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K4YZ August 3rd 05 07:28 AM

A Sample Of The Supporters Pro-No-Code WT 05-235
 
Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.

Proceeding: 05-235 Type Code: CO
Date Received/Adopted: 08/02/05 Date Released/Denied:
Document Type: COMMENT Total Pages: 1
File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number:
Filed on Behalf of: John Q. Public
Filed By:
Attorney/Author Name: Document Date:
Complete Mailing Address:
101 main street

Houston, TX 77043
Brief Comment

i glad u guys got red of the morris cod. i nevir liked morris da kat
either. Thanc now i kan use dat raydeo I stoles from dat kar at da
hamfeast.


K4YZ August 3rd 05 07:31 AM


K4YZ wrote:
Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.


And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!

Sheesh!

Steve, K4YZ


K4YZ August 3rd 05 08:02 AM


K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.


And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!

Sheesh!


Oooops...forgot to mention, The last footnote in Lennie's
comments:

"Any change in the license examination regulations will primarily
affect license applicants. That does not directly affect those already
licensed and have already passed any test given under older
regulations...despite the displayed spite in a few Comments who had
worked hard to pass the morse code tests and are disturbed that
applicants in the future might not have to do the same. The Commission
is in no way responsible to hold thigs in perpetuity or to insure
feeding of emotional sustanance to those already licensed.

Of course his comments were laced with the usual amount of
"mythology", "tribal" and other insulting inferences that we have
become used to here.

The biggest lie being his suggestion on page 1 that he was a
potential Amateur Radio licensee.

Too bad there's not a method for filing charges of perjury on
filings.

Steve, K4YZ


Tony Steen August 3rd 05 03:06 PM

It's a plant from a fanatic CW'er. He writes like he takes code over the
air waves.

"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...
Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.

Proceeding: 05-235 Type Code: CO
Date Received/Adopted: 08/02/05 Date Released/Denied:
Document Type: COMMENT Total Pages: 1
File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number:
Filed on Behalf of: John Q. Public
Filed By:
Attorney/Author Name: Document Date:
Complete Mailing Address:
101 main street

Houston, TX 77043
Brief Comment

i glad u guys got red of the morris cod. i nevir liked morris da kat
either. Thanc now i kan use dat raydeo I stoles from dat kar at da
hamfeast.




an_old_friend August 3rd 05 06:01 PM


K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.


realy tlaking to yourself today ole boy


And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!


of course he does a bio is part of establish ones bono fides

Sheesh!


Oooops...forgot to mention, The last footnote in Lennie's
comments:

"Any change in the license examination regulations will primarily
affect license applicants. That does not directly affect those already
licensed and have already passed any test given under older
regulations...despite the displayed spite in a few Comments who had
worked hard to pass the morse code tests and are disturbed that
applicants in the future might not have to do the same. The Commission
is in no way responsible to hold thigs in perpetuity or to insure
feeding of emotional sustanance to those already licensed.

Of course his comments were laced with the usual amount of
"mythology", "tribal" and other insulting inferences that we have
become used to here.

The biggest lie being his suggestion on page 1 that he was a
potential Amateur Radio licensee.

Too bad there's not a method for filing charges of perjury on
filings.


more libel stevie and more stupidity on your part


Steve, K4YZ



Jim Hampton August 3rd 05 11:23 PM

I sure hope you are kidding. If this is real ..... well, it staggers the
imagination.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



an old friend August 4th 05 01:01 AM


Jim Hampton wrote:
I sure hope you are kidding. If this is real ..... well, it staggers the
imagination.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


I doubt it but then I suspect that He or Dave of another ProCoder
submitted that coment, simliar stuff happen in the last round's NPRM


b.b. August 6th 05 03:52 PM


K4YZ wrote:
Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.

Proceeding: 05-235 Type Code: CO
Date Received/Adopted: 08/02/05 Date Released/Denied:
Document Type: COMMENT Total Pages: 1
File Number/Community: DA/FCC Number:
Filed on Behalf of: John Q. Public
Filed By:
Attorney/Author Name: Document Date:
Complete Mailing Address:
101 main street

Houston, TX 77043
Brief Comment

i glad u guys got red of the morris cod. i nevir liked morris da kat
either. Thanc now i kan use dat raydeo I stoles from dat kar at da
hamfeast.


Ho, hum. Was his name "DeShawn?"


b.b. August 6th 05 03:53 PM


K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.


And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!

Sheesh!

Steve, K4YZ


Yawn.


K4YZ August 6th 05 04:03 PM


an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.


realy tlaking to yourself today ole boy


And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!


of course he does a bio is part of establish ones bono fides


No, it doesn't.

Not a one of the other comments I read are so obviously
grandstanding.

Sheesh!


Oooops...forgot to mention, The last footnote in Lennie's
comments:

"Any change in the license examination regulations will primarily
affect license applicants. That does not directly affect those already
licensed and have already passed any test given under older
regulations...despite the displayed spite in a few Comments who had
worked hard to pass the morse code tests and are disturbed that
applicants in the future might not have to do the same. The Commission
is in no way responsible to hold thigs in perpetuity or to insure
feeding of emotional sustanance to those already licensed.

Of course his comments were laced with the usual amount of
"mythology", "tribal" and other insulting inferences that we have
become used to here.

The biggest lie being his suggestion on page 1 that he was a
potential Amateur Radio licensee.

Too bad there's not a method for filing charges of perjury on
filings.


more libel stevie and more stupidity on your part


What libel?

I quoted Lennie's comments word-for-word, Markie...Go read them
yourself.

Furthermore, Lennie has, on numerous occassions in this forum,
stated that he has no intention of getting an Amateur Radio license,
yet he says just the opposite to the FCC in his opening comments.

So one way or the other he lied. Again.

So again I ask you..."what libel"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ


b.b. August 6th 05 04:03 PM


K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.


And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!

Sheesh!


Oooops...forgot to mention, The last footnote in Lennie's
comments:

"Any change in the license examination regulations will primarily
affect license applicants. That does not directly affect those already
licensed and have already passed any test given under older
regulations...despite the displayed spite in a few Comments who had
worked hard to pass the morse code tests and are disturbed that
applicants in the future might not have to do the same. The Commission
is in no way responsible to hold thigs in perpetuity or to insure
feeding of emotional sustanance to those already licensed.


Steve, you might want to end a direct quote with quotation marks so
that we can separate Len's comments from your rantings.

In any event, Len is correct.

Of course his comments were laced with the usual amount of
"mythology", "tribal" and other insulting inferences that we have
become used to here.


Mythology??? Did he mention seven hostile actions?

The biggest lie being his suggestion on page 1 that he was a
potential Amateur Radio licensee.


Or being "A" NCOIC of a MARS station in Okinawa.

Did he say that "MARS IS Amateur Radio!" ?

Too bad there's not a method for filing charges of perjury on
filings.

Steve, K4YZ


You could always start proceedings to impeach Len. Do you still have
the dress?


K4YZ August 6th 05 04:05 PM


an old friend wrote:
Jim Hampton wrote:
I sure hope you are kidding. If this is real ..... well, it staggers the
imagination.


'fraid so, Jim...Check the header I quoted in the ECFS Comments.

I doubt it but then I suspect that He or Dave of another ProCoder
submitted that coment, simliar stuff happen in the last round's NPRM.


Uh huh...Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight .

Steve, K4YZ


b.b. August 6th 05 04:06 PM


an old friend wrote:
Jim Hampton wrote:
I sure hope you are kidding. If this is real ..... well, it staggers the
imagination.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


I doubt it but then I suspect that He or Dave of another ProCoder
submitted that coment, simliar stuff happen in the last round's NPRM


It looks like the work of a disgruntled PCTA Extra, such as
Bruce/WA8ULX.

That Steve would be sucked in by it's idiotic simplicity speaks
volumes.


John August 6th 05 04:19 PM



b.b. wrote:
an old friend wrote:

Jim Hampton wrote:

I sure hope you are kidding. If this is real ..... well, it staggers the
imagination.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


I doubt it but then I suspect that He or Dave of another ProCoder
submitted that coment, simliar stuff happen in the last round's NPRM



It looks like the work of a disgruntled PCTA Extra, such as
Bruce/WA8ULX.

That Steve would be sucked in by it's idiotic simplicity speaks
volumes.

It was an admitted fake. Discussed on the QRZ forum - which makes this
group seem tame.
John


an old friend August 6th 05 06:09 PM


b.b. wrote:
an old friend wrote:
Jim Hampton wrote:
I sure hope you are kidding. If this is real ..... well, it staggers the
imagination.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


I doubt it but then I suspect that He or Dave of another ProCoder
submitted that coment, simliar stuff happen in the last round's NPRM


It looks like the work of a disgruntled PCTA Extra, such as
Bruce/WA8ULX.

That Steve would be sucked in by it's idiotic simplicity speaks
volumes.


It is called "willing suspenion of Disbelief" stevie so wants to
believe that is the general sort of person that opposes code testing
and so he jumps at it

It is sad realy but the FCC will see right though it


Dave Heil August 6th 05 08:03 PM

b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.


And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!

Sheesh!

Steve, K4YZ



Yawn.


I'm with you, "bb". That was my reaction to reading Leonard's comments.

Dave K8MN


[email protected] August 6th 05 09:27 PM

From: "b.b." on Sat 6 Aug 2005 08:03

K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.

And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!

Sheesh!


Oooops...forgot to mention, The last footnote in Lennie's
comments:

"Any change in the license examination regulations will primarily
affect license applicants. That does not directly affect those already
licensed and have already passed any test given under older
regulations...despite the displayed spite in a few Comments who had
worked hard to pass the morse code tests and are disturbed that
applicants in the future might not have to do the same. The Commission
is in no way responsible to hold thigs in perpetuity or to insure
feeding of emotional sustanance to those already licensed.


Steve, you might want to end a direct quote with quotation marks so
that we can separate Len's comments from your rantings.


Stebie likes to plagiarize...and try to get away with it...:-)

But, in truth, he only STARTED the quote with quote marks...but
FAILED to end with it.

In any event, Len is correct.


Quite.

Of course his comments were laced with the usual amount of
"mythology", "tribal" and other insulting inferences that we have
become used to here.


Mythology??? Did he mention seven hostile actions?


Stebie IMPLIED his "participation" in those "seven hostile
actions" yet did NOT GET SPECIFIC as to date or location of
HIS actual participation.

The "morse myths" are the stuff of legend and abound among
the really Olde-Tymers who repeat the stories and tales of
the Older Olde-Tymers and their Mighty Morse Machines. :-)

The biggest lie being his suggestion on page 1 that he was a
potential Amateur Radio licensee.


Or being "A" NCOIC of a MARS station in Okinawa.

Did he say that "MARS IS Amateur Radio!" ?


Tsk, tsk, tsk. ANYONE is a POTENTIAL AMATEUR licensee. I've
been a COMMERCIAL licensee since 1956...and IN the HF comms
activity before AND after that year...AND working IN the
electronics industry of the southern California Aerospace
"community" from 1956 onwards...AND as a hobbyist in radio
and electronics since 1947 (non-transmitting electronics
and radio do NOT need any license).

As for ACTUAL, 24/7 HF communications, in the military, I
have that documented at:

http://kauko.hallikainen.org/history/equipment/

in three separate papers, each with illustrations from military
or personal sources.

The point in those was to show what Big Time HF Communications
WERE back a half century ago. There was NO manual or automatic
morse code mode employed in those big 24/7 communications networks
of the United States military way back then. None has been used
since for the vast majority of communications that have taken
place.

Too bad there's not a method for filing charges of perjury on
filings.

Steve, K4YZ


You could always start proceedings to impeach Len. Do you still have
the dress?


My attorney and I will see him in civil court. The Superior Court
judges need the entertainment! :-)

bar non



b.b. August 6th 05 10:33 PM


Dave Heil wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.

And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!

Sheesh!

Steve, K4YZ



Yawn.


I'm with you, "bb".


But I've never worked out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters.

That was my reaction to reading Leonard's comments.

Dave K8MN


The part Steve tried to quote looked good to me, too.


an old friend August 6th 05 10:45 PM


K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.


realy tlaking to yourself today ole boy


And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!


of course he does a bio is part of establish ones bono fides


No, it doesn't.


sure does

Not a one of the other comments I read are so obviously
grandstanding.


again you are not empowered as a style cop


Sheesh!

Oooops...forgot to mention, The last footnote in Lennie's
comments:

"Any change in the license examination regulations will primarily
affect license applicants. That does not directly affect those already
licensed and have already passed any test given under older
regulations...despite the displayed spite in a few Comments who had
worked hard to pass the morse code tests and are disturbed that
applicants in the future might not have to do the same. The Commission
is in no way responsible to hold thigs in perpetuity or to insure
feeding of emotional sustanance to those already licensed.

Of course his comments were laced with the usual amount of
"mythology", "tribal" and other insulting inferences that we have
become used to here.

The biggest lie being his suggestion on page 1 that he was a
potential Amateur Radio licensee.

Too bad there's not a method for filing charges of perjury on
filings.


more libel stevie and more stupidity on your part


What libel?


accusing someone of perjury is libel


I quoted Lennie's comments word-for-word, Markie...Go read them
yourself.

Furthermore, Lennie has, on numerous occassions in this forum,
stated that he has no intention of getting an Amateur Radio license,
yet he says just the opposite to the FCC in his opening comments.


not as I recall the only way you say that is take his statements of
context, which is nothing new for you


So one way or the other he lied. Again.


only in your twisted mind

So again I ask you..."what libel"...?!?!


accsuing someone of perjury in a document not even under oath is libel
stevie

Even if he is lying he can't comit perjury, he has to be under oath for
that

so you remarks are false on the face of them, and therefore you have no
defense against a chrage of libel for them

Steve, K4YZ



K4YZ August 7th 05 02:14 PM


b.b. wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.

And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!

Sheesh!

Steve, K4YZ


Yawn.


I'm with you, "bb".


But I've never worked out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters.


No...you just bootleggted from a UN-controlled zone without proper
authority.

What Dave did was legal...What YOU did wasn't.

Steve, K4YZ


b.b. August 7th 05 03:12 PM


K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.

And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!

Sheesh!

Steve, K4YZ


Yawn.

I'm with you, "bb".


But I've never worked out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters.


No...you just bootleggted from a UN-controlled zone without proper
authority.

What Dave did was legal...What YOU did wasn't.

Steve, K4YZ


That's merely your interpretation. Given your propensity for lying,
and not having seen you in Somalia for you to make such a judgement,
I'm highly suspicious of your statements. In fact, I'd say you are
lying. Nothing new there.


b.b. August 9th 05 01:00 AM


wrote:
From: "b.b." on Sat 6 Aug 2005 08:03

K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.

And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!

Sheesh!

Oooops...forgot to mention, The last footnote in Lennie's
comments:

"Any change in the license examination regulations will primarily
affect license applicants. That does not directly affect those already
licensed and have already passed any test given under older
regulations...despite the displayed spite in a few Comments who had
worked hard to pass the morse code tests and are disturbed that
applicants in the future might not have to do the same. The Commission
is in no way responsible to hold thigs in perpetuity or to insure
feeding of emotional sustanance to those already licensed.


Steve, you might want to end a direct quote with quotation marks so
that we can separate Len's comments from your rantings.


Stebie likes to plagiarize...and try to get away with it...:-)

But, in truth, he only STARTED the quote with quote marks...but
FAILED to end with it.


Steve has one failure after another.

In any event, Len is correct.


Quite.


Fine.

Of course his comments were laced with the usual amount of
"mythology", "tribal" and other insulting inferences that we have
become used to here.


Mythology??? Did he mention seven hostile actions?


Stebie IMPLIED his "participation" in those "seven hostile
actions" yet did NOT GET SPECIFIC as to date or location of
HIS actual participation.


Nor will he. The "Stolen Valor" people are on the watch. They'll
pounce the moment he spouts any more lies.

The "morse myths" are the stuff of legend and abound among
the really Olde-Tymers who repeat the stories and tales of
the Older Olde-Tymers and their Mighty Morse Machines. :-)


I especially like Jim's stories about amateur radio during WWII.

The biggest lie being his suggestion on page 1 that he was a
potential Amateur Radio licensee.


Or being "A" NCOIC of a MARS station in Okinawa.

Did he say that "MARS IS Amateur Radio!" ?


Tsk, tsk, tsk. ANYONE is a POTENTIAL AMATEUR licensee. I've
been a COMMERCIAL licensee since 1956...and IN the HF comms
activity before AND after that year...AND working IN the
electronics industry of the southern California Aerospace
"community" from 1956 onwards...AND as a hobbyist in radio
and electronics since 1947 (non-transmitting electronics
and radio do NOT need any license).


Even some transmitting devices require no license.

As for ACTUAL, 24/7 HF communications, in the military, I
have that documented at:

http://kauko.hallikainen.org/history/equipment/

in three separate papers, each with illustrations from military
or personal sources.

The point in those was to show what Big Time HF Communications
WERE back a half century ago. There was NO manual or automatic
morse code mode employed in those big 24/7 communications networks
of the United States military way back then. None has been used
since for the vast majority of communications that have taken
place.


Stop it, stop it!!!

You are destroying th[i]er world.

Too bad there's not a method for filing charges of perjury on
filings.

Steve, K4YZ


You could always start proceedings to impeach Len. Do you still have
the dress?


My attorney and I will see him in civil court. The Superior Court
judges need the entertainment! :-)


I can see him standing there in his cast-off flight suit and campaign
hat akilter.

bar non



b.b. August 9th 05 01:07 AM


an old friend wrote:
b.b. wrote:
an old friend wrote:
Jim Hampton wrote:
I sure hope you are kidding. If this is real ..... well, it staggers the
imagination.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

I doubt it but then I suspect that He or Dave of another ProCoder
submitted that coment, simliar stuff happen in the last round's NPRM


It looks like the work of a disgruntled PCTA Extra, such as
Bruce/WA8ULX.

That Steve would be sucked in by it's idiotic simplicity speaks
volumes.


It is called "willing suspenion of Disbelief" stevie so wants to
believe that is the general sort of person that opposes code testing
and so he jumps at it

It is sad realy but the FCC will see right though it


Most of these not-so old-timers have lost it.

Just like Dave can't understand that "OSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOS" just might be
a distress call. I pity the units that he supposedly served.


an_old_friend August 9th 05 03:31 AM


K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.

And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!

Sheesh!

Steve, K4YZ


Yawn.

I'm with you, "bb".


But I've never worked out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters.



No...you just bootleggted from a UN-controlled zone without proper
authority.

What Dave did was legal...What YOU did wasn't.


when did you become Lord High Comissioner of the ITU?


Steve, K4YZ



an_old_friend August 9th 05 03:37 AM


b.b. wrote:
an old friend wrote:
b.b. wrote:
an old friend wrote:
Jim Hampton wrote:
I sure hope you are kidding. If this is real ..... well, it staggers the
imagination.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

I doubt it but then I suspect that He or Dave of another ProCoder
submitted that coment, simliar stuff happen in the last round's NPRM

It looks like the work of a disgruntled PCTA Extra, such as
Bruce/WA8ULX.

That Steve would be sucked in by it's idiotic simplicity speaks
volumes.


It is called "willing suspenion of Disbelief" stevie so wants to
believe that is the general sort of person that opposes code testing
and so he jumps at it

It is sad realy but the FCC will see right though it


Most of these not-so old-timers have lost it.

Just like Dave can't understand that "OSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOS" just might be
a distress call. I pity the units that he supposedly served.


wonder what they do with transmision "ayday...ayday
....ayday...b9wdy...lling...ayday" the dots being static, something liek
sorry ole boy we migh help you when you fix your radio

Indeed If truely stuck and needing help but with a big batery Id just
send ...---...--- and hope for the best at interavals as long that
battery would still make sparks but Dave and prehaps a good many other
MMM would not help me


K4YZ August 9th 05 02:44 PM


b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.

And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!

Sheesh!

Steve, K4YZ


Yawn.

I'm with you, "bb".

But I've never worked out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters.


No...you just bootlegged from a UN-controlled zone without proper
authority.

What Dave did was legal...What YOU did wasn't.

Steve, K4YZ


That's merely your interpretation.


And the matter of regulations for foreces operating under UN
authority on foreign soil.

Given your propensity for lying...(SNIP)


You mean my propensity for rubbing YOUR nose in YOUR lies,
Brain...

and not having seen you in Somalia for you to make such a judgement,
I'm highly suspicious of your statements.


What's to be suspicious of?

YOU stated you operated from Somalia. (Your words)

YOU stated your "commander" gave you permission to do so. (Your
words)

Unless your "commander" was appointed by appropriate UN authority
to do so, that "permission" was inappropriately given.

In short...You were illegal.

Based upon YOUR words....

In fact, I'd say you are lying.


Then if I am "lying", it's based upon bogus information YOU
provided.

Nothing new there.


Now THAT would be correct...Nothing new there when it comes to
bogus information from Brian P. Burke.

Steve, K4YZ


K4YZ August 9th 05 02:45 PM


b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.

And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!

Sheesh!

Steve, K4YZ


Yawn.

I'm with you, "bb".

But I've never worked out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters.


No...you just bootlegged from a UN-controlled zone without proper
authority.

What Dave did was legal...What YOU did wasn't.

Steve, K4YZ


That's merely your interpretation.


And the matter of regulations for foreces operating under UN
authority on foreign soil.

Given your propensity for lying...(SNIP)


You mean my propensity for rubbing YOUR nose in YOUR lies,
Brain...

and not having seen you in Somalia for you to make such a judgement,
I'm highly suspicious of your statements.


What's to be suspicious of?

YOU stated you operated from Somalia. (Your words)

YOU stated your "commander" gave you permission to do so. (Your
words)

Unless your "commander" was appointed by appropriate UN authority
to do so, that "permission" was inappropriately given.

In short...You were illegal.

Based upon YOUR words....

In fact, I'd say you are lying.


Then if I am "lying", it's based upon bogus information YOU
provided.

Nothing new there.


Now THAT would be correct...Nothing new there when it comes to
bogus information from Brian P. Burke.

Steve, K4YZ


b.b. August 9th 05 05:31 PM


K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

Yes, some idiot really sent this to the FCC.

And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!

Sheesh!

Steve, K4YZ


Yawn.

I'm with you, "bb".

But I've never worked out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters.

No...you just bootlegged from a UN-controlled zone without proper
authority.

What Dave did was legal...What YOU did wasn't.

Steve, K4YZ


That's merely your interpretation.


And the matter of regulations for foreces operating under UN
authority on foreign soil.


You would have to speak to the feces under UN control. I wasn't part
of that game.

Given your propensity for lying...(SNIP)


You mean my propensity for rubbing YOUR nose in YOUR lies,
Brain...


No. I said your propensity for lying.

and not having seen you in Somalia for you to make such a judgement,
I'm highly suspicious of your statements.


What's to be suspicious of?


You have no first hand knowledge of the situation, yet you make
judgements.

Face it, Steve, you were a non-participant, so your opinion just
doesn't matter (hi Len).

YOU stated you operated from Somalia. (Your words)

YOU stated your "commander" gave you permission to do so. (Your
words)

Unless your "commander" was appointed by appropriate UN authority
to do so, that "permission" was inappropriately given.


My commander was appointed my the first Bush president. He does not
work for the UN. BTW, neither does his son.

In short...You were illegal.

Based upon YOUR words....


In short, you've got your head up your rectum. You must like the
view...

In fact, I'd say you are lying.


Then if I am "lying", it's based upon bogus information YOU
provided.


You assume that my unit was under UN control. That's where you went
wrong.

Nothing new there.


Now THAT would be correct...Nothing new there when it comes to
bogus information from Brian P. Burke.

Steve, K4YZ


Your continued ignorance of the facts is what's not new.


[email protected] August 10th 05 01:29 AM

From: b.b. on Aug 9, 9:31 am

K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:



And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!


Sheesh!


[poor Stebie, still resentful, jealous, and angry...]


But I've never worked out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters.


No...you just bootlegged from a UN-controlled zone without proper
authority.


What Dave did was legal...What YOU did wasn't.


That's merely your interpretation.


[mostly his imagination following the lead of his spiteful nature]


And the matter of regulations for foreces operating under UN
authority on foreign soil.


You would have to speak to the feces under UN control. I wasn't part
of that game.


Sigh...Stebie squeaks like he IS the UN. He had too many cups
of 'Kofi.' :-)


Given your propensity for lying...(SNIP)


You mean my propensity for rubbing YOUR nose in YOUR lies,
Brain...


No. I said your propensity for lying.


Stebie has all the symptoms of a congenital sociopath.


and not having seen you in Somalia for you to make such a judgement,
I'm highly suspicious of your statements.


What's to be suspicious of?


You have no first hand knowledge of the situation, yet you make
judgements.

Face it, Steve, you were a non-participant, so your opinion just
doesn't matter (hi Len).


Stebie has presented NO proof, references, or anything else
that he was ever in any of his claimed "seven hostile actions"
during any part of his 18 years in the USMC.


YOU stated you operated from Somalia. (Your words)


YOU stated your "commander" gave you permission to do so. (Your
words)


Unless your "commander" was appointed by appropriate UN authority
to do so, that "permission" was inappropriately given.


My commander was appointed my the first Bush president. He does not
work for the UN. BTW, neither does his son.


Stebie must think he is part of Navy JAG...:-)


In short...You were illegal.


Based upon YOUR words....


In short, you've got your head up your rectum. You must like the
view...


That's his natural element...


In fact, I'd say you are lying.


Then if I am "lying", it's based upon bogus information YOU
provided.


You assume that my unit was under UN control. That's where you went
wrong.


Tsk. Stebie "went wrong" long before he came in here...:-)



Now THAT would be correct...Nothing new there when it comes to
bogus information from Brian P. Burke.


Your continued ignorance of the facts is what's not new.


Stebie's just on the road to going completely nuts. shrug


not new



b.b. August 10th 05 04:01 AM


wrote:
From: b.b. on Aug 9, 9:31 am

K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
b.b. wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
K4YZ wrote:



And speaking of idiots, I see Lennie didn't get past the first of
his five pages of comments without lying or mentioning his 1950's era
Army career!


Sheesh!


[poor Stebie, still resentful, jealous, and angry...]


His problem.

But I've never worked out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters.


No...you just bootlegged from a UN-controlled zone without proper
authority.


What Dave did was legal...What YOU did wasn't.


That's merely your interpretation.


[mostly his imagination following the lead of his spiteful nature]


His problem.

And the matter of regulations for foreces operating under UN
authority on foreign soil.


You would have to speak to the feces under UN control. I wasn't part
of that game.


Sigh...Stebie squeaks like he IS the UN. He had too many cups
of 'Kofi.' :-)


His problem.

Given your propensity for lying...(SNIP)


You mean my propensity for rubbing YOUR nose in YOUR lies,
Brain...


No. I said your propensity for lying.


Stebie has all the symptoms of a congenital sociopath.


His problem.

and not having seen you in Somalia for you to make such a judgement,
I'm highly suspicious of your statements.


What's to be suspicious of?


You have no first hand knowledge of the situation, yet you make
judgements.

Face it, Steve, you were a non-participant, so your opinion just
doesn't matter (hi Len).


Stebie has presented NO proof, references, or anything else
that he was ever in any of his claimed "seven hostile actions"
during any part of his 18 years in the USMC.


He can't. The Stolen Valor people are waiting to pounce on this fake
hero.

Definitely his problem.

YOU stated you operated from Somalia. (Your words)


YOU stated your "commander" gave you permission to do so. (Your
words)


Unless your "commander" was appointed by appropriate UN authority
to do so, that "permission" was inappropriately given.


My commander was appointed my the first Bush president. He does not
work for the UN. BTW, neither does his son.


Stebie must think he is part of Navy JAG...:-)


His problem.

In short...You were illegal.


Based upon YOUR words....


In short, you've got your head up your rectum. You must like the
view...


That's his natural element...


And his problem.

In fact, I'd say you are lying.


Then if I am "lying", it's based upon bogus information YOU
provided.


You assume that my unit was under UN control. That's where you went
wrong.


Tsk. Stebie "went wrong" long before he came in here...:-)


Wish the VA would take care of this problem; get it off the streets.

Now THAT would be correct...Nothing new there when it comes to
bogus information from Brian P. Burke.


Your continued ignorance of the facts is what's not new.


Stebie's just on the road to going completely nuts. shrug


not new


He arrived at that station a long time ago.


an_old_friend August 11th 05 02:32 AM

My own comments

To the persons reading comments for the FCC greetings,
With regard to main body of the NPRM I am a favor of dropping all code
tests at once, however there are a few points concerning related
matters I wish to discuss and respect insist that FCC made something on
these points clear when the R&O is issued.

The privileges of the entry class, Technician, after this action are
frankly unclear to me. As perhaps one of the few members of that class
making comments it is a subject near and dear to my heart. It is also
a question vital to the future of the ARS, and thus in some degree the
safety and future of the USA.

I believe the privileges should be what was known as Before the 1998
NPRM as Tech plus, this si because I have frankly observed that many
new Techs tend to get struck on FM repeaters, a fine mode but hard to
break out of, and being hard to break out tends to depress the chances
that they will, ( I refer the FCC to prices on allmode rigs with VHF
frequencies compared to FM rigs) In addition to issues of cost with the
propagation of VHF there are many times that there is no one out there
that a novice operator can find and work. From personal experience, I
can tell you that this is a hard thing to do, and thus tends to imped
the progress of the Techs and separate them from the rest of the ARS.
This separation is not god for the ARS or it abilities to serve in the
public interest .


Dave Heil August 11th 05 03:34 AM

an_old_friend wrote:
My own comments

To the persons reading comments for the FCC greetings,
With regard to main body of the NPRM I am a favor of dropping all code
tests at once, however there are a few points concerning related
matters I wish to discuss and respect insist that FCC made something on
these points clear when the R&O is issued.

The privileges of the entry class, Technician, after this action are
frankly unclear to me. As perhaps one of the few members of that class
making comments it is a subject near and dear to my heart. It is also
a question vital to the future of the ARS, and thus in some degree the
safety and future of the USA.

I believe the privileges should be what was known as Before the 1998
NPRM as Tech plus, this si because I have frankly observed that many
new Techs tend to get struck on FM repeaters, a fine mode but hard to
break out of, and being hard to break out tends to depress the chances
that they will, ( I refer the FCC to prices on allmode rigs with VHF
frequencies compared to FM rigs) In addition to issues of cost with the
propagation of VHF there are many times that there is no one out there
that a novice operator can find and work. From personal experience, I
can tell you that this is a hard thing to do, and thus tends to imped
the progress of the Techs and separate them from the rest of the ARS.
This separation is not god for the ARS or it abilities to serve in the
public interest .


Where's that pool of typists when you really need it?

Dave K8MN


b.b. August 11th 05 03:40 AM


Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
My own comments

To the persons reading comments for the FCC greetings,
With regard to main body of the NPRM I am a favor of dropping all code
tests at once, however there are a few points concerning related
matters I wish to discuss and respect insist that FCC made something on
these points clear when the R&O is issued.

The privileges of the entry class, Technician, after this action are
frankly unclear to me. As perhaps one of the few members of that class
making comments it is a subject near and dear to my heart. It is also
a question vital to the future of the ARS, and thus in some degree the
safety and future of the USA.

I believe the privileges should be what was known as Before the 1998
NPRM as Tech plus, this si because I have frankly observed that many
new Techs tend to get struck on FM repeaters, a fine mode but hard to
break out of, and being hard to break out tends to depress the chances
that they will, ( I refer the FCC to prices on allmode rigs with VHF
frequencies compared to FM rigs) In addition to issues of cost with the
propagation of VHF there are many times that there is no one out there
that a novice operator can find and work. From personal experience, I
can tell you that this is a hard thing to do, and thus tends to imped
the progress of the Techs and separate them from the rest of the ARS.
This separation is not god for the ARS or it abilities to serve in the
public interest .


Where's that pool of typists when you really need it?

Dave K8MN


Dave, are you volunteering for 702 duty?


b.b. August 11th 05 04:01 AM


an_old_friend wrote:
b.b. wrote:
an old friend wrote:
b.b. wrote:
an old friend wrote:
Jim Hampton wrote:
I sure hope you are kidding. If this is real ..... well, it staggers the
imagination.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

I doubt it but then I suspect that He or Dave of another ProCoder
submitted that coment, simliar stuff happen in the last round's NPRM

It looks like the work of a disgruntled PCTA Extra, such as
Bruce/WA8ULX.

That Steve would be sucked in by it's idiotic simplicity speaks
volumes.

It is called "willing suspenion of Disbelief" stevie so wants to
believe that is the general sort of person that opposes code testing
and so he jumps at it

It is sad realy but the FCC will see right though it


Most of these not-so old-timers have lost it.

Just like Dave can't understand that "OSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOS" just might be
a distress call. I pity the units that he supposedly served.


wonder what they do with transmision "ayday...ayday
...ayday...b9wdy...lling...ayday" the dots being static, something liek
sorry ole boy we migh help you when you fix your radio


They walk down the hall to the vending machine and by a bag of chips.

Indeed If truely stuck and needing help but with a big batery Id just
send ...---...--- and hope for the best at interavals as long that
battery would still make sparks but Dave and prehaps a good many other
MMM would not help me


Dave is special, but not unique.


Dave Heil August 11th 05 04:19 AM

b.b. wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

My own comments

To the persons reading comments for the FCC greetings,
With regard to main body of the NPRM I am a favor of dropping all code
tests at once, however there are a few points concerning related
matters I wish to discuss and respect insist that FCC made something on
these points clear when the R&O is issued.

The privileges of the entry class, Technician, after this action are
frankly unclear to me. As perhaps one of the few members of that class
making comments it is a subject near and dear to my heart. It is also
a question vital to the future of the ARS, and thus in some degree the
safety and future of the USA.

I believe the privileges should be what was known as Before the 1998
NPRM as Tech plus, this si because I have frankly observed that many
new Techs tend to get struck on FM repeaters, a fine mode but hard to
break out of, and being hard to break out tends to depress the chances
that they will, ( I refer the FCC to prices on allmode rigs with VHF
frequencies compared to FM rigs) In addition to issues of cost with the
propagation of VHF there are many times that there is no one out there
that a novice operator can find and work. From personal experience, I
can tell you that this is a hard thing to do, and thus tends to imped
the progress of the Techs and separate them from the rest of the ARS.
This separation is not god for the ARS or it abilities to serve in the
public interest .


Where's that pool of typists when you really need it?

Dave K8MN



Dave, are you volunteering for 702 duty?


To assist Mark? No way. He had a pool of trained typists at his beck
and call and has turned down a job paying nearly a quarter million per
year. I'd have thought that he'd have run his comments through his staff.

Dave K8MN


Dave Heil August 11th 05 04:31 AM

b.b. wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:

b.b. wrote:

an old friend wrote:

b.b. wrote:

an old friend wrote:

Jim Hampton wrote:

I sure hope you are kidding. If this is real ..... well, it staggers the
imagination.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

I doubt it but then I suspect that He or Dave of another ProCoder
submitted that coment, simliar stuff happen in the last round's NPRM

It looks like the work of a disgruntled PCTA Extra, such as
Bruce/WA8ULX.

That Steve would be sucked in by it's idiotic simplicity speaks
volumes.

It is called "willing suspenion of Disbelief" stevie so wants to
believe that is the general sort of person that opposes code testing
and so he jumps at it

It is sad realy but the FCC will see right though it

Most of these not-so old-timers have lost it.

Just like Dave can't understand that "OSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOS" just might be
a distress call. I pity the units that he supposedly served.


wonder what they do with transmision "ayday...ayday
...ayday...b9wdy...lling...ayday" the dots being static, something liek
sorry ole boy we migh help you when you fix your radio



They walk down the hall to the vending machine and by a bag of chips.


Indeed If truely stuck and needing help but with a big batery Id just
send ...---...--- and hope for the best...


Those who heard this transmission would no doubt think that things were
so so.

Dave K8MN

an old friend August 11th 05 09:04 PM


Dave Heil wrote:

To assist Mark? No way. He had a pool of trained typists at his beck
and call and has turned down a job paying nearly a quarter million per
year. I'd have thought that he'd have run his comments through his staff.


thinking not realy your strong suit

No staff I hire out of a pool when i choose to pay for the temps, I
choose not to pay for the temps

Dave K8MN



an old friend August 11th 05 09:06 PM


Dave Heil wrote:
b.b. wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:

b.b. wrote:

an old friend wrote:

b.b. wrote:

an old friend wrote:

Jim Hampton wrote:

I sure hope you are kidding. If this is real ..... well, it staggers the
imagination.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

I doubt it but then I suspect that He or Dave of another ProCoder
submitted that coment, simliar stuff happen in the last round's NPRM

It looks like the work of a disgruntled PCTA Extra, such as
Bruce/WA8ULX.

That Steve would be sucked in by it's idiotic simplicity speaks
volumes.

It is called "willing suspenion of Disbelief" stevie so wants to
believe that is the general sort of person that opposes code testing
and so he jumps at it

It is sad realy but the FCC will see right though it

Most of these not-so old-timers have lost it.

Just like Dave can't understand that "OSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOS" just might be
a distress call. I pity the units that he supposedly served.

wonder what they do with transmision "ayday...ayday
...ayday...b9wdy...lling...ayday" the dots being static, something liek
sorry ole boy we migh help you when you fix your radio



They walk down the hall to the vending machine and by a bag of chips.


Indeed If truely stuck and needing help but with a big batery Id just
send ...---...--- and hope for the best...


Those who heard this transmission would no doubt think that things were
so so.


indeed proving the devotion of the Procoders to the aiding of others


Dave K8MN



K4YZ August 12th 05 01:37 PM


an_old_friend wrote:
My own comments

To the persons reading comments for the FCC greetings,


With regard to main body of the NPRM I am a favor of dropping all code
tests at once, however there are a few points concerning related
matters I wish to discuss and respect insist that FCC made something on
these points clear when the R&O is issued.


Started off strong, Mark. But then your mouth over ran common
sense and you started rambling again.

E N G L I S H C O M P O S I T I O N

The privileges of the entry class, Technician, after this action are
frankly unclear to me.


I guess you missed the part where the FCC said it was dismissing
all those other petitions and was focusing on the Code issue at the
moment.

As perhaps one of the few members of that class
making comments it is a subject near and dear to my heart.


Also guess you haven't been paying attention to some of the
demographics of the respondents. You are far and away from being
"...one of the few...", Mark...

It is also
a question vital to the future of the ARS, and thus in some degree the
safety and future of the USA.


Let's see if Lennie ahs the same Field Day with THAT as he does
anytime any of the REST of us suggest even the remotest degree of
importance or relevance of the Amateur Radio Service...

I believe the privileges should be what was known as Before the 1998
NPRM as Tech plus, this si because I have frankly observed that many
new Techs tend to get struck on FM repeaters, a fine mode but hard to
break out of, and being hard to break out tends to depress the chances
that they will, ( I refer the FCC to prices on allmode rigs with VHF
frequencies compared to FM rigs) In addition to issues of cost with the
propagation of VHF there are many times that there is no one out there
that a novice operator can find and work.


Congratulations.

104 words before you managed to get a period in there.

And the FCC could care less about the price of radios.

From personal experience...(SNIP)


Goat sacrifice counts here?

I can tell you that this is a hard thing to do, and thus tends to imped
the progress of the Techs and separate them from the rest of the ARS.


The only thing that impedes ANY licensee from operating on ANY
band or mode is just DOING it. I know several NCT's who rarely touch a
2 meter rig.

This separation is not god for the ARS or it abilities to serve in the
public interest .


Signing this comment with an Amateur Radio callsign will be even
WORSE for the Amateur Service.

Steve, K4YZ


K4YZ August 12th 05 02:12 PM


an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
b.b. wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:


Indeed If truely stuck and needing help but with a big batery Id just
send ...---...--- and hope for the best...


Those who heard this transmission would no doubt think that things were
so so.


indeed proving the devotion of the Procoders to the aiding of others


Whoa right there, Mark......

(1) Dave was, again, correct. What you typed was "SOSO"

(2) You've already demonstrated that you WON'T help yourself
despite having acknowledged that numerous resources are at your
disposal and within your capabilites to use and implement. So why
would Dave (or anyone else, for that matter..??) waste any time on you
for anything?

(3) As for "procoders" aiding others, I have "elmered" and/or
proctored tests for dozens of folks and helped who-knows-how-many folks
ON the radio...regardless of thier class of license.

You've "helped"...how many...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ



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