Well, well, well....................

After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's
predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look
over some of the other comments.

Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for
the rest of you.

Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular
of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE.

Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT,
W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN.

Soooooooooooo......

Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle?

On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word
either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other...

73

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
Well, well, well....................
After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at
Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-
regular
of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE.

Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA,
K3LT,
W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN.


Steve,

W5DXP, K3LT, WK3C, and W1RFI haven't posted to rrap in a long time.

Cecil decided to focus on antennas soon after the 2000 restructuring.
He said in here that 5 wpm was the right level,
he resigned his NCI membership and went on to other things.

Larry's work and other interests caused him to spend his time
differently.

Carl has shown up once or twice but his main focuses have been
his job, house, anti-BPL and NCI duties. Heck, he was so busy it
took him a year to get his Extra and vanity call.

Ed has been focused on fighting BPL. He's also an ARRL staffer, so he
may prefer not to even give the appearance of a conflict.

Soooooooooooo......

Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle?

It's only been a few days. There are weeks to go yet.

Look at the responses - most of them are "Brief Comments", meaning a
short yea or nay. Many are embarrassing in their
poor spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation. Better
to spend some time proofreading and polishing.

There's also the perception some have that the whole thing may be a
done deal already.

Suppose the majority of commenters want code testing to stay, either as
it is now or maybe just for Extra. Will that make any difference at all
to what FCC does? Back in 1999, a member of NCI read and tallied up the
comments and found that the *majority*
wanted either two or three code test speeds. Yet FCC went to 5 wpm
only.

On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a
word
either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the
other...

Almost everything NCVEC wanted in their second petition was denied.

73 de Jim, N2EY

313

btw, you missed the biggest hoot in Len's comments - the part where he
says he offers an "objective" view...AS IF!

K4YZ wrote:

Well, well, well....................

After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's
predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look
over some of the other comments.

Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for
the rest of you.

Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular
of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE.

Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT,
W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN.

Soooooooooooo......

Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle?

On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word
either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other...


Hey Steve.

I figured that I would reserve my comments for a place that had a
better chance of having an effect on the decision. That would be in
rrap! ;^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Well, well, well....................
After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at
Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-
regular
of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE.

Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA,
K3LT,
W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN.


Steve,

W5DXP, K3LT, WK3C, and W1RFI haven't posted to rrap in a long time.

I know.

Does that mean they no longer take a proactive role in Amateur
Radio policy issues?

Cecil decided to focus on antennas soon after the 2000 restructuring.
He said in here that 5 wpm was the right level,
he resigned his NCI membership and went on to other things.

Larry's work and other interests caused him to spend his time
differently.

Carl has shown up once or twice but his main focuses have been
his job, house, anti-BPL and NCI duties. Heck, he was so busy it
took him a year to get his Extra and vanity call.

Ed has been focused on fighting BPL. He's also an ARRL staffer, so he
may prefer not to even give the appearance of a conflict.

All fine gentlemen and pursuits.

Soooooooooooo......

Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle?

It's only been a few days. There are weeks to go yet.

Look at the responses - most of them are "Brief Comments", meaning a
short yea or nay. Many are embarrassing in their
poor spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation. Better
to spend some time proofreading and polishing.

There's also the perception some have that the whole thing may be a
done deal already.

Suppose the majority of commenters want code testing to stay, either as
it is now or maybe just for Extra. Will that make any difference at all
to what FCC does? Back in 1999, a member of NCI read and tallied up the
comments and found that the *majority*
wanted either two or three code test speeds. Yet FCC went to 5 wpm
only.

On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a
word
either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the
other...

Almost everything NCVEC wanted in their second petition was denied.

But Gordo and The Fred will still sell books.

73 de Jim, N2EY

313

btw, you missed the biggest hoot in Len's comments - the part where he
says he offers an "objective" view...AS IF!

Like I said...too bad there's noit a penalty for perjury in those
comments...Page 1 would have got him in HAC right off the bat.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Michael Coslo wrote:

I figured that I would reserve my comments for a place that had a
better chance of having an effect on the decision. That would be in
rrap! ;^)

I gave up on RRAP being any usable place for ANY kind of debate
other than flame throwing and frustration venting years ago, Mike.
There are occassional sidebars that are actually informative, but they
are so few and far between, and usually usurped by yet another
LennieRant as to make it ineffective as any discussion group.

I've started a few threads on different policy issues before (as
have others with sincere intent)only to have it drawn into Lennie's
"It's a Might Morsemen Conspiracy" mode within a few posts...

So...the NG isn't good for what it was intended...might as well
use it for what it is good for...

Mudfight!

73

Steve, K4YZ

"K4YZ" wrote in message
ups.com...
Well, well, well....................

After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's
predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look
over some of the other comments.

Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for
the rest of you.

Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular
of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE.

Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT,
W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN.

Soooooooooooo......

We do have 60 days from when the NPRM is printed in the Federal
Register to comment.

Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle?

On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word
either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other...

You'll probably only see Fred's comments via the NCVEC comment
when that gets agreed to within the NCVEC groups.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

"Bill Sohl" wrote in message
k.net...

"K4YZ" wrote in message
ups.com...
Well, well, well....................

After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's
predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look
over some of the other comments.

Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for
the rest of you.

Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular
of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE.

Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT,
W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN.

Soooooooooooo......

We do have 60 days from when the NPRM is printed in the Federal
Register to comment.

Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle?

On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word
either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other...

You'll probably only see Fred's comments via the NCVEC comment
when that gets agreed to within the NCVEC groups.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK



Well, Bill. I am not sure that a kind of public indictment of people who've
not chosen to submit comments to something is all that democratic ( );
but...

I am, admittedly, a ham who is not all that active. I also *used* to be
more affected emotionally by issues of CW and ham traditions than I am now.
Maybe chalk that up to having spouted off to people like Larry, etc., for
long enough that I've lost sail...LOL I have opinions on the service, the
hobby, etc. But, I choose not to try to "affect" ham radio by way of my
comments to NPRMs (that is, unless there was some kind of something that
truly affected me emotionally) in things that I am OK with going either way
and this one, I am. I think it's probably something along the lines of
consensus. I may have an opinion of my own, but I am willing to step aside
and yield to the prevailing group.

Kim W5TIT

my coment will be sent when I have them polished enough of course

To the FCC the little details are important, Indeed my coments will
likey be typed by one of the pool of typists I use professionaly

as Bill say we have 60 days
K4YZ wrote:
Well, well, well....................

After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's
predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look
over some of the other comments.

Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for
the rest of you.

Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular
of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE.

Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT,
W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN.

Soooooooooooo......

Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle?

On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word
either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other...

73

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:

I figured that I would reserve my comments for a place that had a
better chance of having an effect on the decision. That would be in
rrap! ;^)

I gave up on RRAP being any usable place for ANY kind of debate
other than flame throwing and frustration venting years ago, Mike.

then consider giving up your mudslinging

There are occassional sidebars that are actually informative, but they
are so few and far between, and usually usurped by yet another
LennieRant as to make it ineffective as any discussion group.

I've started a few threads on different policy issues before (as
have others with sincere intent)only to have it drawn into Lennie's
"It's a Might Morsemen Conspiracy" mode within a few posts...

haven't seen you start a thread related to radio, and that wasn't
simply a luddite rant


So...the NG isn't good for what it was intended...might as well
use it for what it is good for...

Mudfight!

so says the senior mudslinger


73

Steve, K4YZ

On 3 Aug 2005 03:15:45 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:

Well, well, well....................

After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's
predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look
over some of the other comments.

Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for
the rest of you.

Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular
of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE.

Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT,
W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN.

Soooooooooooo......

Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle?

Funny you should mention it. I filed mine today, as follows:

BEGIN QUOTED MATERIAL
************************************************** ************************

Mr. Chairman and Commissioners:

Following are my comments relative to proceeding WT 05-235, In the
Matter of Amendment of Part of the Commission 's Rules To Implement
WRC-03 Regulations Applicable to Requirements for Operator Licenses in
the Amateur Radio Service.

There have been many arguments posed in favor of eliminating the
telegraphy requirement for an Amateur Radio license. I see no reason
for me to rehash all of them at this time. Simply stated, it is my
considered opinion that continuing to test for Morse proficiency as a
prerequisite for licensing in the Amateur radio service is not in the
public interest. Furthermore, the requirement serves no useful
regulatory purpose, and is not consistent with the goals for the
Amateur Radio Service as stated in the Basis And Purpose section of
the Commission's rules set forth in Part 97.

Therefore, I support the proposed rulemaking to the extent that it
would remove the telegraphy requirement for all license classes in the
Amateur Radio Service.

I would also like to comment on the matter of operator privileges to
be assigned to the various license classes in the event that the
telegraphy requirement is removed. In my opinion, the current written
examinations for the Novice, Technician, and Technician-Plus license
classes do not, in my opinion, insure sufficient knowledge to safely
operate an amateur station consistent with the privileges of the
General Class license. The material covered in the General Class
written examination simply is not covered in the exams for the Novice,
Technician, and Technician-Plus classes. Therefore, I concur with the
Commission's proposal to retain operator privileges for those classes
consistent with those currently in effect. I state this with the
realization that subject to the further modification of those
privileges that would result from the separate proceeding and NPRM
regarding the Phone Band Expansion, licensees holding those classes of
license stand to receive a significant gain in operating privileges. I
do not feel it is in the public interest to grant automatic upgrades
to higher license classes without requiring applicants for those
higher license classes to pass the appropriate written examinations. I
also do not see a need for adding any new classes of amateur radio
license. The reorganization of the Amateur Radio Service that took
effect in the year 2000 has already dealt properly with the number of
available license classes.

Finally, I agree with the Commission's proposal to refrain from
enacting any rules changes intended to more closely regulate the
content of the written examinations. Applicants who pass one or more
written examinations qualify for either a new license, or an upgrade
to a higher class of license. As noted by the Commission in the NPRM,
the purpose of the written examination is to insure that the applicant
can safely operate a station. The written examinations are not, and
were never intended to be, tests of an applicant's technical level or
operating skills, other than those necessary to safely operate an
amateur station while said applicant is developing his or her
technical and operating skills. In other words, passing the exam is
the beginning, not the end. Successful completion of the examination
causes the applicant to be granted a license, which bestows certain
privileges depending on the class of license that is granted. It is
what the applicant does with those privileges after they are granted
that demonstrates his or her technical level and operating skills. In
fact, it occurs to me that, if one were required to be an electronics
expert prior to obtaining an amateur license, then participation in
the Amateur Radio Service would not be a viable means of training
skilled operators and advancing the technical skills of those
operators. This would not be in keeping with the Basis And Purpose of
the Amateur Radio Service.

In closing, then, I find myself in complete agreement with the
proposed changes to the Commission's rules as stated in the NPRM. I
would like to express my appreciation to the Commission for it's
attention to this matter, and also, in no small part, for having
"gotten it right" so to speak. While I am sure that this proposed
rulemaking will generate considerable distress for some, I can say as
the current holder of a General Class Amateur License that the
Commission's proposed action on this matter is in the public interest
and is in keeping with the Basis And Purpose of the Amateur Radio
Service.

Thanks you for the opportunity to participate in the regulatory
process governing the Amateur Radio Service. I look forward to the
Commission's eventual Report & Order on this matter.

Sincerely,

John D. Kasupski, KC2HMZ
Tonawanda, New York

************************************************** *********************************
END QUOTED MATERIAL

If anybody is having trouble with the ECFS telling you the matter is
not open for commenting, be advised you cannot enter "WT05-235" in the
"Proceeding" field on the cover sheet. Just enter "05-235" without any
WT or FCC or anything else and it should work just fine.

73 de John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York
Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS)
zIRC #monitor Admin