K2EY:

I think the majoritys' will is what is occurring, and no, I don't think a
minority is going to be able to stop the majority here, perhaps if you got
a group together called "Gay Hams for Morse!" it might float, for some
reason the homosexuals are able to enforce their will on others
effectively, perhaps a study of their methods and their adoption could
lead to success.

John

On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:21:19 -0700, Phil Kane wrote:

On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote:

If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where
we stood.

And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was
released. Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the
majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome?

Phil Kane wrote:
On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote:

If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where
we stood.

And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was
released. Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the
majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome?

Writeth this OF on 21 July: "This "NPRM" is not "an opportunity to
comment", it's an announcement about the way it's absolutely gonna be.
Period. They'll go thru the NPRM motions only because the law sez they
have to and they'll patiently tap their fingers on the table until the
deluge of desparate commnents is over then declare the POS they
published today a done deal." Ignore the speling and thankew.

Anyone who thinks that flooding the FCC with "comments" will make a
whit of difference on this one doesn't understand how/why democracy
beltway-style actually works.

Diddy dah dit dah. Dit-DIT.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

w3rv

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Phil Kane wrote:
On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote:

If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where
we stood.

And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was
released. Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the
majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome?

Writeth this OF on 21 July: "This "NPRM" is not "an opportunity to
comment", it's an announcement about the way it's absolutely gonna be.
Period. They'll go thru the NPRM motions only because the law sez they
have to and they'll patiently tap their fingers on the table until the
deluge of desparate commnents is over then declare the POS they
published today a done deal." Ignore the speling and thankew.

Anyone who thinks that flooding the FCC with "comments" will make a
whit of difference on this one doesn't understand how/why democracy
beltway-style actually works.

Diddy dah dit dah. Dit-DIT.
w3rv

Bottom line here...

1. The discussion as to value or need to have any code test
was completely discussed prior to 2000 when the FCC
specifically called for such discussion (NPRM 98-143).

2. Thousands of comments were filed with various
rationals in support of code testing....the FCC
in their R&O reviewed and dismissed every
pro-code test argument....

3. The ONLY reason the FCC kept even a 5wpm test
was because of the international treaty requiring a code
test.

4. The WRC-2003 review resulted in elimination of
any code test requirement in the international treaty with
almost unanomous agreement by the countries
to do so.

5. The current NPRM, in short, deletes code testing
for USA amateurs as allowed now by the international treaty.
The FCC, now has an open comment period for
discussion of the proposed change.

6. Unless some great new and profound reason to
retain code testing surfaces via the 05-235
comment process, any prospect
of keeping any code test is just not going to happen.
The old arguments (and that's all that any PCTAs
have been rehashing) have no chance of winning
out since they failed in 98-143, WRC-2003, etc.

7. Any argument or claim that the code test should be
retained if a majority of hams want it so isn't
going to happen either.
For two reasons:
(a) The FCC doesn't make the rules that way and
(b) The majority of current comments are actually
running better than 2 to 1 in favor of total
elimination of code testing.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

Phil Kane wrote:
On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote:

If nothing else, all of us can at least say that
we let FCC know where we stood.

And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was
released.

Yep. In fact they let us know that back in '99.

Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the
majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome?

The majority didn't get what they wanted back then. More than
half of those who commented wanted at least 2 code test speeds
but we got 5 wpm across the board.

Still, it will be worth commenting just for the principle
of the thing.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Isn't democracy grand? ;-)

Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI

Bert Craig wrote:
Isn't democracy grand? ;-)

That it tis, my friend...that it tis!

73

Steve, K4YZ

"K4YZ" wrote

Well, well, well....................

Well, well, well, indeed!

For the first time in my memory Steve makes a comment to FCC on a new NPRM, then
pounds his chest in pride and prematurely chides others for not following his
lead.

Well, well, well!

beep beep
de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

Well, well, well....................

Well, well, well, indeed!

For the first time in my memory Steve makes a comment to FCC on a new NPR=
M, then
pounds his chest in pride and prematurely chides others for not following=
his
lead.

check your memory again, didn't he do that is the last time too?

I think so but well that was a few years ago
=20
Well, well, well!
=20
beep beep
de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

Well, well, well....................

Well, well, well, indeed!

For the first time in my memory Steve makes a comment to FCC on a new NPR=
M, then
pounds his chest in pride and prematurely chides others for not following=
his
lead.

Well, well, well!
=20
beep beep
de Hans, K0HB

He's an idiot.

b=2Eb. wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

Well, well, well....................

Well, well, well, indeed!

For the first time in my memory Steve makes a comment to FCC on a new N=
PRM, then
pounds his chest in pride and prematurely chides others for not followi=
ng his
lead.

Well, well, well!

Hans hasn't been paying attention.

He's an idiot.

Oh, gee, Brain, after all we've meant to each other, you want to
go and be "that way"...

Of course pathological liars such as yourself have a need to hide
behind others...And you DO have a lot to hide...

As for the comments...It's not as if there hasn't been a seven
year plus history of this NG IRT the Code test, Hans...One might draw
the conclusion that this group had a predetermined interest in the
subject and had make decisions on what to say.

Steve, K4YZ