On 22 Aug 2005 19:59:04 -0700, "an_old_friend"
wrote in . com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 22 Aug 2005 07:51:25 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
massive cut

Blah, blah, blah. You've been both outed and spanked. Either fess up
or shut up.

please don't hold your breath


I won't. My guess is that he'll fabricate more lame excuses and/or
whine a lot. That tactic might work with his mommy but not with me.








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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 22 Aug 2005 07:51:25 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
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Blah, blah, blah. You've been both outed and spanked. Either fess up
or shut up.

please don't hold your breath








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From: K4YZ on Aug 22, 4:42 pm

wrote:
From: K4YZ on Aug 22, 7:35 am

Now YOU NAME this "now-PhD who knew me" back 33 1/2 years ago or
admit it was all a weird FABRICATION of yours. Your choice.
You haven't given detail One on this fabricated individual other
than glossed-over generalities and dire implications.

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffff?fffft.

No fabrication.

PURE FABRICATION. YOU LIE.

IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT...YOU LIE.

STEBIE LIES.


Sorry you don't like it.

It doesn't bother me because your FABRICATION doesn't exist in
the real world.

You're imaginary creatures take up space in here. Sometimes a
few of us feel we have to remind you of your FANTASIES at work
and hope you return to reality.

I'll give you the name just as soon as I see your "Extra Lite" hit
the FCC database, Lennie.

YOU CAN'T because that FABRICATION doesn't exist.

YOU LIE.

IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

Tsk, you've "accused" Frank Gilliland of "making things up" yet
that is what YOU have been doing for years in here!

Nope.

YOU ARE SICK. MENTALLY INCOMPETENT TO EXIST IN REALITY.

YOU LIE CONSTANTLY, YOU INSULT OTHERS CONSTANTLY.

YOU ARE SICK.

IT IS SIMPLE AS THAT.

GET HELP. IF NOT FOR YOURSELF, YOUR FAMILY OF TWO.

STOP SPAMMING US WITH YOUR FAIRY STORIES, CORPSMAN.

YOU ARE A DISCREDIT TO THE USMC, THE MILITARY OF THE UNITED STATES.

bye bye

From: Frank Gilliland on Aug 22, 7:44 pm

On 22 Aug 2005 07:51:25 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:28:13 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in



I know who Col Vinson was and I know where Ft Gordon is. Never
served with him/for him/within 100 miles of him.

And here is where your lies finally come to an end. If -you- were in
avionics in the 80's then you most certainly -DID- 'serve' under
"Colonel Vinson"...... who, BTW, is not a real person, and you would
have known that if your story was true. VINSON was the crypto system
that was used for almost all radio equipment in that era, and EVERY
tech -- avionics AND ground -- was trained to do first and second
echelon repairs on that equipment. You could have easily replied with
"KY-58" (the avionics equivalent of the KY-57), or KYK-13 (key holder
used for both). But you didn't even recognize the name VINSON even in
context with Ft. Gordon, home of the crypto schools.

You had several chances, "Steve"..... you flunked.

Flunked badly enough to be terminated without prejudice.

I loved that "Colonel Vinson" sentence of yours and was getting
tired waiting for Stebie's bluffing reply to show up. :-)
Stebie was bluffing along, trying to take advantage of so very
few in here knowing anything about military electronics or
practices.

He's failed to respond to "KIR" and "KIT" that I mentioned a few
years ago...apparently NOT knowing that they set the codes for
the common IFF transponder on nearly all military aircraft.

And BTW, the info above isn't much of a secret since Time magazine put
a picture of a KY-57 on the front cover back in '83 -- nice pic of a
Beirut Marine next to a jeep with a VRC-12.

VERY little of the outside of those "K" boxes have been "secret"
nor have the names. Some of the insides are, obviously, but
not names or contract numbers for production nor contract monies
for those contracts. All public knowledge.

Back around 1996 (?) the Army released for PUBLIC DISSEMINATION
the "catalog" of land-forces Signal equipment, FM 24-24. It is
open for public viewing at the Army's Training and Doctrine
Command Digital Library. At least two ham websites have links
to those PDF chapters for free downloads. Nearly ALL signal
equipment is described in there with pictures and all that. :-)

Nowadays, though, COMSEC is being built-in such as in the SIP
version of SINCGARS ground-air transceivers and the new
AN/PRC-150 IHFR (Improved HF Radio) now under contract to Harris.
See AN/ARC-210 for the SIP (SINCGARS Improvement Program)
version of that for aircraft.

Again...colorful. Clancyesque.

You and fiction seem to get along quite well.

Stebie just doesn't know what he thinks he is talking about. :-)

He once tried to spew insults about my "not knowing civilian
avionics" (despite my having been IN that line of work) and
took to task my "faulty" description of civilian VOR. Never
mind that VOR (I consider elegant in simplicity for the tube
era) was conceived, tested, and found acceptible for the
international air community in the 1950s. Likewise, he
didn't speak out when I mentioned "Mode 4" for IFF transponders.

He just doesn't mention ANYTHING in regards to military radio-
electronics systems, no details, no names of any kind. At best
he once talked about two civilian radios supposedly at the
Okinawa MARS location where he claimed to be "Assistant NCOIC"
(as if they had so many that they needed "assistant" titles).

That you attempt to diminish my military service simply because I
do not wish to discuss it in this forum like Lennie's rantings, or like
some drunk at the end of the bar at 3AM only further substantiates MY
claim that your motives here have nothing to do with Amateur Radio,
have more to do with being argumenative, and are dubious at best.

Blah, blah, blah. You've been both outed and spanked. Either fess up
or shut up.

I predict Stebie will do neither. He can't admit to duplicity
(he is too deep now to have any chance of backing out) and he
doesn't ever admit to any wrongdoing (his duplicity depends on
him giving the impression he is always right).

If Stebie LIES about his military "radio experience" then it is
almost a sure bet he LIES about amateur radio experience.

What we CAN bank on is a series of personal insults directed at
his "opponents" that challenge him. Standard Operating Procedure.

lie SOP

From: Frank Gilliland on Aug 22, 7:44 pm

On 22 Aug 2005 07:51:25 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:28:13 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in



I know who Col Vinson was and I know where Ft Gordon is. Never
served with him/for him/within 100 miles of him.

And here is where your lies finally come to an end. If -you- were in
avionics in the 80's then you most certainly -DID- 'serve' under
"Colonel Vinson"...... who, BTW, is not a real person, and you would
have known that if your story was true. VINSON was the crypto system
that was used for almost all radio equipment in that era, and EVERY
tech -- avionics AND ground -- was trained to do first and second
echelon repairs on that equipment. You could have easily replied with
"KY-58" (the avionics equivalent of the KY-57), or KYK-13 (key holder
used for both). But you didn't even recognize the name VINSON even in
context with Ft. Gordon, home of the crypto schools.

You had several chances, "Steve"..... you flunked.

Flunked badly enough to be terminated without prejudice.

I loved that "Colonel Vinson" sentence of yours and was getting
tired waiting for Stebie's bluffing reply to show up. :-)
Stebie was bluffing along, trying to take advantage of so very
few in here knowing anything about military electronics or
practices.

He's failed to respond to "KIR" and "KIT" that I mentioned a few
years ago...apparently NOT knowing that they set the codes for
the common IFF transponder on nearly all military aircraft.

And BTW, the info above isn't much of a secret since Time magazine put
a picture of a KY-57 on the front cover back in '83 -- nice pic of a
Beirut Marine next to a jeep with a VRC-12.

VERY little of the outside of those "K" boxes have been "secret"
nor have the names. Some of the insides are, obviously, but
not names or contract numbers for production nor contract monies
for those contracts. All public knowledge.

Back around 1996 (?) the Army released for PUBLIC DISSEMINATION
the "catalog" of land-forces Signal equipment, FM 24-24. It is
open for public viewing at the Army's Training and Doctrine
Command Digital Library. At least two ham websites have links
to those PDF chapters for free downloads. Nearly ALL signal
equipment is described in there with pictures and all that. :-)

Nowadays, though, COMSEC is being built-in such as in the SIP
version of SINCGARS ground-air transceivers and the new
AN/PRC-150 IHFR (Improved HF Radio) now under contract to Harris.
See AN/ARC-210 for the SIP (SINCGARS Improvement Program)
version of that for aircraft.

Again...colorful. Clancyesque.

You and fiction seem to get along quite well.

Stebie just doesn't know what he thinks he is talking about. :-)

He once tried to spew insults about my "not knowing civilian
avionics" (despite my having been IN that line of work) and
took to task my "faulty" description of civilian VOR. Never
mind that VOR (I consider elegant in simplicity for the tube
era) was conceived, tested, and found acceptible for the
international air community in the 1950s. Likewise, he
didn't speak out when I mentioned "Mode 4" for IFF transponders.

He just doesn't mention ANYTHING in regards to military radio-
electronics systems, no details, no names of any kind. At best
he once talked about two civilian radios supposedly at the
Okinawa MARS location where he claimed to be "Assistant NCOIC"
(as if they had so many that they needed "assistant" titles).

That you attempt to diminish my military service simply because I
do not wish to discuss it in this forum like Lennie's rantings, or like
some drunk at the end of the bar at 3AM only further substantiates MY
claim that your motives here have nothing to do with Amateur Radio,
have more to do with being argumenative, and are dubious at best.

Blah, blah, blah. You've been both outed and spanked. Either fess up
or shut up.

I predict Stebie will do neither. He can't admit to duplicity
(he is too deep now to have any chance of backing out) and he
doesn't ever admit to any wrongdoing (his duplicity depends on
him giving the impression he is always right).

If Stebie LIES about his military "radio experience" then it is
almost a sure bet he LIES about amateur radio experience.

What we CAN bank on is a series of personal insults directed at
his "opponents" that challenge him. Standard Operating Procedure.

lie SOP

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Sun 21 Aug 2005 20:33

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
wrote:


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.

Nope.

As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough
information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of
intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate.

"...insinuations of intimacy with..."? :-)

Whenever Steve sees two mens names side by side, he see a love
connection. Hope he never visits the Vietnam War Memorial.

As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics,
the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and
it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter
how objective or reliable the corroborating source is.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. We all "must" accept Stebie's "word" on HIS
service, yet all he can do is shout "call the VA!" :-)

"It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating
source is..." if its against what Stebie said or if Stebie no
like it, it is a "LIE." :-)

Poor Stebie...he can't stand up to scrutiny and his "respone" is
to heap abuse on the personals of his challengers.

Steve is finally getting the attention that he seeks.

I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me
directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You
didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately.

Stebie, it takes as much time to write a single private e-mail
as it does to write a PUBLIC posting in here. Just write your
response IN PUBLIC if you want to be believed. That way anyone
can check it out as they wish. If it is verifiable, it will be
be believed. If it isn't verifiable, then you are just making
with a Confidence Game piece of BS.

He can't. After his widespread claims of seven hostile actions, he'll
never be able to show his records because they will prove that there
were no hostile actions.

This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and
I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you
and one of the Infamous Four.

"...close relationship?!?" :-)

Probably a love quadrangle.

Anyone can "research headers" and find the ISP of a poster, and
that's about IT. :-)

Sorry, little Stebie, but nobody has hacked the IEEE website
for the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers
professional association. I may be the only one with that
"header origin." I have NO "relationship" with Frank, with Mark
or with Brian Burke, or Todd, don't know them personally, haven't
met them, don't even live close to them (don't know where Frank
lives, but that is irrelevant). WE all SHARE a feeling that all
you do is lay down a Snow Job, A Con Game Scam, lots of BS, and
a bunch of other nefarious braggadoccio. shrug

A hugely useless effort because none of it is credible.

Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant
credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no
where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with
impeccable "references", yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT
Amateur Radio policy.

Tell us how the USMC "career" of Stebie Robeson "affects amateur
radio policy?" :-)

Tell us how the Civil Air Patrol "pilot in command" experience
relates to amateur radio policy? :-)

Tell us how being "A" NCOIC (or probably not being "A" NCOIC) of
Okinawa MARS relates to amateur radio policy?

Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.

Poor baby, feeling worried are you?

Steve knows that Frank knows his game.

YOU just POST some verifiable REAL claims to your statements in
order to be believed. So far all you've done is shout "call the
VA!" [the VA will NOT divulge details unless one is a family
member or a reputable, verifiable personnel department of a
company or a verifiable agent of a police force]

You could digitize your DD214 and have it available for private
e-mail (this newsgroup doesn't carry binaries) to PROVE your
military release from active duty. It's only one page long.
But, you won't, claiming some "personal outrage" at having to
do such a thing! Oh, my. We are all supposed to BELIEVE you,
right? While everyone else not believing you LIES?" :-)

con gam


I don't beleive him. Too much sewage under the bridge.

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 22 Aug 2005 07:35:29 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in

You demonstrate lapses in proper USMC etiquette


......say WHAT?

Wink, wink. You're supposed to give Steve a pass because he's a fellow
Marine.

Yep, you're right..... I bypassed boot camp, went straight to AAVs,
stayed there until my discharge, and never spoke to anyone outside the
unit. Sure thing, Steve.

Right.

Frank Gilliland wrote:

snip
Assuming you really
-are- who you claim, you sure are setting a -=BAD=- example of the
discipline both required and expected of a retired Marine Gunny of 18
years (which is bull**** in and of itself) by wasting so much time
engaging in flame wars on Usenet. I can get away with it because I was
a ****bird..... but you? Heck, if I was USMC retired and behaving the
way you do I'd go outside and kick my -own- ass out of respect for the
Corps. And -THAT'S- what Semper Fidelis means, Steve.

;^))

And here is where your lies finally come to an end. If -you- were in
avionics in the 80's then you most certainly -DID- 'serve' under
"Colonel Vinson"...... who, BTW, is not a real person, and you would
have known that if your story was true. VINSON was the crypto system
that was used for almost all radio equipment in that era, and EVERY
tech -- avionics AND ground -- was trained to do first and second
echelon repairs on that equipment. You could have easily replied with
"KY-58" (the avionics equivalent of the KY-57), or KYK-13 (key holder
used for both). But you didn't even recognize the name VINSON even in
context with Ft. Gordon, home of the crypto schools.

VINSON! I remember those. The 2ID provided us with aviation,
mobile/tactical radios. The kick13 was on a sweatty piece of parachute
cord that got passed from shift to shift; had to wear it on my neck.
The QRCT HF system also required a ky58, though the depot was Ft Gillem
(brac?).

What were the little tear-off code pages called?

KAC? Authenticate.

Haven't thought about that stuff in years.

Blah, blah, blah. You've been both outed and spanked. Either fess up
or shut up.

Thank you.

On 23 Aug 2005 18:47:00 -0700, wrote in
. com:

snip
VINSON! I remember those. The 2ID provided us with aviation,
mobile/tactical radios. The kick13 was on a sweatty piece of parachute
cord that got passed from shift to shift; had to wear it on my neck.
The QRCT HF system also required a ky58, though the depot was Ft Gillem
(brac?).


1st & 2nd echelon repair (USMC, ground) was taught at MCAGCC; 3rd
through 5th was taught at Ft. Gordon for all branches.


What were the little tear-off code pages called?


Emergency toilet paper? Beats me. I was a tech, not an operator.







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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 22 Aug 2005 07:35:29 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

And all your ranting has done nothing to resolve the topic of this
discussion. If you can think of anything that would make me believe
that you were in the USMC then feel free to speak up. Otherwise, it
looks like you are just stalling -- making excuses, obfuscating,
changing topics -- in hopes that I'll give up and leave.

Oh no, don't leave, "Frank"...

Where did I say I was going to leave? I didn't. It was just wishful
thinking on your behalf.

I guess "sarcasm" is a concept beyond you...

It just makes the LennieRants more colorful.

Lesssee...You claim I've given you nothing but vague information,
yet you refuse to e mail me directly and get "the details"...

All I was looking for was a simple tidbit of info that only a Marine
would know, but that seems to be beyond your capabilities. But it
doesn't matter anymore...... see my other post.

Why? It's just as deceitful as these...

Furthermore, I've given you MORE than enough to verify my duty
without giving you my SSAN to do it with.

I don't need your SSN, nor did I ask for it. What's your obsession
with your SSn?

It's not MY obsession, "Frank"...It's everyone elses...

I geive everything EXCEPT my service number and everyone else says
taht without that I could be "lying" since noting "precise" can be

You demonstrate lapses in proper USMC etiquette

......say WHAT?

You heard me ClancyBoy.

A fellow Marine would take another's "back" (or at least taken the
time to get some verifyable FACTS) until something had been
"PROVEN"...You're just another USENET antagonist...Harrassing to
harrass.

yet try and "dis"
my service just because I won't do a LennieRant and give a complete CV
of my service here.

I don't seem to recall asking for any long-winded rant. Just any bit
of information I can use to verify your claim.

And I've given it.

Markie himself has even re-quoted other information.

You CLAIM to have all of these great resources at your disposal,
but seem painfully inept at using them.

You were in an AAV unit so of course you know
EVERYONE who ever served, including a guy who's service ended 13 years
ago.

Yep, you're right..... I bypassed boot camp, went straight to AAVs,
stayed there until my discharge, and never spoke to anyone outside the
unit. Sure thing, Steve.

WHERE did I say THAT, "Frank"...???

You twist the facts almost as bad as Bush.

So far you've not presented any...But in the very paragraph
receding this one you do some pretty colorful twisting of your own.

Steve, K4YZ