs must co-exist in the EM spectrum with all other radio
services. Secondly, other radio services, having (usually)
more flexibility in mode type use, can offer insight into
possible new methods of communications. Thirdly, closing off
minds to what happens elsewhere and claiming it is "for the
good of amateur radio" is a simple cop-out, an excuse NOT to
learn, investigate, to enquire about new things, new
possibilities; it's a rationale for being LAZY.

wrote:

Snarly Stebie doesn't do much else in this newsgroup but
boast generalities of a non-specific nature while generally
insulting everyone who doesn't agree with him.

Untrue, but then when has "truth" been your suit, Lennie?

He has changed his boasting so many times that it is difficult
to know what he has actually done or experienced.

I haven't been boasting.

On the otherhand this post I am replying to is over 300 lines
long.

Snarly Stebie's version of "truth" is whatever he wants to
claim on any particular day. He has NO references on any of
it. Some examples:

Stebie would challenge "call the VA and they can tell you"
[all about Stebie's military record]

Untrue.

You at one time doubted my having served at all. The VA CAN
varify that information. You refused, of course...Lot's of
excuses...Nothing new there...

Big snip

In the beginning of Stebie's tirades he mentioned a Medical
Discharge that cut his marine career to 18 years (rather
than a full 20). He then made that an "Honorable" instead
of a medical discharge; if he had gotten that discharge some
5 years before (his alleged time was 1974 to 1992), why
would he not have said "honorable" in the beginning? That's
all archived, BTW.

Well...MOST of it is archived. You've taken some literary license
with what was said, but I am sure it's much more colorful in your mind
that way.

Stebie claimed to have been in "seven hostile actions"
during his military career, but it seems he is spinning
that into the USMC being involved in those...while he was
in it. He has no proof at all shown in here that HE was
IN any of those hostile actions. That's in newer archives.

And we won't discuss any of them.

Just like you harrangue Dave Heil over his service in the State
Department (all of it fact-based and verifyable), I shant give you the
pleasure. You can go ahead and insist "it didn't happen" based upon my
refusal to tell you the details, if you care to, but ti still doesn't
make it any less factual.

Stebie has claimed "working in military radio communications"
but isn't at all familiar with the very common (quarter
million R/T units made and operational) SINCGARS...(SNIP)

Lennie, I guess it's silly to point out to you that SINCGARS is
NOT the end-all of radio communications in the Armed Forces.

Your 3000th telling of yet another SINCGARS story does not make it
any more valuable than any other communications resource...Then, now or
in the future.

Nore snip

At best, Stebie's claims are only for an "Assistant" NCOIC
position at a MARS station in Okinawa in the 1980s. MARS
stations are NOT a regular part of any service branch radio
communications...are, at best, a sort of special services
like operation where they MIGHT be used for regular comms
in case of catastrophic happenings to the Defense
Communication System (DCS).

But...but...but...LENNIE!

YOU are the one who made the big deal about who runs MARS, etc etc
even when it wasn't an issue!

That's in very recent archives.
Worse yet, it took months for Stebie to acknowledge that
the Department of Defense directs MARS, even when given the
link to the directive itself available on the Internet at
the DoD website.

It was never in question.

Lennie is uttering a blatant falsehood every time he repeats this.

Lying IS Lennie's forte. This is why Lennie H doesn't get the
respect and admiration he THINKS he deserves...

More Big Snip

a real whopper there Stevie

True! Google archives have the proof in them, in thousands of
personal-insult messages generated by Stebie...with only a few
(perhaps a dozen at most) which are actual discussions devoid
of personal attacks at somebody.

Nice try, Lennie.

Looking in the mirror again, obviously.

A survey of the posts of "Lenof21", "Lenover21", etc etc will show
precious few that don't "diss" "Rev Jimmie", "Katapult Kellie", "Der
Feldwebel", etc etc etc.

PRECIOUS few...

And the darned ironic thing is that I'm the one who usually jabs
Lennie, yet Lennie engages in all these "persoanl insult" diatribes at
almost everyone...

The problem is you, Lennie, and just a few other ner-do-wells who
seem to think that what you do is "constructive".

yes we think it is constructive to look behind the curtain at the real
world

That would disturb Stebie's fantasy. He wants the nicely-ordered
military-style discipline he is no longer a part of...(SNIP)

Wrong.


(UNSNIP)...one where
everything is explained and laid-out, no room for deviation from
the precise order of things. He can fit into that. However, if
the environment changes, he gets very upset and angry. He can't
handle disagreements with his opinions, tries to defend himself
(no need in normal discussion not about a person) by issuing a
series of personal insults directed at his perceived "accuser."

Even MORE ironic that I have never addressed you (or anyone) as
the "accuser"...that would be a LennieTerm. One that helps to
establish "victim status"

There is, nor has there ever been, a SINGLE "correct" way of
doing things in amateur radio.

There's been ONE constant in Amatuer Radio...

The license.

The one you don't have...The one you CAN'T get.

Amateur radio is NOT a military...(SNIP)

Your reality is slipping again, Lennie...

You really stretch to make these up, don't you..?!?!

Or is it just an excuse to tell Mrs Lennie "Just one more minute
Dear...", hoping she'll fall asleep before you have to go "do your
duty".

But, the old rank-status-privilege class consciousness of the
old six-class license system suits the ordered, disciplined
military psyche.

You keep mentioning "military psyche" along with your 1950's-era
radio stories, Lennie...

It doesn't take an LMHSW to figure you out...

More big snip.

Radio is radio.

No, it's not. Not in the APPLICATION.

This forum is about AMATEUR RADIO...Not Army, or PLMRS, or GMRS,
etc etc etc.

Big snip.

One MUST look at what other radio services are doing. Firstly,
amateurs must co-exist in the EM spectrum with all other radio
services.

We must co-exist in that we do not cause any disruption of service
to OTHER radio services. What goes on inside those band edges is a
whole different story.

Secondly, other radio services, having (usually)
more flexibility in mode type use, can offer insight into
possible new methods of communications.

But...but...but...LENNIE!

YOU are the one who keeps yelling "IT'S JUST A HOBBY!"

Where does the FUN of operating radios that are software defined
and require almost NO human interaction to make work go...?!?!

Thirdly, closing off
minds to what happens elsewhere and claiming it is "for the
good of amateur radio" is a simple cop-out, an excuse NOT to
learn, investigate, to enquire about new things, new
possibilities; it's a rationale for being LAZY.

Lennie...YOU keep repeating that threadbare and untruthful rant
over and over, and it's no more true today than when you first sprout
it.



Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:

Snarly Stebie doesn't do much else in this newsgroup but
boast generalities of a non-specific nature while generally
insulting everyone who doesn't agree with him.

Untrue, but then when has "truth" been your suit, Lennie?

entirely true

He has changed his boasting so many times that it is difficult
to know what he has actually done or experienced.

I haven't been boasting.

sure have been boasting about your achivements sayning they are better
than Lenn without of course saying what they are


On the otherhand this post I am replying to is over 300 lines
long.

So? Now you are trying to ditate how people may express themselves


Snarly Stebie's version of "truth" is whatever he wants to
claim on any particular day. He has NO references on any of
it. Some examples:

Stebie would challenge "call the VA and they can tell you"
[all about Stebie's military record]

Untrue.

You at one time doubted my having served at all. The VA CAN
varify that information. You refused, of course...Lot's of
excuses...Nothing new there...

No Stevie the people who do that but only to a small degree is USAREC
in St.Louis MO

But they can't verify a claim that you will make spefic enough to even
ask about


Big snip

In the beginning of Stebie's tirades he mentioned a Medical
Discharge that cut his marine career to 18 years (rather
than a full 20). He then made that an "Honorable" instead
of a medical discharge; if he had gotten that discharge some
5 years before (his alleged time was 1974 to 1992), why
would he not have said "honorable" in the beginning? That's
all archived, BTW.

Well...MOST of it is archived. You've taken some literary license
with what was said, but I am sure it's much more colorful in your mind
that way.

and you admit to this or not?


Stebie claimed to have been in "seven hostile actions"
during his military career, but it seems he is spinning
that into the USMC being involved in those...while he was
in it. He has no proof at all shown in here that HE was
IN any of those hostile actions. That's in newer archives.

And we won't discuss any of them.

then they are claims without proof, or BYS Stevie lies


Just like you harrangue Dave Heil over his service in the State
Department (all of it fact-based and verifyable), I shant give you the
pleasure. You can go ahead and insist "it didn't happen" based upon my
refusal to tell you the details, if you care to, but ti still doesn't
make it any less factual.

just appling YOUR OWN STANDARDS Stevie

Stebie has claimed "working in military radio communications"
but isn't at all familiar with the very common (quarter
million R/T units made and operational) SINCGARS...(SNIP)

Lennie, I guess it's silly to point out to you that SINCGARS is
NOT the end-all of radio communications in the Armed Forces.

but you know nothing of the system where I a 54E know a afair about
them, without having served a commo related MOS. make it very dubious


Your 3000th telling of yet another SINCGARS story does not make it
any more valuable than any other communications resource...Then, now or
in the future.

Nore snip

At best, Stebie's claims are only for an "Assistant" NCOIC
position at a MARS station in Okinawa in the 1980s. MARS
stations are NOT a regular part of any service branch radio
communications...are, at best, a sort of special services
like operation where they MIGHT be used for regular comms
in case of catastrophic happenings to the Defense
Communication System (DCS).

break
But...but...but...LENNIE!

YOU are the one who made the big deal about who runs MARS, etc etc
even when it wasn't an issue!

more stevie lies

That's in very recent archives.
Worse yet, it took months for Stebie to acknowledge that
the Department of Defense directs MARS, even when given the
link to the directive itself available on the Internet at
the DoD website.


you claimed otherwise

It was never in question.

Lennie is uttering a blatant falsehood every time he repeats this.

Lying IS Lennie's forte. This is why Lennie H doesn't get the
respect and admiration he THINKS he deserves...


Stevie just goes and on dening his own words

More Big Snip

a real whopper there Stevie

True! Google archives have the proof in them, in thousands of
personal-insult messages generated by Stebie...with only a few
(perhaps a dozen at most) which are actual discussions devoid
of personal attacks at somebody.

Nice try, Lennie.

BUZZ wrong it is the truth although with your limited mind you may be
unaware of the sheer volume of **** you generate here in RRAP


Looking in the mirror again, obviously.

A survey of the posts of "Lenof21", "Lenover21", etc etc will show
precious few that don't "diss" "Rev Jimmie", "Katapult Kellie", "Der
Feldwebel", etc etc etc.

PRECIOUS few...

And the darned ironic thing is that I'm the one who usually jabs
Lennie, yet Lennie engages in all these "persoanl insult" diatribes at
almost everyone...

you must be reading a different Usenet than I am Stevie or be lying or
delusional


The problem is you, Lennie, and just a few other ner-do-wells who
seem to think that what you do is "constructive".

yes we think it is constructive to look behind the curtain at the real
world

That would disturb Stebie's fantasy. He wants the nicely-ordered
military-style discipline he is no longer a part of...(SNIP)

Wrong.

right You can't handle to turth



(UNSNIP)...one where
everything is explained and laid-out, no room for deviation from
the precise order of things. He can fit into that. However, if
the environment changes, he gets very upset and angry. He can't
handle disagreements with his opinions, tries to defend himself
(no need in normal discussion not about a person) by issuing a
series of personal insults directed at his perceived "accuser."

Even MORE ironic that I have never addressed you (or anyone) as
the "accuser"...that would be a LennieTerm. One that helps to
establish "victim status"

more Steve evasion, and another lie you have called me on accusing you

There is, nor has there ever been, a SINGLE "correct" way of
doing things in amateur radio.

There's been ONE constant in Amatuer Radio...

The license.

then why don't and why have you never treated other license holder with
any respect?

even if I granted you abuse of Lenn on that issue it doesn't explian
your treatment of Myself of Todd and of Brain



The one you don't have...The one you CAN'T get.

More Libel Steve the second half of the statement is liekly not true
and you should know it is likely not true



Amateur radio is NOT a military...(SNIP)

Your reality is slipping again, Lennie...

no he is trying to guess at the nature of your twisted mind

You really stretch to make these up, don't you..?!?!

not at all you seem to act like a drill sgt (whatever the fool marines
call the army calls em that), and expect the rest of us are going to
fall in

sexual inuendo cut


But, the old rank-status-privilege class consciousness of the
old six-class license system suits the ordered, disciplined
military psyche.

You keep mentioning "military psyche" along with your 1950's-era
radio stories, Lennie...

yes he does. your point?


It doesn't take an LMHSW to figure you out...

More big snip.

Radio is radio.

No, it's not. Not in the APPLICATION.

Radio is NOT radio Stevie? my, my you do need your meds


This forum is about AMATEUR RADIO...Not Army, or PLMRS, or GMRS,
etc etc etc.

then why don't you write about Amateur Radio once and awhile


Big snip.

One MUST look at what other radio services are doing. Firstly,
amateurs must co-exist in the EM spectrum with all other radio
services.

We must co-exist in that we do not cause any disruption of service
to OTHER radio services. What goes on inside those band edges is a
whole different story.

IOW we should ignore the technolgies around us and focus on what? Morse
Coded OOK CW?


Secondly, other radio services, having (usually)
more flexibility in mode type use, can offer insight into
possible new methods of communications.

But...but...but...LENNIE!

YOU are the one who keeps yelling "IT'S JUST A HOBBY!"

Where does the FUN of operating radios that are software defined
and require almost NO human interaction to make work go...?!?!

I on't particular want to work that hard just to make the RADIO go, Id
rather spend my time and effort dealing with people at the other end


Thirdly, closing off
minds to what happens elsewhere and claiming it is "for the
good of amateur radio" is a simple cop-out, an excuse NOT to
learn, investigate, to enquire about new things, new
possibilities; it's a rationale for being LAZY.

Lennie...YOU keep repeating that threadbare and untruthful rant
over and over, and it's no more true today than when you first sprout
it.

you operate that way, Jim N2EY is politer about but operates that way



another stevie forgery

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:

Just like you harrangue Dave Heil over his service in the State
Department (all of it fact-based and verifyable), I shant give you the
pleasure. You can go ahead and insist "it didn't happen" based upon my
refusal to tell you the details, if you care to, but ti still doesn't
make it any less factual.

Yet Steve makes demands of a like nature for the express purpose of
harranguing others. Hmmmm?

wrote:
From: an old friend on Jul 29, 10:07 am


K4YZ wrote:

b.b. wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

Snarly Stebie doesn't do much else in this newsgroup but
boast generalities of a non-specific nature while generally
insulting everyone who doesn't agree with him.


Snarly Stebie's version of "truth" is whatever he wants to
claim on any particular day. He has NO references on any of
it. Some examples:

Do you mean something like your own claims that you've had a several
decades interest in amateur radio and the one about getting the "Extra
right out of the box" and your subsequent statements about having no
interest in obtaining an amateur radio license?


True! Google archives have the proof in them, in thousands of
personal-insult messages generated by Stebie...with only a few
(perhaps a dozen at most) which are actual discussions devoid
of personal attacks at somebody.

Watch it, Leonard. That sword cuts two ways!



That would disturb Stebie's fantasy. He wants the nicely-ordered
military-style discipline he is no longer a part of...one where
everything is explained and laid-out, no room for deviation from
the precise order of things. He can fit into that. However, if
the environment changes, he gets very upset and angry. He can't
handle disagreements with his opinions, tries to defend himself
(no need in normal discussion not about a person) by issuing a
series of personal insults directed at his perceived "accuser."

Wow! That must seem like something straight from your past, Len. You
don't handle disagreements with your positions and you defend yourself
in a series of personal insults, directed at your perceived "accuser".
In fact, a fitting profile of your likely actions was put together by N2EY.

There is, nor has there ever been, a SINGLE "correct" way of
doing things in amateur radio. Amateur radio is NOT a military
branch and the ARRL is NOT a directive-issuing "headquarters" (no
matter what some like to believe).

Congrats. That's a familiar and masterful statement of the obvious.

Any "need" to hold tradition
tight and fast, to "work" stations in a particular mode (such as
radiotelegraphy) is purely personal perception.

I don't know how you operate your amateur radio station, Len, but I
don't use tradition in working other stations. If a station I want to
work is using CW, I use the same mode to QSO him. If he's using SSB, I
use that mode. If he is using FM, I use that mode. Your own personal
perception seems skewed by your lack of amateur radio experience.

Hewing to one
particular way of doing things is NOT indicative of some kind of
expertise in anything.

Interesting, Leonard. So, just because others use CW to call a station
CQing in that mode, is no reason that you'd have to do so. You could,
for example, use FM. That would certainly show us your level of expertise.

But, the old rank-status-privilege class consciousness of the
old six-class license system suits the ordered, disciplined
military psyche. One "works up through the ranks" (in some
folks' perception) even though the hobby is just a hobby, not a
job, not a branch of the military, not part of a union or craft
or guild.

Nope. There's no union, craft or guild. Then again, nobody has claimed
anything like that. You might see similarities between the six class
licensing system and the new three-tiered system. You'd still have to
work your way through the ranks and you'd still receive additional
operating privileges as you went through those ranks.

It CAN be a fun hobby, an interesting personal
recreation,

....or so you've been told.

... but having to march in ranks to some saber-rattling
control freak's idea of what constitutes "real" ham radio is
NOT a recreation. Such is more like a variant of sado-
masochism.

Maybe amateur radio just isn't for you.

Radio is radio.

Masterful.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: an old friend on Jul 29, 10:07 am


K4YZ wrote:

b.b. wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

Snarly Stebie doesn't do much else in this newsgroup but
boast generalities of a non-specific nature while generally
insulting everyone who doesn't agree with him.


Snarly Stebie's version of "truth" is whatever he wants to
claim on any particular day. He has NO references on any of
it. Some examples:

Do you mean something like your own claims that you've had a several
decades interest in amateur radio and the one about getting the "Extra
right out of the box" and your subsequent statements about having no
interest in obtaining an amateur radio license?


True! Google archives have the proof in them, in thousands of
personal-insult messages generated by Stebie...with only a few
(perhaps a dozen at most) which are actual discussions devoid
of personal attacks at somebody.

Watch it, Leonard. That sword cuts two ways!



That would disturb Stebie's fantasy. He wants the nicely-ordered
military-style discipline he is no longer a part of...one where
everything is explained and laid-out, no room for deviation from
the precise order of things. He can fit into that. However, if
the environment changes, he gets very upset and angry. He can't
handle disagreements with his opinions, tries to defend himself
(no need in normal discussion not about a person) by issuing a
series of personal insults directed at his perceived "accuser."

Wow! That must seem like something straight from your past, Len. You
don't handle disagreements with your positions and you defend yourself
in a series of personal insults, directed at your perceived "accuser".
In fact, a fitting profile of your likely actions was put together by N2EY.

break
There is, nor has there ever been, a SINGLE "correct" way of
doing things in amateur radio. Amateur radio is NOT a military
branch and the ARRL is NOT a directive-issuing "headquarters" (no
matter what some like to believe).


Congrats. That's a familiar and masterful statement of the obvious.

realy you find it obvous and yet stevie doesn't


Any "need" to hold tradition
tight and fast, to "work" stations in a particular mode (such as
radiotelegraphy) is purely personal perception.

I don't know how you operate your amateur radio station, Len, but I
don't use tradition in working other stations. If a station I want to
work is using CW, I use the same mode to QSO him. If he's using SSB, I
use that mode. If he is using FM, I use that mode. Your own personal
perception seems skewed by your lack of amateur radio experience.

Hewing to one
particular way of doing things is NOT indicative of some kind of
expertise in anything.

Interesting, Leonard. So, just because others use CW to call a station
CQing in that mode, is no reason that you'd have to do so. You could,
for example, use FM. That would certainly show us your level of expertise.

But, the old rank-status-privilege class consciousness of the
old six-class license system suits the ordered, disciplined
military psyche. One "works up through the ranks" (in some
folks' perception) even though the hobby is just a hobby, not a
job, not a branch of the military, not part of a union or craft
or guild.

Nope. There's no union, craft or guild. Then again, nobody has claimed
anything like that. You might see similarities between the six class
licensing system and the new three-tiered system. You'd still have to
work your way through the ranks and you'd still receive additional
operating privileges as you went through those ranks.

It CAN be a fun hobby, an interesting personal
recreation,

...or so you've been told.


break
... but having to march in ranks to some saber-rattling
control freak's idea of what constitutes "real" ham radio is
NOT a recreation. Such is more like a variant of sado-
masochism.

Maybe amateur radio just isn't for you.

but S&M has little to do real ham radio except in the twisted visions
of many hams

Radio is radio.

Masterful.

Dave K8MN

From: "an old friend" on Mon 1 Aug 2005 09:23


Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: an old friend on Jul 29, 10:07 am
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Snarly Stebie doesn't do much else in this newsgroup but
boast generalities of a non-specific nature while generally
insulting everyone who doesn't agree with him.

Snarly Stebie's version of "truth" is whatever he wants to
claim on any particular day. He has NO references on any of
it. Some examples:

[Judge Heil does a nice bit of SELECTIVE EDITING there in order
to attempt more on-line perfidy...]

Do you mean something like your own claims that you've had a several
decades interest in amateur radio and the one about getting the "Extra
right out of the box" and your subsequent statements about having no
interest in obtaining an amateur radio license?

Mark, the above is consistent with "Heah com' de Judge" Heil
to attempt discrediting anyone disagreeing with his god-like
opinions.

The word "interest" is unquantified and subjective, the subjective
being both emotional and intellectual. But, Heil attempts to
concentrate ALL RADIO into the realm of amateur radio in his
statements that I was (implied) "interested in amateur radio."
He failed to understand that MY INTEREST was in ELECTRONICS
(radio is a subset within that generic grouping) since 1947 but
that was NOT some kind of deep, soul-grabbing, lifetime career
goal to achieve ONLY in licensed amateur radio.

My original "lifetime career goal" was to be an illustrator
(that's an artist who draws/paints things as they are), using
a born aptitude for art/illustration. I began work (for money)
at that prior to military service. However, my military
assignment put me into the 3rd largest U.S. Army HF
Communications Network transmitter station of the 1950s, a 24/7
operation relaying about a quarter million messages a month
over three dozen and more high-power HF transmitters. That plus
a delayed (installation priority of equipment) exposure to
multi-channel microwave radio relay equipment as well as all the
facets of Big Time communications of that era changed my career
goals so that, by 1958, I had changed my major study (and campus)
from Art to electronics engineering...while being employed full
time in southern California aerospace industry. I've retired
from regular hours in that, but still work from time to time
at electronics design engineering. [yes, I've done some
illustration from time to time (for money, of course) just to
keep my hand in that, plus (unpaid) practice, but that is due
to an aptitude and skill in that field]

Now David Heil, Judge of the Lowest Court of Arrogance, wishes
to "sentence" me on some artificial charges of moral perfidy
because I DID NOT BECOME AN AMATEUR *FIRST*! :-) Tsk, his
personal vilification insults (from being disagreed with early
on in here) ORDER me to DO AS HE SAYS I MUST! :-) Tsk, tsk,
I do not have the glorious Time Machine apparently possessed
by James Miccolis to travel back in time to alter my Life
Goals. Further, I have NO WISH to subjugate myself to Heil's
COMMANDS nor his moral edicts on WHAT IS GOOD and WHAT IS NOT
GOOD in anything.

My original goal in THIS NEWSGROUP about seven years ago was
to attempt some influence on ELIMINATING THE MORSE CODE TEST
REQUIREMENT for U.S. amateur radio licenses. What I've
encounterd is an almost KKK-like good-old-boys-club of Mighty
Macho Morsemen who all seem to be control freaks of major
status, ultra-conservative RADIO BIGOTS who stop at nothing to
preserve THEIR PERSONAL DESIRES in federal regulations of a
virtual HOBBY radio activity. These Mighty Macho Morsemen
are guilty of moral perfidy and unbending status-quo-ism in
absolute vilification of ANYONE who does not agree with them.
The MMM denizens of this din of inequity are hypocrites as
well as radio bigots...they are "free" to personally insult
anyone they so choose, yet NONE are free to do the same to
them.

Instead of discussion and debate on regulation ISSUES and
SUBJECTS, we are "treated" to an outpouring of personal
insults, out-of-context quotes, and, in a few cases, outright
falsehood statements by these self-enobled "keepers of (some)
faith" all in the interest of maintaining THEIR elite status
of rank and privilege and long tenure in U.S. amateur radio.

But, these elitist morsemen have ultra-thin computer-modem
"skin" and their "sensitive" emotional states forbid ANY
criticsm of THEM. THEY are sacrosanct, not to be touched
while they freely roam and throw insults at their disagreers
as early barbarians did in subjugating other people in other
lands. ALL MUST SUBJUGATE themselves to THEIR points of view
and MUST NEVER act as they do back at them!

Tsk, tsk. These morsemen do not understand that they are NOT
universally "loved" nor are their opinions "truth" always!
They are delusional in thinking that all those who disagree
with them are "wrong." They are in denial and are frozen
in the antiquity of hobby radio standards and practices.
There is no point in trying to argue the SUBJECT with THEM,
just to bear up under the onslaught of personal denigrations
they hurl at disagreers. The "radio sport" in HERE thus
becomes the usual mud-slinging Flame War unfortunately
common to all of USENET and any Internet message forum.

So, Judge Heil "conveniently forgets" certain past statements,
pulls out others OUT of context, and thus manufactures
some Moral Perfidy commited by a disagreing individual. He
cannot argue the SUBJECT...all he can do is attempt insult
on individuals to win "message points." He wins NOTHING.

Stebie Robeson is another, though he appears so far gone in
his visible-syndrome psychosis and reality-fantasy
confusion that he be beyond redemption, certainly beyond
discussion or debate.

Fortunately there is WT Docket 05-235 before the Commission
and the Comments so far (184 as of mid-Sunday) are running
about 3:1 in favor of dropping the morse code test for an
amateur radio license. This will be the "equalizer" to put
the amateur radio "servicemen" almost on the same playing
field (or battleground as many seem to think) and there may
be some break in the rancor and bile from the elitist
ultra-conservative status-quo-ists.

dit bah