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Frank Gilliland wrote: I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. Stolen Valor comes to mind when Steve slipped about his "seven hostile actions." |
an_old_friend wrote: KY4Z wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Stevie has for some time been spearding the Lie that he could o something to more than anoy for what he sees as many and manifold sins cuting spelling cop No lies, Markie...Except from you. 9 Days ago I demanded he put up or shut up, I'd prfer of course that he shut up, but it was his choice. cuting more speling cop Mark, how many days do you think Steve can hold out before he starts telling truths? |
From: Frank Gilliland on Aug 21, 6:37 am
On 21 Aug 2005 04:39:01 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in snip Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. BBWWWWWWWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Thank you for that passive-agressive response; it did much to confirm my suspicions. You are quite right in your suspicions, Frank. You will note that Robeson, when challenged, will immediately go into deliberate misdirection with his hyena laughter or the accusations of some sort of personal perfidy. It's almost SOP for him. After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? Well, "Frank", you have the same OFFICIAL resources at your disposal as I do, Even more than you might expect. :-) so I recommend you use them instead, rather than making foolish statements that land you squarely in the "running my mouth off without adequate substantiation of my position" behind them! I call it like I see it. We all do. :-) snip BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? Whelp, all I can say is use some of those same OFFICIAL sources to keep from looking like a fool, Frank. But I'd also say "hurry" because your credibility is slipping. More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response, trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. :-( I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my work, including field trips to the military installations and being around servicemen IN radio-electronics. Earlier on, Robeson tried to avoid naming anything by stating "he couldn't give away any secrets." A rather stupid remark in iteself since the NAMES of radio-electronics equipment has NOT been secret, has been published in Defense Electronics trade magazine, been on the various branches' procurement IFBs (Invitation For Bid), government reports, and so forth. Their names, general function, all have been on public documents for a half century. Brochures and pamphlets have been released for publication about many forms of communications, done by military units themselves...one of which is the main part of: http://kauko.hallikainen.org/history...phabetsoup.pdf Robeson couldn't even name the very common all-service small-unit radio of his early time, the AN/PRC-25 or PRC-77. Only an eighth of a million of those two types were produced. He couldn't recall a single airborne radio name, not even the venerable AN/ARC-27 (before his time, really) or the (after his time) AN/ARC-210. He didn't know the SINCGARS family of all-service small-unit radios even though a quarter million sets were produced between 1989 and 2004. Radios. Military radios. "Not known" by someone who had been in the Corps for 18 years, claiming to be "in" radio communications? Highly unlikely. None of the "military radio experience" posters in here knew the military designation of the Collins KWM-2 transceiver, often used in MARS operations in Vietnam. A ham, an Extra, who isn't familiar with Collins Radios? Highly unlikely. In much earlier newsgroup postings, Robeson stated he had a medical discharge to explain not completing a full 20 years, "due to an accident." Then, after several days, he changed that to "honorable" claiming it was "changed later" by some unspecified authority. Medical discharges are given for a variety of reasons, not always due to physical disabilities. [that's in Google archives] Robeson has consistently tried to make fun of others' military assignments, claiming his (classic) been in "seven hostile actions." First of all servicemenbers don't have any choice of what they do, they go and do whatever they are assigned, wherever commanded. Only one out of about seven military land forces, Army or Marines, are IN any combat zone or actual fighting territory during a "hostile action." Second, Robeson has NEVER DEFINED HIS "hostile action" in any specifics as to WHEN and WHERE. He has glossed it over in generalities "explaining" that he "knows it and need not explain it to us." He usually remarks that HE has the "documentation" for it but it remains unseen by the rest of us. He postures and preens, implies greatness but without details. In other words, BS. A classic case of Robeson's word-twisting is his "dishonoring" charge that I "embellish my military career" by honoring the 19 members of my Signal Battalion killed in a transport crash on 1 July 1950, three years before I was assigned to that Battalion. "My" battalion lost 4 more afterwards. I have a list of all those names, even their ASNs (Army Serial Numbers) and honor them especially every Memorial Day when I join other veterans in Memorial Day ceremonies, even for simple things like putting flags on their gravesites. That sort of word- twisting has become common to Robeson's postings in here, an extreme sensitivity (or volatility) to anything negative against his words spat out in a flurry of personal insults. Take his use of the word "Putz" above his message signatures. He isn't of a Yiddish ethnic group, isn't a Jew, yet he uses a Yiddish pejorative freely as if he were. [as a pejorative it means "penis head" in reference to one who can only think with his penis] That four-letter word is "acceptible" yet if another poster is quoted using four-letter words they are octothorped-out (the octothorpe or # symbol replacing the letters). This fierce warrior, self-promoted "seven hostile action" implied hero can't even swear like a Marine among other veterans? Highly unlikely. :-) Phrases and euphemisms identified with the USMC are easy to get in literature and from TV and movies (tons of that material). Using such things is also easy enough to do...in generalities. Imposters slip up when confronted with DETAILS or specific-time/era-use phrases that weren't familiar to the pharse-user's time. Robeson is big on generalities, very short on specifics. Robeson wants to be a Big Name. Any which way he can. He is military-minded, with any photo of him on the 'web IN UNIFORM of some sort, green scrubs to CAP-patched flight suit. He is an amateur extra, yet never worked IN military radio comms. He bragged of having a civilian private pilot's license before joining the Corps yet never became Air Crew in the Corps. He uses phrases like "pilot in command" of a general aviation single-engine aircraft like he was the commander of a 747. :-) He gets what he probably wanted all the time - ATTENTION. He manages to cuss out every one of his opponents in any thread, turning that thread into a running battle of Stebie FIGHTS The World...heaping abuse on his "opponents" as if his life depends on it. Maybe it does. TEM fry |
From: on Aug 21, 10:34 am
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. He does that with his threats, too. "Bricks through windows, slashed tires, and terrorized wives." I think he's a creep. Don't forget the "...just a few ounces of pressure" classic, or "I will be up your way soon [and confront you]" impled threat, or "I only have to pick up a phone and my authority will have you picked up!" (which I think is the topper of them all). So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? Steve has almost total fixation with Len's "putz." Jealousy? :-) He frequenly used phrases like "bunk-buddy" "in bed with" when referring to two men. Oy, veh, such a schlemiel! :-) [has Stebie been to Temple yet?] BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? I'm still waiting to hear Steve's war stories about his claimed "seven hostile actions." The Stolen Valor investigators might be interested. Maybe we could get the producers of "CSI" to do a special episode on the resolution of all this? Get him on the stainless steel "bed" and do a Y-cut to check his innards? Or maybe the Home and Garden TV Channel for a special Lawn Order show? :-) [I find more entertainment in watching my hard disk defrag...:-) ] gun poo |
From: John Smith on Aug 21, 2:12 pm
Len: We share the same fondness for stories of fiction, daredevils and men saving the world with a brass key. "Fondness" is a bit strong for me... :-) A GOOD tall tale is fun. Too many tales in one place and you've got a conclave of coders. Secret agent types who the gov't has hidden away in secret and strategic positions on this planet--posing under the guise of amateur radio operators with hobby permits... In an "undisclosed location" (next door to Dick Cheney). Ready and waiting to SAVE THE WORLD from terrorists!!! Diabolical, don't ya think? Those stupid terrorists probably don't even have a clue!!! Machiavellian in concept. :-) Of course, those terrorists are already stupid, so the whole thing is just a sequel to "Dumb and Dumber." :-) Maybe we could get the producers of "CSI" to do a special episode on the resolution of all this? Get him on the stainless steel "bed" and do a Y-cut to check his innards? Or maybe the Home and Garden TV Channel for a special Lawn Order show? :-) [I find more entertainment in watching my hard disk defrag...:-) ] Actually, I should stay with HGTV. I can drive over to the Media Center studios (its on the same street as the Hill Street Cafe) and talk to Carol Duvall on it. She could have all these cut-ups on her Arts & Crafts show! Ah, something to do on Monday! Has possibilities! :-) vid biz |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 04:39:01 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in . com: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: snip Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. BBWWWWWWWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Thank you for that passive-agressive response; it did much to confirm my suspicions. I am sure it did. But then I am beginning to see a pattern too... After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? Well, "Frank", you have the same OFFICIAL resources at your disposal as I do, Even more than you might expect. so I recommend you use them instead, rather than making foolish statements that land you squarely in the "running my mouth off without adequate substantiation of my position" behind them! I call it like I see it. Then your vision is in need os assessment by a good opthamologist of your choice. Several of my "buds" (with whom I still stay in contact with) from the MCAS El Toro Aero Club were tracks and armor guys from Pendleton. ....."armor guys"? Uh huh...Neat thing, military aeroclubs. The person sitting next to you might be fresh off the yellow foot prints or wear stars on thier collar. What are the odds if I say "Who's Frank Gilliland and what did he do for the Marines?" that they'll shrug their shoulders and say "Frank who...?!?!" You never know. Quite a few friends from boot camp ended up at Pendleton (including one of the Marines currently on active-duty that I contacted), and I was with 2nd AAV for almost a year. I also used to hang out with some of the tankers at Stumps. Don't forget that there weren't too many Marines in garrison after Viet-Nam, and techs were an even smaller group. If you know a radio tech from tanks or amtraks at the same time I was in then there's a real possibility he knows me or I know him (or her, although most WM techs were sent to 4th or 5th echelon stations). Heck, I even know a couple that got stationed in Hawaii, the lucky *******s! But it might help to mention that I went to GRRC at Stumps with the late Cpl. Moses Arnold -- the "class clown", and truly one of the nicest guys you could ever meet (yeah, people say that casually about a lot of people but Moses earned it). To make things even easier for you, would it help if I provided a list of recruits from my platoon at MCRD? Or the Marines from the BE and GRRC classes at MCCES? Or from the Comm Platoons at 3/8 or 2nd AAV? It's not a problem since I remember almost all their names. Most Marines do, which is why I don't think you will have much of a problem finding at least one or two that remember me. So feel free to check with your fellow Marines (assuming, of course, you are telling the truth). My I draw your obviously tainted opinon to SSGT selection board of 1983, Precendent number 60A. You may also refer to the Gunnery Sergeant selection board of 1987. To be truthful, I forgot my precedent number on that one but it was high due to the overlap with the previous years promotions. And if you happen to doubt -my- service in the USMC...(SNIP) No...but I doubt your understanding of the motto "Semper Fidelis". I also question your motives in this forum. So far, nothing relevent, other than catching the back of guys who are archived chronic liars. BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? Whelp, all I can say is use some of those same OFFICIAL sources to keep from looking like a fool, Frank. But I'd also say "hurry" because your credibility is slipping. I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. And I told you if you'd care to e-mail me directly I'd be glad to give it to you off-group. I've explained my reasons for doing so. Steve, K4YZ |
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On 21 Aug 2005 13:19:18 -0700, wrote in
. com: snip Robeson couldn't even name the very common all-service small-unit radio of his early time, the AN/PRC-25 or PRC-77. I wouldn't call it "small" -- those puppies get mighty heavy on a forced march. A "small" radio would be the PRC-68. But the RT-841 (the RT used for the PRC-77) was the bread and butter of ground radio comm. snip In much earlier newsgroup postings, Robeson stated he had a medical discharge to explain not completing a full 20 years, "due to an accident." Then, after several days, he changed that to "honorable" claiming it was "changed later" by some unspecified authority. Medical discharges are given for a variety of reasons, not always due to physical disabilities. [that's in Google archives] A medical discharge is an administrative, or "general", discharge "under honorable conditions". They are not changed to "honorable" unless there were mitigating circumstances that led to the original discharge being incorrect. But there is no way he would have been granted retirement benefits without serving the full 20 years. (And BTW, the rank of Gy.Sgt. is pretty low for retired enlisted.) Robeson has consistently tried to make fun of others' military assignments, claiming his (classic) been in "seven hostile actions." I can't find that post. First of all servicemenbers don't have any choice of what they do, they go and do whatever they are assigned, wherever commanded. Upon completion of MOS training, some are allowed to request a particular duty station at first. Sometimes that request is granted. After that it's a crap shoot. snip This fierce warrior, self-promoted "seven hostile action" implied hero can't even swear like a Marine among other veterans? Highly unlikely. :-) In all fairness, I knew quite a few Marines that didn't swear. Phrases and euphemisms identified with the USMC are easy to get in literature and from TV and movies (tons of that material). Very easy. What's missing from his stories are unique experiences. Using such things is also easy enough to do...in generalities. Imposters slip up when confronted with DETAILS or specific-time/era-use phrases that weren't familiar to the pharse-user's time. Robeson is big on generalities, very short on specifics. Robeson wants to be a Big Name. Any which way he can. He is military-minded, with any photo of him on the 'web IN UNIFORM of some sort, green scrubs to CAP-patched flight suit. He is an amateur extra, yet never worked IN military radio comms. He bragged of having a civilian private pilot's license before joining the Corps yet never became Air Crew in the Corps. I got to fly a Huey for about 5 seconds, then the pilot pulled us out of the spin. I've heard it said that flying a helicopter is like roller-skating on a greased bowling ball. I agree. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On 21 Aug 2005 16:28:13 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com: snip ....."armor guys"? Uh huh...Neat thing, military aeroclubs. The person sitting next to you might be fresh off the yellow foot prints or wear stars on thier collar. I think you referred to yellow footprints in an earlier post. That's interesting since I didn't even remember they were yellow until I looked in my boot camp 'yearbook'. After that I started remembering all kinds of things about receiving, like the lines on the floor, the overwhelming smell of brasso and dura-glit, and blood on the shower room floor because some of those guys didn't even know how to shave. snip My I draw your obviously tainted opinon to SSGT selection board of 1983, Precendent number 60A. You may also refer to the Gunnery Sergeant selection board of 1987. To be truthful, I forgot my precedent number on that one but it was high due to the overlap with the previous years promotions. What you can't understand is that we all know the public DOD files only have the name, rank, service, MOS, and sometimes the hometown. That's far from a definitive identification since anyone with the same name can 'steal' that serviceman's identity and make up the rest. Like when someone writes me a check and I go to their bank to cash it. I stand there with a camera in my face while they ask me for two pieces of ID and a thumbprint. One day I asked them how they can verify that I'm the same Frank Gilliland to whom the check was written (since there are at least three of us in this town). After a Bush-long pause the teller finally admitted that he couldn't make that distinction. Duh. And if you happen to doubt -my- service in the USMC...(SNIP) No...but I doubt your understanding of the motto "Semper Fidelis". Prove you were a Marine and I'll vanish those doubts. I also question your motives in this forum. So far, nothing relevent, other than catching the back of guys who are archived chronic liars. yada, yada, yada. BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? Whelp, all I can say is use some of those same OFFICIAL sources to keep from looking like a fool, Frank. But I'd also say "hurry" because your credibility is slipping. I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. And I told you if you'd care to e-mail me directly I'd be glad to give it to you off-group. I've explained my reasons for doing so. And I questioned why your military service is so secret. That's why I alluded to "Col. Vinson at Ft. Gordon", which you obviously didn't understand but should have. You can email -me- if you want but don't expect me to keep anything you say quiet if you fail to verify your story. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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