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August 8th 05, 02:16 AM
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Bill Sohl wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Bill Sohl wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Bill Sohl wrote: wrote in message legroups.com... Phil Kane wrote: On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote: If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where we stood. And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was released. Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome? Writeth this OF on 21 July: "This "NPRM" is not "an opportunity to comment", it's an announcement about the way it's absolutely gonna be. Period. They'll go thru the NPRM motions only because the law sez they have to and they'll patiently tap their fingers on the table until the deluge of desparate commnents is over then declare the POS they published today a done deal." Ignore the speling and thankew. Anyone who thinks that flooding the FCC with "comments" will make a whit of difference on this one doesn't understand how/why democracy beltway-style actually works. Diddy dah dit dah. Dit-DIT. w3rv Bottom line here... 1. The discussion as to value or need to have any code test was completely discussed prior to 2000 when the FCC specifically called for such discussion (NPRM 98-143). 2. Thousands of comments were filed with various rationals in support of code testing....the FCC in their R&O reviewed and dismissed every pro-code test argument.... They also think that BPL is the best thing since sliced bread. 3. The ONLY reason the FCC kept even a 5wpm test was because of the international treaty requiring a code test. 4. The WRC-2003 review resulted in elimination of any code test requirement in the international treaty with almost unanomous agreement by the countries to do so. 5. The current NPRM, in short, deletes code testing for USA amateurs as allowed now by the international treaty. The FCC, now has an open comment period for discussion of the proposed change. 6. Unless some great new and profound reason to retain code testing surfaces via the 05-235 comment process, any prospect of keeping any code test is just not going to happen. The old arguments (and that's all that any PCTAs have been rehashing) have no chance of winning out since they failed in 98-143, WRC-2003, etc. 7. Any argument or claim that the code test should be retained if a majority of hams want it so isn't going to happen either. For two reasons: (a) The FCC doesn't make the rules that way and (b) The majority of current comments are actually running better than 2 to 1 in favor of total elimination of code testing. Um, Bill. Do you *really* believe that because the majority of current comments are in favor of elimination of the test, that the majority of Hams are of the same opinion? Yes I do. Some 10 years ago the ARRL conducted a survey of asking about code retention and the results then were pretty close. With 10 years now passed, lots of new hams, many older hams now SK, the results today would, I believe, show a majority in favor of ending code testing. I'm surprised, Bill. If a scientifically structured poll was made, I would likely accept the results, whether I agreed with those results or not. The comments in this case are largely useless as for any thing representing the majority of amateurs. You have a good thesis in your last paragraph, but that is your thesis, which you are willing to validate by an amazingly imprecise poll. And just how/who would you have fund and conduct a precise poll? Me? ARRL? FCC? Oh, heck I don't know how! I'm not looking for a precise poll. My point is that comments on WT05-235 are only representative of the opinions of those who chose to comment. Standard disclaimer for an unscientific poll. I'd say the same if the results were the other way. No *way* could we work that data into anything statistically significant. *Is* it a representative sample? Is the vote for president of the USA a representative sample? When I go to the polls, I know that my vote is counted (barring shennagins!) and if I vote for the winner, my candidate wins, if I vote for the loser, my candidate doesn't. Well here's the problem you face...FCC rules are not voted on by hams or anyone else via the comments filed. That is true, it's not my problem, and why I don't comment. posting any comment on this issue has no effect on the outcome. I know that, you know that, and I choose not to comment for that reason. Your choice. Quite! ;^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
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