On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:27:48 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
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Typical hammie attitude -- if you're not a ham you're nobody.

I think you have it wrong, Frank.


Oh really.....


I believe the typical ham attitude
is: If you aren't a ham and persist in posting material about the
wonders of CB radio in an amateur radio group, *then* you're nobody.


That's one of the difference between holy-hammies and CBers; the
holy-hammies begin their statements with "I believe....." while the
CBers start with "The facts are.....".

And the facts are that his discussion began in -this- newsgroup with
the thread "Emergency communications", where some CB-hating hams
crossposted their highly subjective and speculative opinions to rrcb.
I'm just here to set the record straight. If you don't want CBers in
this newsgroup then quit crossposting your anti-CB garbage.








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On 15 Aug 2005 21:18:03 GMT, Steveo wrote in
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
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Typical hammie attitude -- if you're not a ham you're nobody.

Thankfully they're not all like that, or convicted child abusing felons
like N8.


True story. I know quite a few -decent- hams and I actually encourage
people to get their license if they show the interest. It's the few
hams with a holier-than-thou attitude that makes amateur radio so
repulsive to the rest of us.






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Frank Gilliland wrote:


Typical hammie attitude -- if you're not a ham you're nobody.

And being a cber makes you even less than that.

Steveo wrote:

You're a CB'er too, call-less camd buzz/jj/corey, or whatever you call
yourself this month.


Hate to dissappoint you steveo, but I have never operated a cb radio or
any other radio on the cb band.

On 15 Aug 2005 10:16:31 -0700, "an_old_friend"
wrote in .com:

Replying to both posts:

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Now that I have your posts figured out, I see that you do (or did)
tend to brag quite a bit about being a Marine.

I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.

really ?

more whoopers


I googled K4YZ for "usmc" or "marines"..... there are 111 posts
-prior- to Jan 1, 2002.



Hey, I do it myself.

We did earn it.

earn what?


Bragging rights.


But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude.

Again...I don't see myself having "crammed" anything down anyone's
throats, Frank...No more than their lies and deceit have been shoved
down mine.


Oh, well, that makes it ok..... I guess.


you make threats and more threats and lies and ....

It's not
your fault, it's not their fault. Wanna blame somebody? Blame the
government -- they tell the military to recruit kids, culture-shock
them into hard-core killing machines, then when their service is
completed dump them back into the civilian population without any sort
of de-programming or re-integration phase. It's not so suprising that
there are a disproportionate number of homeless people that are vets
when you realize that most of them simply never adjusted to civilian
life.....

Anyway, I'm done ranting. Looks like you have been in a flame war with
this guy for over seven years..... do you actually enjoy it? Do you
think you are winning? Or haven't you ever heard of a killfile?

Thankfully it's not been a contiguous seven years. Markie was
gone for the longest time. That pretty much left us with Lennie and
Brain. I see my exchanges with them as being somewhat cathartic.


I've heard that excuse before. Even used it myself on occasion.


So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?


Never been a ham. If you really want to know more about me just browse
the archives -- you might find it "somewhat cathartic".







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Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

Mark's subject line provides amusing irony:

"stevie too stupid to ntice he being insulted"


when you going to fullfill YOUR Promise Dave?

Mark, even when your written English approaches coherency, I have little
idea what you're talking about. What promise have I made you?

don't even bother to ememebr your word

You were going to answer the questions pput you in another thread

Dave K8MN

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:27:48 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:


Frank Gilliland wrote:

snip

Typical hammie attitude -- if you're not a ham you're nobody.

I think you have it wrong, Frank.



Oh really.....

Yep, really.



I believe the typical ham attitude
is: If you aren't a ham and persist in posting material about the
wonders of CB radio in an amateur radio group, *then* you're nobody.



That's one of the difference between holy-hammies and CBers; the
holy-hammies begin their statements with "I believe....." while the
CBers start with "The facts are.....".

You're right. I've heard 'em do it--whether they have facts or not.

And the facts are that his discussion began in -this- newsgroup with
the thread "Emergency communications", where some CB-hating hams
crossposted their highly subjective and speculative opinions to rrcb.
I'm just here to set the record straight. If you don't want CBers in
this newsgroup then quit crossposting your anti-CB garbage.

That's funny. I checked to see if your post had gone to other groups
before I responded. This was the only newsgroup indicated. There goes
your perfectly good rant.

Dave K8MN

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:49:58 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:27:48 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:


Frank Gilliland wrote:

snip

Typical hammie attitude -- if you're not a ham you're nobody.

I think you have it wrong, Frank.



Oh really.....

Yep, really.



I believe the typical ham attitude
is: If you aren't a ham and persist in posting material about the
wonders of CB radio in an amateur radio group, *then* you're nobody.



That's one of the difference between holy-hammies and CBers; the
holy-hammies begin their statements with "I believe....." while the
CBers start with "The facts are.....".

You're right. I've heard 'em do it--whether they have facts or not.

And the facts are that his discussion began in -this- newsgroup with
the thread "Emergency communications", where some CB-hating hams
crossposted their highly subjective and speculative opinions to rrcb.
I'm just here to set the record straight. If you don't want CBers in
this newsgroup then quit crossposting your anti-CB garbage.

That's funny. I checked to see if your post had gone to other groups
before I responded. This was the only newsgroup indicated. There goes
your perfectly good rant.


You proved my point nicely. Thanks!







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an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Now that I have your posts figured out, I see that you do (or did)
tend to brag quite a bit about being a Marine.

I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.

really ?

more whoopers

"whoopers".

That was "whoppers", Markie, and no, it was true, whether you like
it or not.

Hey, I do it myself.

We did earn it.

earn what?

Since the comments were not (a) directed towards you and (b)
obviously not understood by you, (c) trying to explain them to you
would be a waste of time.

I am sure Frank understood and he as the intended addressee.

But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude.

Again...I don't see myself having "crammed" anything down anyone's
throats, Frank...No more than their lies and deceit have been shoved
down mine.

you make threats and more threats and lies and ....

Nope. Nope. Nope.

Thankfully it's not been a contiguous seven years. Markie was
gone for the longest time. That pretty much left us with Lennie and
Brain. I see my exchanges with them as being somewhat cathartic.

and yet even being gone you continued to falme me from time to time

"falme".

Nope. It's not "falming" if it's true.

Steve, K4YZ

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 15 Aug 2005 15:44:34 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

"K4YZ" wrote:
Steveo wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote:
I wonder why it is that all of the "supporters" that Brain and
Markie can manage are "anonies"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

What's "anonie" about Frank Gilliland?

Just curious that the only "Frank Gilliland" I can find in FCC
files had his license expire over 2 years ago.

Unless it's a middle name or someone forgot to drop a new 610
(605)?

Steve, K4YZ

Who said Frank is in the FCC database? As far as I know he's not a ham
radio operator. That doesn't make him "anonie", does it?

Typical hammie attitude -- if you're not a ham you're nobody.=----

Frank, who said that?

Here's how I see things about newsgroups...It's one thing to go to
a newsgroup about which you have little knowledge or background and say
"I am not a widget fan, but would like to know more about widgets".
Unfortunately THIS newsgroup has attracted more than it's fair share of
non-participants who are here to do nothing but incite discord.

I think that when someone posts in an Amateur Radio newsgroup
about Amateur Radio, it's only natural to kow what that persons
background in it it...Just the same if I was commenting in a Widget
newsgroup.

I'm not a "hammie", nor did I call ANYONE a "nobody", least of all
you.

Semper Fi

Steve, K4YZ