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From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm

I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing
Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed.

"Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur?

Strange, I still see rather "commercial" and "military"
infrastructure radios very much at work on TV news, along
with lots and lots of "infrastructure" personnel.

Flood conditions high enough to inundate "commercial
infrastructure" equipment will ALSO inundate amateur
equipment and render it useless as well.

The relief efforts in Louisiana and Mississippi are being
handled by MANY, MANY different volunteers and MOST of them
do not appear to be or are identified as amateur radio
operators.

7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure.

Those networks are operating OUTSIDE the flood regions,
have NOT been inundated with flood waters.

I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in
Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages
to
family and friends outside of the disaster area.

Then that young lady is NOT under water and has gotten to a
location that is NOT under water or destroyed (somehow, you
have not specified that transport) and has the help of
an amateur radio station set up for this purpose on DRY land
(some place unspecified).

Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call
before.

That is excellent service that is provided (partly) by amateur
radio. "Daddy" somehow has gotten the news and that probably
is completed over a telephone circuit...a telephone circuit of
the evil "commercial infrastructure" that was NOT destroyed.

And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove
it.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. I've NEVER been "anti-ham." What I HAVE been
against is the morse code test for any amateur radio license.
What I HAVE been against is the braggadoccio of morse code mode
over and above any other mode in effectiveness. What I HAVE
been against is that morse code mode is the "only" mode possible
in emergency communications.

And what I HAVE been against is all you PCTA emotional retards
who think/state/live the notion that U.S. amateur radio is ONLY
about morse code mode, morsemanship, and neglecting the majority
of licensed radio amateurs who do NOT agree with you waving the
ham flag as ONLY yours and ONLY that of the morsemen.

You greatly confuse all of "hamdom" as having YOUR personal
opinion. You don't understand that someone having opinions
contrary to YOURS does NOT act in any "anti-amateur" manner.

Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing.

Dan, go to the grill and fork yourself. You're done.



This is from the Sunday Pensacola News Journal:

Ham-radio operators

assist in rescue fforts

Tallahassee ham-radio operators guided emergency workers through daring
helicopter rescue :, Friday of 1 ,500 patients and staff from two New
Orleans hospitals besieged by darkness and gunfire.

Urged by rapidly rising water 8 feet deep in places and the growing
reality
that New Orleans had become a drowning pool, the operators fashioned a
satellite receptor atop an 8-story building in downtown Tallahassee.

Three of them - Theo Titus, Gene Floyd and Bill Schmidt - boarded a
helicopter in Tallahassee on Wednesday and headed for New Orleans.

Atop the garage at Tulane University Hospital and Clinic, they set up a
generator-powered .. ham radio with a satellite uplink.

The men used that communication to direct pilots through the near-war zone
as they evacuated decimated hospitals. "There were a lot of heroes in this
operation," said operator Chuck Hall. Hall said the rescue was a small
victory, but bigger obstacles remain. Hospitals have to be rebuilt.
Patients
have to get well, and New Orleans still faces months of recovery. "We had
to
overcome some small hurdles today, but the big hurdles are in front of
us.".


If THAT isn't in the thick of it, I really don't know WHAT you really
want. I recall a thread recently where you insisted that Amateur Radio had
no "real" part in emergency operations and that most such communications
was handled withOUT the help of Amateur Radio. Yada Yada, Yada. Much will
be done by MANY agencies and groups-even people lending backs and hands
or a mere handkerchief to the effort. *Some* may be by Morse; much of it
not. Some will handled by satellite and other data links as can be
established like the gentlemen in the article. I am seeing PLENTY of
articles on TV and radio about hams in the thick of the action--Even Larry
King Live mentioned! The crux of your angst was not the Morse issue, but
the viability of Amateur Radio itself as a vital part of our nation's
communications infrastructure, which it is HAS been since the beginning.
Nothing puts the lie to your
ham-radio-is-not-vital-to-emergency-communications diatribe than this
horrific tragedy. NO! It is NOT the onlyone--no one's saying it is--but it
is certainly doing what it does best; serving the community and nation in
anyway it can. And there are thousands staying out of the way until the
phone rings, "Can YOU come and do......................."? Or relaying
messages into and out of NO and other stricken area. MOST amateurs that
respond, whether it be some heroic effort or merely letting a daughter
know that her Daddy is safe via HF radio will do so without expecting or
receiving so much as a quick "Thanks, man". They wouldn't have it any
other way! :)

J



At the probability of getting accused, again, of boasting.....I am happy to
read of the success of the chopper flights.

The Alabama Emergency Net responded to a extremely weak station requesting
to contact Tallahassee Fla hospital and ask them to come up on VHF. We
passed it via several relays.

Then heard nothing more. I sincerely hope we helped in a little way.

Dan/W4NTI 3965

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Don't sweat it dipwad....I am completely and totally positive that with
your
attitude....No ham radio group would want your "assistance".

where is Stveie to decry your profanity

More of the Double standard

Dan/W4NTI


WHAT PROFANITY? DIPWAD? What a Putz.

Dan/W4NTI


You have to remember that most people are totally unclear as to the
differences between profanity, vulgarity, obscenity, cursing, and
swearing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

I know that they have sensitive virgin eyes. Perhaps they should also learn
English.

Dan/W4NTI

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WHAT PROFANITY? DIPWAD? What a Putz.

more profanity?

Dan/W4NTI


Your right Dee.

Dan/W4NTI

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WHAT PROFANITY? DIPWAD? What a Putz.

more profanity?

Dan/W4NTI


Your right Dee.
Idoit there is nothign written by there to be right or wrong

Dan/W4NTI

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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:08:47 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
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First you wrote:


...Ain't no one thumping chests here.



Immediately followed by:



I have ran several pieces of traffic from the disaster area tonight.
Made the calls and I'm damn proud of Ham Radio.



Hypocrite.



If you don't like it. Gent bent



It's morons like you who secretly -wanted- something this bad to
happen just so you could have the opportunity to "step up to the
plate". Yep, all those people are suffering and dying so -you- can
feel good about being a ham -- you -should- be proud.

You're statement is more than stupid. I know of no one, radio amateur or
not, who wanted such a tragedy to take place.

Get some perspective you sick expletive deleted.

Wow! It is difficult to believe that one who thinks the way you do, could
accept that it is you who needs the perspective.

Dave K8MN

The last time I saw anything like this was the rubble we left that used to
be Cholon district of Saigon during TET. I still wake up seeing that.

And to think this moron thinks anyone actually wished for a disaster that
has hit the Gulf Coast of the US is beyond stupid. He is braindead.

Well, thanks to all of you out there that know what is going on. I'm done
dealing with this fool. My break is over, going back to the rig.

73

Dan/W4NTI

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And what has license class got to do with it ?? If you can't help with your
radio activity and can't go, there alway always donations needed. The point
is your individual negatism toward the ARRL and people's individual
activities.

I have already stated that I have donated

But factual there is nothing a Tech class op in the UP can do at this
as a radio op. That is a true statement and yet you flame me for it


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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Plenty of the Double standard we see all to often

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Hans has not indicated anything he couldn't actually do. You, on the
other
hand, from appearances so far, have not tried to find anyway you could
contribute. Plus you put down someone who has contributed and is simply
sharing his experience and taking pleasure in what good he and others can
do. Every effort, large or small, is worth doing and celebrating.

in a word Bull

Dan is holding up passing a couple of messages as some great thing,
what are they a drop in the bucket, together with all the others they
do add up to something but to glorify hisown little bit into something

that I call being a baragrt and I am not alone in holding that opinion

now as toy your biased accusation against me personaly

Gee how do you know what I have done or not done. I don't brag about
such petty things as passing a few pieces of traffic

but hans has Done nothing(at least by his words nothing) and is clearly
able to do a great more than that. I have looked and found nothing I
can without neglecting my own duties which are first to my family.

you choose to flame the guy with the least abilty to do anything for
doing the same as the guys able to do a great deal. Gee I call that
unfair, thankfully I don't expect fairness, haven't since I was kid.

You just start barking order to do what isn't possible.

There's always donations needed.


Speacking of HTS for monet I keep hearing there are VHF nets and yet I
have never lived anywhere with one. Could some one provide a reference
(location and band) where there is a real VHF traffic net. I would just
like to know they in fact exist somewhere


I check into the SE Michigan Traffic Net a couple of times a week. If you
will look in the ARRL directory, there are quite a few VHF nets listed for
Michigan.

I have indeed but I guess you don't know where the UP of Michigan is
there are a few VHF nets here but no linkage between them and the NTS
as far as I know


Like I said the double standard I have seen all to often in both the
ARS and life. It would be refreshing to have someone at least be honest
enough to admit to it

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


No that double standard exists only in your own interpretations.

No it exists in your actions


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I can see now I am fighting with a mental case. Here is a suggestion "old
friend" START a VHF NET. Get some stations with HF capabilities to link
with the HF network. There you are....your now in the system. Don't know
how to do it? Don't trust my advice? Check with ARRL.org. DOn't trust
them either probably.

again with with yours suggestions/orders?

I doubt that trying to dublicate the effort of the HF hams would go
over very well

Just who are you to tell how to run MY station/

If I am a mental case for asserting my own autonomy then so be it

It isn't a matter of Trusting the ARRL it is a matter I don't support
the ARRL, I don't feel they have been represnting the true interests of
the ARS, other such as Carl Stevenson have held these views as well
(although he seems to have changed his mind, and if he is succesfull I
may give them another chance to earn my support)

EXACTLY what some firebrands did in this part of Alabama. They started
their own V/Uhf system. And it is a fabulous success. Oh...is that
bragging again?

You know what? I realy don't want to be such a fireband I have heard
other round here tell their stories and am getting the feel of the land
indeed I agree that HF based net make more sense here in the UP than
VHF or UHF nets

Indeed we have enough trouble maintianing our Skywarn nets on VHF
hopefully the new 6M repeater we will soon have will help, if not I and
everyone else will have to look at it some more

Dan/W4NTI

Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
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Just who are you to tell how to run MY station/

Someone needs to, you obviously don't know how.

Not at all

and NO One has the right short of the FCC
One of the biggest problems poised to become the very biggest is the
bossyness of various hams