On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


wrote:
snip
More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response,
trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or
worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare.

Nope.

It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't
serve in the Marines


Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt
accusation that you are lying about your military service because you
have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up
your claims.


because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds"
who are in the Air Wing.


Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did
know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's
throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area).


He furthermore drops the name of LtCol
Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at
his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve.


I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere. And again, I didn't
"insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there
are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize.


Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less,
assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery.


It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to
support your claims about your military service. That pretty much
makes -you- the bufoon.


I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.

Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic
equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time
was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an
avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by
formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my
work, including field trips to the military installations and
being around servicemen IN radio-electronics.

I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures
are relevent here...


Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate
familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any-
such familiarity -at all-.


snip
No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the
misfortune of being in places where we got shot at.


Philly? Or just a few field ops?

I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in
a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size
from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete. It's when you
sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a
country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that
are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns
than you. It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your
adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when
the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh.

So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but
-seven- such predicaments?


In other words, BS.

Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here.


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.









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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


wrote:
snip
More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response,
trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or
worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare.

Nope.

It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't
serve in the Marines


Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt
accusation that you are lying about your military service because you
have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up
your claims.

Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent.

I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine
that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is
valid.

because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds"
who are in the Air Wing.

Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did
know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's
throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area).

You said they were in Avionics.

So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank?

He furthermore drops the name of LtCol
Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at
his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve.


I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere.

Excuse me.

And again, I didn't
"insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there
are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize.

It doesn't matter if you happen to be sleeping with a records
clerk at HQMC.

You HAVE alleged to have these resources, yet obviously haven't
used them.

Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less,
assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery.

It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to
support your claims about your military service. That pretty much
makes -you- the bufoon.

Hardly.

I've been asked to provide specifics. I've provided more than
enough. I can't (won't) give my service number as it was also my SSN.
So you now have my last grade, my MOS fields, and even the dates of my
two SNCO selection boards. A quick perusal of "Navy Times" archives
with Selection Board result will, at the very least, verify my having
served.

That you care to "diss" the rest is irrelevent.

I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.

Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic
equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time
was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an
avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by
formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my
work, including field trips to the military installations and
being around servicemen IN radio-electronics.

I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures
are relevent here...

Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate
familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any-
such familiarity -at all-.

And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is
neessary...WHY?

Sounds like Lennie's arguments.

No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the
misfortune of being in places where we got shot at.


Philly? Or just a few field ops?

I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in
a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size
from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete.

You don't know what an RPG can do to concrete?

It's when you
sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a
country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that
are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns
than you.

Thankfully I never had to do that.

It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your
adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when
the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh.

Sounds very Clancyesque.

So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but
-seven- such predicaments?

Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests.

In other words, BS.

Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here.


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.

Nope.

As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough
information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of
intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate.

As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics,
the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and
it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter
how objective or reliable the corroborating source is.

I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me
directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You
didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately.

This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and
I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you
and one of the Infamous Four.

Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant
credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no
where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with
impeccable "references", yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT
Amateur Radio policy.

Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.

Steve, K4YZ

KY4Z wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "KY4Z" wrote in
.com:


wrote:
snip
More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response,
trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or
worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare.

Nope.

It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't
serve in the Marines


Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt
accusation that you are lying about your military service because you
have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up
your claims.

Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent.

Well your claims that you can cause Medical and Legal authorities to
act


I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine
that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is
valid.

Not realy another lie on your part


because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds"
who are in the Air Wing.

Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did
know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's
throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area).

You said they were in Avionics.

So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank?

He furthermore drops the name of LtCol
Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at
his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve.


I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere.

Excuse me.

and when you going to apolize?


And again, I didn't
"insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there
are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize.

It doesn't matter if you happen to be sleeping with a records
clerk at HQMC.

You HAVE alleged to have these resources, yet obviously haven't
used them.

Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less,
assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery.

It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to
support your claims about your military service. That pretty much
makes -you- the bufoon.

Hardly.

I've been asked to provide specifics. I've provided more than
enough. I can't (won't) give my service number as it was also my SSN.
So you now have my last grade, my MOS fields, and even the dates of my
two SNCO selection boards. A quick perusal of "Navy Times" archives
with Selection Board result will, at the very least, verify my having
served.

That you care to "diss" the rest is irrelevent.

I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.

Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic
equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time
was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an
avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by
formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my
work, including field trips to the military installations and
being around servicemen IN radio-electronics.

I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures
are relevent here...

Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate
familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any-
such familiarity -at all-.

And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is
neessary...WHY?

It is curious however with your back ground that you don't


Sounds like Lennie's arguments.

No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the
misfortune of being in places where we got shot at.


Philly? Or just a few field ops?

I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in
a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size
from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete.

You don't know what an RPG can do to concrete?

It's when you
sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a
country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that
are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns
than you.

Thankfully I never had to do that.

It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your
adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when
the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh.

Sounds very Clancyesque.

So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but
-seven- such predicaments?

Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests.

Real marines do

wether that has anything to do with you is another matter


In other words, BS.

Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here.


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.

Nope.

Yep more Stevies lies


As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough
information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of
intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate.

Not realy

without the SSN which you wisely choose not to provide you can't verify
much of anything, esp with a name like yours

You may simply pick out those dates of the selection boards of someone
else

As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics,
the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and
it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter
how objective or reliable the corroborating source is.

If you had provided anything with any solid basis it might be different

You advance a Callsign and claim it proves you an expect on MARS


I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me
directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You
didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately.

Why should he?


This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and
I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you
and one of the Infamous Four.


Such Parania Stevie


Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant
credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no
where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with
impeccable "references", yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT
Amateur Radio policy.

Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.

Steve, KY4Z

On 21 Aug 2005 20:33:22 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


wrote:
snip
More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response,
trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or
worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare.

Nope.

It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't
serve in the Marines


Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt
accusation that you are lying about your military service because you
have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up
your claims.

Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent.


I see you haven't yet read my other reply.


I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine
that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is
valid.


You have provided nothing to me except vague generalizations. No
verifiable details at all.


because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds"
who are in the Air Wing.

Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did
know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's
throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area).

You said they were in Avionics.


Wrong again:

++++++++++
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:21:38 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:

snip
Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit.


Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career.

After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some
details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful
not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed
several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None
of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them
remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for
giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you?

++++++++++++

That's three times you have misrepresented my statements. If you are
going to mount a defensive argument then at least stick to the facts.
Otherwise you are just validating everything others here are saying
about you.


So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank?


Quite a few. Back when I was active, the three batallions of the 8th
regiment were rotated into the 22nd and 24th MAUs. I was deployed with
the 24th MAU on The USS Nassau. This ship is an LHA -- basically it's
a small aircraft carrier with a massive well deck. It can accomodate a
lot of different aircraft including the Cobra, Huey, CH-46, CH-53,
OV-10 and Harrier. Being a Marine in the avionics field you should
have already known this. In fact, if you -were- USMC for 18 years it's
more than likey that you would had served aboard an LHA or a similar
amphibious assault ship. Either way you would have known of both their
existence and their capabilities.

Or was that just a rhetorical question?


He furthermore drops the name of LtCol
Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at
his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve.


I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere.

Excuse me.


Why? I was just responding the same way you respond to other people in
this group. You're the spelling cop, aren't you?


And again, I didn't
"insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there
are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize.

It doesn't matter if you happen to be sleeping with a records
clerk at HQMC.

You HAVE alleged to have these resources,


Yet another misrepresentation.


yet obviously haven't
used them.


The DOD records are available at www.military.com. There was indeed a
Steve Robeson, USMC, E-7, and in avionics. But you have yet to prove
that you are him.


Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less,
assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery.

It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to
support your claims about your military service. That pretty much
makes -you- the bufoon.

Hardly.

I've been asked to provide specifics. I've provided more than
enough.


......uh, where? You have a jillion or so posts on Google. I'm not
going to spend a month reading through all your flame wars just to
find out a couple tidbits that you can simply retype.


I can't (won't) give my service number as it was also my SSN.


Did I ask for it?


So you now have my last grade, my MOS fields, and even the dates of my
two SNCO selection boards. A quick perusal of "Navy Times" archives
with Selection Board result will, at the very least, verify my having
served.

That you care to "diss" the rest is irrelevent.


You're still missing the big picture, Steve. See my other post.


I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.

Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic
equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time
was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an
avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by
formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my
work, including field trips to the military installations and
being around servicemen IN radio-electronics.

I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures
are relevent here...

Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate
familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any-
such familiarity -at all-.

And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is
neessary...WHY?


For the same reason that declaring your career in the USMC was
neessary [sic]..... it's not. But you made the claim so back it up.


Sounds like Lennie's arguments.


If that was intended to somehow discredit the validity of the
argument, well, it didn't. Facts are facts regardless of the source.


No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the
misfortune of being in places where we got shot at.


Philly? Or just a few field ops?

I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in
a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size
from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete.

You don't know what an RPG can do to concrete?


Depends on the concrete. Hit a weak spot and it makes a big ****ing
hole that you can walk through. Hit some of that steel-reinforced
high-grade stuff and it just skins the surface down to the rebar. You
could see both on the South wall.


It's when you
sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a
country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that
are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns
than you.

Thankfully I never had to do that.


That much I figured out already.


It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your
adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when
the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh.

Sounds very Clancyesque.


No, it's very horrific. And I'm not suprised that you equate war with
popular fiction -- most civilians do.


So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but
-seven- such predicaments?

Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests.


Ah yes, the scullery! Lot's of action there, but nobody shooting at
you. Maybe working the butts at the rifle range.... now -there's-
something that fits your definition of "hostile action". So you
qualified seven times in 18 years..... that's about right.


In other words, BS.

Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here.


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.

Nope.

As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough
information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of
intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate.


I have never said, or even suggested, that Ollie has anything to do
with my resources. You are trying to connect the dots into a picture
that doesn't exist.


As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics,
the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and
it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter
how objective or reliable the corroborating source is.


More excuses.


I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me
directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You
didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately.


Let's check to see what the FACTS are, shall we?

++++++++++
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 02:20:30 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

On 15 Aug 2005 01:08:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 15:15:28 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


an_old_friend wrote:
KY4Z, that great bully and bragard alleegded Marine.....


Really? What units and when?

"Braggard"

"alleged"

Nothing "braggard about being a Marine, Markie.

Frank, E-mail me directly if you care to. I'd be gald to tell you
directly.


Either you were a Marine or you weren't. Why the secrecy? Did you
serve under Colonel Vinson at Ft. Gordon or something?

+++++++++

Looks to me like I did NOT snip that part of your post; in fact, I
even REPLIED to it. You, however, did -not- reply. Regardless, I will
snip no more messages if that makes you happy. And there's nothing
that prevented you from e-mailing me first.


This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and
I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you
and one of the Infamous Four.


......uh-oh, here come the paranoia police!


Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant
credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no
where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with
impeccable "references",


Who said my references were "impeccable"? Not me. I wasn't exactly the
'model Marine'. Heck, I was suprised when they promoted me back to PFC
(for the third time) just a month before I was discharged. Enough with
your misrepresentations, Steve.


yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT
Amateur Radio policy.


Sure I do. Wanna hear what I have to say about the service in general
or about the few cronies that screw it up?


Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.


And all your ranting has done nothing to resolve the topic of this
discussion. If you can think of anything that would make me believe
that you were in the USMC then feel free to speak up. Otherwise, it
looks like you are just stalling -- making excuses, obfuscating,
changing topics -- in hopes that I'll give up and leave.







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Frank Gilliland wrote:

(And BTW, the rank of Gy.Sgt. is pretty low for retired enlisted.)

I was trying to keep an open mind as to YOUR "status" as a Marine
and your experience in matters of the Armed Forces...

Until this.

Gunnery Sergeant (and indeed pay grade E7 throughout the services
as a whole) is the MEDIAN retirement rank.

Also, Marines abbreviate "Gunnery Sergeant" as "GySgt"...Not
"Gy.Sgt"

My suspiscions as to you being a LenniePhantom and gleaning your
"knowledge from Clancy novels is vindicated.

Steve, K4YZ

Frank Gilliland wrote:

Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.

And all your ranting has done nothing to resolve the topic of this
discussion. If you can think of anything that would make me believe
that you were in the USMC then feel free to speak up. Otherwise, it
looks like you are just stalling -- making excuses, obfuscating,
changing topics -- in hopes that I'll give up and leave.

Oh no, don't leave, "Frank"...

It just makes the LennieRants more colorful.

Lesssee...You claim I've given you nothing but vague information,
yet you refuse to e mail me directly and get "the details"...

Furthermore, I've given you MORE than enough to verify my duty
without giving you my SSAN to do it with.

You demonstrate lapses in proper USMC etiquette yet try and "dis"
my service just because I won't do a LennieRant and give a complete CV
of my service here. You were in an AAV unit so of course you know
EVERYONE who ever served, including a guy who's service ended 13 years
ago.

LenniePhantom.

Steve, K4YZ

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:28:13 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

snip
....."armor guys"?

Uh huh...Neat thing, military aeroclubs. The person sitting next
to you might be fresh off the yellow foot prints or wear stars on thier
collar.


I think you referred to yellow footprints in an earlier post. That's
interesting since I didn't even remember they were yellow until I
looked in my boot camp 'yearbook'. After that I started remembering
all kinds of things about receiving, like the lines on the floor, the
overwhelming smell of brasso and dura-glit, and blood on the shower
room floor because some of those guys didn't even know how to shave.

Very colorful.

snip
My I draw your obviously tainted opinon to SSGT selection board of
1983, Precendent number 60A. You may also refer to the Gunnery
Sergeant selection board of 1987. To be truthful, I forgot my
precedent number on that one but it was high due to the overlap with
the previous years promotions.


What you can't understand is that we all know the public DOD files
only have the name, rank, service, MOS, and sometimes the hometown.
That's far from a definitive identification since anyone with the same
name can 'steal' that serviceman's identity and make up the rest.

Uh huh...Two "Steven J Robeson"...With the exact same DOB...?!?!

Right.....................

Snip

And if you happen to doubt -my- service in the USMC...(SNIP)

No...but I doubt your understanding of the motto "Semper Fidelis".

Prove you were a Marine and I'll vanish those doubts.

I already have. You simply wish to argue.

LenniePhantom

I also question your motives in this forum. So far, nothing
relevent, other than catching the back of guys who are archived chronic
liars.

yada, yada, yada.

Guess you don't like having it thrown back at you...especially
when there's nothing in your defense you can say about it.

And I told you if you'd care to e-mail me directly I'd be glad to
give it to you off-group. I've explained my reasons for doing so.

And I questioned why your military service is so secret. That's why I
alluded to "Col. Vinson at Ft. Gordon", which you obviously didn't
understand but should have. You can email -me- if you want but don't
expect me to keep anything you say quiet if you fail to verify your
story.

I know who Col Vinson was and I know where Ft Gordon is. Never
served with him/for him/within 100 miles of him.

Again...colorful. Clancyesque.

That you attempt to diminish my military service simply because I
do not wish to discuss it in this forum like Lennie's rantings, or like
some drunk at the end of the bar at 3AM only further substantiates MY
claim that your motives here have nothing to do with Amateur Radio,
have more to do with being argumenative, and are dubious at best.

Steve, K4YZ

an_old_friend wrote:
KY4Z wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "KY4Z" wrote in
.com:


wrote:
snip
More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response,
trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or
worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare.

Nope.

It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't
serve in the Marines


Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt
accusation that you are lying about your military service because you
have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up
your claims.

Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent.

Well your claims that you can cause Medical and Legal authorities to
act

I have. That they don't move at the speed-of-light is evident.

I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine
that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is
valid.

Not realy another lie on your part

Nope.

More than enough...Name, grade, DOB, even gave "Frank" my last two
promotion board dates...Still finds excuses to "dismiss" those
resources.

because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds"
who are in the Air Wing.

Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did
know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's
throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area).

You said they were in Avionics.

So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank?

He furthermore drops the name of LtCol
Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at
his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve.


I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere.

Excuse me.

and when you going to apolize?

"apolize"...?!?!

I said "excuse me", Markie.

Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate
familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any-
such familiarity -at all-.

And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is
neessary...WHY?

It is curious however with your back ground that you don't

Why?

What bit of knowledge about the nomenclature of avionics systems
that were developed before I reached puberty and were antiquated before
I got on Active Duty could be of the least bit of interest, other than
to give Lennie some tidbit to make weeks-long rants out of...?!?

So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but
-seven- such predicaments?

Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests.

Real marines do

"Marines" is capitalized, Markie.

And yes, I was a "real" Marine.

wether that has anything to do with you is another matter

So you think.

In other words, BS.

Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here.


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.

Nope.

Yep more Stevies lies

Nope.

As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough
information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of
intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate.

Not realy

Yes, "realy".

without the SSN which you wisely choose not to provide you can't verify
much of anything, esp with a name like yours

At one time there were no more than 3 Robeson's on active duty in
the USMC. Myself, one who was an ATC in Yuma, and the other fellow who
was African American.

Only one of us named Steve.

You may simply pick out those dates of the selection boards of someone
else

Uh huh...righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht.

This is why I do not offer any MORE information than what I have.

Even when I DO provide some irrefuteable third party source,
there's some cowardly excuse as to why it's not "valid".

As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics,
the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and
it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter
how objective or reliable the corroborating source is.

If you had provided anything with any solid basis it might be different

I did.

You advance a Callsign and claim it proves you an expect on MARS

"advance a "callsign"...?!?!

"expect on MARS"...?!?!

If what you MEANT to say that I provided ALL of my callsigns in
various MARS programs at one time or another to verify that I HAD been
an ACTIVE and PARTICIPATING member, you'd be correct.

No where, in ANY post have I EVER suggested I was an "expert" (I
assume that
s what you meant) on the MARS program.

I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me
directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You
didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately.

Why should he?

He says he's a Marine. Why wouldn't he?

This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and
I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you
and one of the Infamous Four.

Such Parania Stevie

"paranoia", Markie.

And no, just an observation.

Steve, K4YZ

KY4Z wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
KY4Z wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "KY4Z" wrote in
.com:


wrote:
snip
More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response,
trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or
worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare.

Nope.

It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't
serve in the Marines


Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt
accusation that you are lying about your military service because you
have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up
your claims.

Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent.


Well your claims that you can cause Medical and Legal authorities to
act

I have. That they don't move at the speed-of-light is evident.

11 days sure right they are playing with me and the safety of the
public

why don't you admit your lie? It is easier that way


I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine
that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is
valid.

Not realy another lie on your part

Nope.

not realy


More than enough...Name, grade, DOB, even gave "Frank" my last two
promotion board dates...Still finds excuses to "dismiss" those
resources.

becuase they are not proof that any of it has anything to do with YOU


because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds"
who are in the Air Wing.

Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did
know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's
throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area).

You said they were in Avionics.

So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank?

He furthermore drops the name of LtCol
Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at
his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve.


I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere.

Excuse me.

and when you going to apolize?

"apolize"...?!?!

I said "excuse me", Markie.

no apology there


Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate
familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any-
such familiarity -at all-.

And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is
neessary...WHY?

It is curious however with your back ground that you don't

Why?

because it tends to show you a liar as has been said many times before

Why do you need everything repeated over and over again

cuting more evasion

So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but
-seven- such predicaments?

Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests.

Real marines do

"Marines" is capitalized, Markie.

weall know you can play at speeling cop

And yes, I was a "real" Marine.

but not an honest one




wether that has anything to do with you is another matter

So you think.

of course I do. at one point you were goign on about a sniper now an
avoincs tech

indeed I have to wonder if either has any truth


In other words, BS.

Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here.


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.

Nope.

Yep more Stevies lies

Nope.

You are the one that tried to demand respect becuase you were a marine

You made it an issue and then you start telling lies


As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough
information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of
intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate.

Not realy

Yes, "realy".

without the SSN which you wisely choose not to provide you can't verify
much of anything, esp with a name like yours

At one time there were no more than 3 Robeson's on active duty in
the USMC. Myself, one who was an ATC in Yuma, and the other fellow who
was African American.

Only one of us named Steve.

none of whish proves you are the Steve

We have inf act no proof you are Steve as opposed to James

You may simply pick out those dates of the selection boards of someone
else

Uh huh...righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht.

This is why I do not offer any MORE information than what I have.

Even when I DO provide some irrefuteable third party source,
there's some cowardly excuse as to why it's not "valid".

You have never provided irrefutable proof

In cliaiming you have you are either lying or showing you don't know
the meaning of the word "Proof"

As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics,
the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and
it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter
how objective or reliable the corroborating source is.

If you had provided anything with any solid basis it might be different

I did.

You advance a Callsign and claim it proves you an expect on MARS

"advance a "callsign"...?!?!

"expect on MARS"...?!?!

If what you MEANT to say that I provided ALL of my callsigns in
various MARS programs at one time or another to verify that I HAD been
an ACTIVE and PARTICIPATING member, you'd be correct.

and the callsgins prove nothing of the kind

they prove you might have been an active member


No where, in ANY post have I EVER suggested I was an "expert" (I
assume that
s what you meant) on the MARS program.

Bull****

I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me
directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You
didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately.

Why should he?

He says he's a Marine. Why wouldn't he?

avoiding the question. it was and remains "why should he?"

why should he play your games?



This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and
I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you
and one of the Infamous Four.

Such Parania Stevie

"paranoia", Markie.

And no, just an observation.

paranoia

like when you accused me of hiring him


Steve, KY4Z

From: Frank Gilliland on Aug 21, 6:25 pm


On 21 Aug 2005 13:19:18 -0700, wrote in


Robeson couldn't even name the very common all-service small-unit
radio of his early time, the AN/PRC-25 or PRC-77.

I wouldn't call it "small" -- those puppies get mighty heavy on a
forced march. A "small" radio would be the PRC-68. But the RT-841 (the
RT used for the PRC-77) was the bread and butter of ground radio comm.

True, but "small" in weight depends on the era of use. The
PRC-8, -9, -10 that the PRC-25 replaced were fully backpack
carry while the -25 and -77 are not. The -25 was first and
had one vacuum tube in the final amplifier (everything else
solid state). The -77 was ALL solid-state plus some other
minor changes. For about a 1965 design start it was
state-of-the-art then.

BTW, the first REAL "walkie-talkie" of WW2 was the SCR-300
(with BC-1000 R/T) of WW2. The full-on assembly weighed in
about38 pounds and the handset was cobbled from a standard
telephone handset having a push-to-talk lever. Far from
the H-33 and its descendents still in the inventory. I've
got a little paper on that SCR-300 at Harold Hallikainen's
website for history. A plateau-jump in design in its time.

http://kauko.hallikainen.org/history/equipment/

Click on Motorola to get the TheFirstWalkieTalkie.pdf.
Appendix C is kind of interesting, a "horse mobile" transceiver
that Motorola produced in 1943 but didn't design...battery-powered
radio-on-a-guidon-pole that fit into a military cavalry
saddle guidon socket. Only problem was that, by 1943, there
was NO MORE horse cavalry in the U.S. Army! :-) Infantry and
others used this HF-only set, an addition of a vehicle mount
was done for Jeeps and trucks.


unspecified authority. Medical discharges are given for a
variety of reasons, not always due to physical disabilities.
[that's in Google archives]

A medical discharge is an administrative, or "general", discharge
"under honorable conditions". They are not changed to "honorable"
unless there were mitigating circumstances that led to the original
discharge being incorrect. But there is no way he would have been
granted retirement benefits without serving the full 20 years. (And
BTW, the rank of Gy.Sgt. is pretty low for retired enlisted.)

GySgt was an E-7 (same as SFC in Army)...USMC enlisted ratings
go to E-9, Sergeant Major. I don't think Stebie would con
anyone on saying he was that other E-9, Sergeant Major of the
Marine Corps! :-)

I was Honorably Discharged in April 1960 as an E-5. Curious
thing with Army insignia for about a decade: They dropped the
"buck sergeant" three chevrons, no rockers, insignia and began
all NCOs with rockers. They also dropped the "recruit" rank in
favor of Private-1 (no stripe), elevated to Private-2 on passing
Basic Training (Army and Air Force don't have "boot camp"), then
began PFC as E-3 with one chevron. Corporal was E-3, two
chevrons. The enlisted insignia changed once again around the
mid 1960s, restoring the "buck sergeant" sans rockers.

Hmmmm...the only time I have a medical discharge now is blood
work twice a year. I DO study for that test and pass it
each time. :-)

Robeson has consistently tried to make fun of others' military
assignments, claiming his (classic) been in "seven hostile
actions."

I can't find that post.

I've seen it, Brian Burke has seen it. I know he wrote it as
clearly as he wrote his classic "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS
amateur radio!" :-)

A classic "rebuke" in newsgroups is "show me where I said that!"
in terms of great outrage. :-) Anyone who falls for that has
to go back to archives (we used to have DejaNews but Google
bought them), search for the post, copy it out, paste it on
the return post...and find that the "outraged" will not respond,
say it is "false", or rationalize it saying "he meant something
'else.'" :-)


First of all servicemenbers don't have any choice
of what they do, they go and do whatever they are assigned,
wherever commanded.

Upon completion of MOS training, some are allowed to request a
particular duty station at first. Sometimes that request is granted.
After that it's a crap shoot.

Some of the military experts in here never served. They
think not being assigned to a combat area was somehow a
negative moral attribute, cowardice implied of course. :-(
They've read all the books, seen all the movies, watched all
the TV shows and KNOW WHAT IT WAS LIKE! :-)

This fierce warrior, self-promoted "seven hostile
action" implied hero can't even swear like a Marine among
other veterans? Highly unlikely. :-)

In all fairness, I knew quite a few Marines that didn't swear.

OK, we differ. :-)

Phrases and euphemisms identified with the USMC are easy to
get in literature and from TV and movies (tons of that
material).

Very easy. What's missing from his stories are unique experiences.

Them we ain't got yet. Not in six-plus years. :-(

What we get instead is a constant barrage of personal insults
directed at us...but no definite answers of his. He's got a
CON going and loves that too much. shrug

con gam