b.b. wrote:

Same stuff, different day. And at the end of the day, Steve's still an
idiot.

Being an "idiot" is not a detriment to one's character. One man's
idiot is another man's genius.

However a liar is a liar, and Brainie Boy, you're a liar.

Proven. Archived.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
b.b. wrote:

Same stuff, different day. And at the end of the day, Steve's still an
idiot.

Being an "idiot" is not a detriment to one's character. One man's
idiot is another man's genius.

However a liar is a liar, and Brainie Boy, you're a liar.

Proven. Archived.

Steve, K4YZ

Nope. I told the truth when I said that you were an idiot.

It's verifyable.

From: Carl R. Stevenson on Aug 4, 1:55 pm


Steve,

The comment period isn't OPEN yet (the release of the NPRM by the FCC
doesn't "start the clock," it's the publication in the Federal Register,
which has not yet happened.

Heyo Carl! Welcome again.

Sunnuvagun you are RIGHT! I checked the FR at the GPO site
and there is nothing there yet from 15 July (the NPRM release
date) through 4 August!

Amazing...two weeks gone on this NPRM and it hasn't started yet!

Even worse, at least a dozen ham-interest websites have made it
a cause celebre, front-page headline thing (which it is)...and
lots of folks are now urging Comments to be sent in! Everyone
from Nancy Kott at FISTS on out... :-)

Thus, technically speaking, while the docket is open in the ECFS, comments
filed now are "premature," so I would suggest you consider refraining from
"dis-ing" people over something where they are behaving in a completely
appropriate manner.

Stebie don' need no steenking rules! :-)

See 25 Jan 99 on 98-143, 10 days AFTER the supposed window close
on the Restructuring NPRM. Stebie was in there dissing me. :-)
He hasn't stopped since.

I fully intend to file my comments on the NPRM within the appropriate,
prescribed time window. I expect others who understand the comment/reply
comment process, as prescribed by the Administrative Procedures Act will
likewise file their comments in the appropriate, prescribed time window.

No problem here. I can resend my Comment in the click of a few
mouse buttons. It will still apply. Morse code is only 161
years old...it's had its time in the sun.

Thanks for the advisory. Will have to check the Federal Register
daily now to see if 05-235 has had its window open.

No breeze. Or, as Shakespeare almost wrote it, "Lo, what ball
through yonder window breaks?" :-)

dit bye

wrote:
From: Carl R. Stevenson on Aug 4, 1:55 pm


Steve,

The comment period isn't OPEN yet (the release of the NPRM by the FCC
doesn't "start the clock," it's the publication in the Federal Register,
which has not yet happened.

Heyo Carl! Welcome again.

Sunnuvagun you are RIGHT! I checked the FR at the GPO site
and there is nothing there yet from 15 July (the NPRM release
date) through 4 August!

Amazing...two weeks gone on this NPRM and it hasn't started yet!

Even worse, at least a dozen ham-interest websites have made it
a cause celebre, front-page headline thing (which it is)...and
lots of folks are now urging Comments to be sent in! Everyone
from Nancy Kott at FISTS on out... :-)

That's impossible. FISTS is non-political, and all things Morse Code
related are PURE! So that's impossible. Completely impossible.

Thus, technically speaking, while the docket is open in the ECFS, comments
filed now are "premature," so I would suggest you consider refraining from
"dis-ing" people over something where they are behaving in a completely
appropriate manner.

Stebie don't need no steenking rules! :-)

Bet Steve got "steenking Badges!"

See 25 Jan 99 on 98-143, 10 days AFTER the supposed window close
on the Restructuring NPRM. Stebie was in there dissing me. :-)
He hasn't stopped since.

Same Stuff, Different Millenium.

From: "b.b." on Sat 6 Aug 2005 18:18


wrote:
From: Carl R. Stevenson on Aug 4, 1:55 pm


Steve,

The comment period isn't OPEN yet (the release of the NPRM by the FCC
doesn't "start the clock," it's the publication in the Federal Register,
which has not yet happened.

Heyo Carl! Welcome again.

Sunnuvagun you are RIGHT! I checked the FR at the GPO site
and there is nothing there yet from 15 July (the NPRM release
date) through 4 August!

[wasn't there in the Federal Register for 5 Aug 05 either...]

Amazing...two weeks gone on this NPRM and it hasn't started yet!

Even worse, at least a dozen ham-interest websites have made it
a cause celebre, front-page headline thing (which it is)...and
lots of folks are now urging Comments to be sent in! Everyone
from Nancy Kott at FISTS on out... :-)

That's impossible. FISTS is non-political, and all things Morse Code
related are PURE! So that's impossible. Completely impossible.

To morsemen minds, that's absolutely true.

They think there is no better "music" than the on-off keying of
an RF carrier wave by the mislabeled "international language"
of morse code. ALL "interested in [ham] radio MUST test for
that skill...to "show dedication and committment to the
amateur community" (which consists of the individual mind of
each morseman in their hive-collective).

Thus, technically speaking, while the docket is open in the ECFS, comments
filed now are "premature," so I would suggest you consider refraining from
"dis-ing" people over something where they are behaving in a completely
appropriate manner.

Stebie don't need no steenking rules! :-)

Bet Steve got "steenking Badges!"

Stebie's cigar box of medals really needs an air freshener...

See 25 Jan 99 on 98-143, 10 days AFTER the supposed window close
on the Restructuring NPRM. Stebie was in there dissing me. :-)
He hasn't stopped since.

Same Stuff, Different Millenium.

Poor feller hasn't learned to "play well with others" in six
years. I've given up on optimism of his changing enough to
get along with others. As Jeswald likes to say, "Ya 'jes
cain't fix stupid."

fix not

"K4YZ" wrote in message
ups.com...
Well, well, well....................

After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's
predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look
over some of the other comments.

Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for
the rest of you.

Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular
of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE.

Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT,
W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN.

Soooooooooooo......

Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle?

On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word
either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other...

73

Steve, K4YZ


I haven't decided whether to comment or not.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:

I haven't decided whether to comment or not.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

I'd strongly suggest that you comment, Dee, regardless of
what your comments are. And regardless of whether they
affect the outcome at all.

For one thing, although some folks claim to know what the majority
wants,
the fact of that won't be known until all the comments are in. Last
time,
the majority didn't get what they wanted, though....

Of course someone trustworthy will have to read and categorize all the
comments for us to know what the majority wants. That was done back in
1998.

If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where
we stood.

--

One thing that I found unsettling about 98-143 was how *few*
comments were filed. FCC was proposing the biggest shakeup of
the license and test structure in many years, and they got maybe
2200 comments - from an amateur population of almost 700,000 hams
(not counting expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses, clubs, etc.)

Such a low turnout is troubling, particularly considering how easy
FCC has made it to file comments. There's ECFS, which can accept a
brief comment typed-in, or a lengthier one as a file attachment.
There's comments by mail, in paper or electronic format. 98-143
had a very long comment period, yet only about 1 in 300 US hams
commented at all.

Back in the 1960s, when FCC proposed the changes that came to be
known as "incentive licensing", they got over 6000 comments. There
were only about 250,000 US hams back then, with no internet, no
email, no word-processing, etc.

Last time I looked there were over 600 comments on file.

73 de Jim, N2EY

On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote:

If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where
we stood.

And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was
released. Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the
majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome?

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

"Phil Kane" wrote in message
ast.net...
On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote:

If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where
we stood.

And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was
released. Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the
majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome?
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Maybe yes, maybe no. In this case, the majority (if one
looks at the comments already filed) appear to be
running better than 2:1 in support of the ending of
all code testing. Sure looks like a majority to me.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

"Bill Sohl" wrote in message
.net...

"Phil Kane" wrote in message
ast.net...
On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote:

If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where
we stood.

And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was
released. Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the
majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome?
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Maybe yes, maybe no. In this case, the majority (if one
looks at the comments already filed) appear to be
running better than 2:1 in support of the ending of
all code testing. Sure looks like a majority to me.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

I think the ones against the change are worn out. They know that the FCC
didn't listen before and don't believe the FCC will listen now. They are
ready to move on.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE