Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 18:55:44 -0700, wrote in
. com:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 16:44:20 -0700, "an_old_friend"
wrote in .com:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 15:15:28 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

an_old_friend wrote:
KY4Z, that great bully and bragard alleegded Marine.....

Really? What units and when?

That is a question we have been asking fro YEARS somehow Stevie never
answers

I don't know why anyone would keep their military service a secret
(unless he's really Ollie North).

He can't. He slipped up one day and said that he was in seven hostile
actions, so everything has been hush hush since then. Len did a nice
expose with respect to Steve's age and the possible periods of service,
and it didn't add up to seven events. In-Your-Face about absolutely
everything else, Steve has yet to set the record straight. Stolen
Valor comes to mind.

I googled a few of his posts. "281.6" isn't a USMC MOS, and even if
there was a typo on his DD-214 he would have known the -correct- MOS
because EVERY Marine knows his or her MOS as well as many of the other
MOS's in the related fields: 0311 = grunt; 2531 = grunt w/radio (aka
"sniper target"); 2511 = pole-jockey; 2811 = wire tech; 2861 = radio
tech (usually some asshole shop chief) 2881 = crypto tech..... well,
you get the idea.

25170, later changed to W1X, with a war planner prefix at the end.

I also noticed he claims to have a good conduct
"medal". No such animal -- it's just a ribbon. Yep, you got him pegged
alright, he's a wannabe warrior.

Maybe, maybe not. But he sure as hell won't expand on his original
slip-up.

No siree.

I'm just interested in clearing his good name. Hi!

And he's got a box full of medals. But they're his "collection," not
actually awarded to him.

I've always been up front about my
service in the USMC:

Plt 2051 out of MCRD San Diego, 1981;
MCCES at MCAGCC (29 Palms), MOS 2841, 1981 to 1983;
3/8 at Camp Geiger (Camp Lejeune's back door), 1983 to 1985;
BLT 3/8, 24th MAU, 1984 (Beirut);

The flag we flew over the former American Embassy in Mogadishu,
December 1992, was last flown in Beirut.

Interesting irony happening there.....

Oh, no. Irony. That's not funny.

2nd AAV, 'Outhouse' Bay (also part of Camp Lejeune) for several months
in 1985 until discharged.

You're in Ohio, right?

Nope, Washington (the state, not the city). But I had a girlfriend in
Ohio once. A real knockout!

I saw in a previous post where you mentioned "Pomeroy." There is a
Pomeroy in Ohio, the only one that I've ever encountered. And I happen
to have a field person with the last name of "Gilliland," the only one
of those I've ever encountered. Fair enough, Washington. Near Whidby?

K4YZ wrote:

I wonder why it is that all of the "supporters" that Brain and
Markie can manage are "anonies"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

A person posting with th[i]er name is anonymous?

Is that anything like being a jerk for not giving someone grief?

You can QRZed "Gilliland" and find Frank on there. But you'll have to
do the "leg" work yourself.

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:31:42 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

On 15 Aug 2005 01:17:59 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 18:55:44 -0700, wrote in
. com:

He can't. He slipped up one day and said that he was in seven hosti=
le
actions, so everything has been hush hush since then. Len did a nice
expose with respect to Steve's age and the possible periods of servi=
ce,
and it didn't add up to seven events. In-Your-Face about absolutely
everything else, Steve has yet to set the record straight. Stolen
Valor comes to mind.

I googled a few of his posts. "281.6" isn't a USMC MOS...(SNIP)

What ever you were "Googling", Frank, it wasn't one of MY posts.

All of my MOS's except one started 63xx or 66xx. 8981 was the
fifth.

Most likely you hit one of Lennie's posts wherein he cited one of
his 1950's era MOS's...


Yep. It's been a long day.


I now see the source of my confusion -- those posts would have been a
lot easier to read (i.e, figure out who said what) if you had learned
a little earlier about the standard newsgroup quoting protocol (using
an arrow, , at the beginning of a quoted line).

Now that I have your posts figured out, I see that you do (or did)
tend to brag quite a bit about being a Marine. Hey, I do it myself.
But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude. It's not
your fault, it's not their fault. Wanna blame somebody? Blame the
government -- they tell the military to recruit kids, culture-shock
them into hard-core killing machines, then when their service is
completed dump them back into the civilian population without any sort
of de-programming or re-integration phase.

But Steve claims he's had therapy in conjunction with his early release
from active duty...

It's not so suprising that
there are a disproportionate number of homeless people that are vets
when you realize that most of them simply never adjusted to civilian
life.....

Anyway, I'm done ranting. Looks like you have been in a flame war with
this guy for over seven years..... do you actually enjoy it? Do you
think you are winning? Or haven't you ever heard of a killfile?

Steve has been in flame wars with multitudes of amateurs and one
professional. Most have grown tired of the harrassment, and have left
the group. It is his reason for being.

an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:31:42 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

On 15 Aug 2005 01:17:59 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 18:55:44 -0700, wro=
te in
. com:

He can't. He slipped up one day and said that he was in seven h=
ostile
actions, so everything has been hush hush since then. Len did a=
nice
expose with respect to Steve's age and the possible periods of s=
ervice,
and it didn't add up to seven events. In-Your-Face about absolu=
tely
everything else, Steve has yet to set the record straight. Stol=
en
Valor comes to mind.

I googled a few of his posts. "281.6" isn't a USMC MOS...(SNIP)

What ever you were "Googling", Frank, it wasn't one of MY posts.

All of my MOS's except one started 63xx or 66xx. 8981 was the
fifth.

Most likely you hit one of Lennie's posts wherein he cited one =
of
his 1950's era MOS's...


Yep. It's been a long day.


I now see the source of my confusion -- those posts would have been a
lot easier to read (i.e, figure out who said what) if you had learned
a little earlier about the standard newsgroup quoting protocol (using
an arrow, , at the beginning of a quoted line).

Thanks for stopping by almost eight years later and letting me
know, Frank.

Now that I have your posts figured out, I see that you do (or did)
tend to brag quite a bit about being a Marine.

I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.

really ?

more whoopers

Alla time.

Hey, I do it myself.

We did earn it.

earn what?

Longevity award?

But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude.

Again...I don't see myself having "crammed" anything down anyone's
throats, Frank...No more than their lies and deceit have been shoved
down mine.

you make threats and more threats and lies and ....

..=2E.Crams his lies down our throats.

It's not
your fault, it's not their fault. Wanna blame somebody? Blame the
government -- they tell the military to recruit kids, culture-shock
them into hard-core killing machines, then when their service is
completed dump them back into the civilian population without any sort
of de-programming or re-integration phase. It's not so suprising that
there are a disproportionate number of homeless people that are vets
when you realize that most of them simply never adjusted to civilian
life.....

Anyway, I'm done ranting. Looks like you have been in a flame war with
this guy for over seven years..... do you actually enjoy it? Do you
think you are winning? Or haven't you ever heard of a killfile?

Thankfully it's not been a contiguous seven years. Markie was
gone for the longest time. That pretty much left us with Lennie and
Brain. I see my exchanges with them as being somewhat cathartic.

and yet even being gone you continued to falme me from time to time

There have been others. Many others. Most let Steve run them off. I
don't.

So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.

wrote:[i]
K4YZ wrote:

I wonder why it is that all of the "supporters" that Brain and
Markie can manage are "anonies"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

A person posting with ther name is anonymous?

Is that anything like being a jerk for not giving someone grief?

You can QRZed "Gilliland" and find Frank on there. But you'll have to
do the "leg" work yourself.

And so Steve does his own "leg" work, is offered two "Frank Gilliland"
choices, and chooses the wrong one! Hi! Gotta love the odds.

On 17 Aug 2005 18:19:28 -0700, wrote in
.com:

snip
So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.


Try "I am not a ham"..... N7VCF lives on the soggy side of the state.






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Hmmmm:

Webbed feet then? A mud duck? CB'er-type-grin

John

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:53:17 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote:

On 17 Aug 2005 18:19:28 -0700, wrote in
.com:

snip
So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.


Try "I am not a ham"..... N7VCF lives on the soggy side of the state.






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wrote:[i]
wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

I wonder why it is that all of the "supporters" that Brain and
Markie can manage are "anonies"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

A person posting with ther name is anonymous?

Is that anything like being a jerk for not giving someone grief?

You can QRZed "Gilliland" and find Frank on there. But you'll have to
do the "leg" work yourself.


And so Steve does his own "leg" work, is offered two "Frank Gilliland"
choices, and chooses the wrong one! Hi! Gotta love the odds.

After Frank's post, I suppose you're feeling like a complete fool.

Dave K8MN

wrote:[i]
wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

I wonder why it is that all of the "supporters" that Brain and
Markie can manage are "anonies"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

A person posting with ther name is anonymous?

Is that anything like being a jerk for not giving someone grief?

You can QRZed "Gilliland" and find Frank on there. But you'll have to
do the "leg" work yourself.

And so Steve does his own "leg" work, is offered two "Frank Gilliland"
choices, and chooses the wrong one! Hi! Gotta love the odds.

Only 50/50. Not bad percentage.

Of course my percentages soar when scoring my hits against your
stories and fantasies, Brain.

Ya can't win 'em all!

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:

I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.

really ?

more whoopers

Alla time.

Such as?

True, I won't discuss my seervice in the Corps, however they pale
against such heroics as illegally operating from Somalia and such
outrageous stories as the ones you've cooked up vis-a-vis ARES, MARS
(mostly trying to diss me on it), emergtency comms planning, etc, etc
etc.

Hey, I do it myself.

We did earn it.

earn what?

Longevity award?

Nope. The right to be addressed as "Marine".

But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude.

Again...I don't see myself having "crammed" anything down anyone's
throats, Frank...No more than their lies and deceit have been shoved
down mine.

you make threats and more threats and lies and ....

...Crams his lies down our throats.

What lies, Brain?

You keep making these insinuations about all of these "lies" (the
infamous '29') but you never detail them or substantiate them.

Thankfully it's not been a contiguous seven years. Markie was
gone for the longest time. That pretty much left us with Lennie and
Brain. I see my exchanges with them as being somewhat cathartic.

and yet even being gone you continued to falme me from time to time

There have been others. Many others. Most let Steve run them off. I
don't.

Nope...pretty much just the four of you...We can add Vippy in
there, but he comes and goes of his own volition.

So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.

Seems you're no better at getting it right than I was, Brain.

Steve, K4YZ