From: Mike Coslo on Aug 6, 4:33 pm

an old friend wrote:
wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:


ah yes accusing everyone that disagrees of laziness we have been
hearing that a long time too

In 1912 there were reason you needed to be able to USE morse code,
today there is no NEED to USE it at all and yte we test for for it
awhile longer

I can't find any real reason why there is any need for testing for
anything in Amateur radio any more.

Translation: "Whahhh, whahhh...the FCC is taking away Test
Element 1 which I passed so make them take away the other
three Test Elements which I passed!"

Jay-suss, Coslo, you are one mean and spiteful mumbler...

Michael, WT Docket 05-235 is ONLY about Test Element 1.

That doesn't mean that I don't support testing. It means that Hams and
our regulatory bodies have to get together and form a consensus on just
what we *want* Amateur radio to be.

"Consensus?!?"

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

If there was a "consensus" POSSIBLE, there wouldn't have been
EIGHTEEN PETITIONS, all different, on a "new" amateur radio in
the USA!

What you (and most MMMs) "want" seems to be a fantasy idea of
some kind of "radio expertise" allowed to use on certificates,
after your name, and rationalization for all your posturing
and elitist posings. A fantasyland where all can tell of their
mighty amateur exploits, of "fish stories" of "catching the rare
one," and strutting around like the cure for the common
terrorist for "Homeland Security."

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

Do we want it to be a body of people
with some form of technical knowledge? So be it. We can do that But we
can indeed turn the Amateur bands into something else indeed. We can
channelize them, we can eliminate experimentation, we can reduce maximum
power levels, and we can ensure that only type accepted equipment is
used. At that point, we can eliminate testing altogether.

More translation: "Whaaaah, whaaaah, I took a morse test and
passed and that makes me Very Technical Knowledgeable and those
who don't or can't are 'dumbed down!' Waaaa, waaaa..."

Tsk, tsk, tsk. WT Docket 05-235 and any subsequent R&O based
on that is NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE CONTENTS OF 97.1 in Title
47 C.F.R. In case you've forgotten, that's the DEFINITION of
"amateur radio" from the FCC, the agency that regulates amateur
radio.

You MAY be talking about the ARRL's idea of "what amateur radio
is all about" which seems to center around "working DX on HF with
CW." or "working CW contacts on HF for an 'official' (ARRL)
contest."

Does WT Docket 05-235 TAKE AWAY EXPERIMENTATION? NO.

Does WT Docket 05-235 MANDATE TYPE-ACCEPTED EQUIPMENT? NO.

Does WT Docket 05-235 MAKE ALL THE BANDS "CHANNELIZED?" NO.

Does WT Docket 05-235 MANDATE NEW RF OUT POWER LEVELS? NO.


Putting together a station is probably
harder for most people than learning Morse code. Putting together a
*good* station is definitely so.

Wow, "really HARD!" Walk into an HRO holding a little plastic
card and point to what you want on display, saying "I want
that." Ask for an antenna to put up and select from a large
variety of them for ANY ham band. Swipe the card in their reader
and Voila! it is YOURS. Take home the boxes, open them up,
READ THE INSTRUCTIONS PACKED IN EACH BOX, and install.

Whether or not that will be a "good" station depends on the
balance in your card's account, how glorious a review it got
in QST, and whether or not you bothered to read the install
instructions.


Agreed. The upcoming wave of nocode Extras and Generals will have to
face and resolve the same age-old problems us 20wpm OFs have faced for
decades when it comes to put up or shut up time as it relates to
actually operating in the HF bands. Like being able to spend the money
it takes to acquire decent HF equipment, having the ingenuity and

already got a decent rig, and one since it has VHF and UHF abilities I
have been the air for years with

Think about other people.

Tsk, tsk. THINK ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE, yes. THINK ABOUT THE THREE
OTHERS BESIDES YOURSELF THAT DO NOT WANT THAT CODE TEST!!!

Coslo, the average NCTA v. PCTA ratio is hovering around 3:1.
It varies from day to day, but the virtual "poll" in the Comments
to WT Docket 05-235 make it GREATER than 2:1. You are only
thinking of YOURSELF and winning message points in here...


Perhaps people should drive automobiles for a couple years before
getting their licenses?

Oh, my, the "LICENSE" thing again! :-)

Tsk, tsk, good old reducto ad absurdum technique.

I learned to OPERATE as well as maintain HIGH-POWER HF Transmitters
a half century ago WITHOUT ANY "LICENSE" WHATSOEVER and WITHOUT
HAVING TO KNOW OR USE MORSE CODE.

Those RADIO OWNERS AND OPERATORS using Part 95 radios "need
licenses?"


I learned how to operate on HF by being Elmered by other hams. There
still are things to learn before getting on HF successfully and safely.

I recall only a few days of "on the job training" in the Army
with "elmering" (not yet in vogue as a term in ham radio then)
being simply "do this, do that, dip the plate and peak the
grid, do NOT hold onto this when in standby because it will
KILL you." BFD. All the rest was PROCEDURE, how the frequency
got checked, what the TTY order-wire stuff meant, regulations,
and lots of specific other things. It was NOT "rocket science"
and AMATEUR radio IS NOT A JOB.

Repeat: AMATEUR RADIO IS NOT A JOB. If you screw up operating
your own hobby radio, you will NOT BE FIRED and nobody will DOCK
YOUR PAY.

Of course, that could change if we change amateur radio into what some
people apparently desire.

Third translation: "Waaaa, waaaa, them damn no-coders are gonna
take away the FANTASY I bought into...me, a big time national asset
to homeland security and a 'serviceman' in the service of the
nation!"

Jay-suss, the Mighty Macho Morseman won't be "banned," the "bands"
(a colloquial hamname for HF) won't change, and extras will NOT
be forced to retest!

Elimination of Test Element 1 will do ONLY ONE thing: FREE
newcomers and "upgraders" of having to take a morse code cognition
test. Nothing more. YOU won't have to give up a thing...except
your fantasies pounded into your brain by the fearsome gods of
all morsemen working in Newington. You won't even be
excommunicated from the Church of St. Hiram!

boo his