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HAM RADIO IS SHOWING ITS STUFF NOW !!!!!!
I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. 7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure. I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to family and friends outside of the disaster area. Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call before. And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove it. Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing. Dan/W4NTI |
"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. 7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure. I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to family and friends outside of the disaster area. Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call before. And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove it. Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing. Dan/W4NTI Ask frankieboy to turn on his SeeBee and tell us all about the disaster traffic they are handling. This just came over 3965... On 3965, KB7BSA is with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi MS. She just passed this along after sending out 40 Health and Welfare messages..... " Ham radio is all there is for communications. Police, Fire, Rescue, Emergency Services, all of them using Ham Radio, there is NOTHING ELSE that works" Dan/W4NTI |
From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm
I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. "Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur? Strange, I still see rather "commercial" and "military" infrastructure radios very much at work on TV news, along with lots and lots of "infrastructure" personnel. Flood conditions high enough to inundate "commercial infrastructure" equipment will ALSO inundate amateur equipment and render it useless as well. The relief efforts in Louisiana and Mississippi are being handled by MANY, MANY different volunteers and MOST of them do not appear to be or are identified as amateur radio operators. 7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure. Those networks are operating OUTSIDE the flood regions, have NOT been inundated with flood waters. I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to family and friends outside of the disaster area. Then that young lady is NOT under water and has gotten to a location that is NOT under water or destroyed (somehow, you have not specified that transport) and has the help of an amateur radio station set up for this purpose on DRY land (some place unspecified). Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call before. That is excellent service that is provided (partly) by amateur radio. "Daddy" somehow has gotten the news and that probably is completed over a telephone circuit...a telephone circuit of the evil "commercial infrastructure" that was NOT destroyed. And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove it. Tsk, tsk, tsk. I've NEVER been "anti-ham." What I HAVE been against is the morse code test for any amateur radio license. What I HAVE been against is the braggadoccio of morse code mode over and above any other mode in effectiveness. What I HAVE been against is that morse code mode is the "only" mode possible in emergency communications. And what I HAVE been against is all you PCTA emotional retards who think/state/live the notion that U.S. amateur radio is ONLY about morse code mode, morsemanship, and neglecting the majority of licensed radio amateurs who do NOT agree with you waving the ham flag as ONLY yours and ONLY that of the morsemen. You greatly confuse all of "hamdom" as having YOUR personal opinion. You don't understand that someone having opinions contrary to YOURS does NOT act in any "anti-amateur" manner. Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing. Dan, go to the grill and fork yourself. You're done. |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. 7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure. I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to family and friends outside of the disaster area. Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call before. And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove it. Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing. Dan/W4NTI Ask frankieboy to turn on his SeeBee and tell us all about the disaster traffic they are handling. |
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wrote in message oups.com... From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. "Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur? Agreed. Strange, I still see rather "commercial" and "military" infrastructure radios very much at work on TV news, along with lots and lots of "infrastructure" personnel. Agreed, but there's no doubt that hams are assisting in the overall process. Such assistance at least lightens the communications load on the remaining commercial infrastructure. Flood conditions high enough to inundate "commercial infrastructure" equipment will ALSO inundate amateur equipment and render it useless as well. Maybe, maybe not....depending on the portability of that equipment and how/where the ham actually has/had it when disastor stuck. The relief efforts in Louisiana and Mississippi are being handled by MANY, MANY different volunteers and MOST of them do not appear to be or are identified as amateur radio operators. 7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure. Those networks are operating OUTSIDE the flood regions, have NOT been inundated with flood waters. But they are delivering messages to and from the flood areas. I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to family and friends outside of the disaster area. Then that young lady is NOT under water and has gotten to a location that is NOT under water or destroyed (somehow, you have not specified that transport) and has the help of an amateur radio station set up for this purpose on DRY land (some place unspecified). I must ask... What's the difference? Does it mean that ham radio isn't providing helpful and needed additional communications? Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call before. That is excellent service that is provided (partly) by amateur radio. "Daddy" somehow has gotten the news and that probably is completed over a telephone circuit...a telephone circuit of the evil "commercial infrastructure" that was NOT destroyed. Again, the fact that hams played a part is all that matters if the communication between father/family could not have otherwise been completed. SNIP Cheers, To those hams in the thick of the emergency...well done and keep up the good work. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
"Bill Sohl" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. "Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur? Agreed. Let me revise that. If non-amateur includes CD, FRS and GMRS then I agree. If by amateur Len is only referencing the Amateur Service (Part 97) then I disagree and would suggest the following. Commercial Infrastructure is anything other than CB, FRS, GMRS or Amateur Service. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
wrote in message oups.com... From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm Nothing worth wasting bandwith on from the idiot on the left coast. plonk Dan/W4NTI |
The mobile unit I was refering to is OBVIOUS to anyone that has Ham Radio
Emergency Com experience. This totally elliminates dip**** Lennie. But to help the dummy out....they drove in from Anniston Alabama.....and to help him out....yes they had a proper pass. Lennie, just sit down on your hands and shut up. You have NOTHING to contribute, as usual. Dan/W4NTI "Bill Sohl" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message oups.com... From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. "Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur? Agreed. Strange, I still see rather "commercial" and "military" infrastructure radios very much at work on TV news, along with lots and lots of "infrastructure" personnel. Agreed, but there's no doubt that hams are assisting in the overall process. Such assistance at least lightens the communications load on the remaining commercial infrastructure. Flood conditions high enough to inundate "commercial infrastructure" equipment will ALSO inundate amateur equipment and render it useless as well. Maybe, maybe not....depending on the portability of that equipment and how/where the ham actually has/had it when disastor stuck. The relief efforts in Louisiana and Mississippi are being handled by MANY, MANY different volunteers and MOST of them do not appear to be or are identified as amateur radio operators. 7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure. Those networks are operating OUTSIDE the flood regions, have NOT been inundated with flood waters. But they are delivering messages to and from the flood areas. I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to family and friends outside of the disaster area. Then that young lady is NOT under water and has gotten to a location that is NOT under water or destroyed (somehow, you have not specified that transport) and has the help of an amateur radio station set up for this purpose on DRY land (some place unspecified). I must ask... What's the difference? Does it mean that ham radio isn't providing helpful and needed additional communications? Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call before. That is excellent service that is provided (partly) by amateur radio. "Daddy" somehow has gotten the news and that probably is completed over a telephone circuit...a telephone circuit of the evil "commercial infrastructure" that was NOT destroyed. Again, the fact that hams played a part is all that matters if the communication between father/family could not have otherwise been completed. SNIP Cheers, To those hams in the thick of the emergency...well done and keep up the good work. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... wrote: From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. "Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur? Strange, I still see rather "commercial" and "military" infrastructure radios very much at work on TV news, along with lots and lots of "infrastructure" personnel. Flood conditions high enough to inundate "commercial infrastructure" equipment will ALSO inundate amateur equipment and render it useless as well. You truly are an idiot lennyboy. Exactly my point about Lennie. He has absolutely no idea what ham radio does and is capable of. So why do we even read what he says? Dan/W4NTI |
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Bill Sohl wrote:
I must ask... What's the difference? Does it mean that ham radio isn't providing helpful and needed additional communications? Lennieboy would like to belive that with all his little heart, but the fact remains...ham radio has and is at this very moment providing much need emergency comms in the disaster area. Ham radio continues to be a very helpful tool in disaster emergency comms, much to the chagrin of the likes of lennieboy and frankieboy. |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 01:15:18 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in et: "Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. 7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure. I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to family and friends outside of the disaster area. Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call before. And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove it. Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing. Dan/W4NTI Ask frankieboy to turn on his SeeBee and tell us all about the disaster traffic they are handling. This just came over 3965... On 3965, KB7BSA is with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi MS. She just passed this along after sending out 40 Health and Welfare messages..... " Ham radio is all there is for communications. Police, Fire, Rescue, Emergency Services, all of them using Ham Radio, there is NOTHING ELSE that works" I've always said that ham radio has it's usefulness in certain situations. This is most definitely one of those situations. But I have no doubt whatsoever that every -other- mode of communication that works, radio or not, is being used to it's fullest limitations. And for some glory seeking hams to declare themselves and their service to be the exclusive 'heros de jour' is absolutely repulsive, especially while the situation continues to erode and people continue to die. Let me make this -REAL- clear to you, Dan: It's not about ham radio or any other radio service. It's about the people that are suffering in this disaster. So instead of thumping your chest while standing on a pile of rubble and dead bodies, how about you hero-wannabe hammies show a little dignity and set aside your self-aggrandizing delusions for a little while? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 00:26:31 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote: I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing snip Is anyone else getting tired of hearing the phrase, (or any variation thereof) "step up to the plate" besides me? |
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From: "Bill Sohl" on Fri 2 Sep 2005 02:08
"Bill Sohl" wrote in message wrote in message From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. "Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur? Agreed. Let me revise that. If non-amateur includes CD, FRS and GMRS then I agree. If by amateur Len is only referencing the Amateur Service (Part 97) then I disagree and would suggest the following. Commercial Infrastructure is anything other than CB, FRS, GMRS or Amateur Service. Bill, not to nit-pick, but on the same subject you would have to add in the NATIONAL GUARD. Definitely not "commercial." One could also add the National Military Forces should they be activated; Louisiana NG is already activated within that state. National Guard has rugged multi-environment equipment and vehicles. We can also consider local PUBLIC SAFETY agencies as "non- commercial" (police, fire, ambulances), could we not? In truth, New Orleans has only 1,500 police officers, not nearly enough to properly police things in such a devastated area, but they do have local radio communications equipment. --- We ought to consider what BASIC EMERGENCY NEEDS are. Plain survival always comes first with humans (sex is secondary to survival). For that the BASIC NEEDS a Food, shelter (dry), toilet, hygiene, clothing/footwear (as appropriate for climate), medical (as needed, not all need it immediately), protection/police. That order is approximate, most-to-least. In the immediate disaster areas of Louisiana and Mississippi, those basic needs are being provided (not necessarily all or in order) by the LOCALS who are within human-voice talking distance of victims. Most of those BASIC NEEDS come from supplies and/or services and must be physically delivered. In many observed situations, supplies and services CANNOT be phsically delivered due to flooding making roads impassible, existing aerial wires prohibiting helicopter descents, debris of all kinds inhibiting water or vehicles. Looking at the overall big picture of SURVIVAL for tens of thousands of victims, "communications" some distance away is NOT on the BASIC SURVIVAL need list. Victims want to communicate with immediate rescuers, helpers, aid people FIRST. They must have BASIC NEEDS. Once those basic needs are at least partly satisfied, they can turn their attention to distant communications, to contact family, friends...but that is NOT in the basic needs listing. Those of us sitting in safe, dry homes, typing away at keyboards, have the basic needs at hand, don't need help. Most of us don't think about them because we aren't in a disaster zone, suffering the aftermath of widespread destruction, flooding. It is very easy to talk about radio networks and health and welfare messages AS IF they were some kind of "basic needs" but those are NOT. Yes, news to/from family and friends IS important, but, when faced with a loss of everything or nearly everything in the BASIC NEEDS FOR SURVIVAL listing, it is way down on the importance priority. For tens of thousands of humans in Louisiana and Mississippi, the basic needs for survival are NEEDED NOW. Most don't have a single one of the basic needs now and none of those can be supplied by a radio. Local aid people have to handle that, up-close and personal, ON THE SCENE. Now radio communications CAN be of service to those local aid people, coordinating their activities and delivery/distribution of needed supplies/shelter. Such radio communications is presently being handled by radio facilities that survived the hurricane and following flooding. Maybe THAT is where amateur radios (that also survived the hurricane and flooding) can help. "Health and welfare messages" just wouldn't be on a disaster victim's immediate needs right now. We need to put things in perspective...and rationally try to imagine the plight of victims who have lost almost ALL of their basic survival necessities. |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. 7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure. I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to family and friends outside of the disaster area. Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call before. And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove it. Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing. Dan/W4NTI And I'd like to add kudos for all those outside the disaster area who are processing the traffic. I've heard people with voices quavery with extreme old age and voices young enough that I doubt they are old enough to shave and every age in between. All are operating in an efficient and professional manner. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
wrote in message oups.com... From: "Bill Sohl" on Fri 2 Sep 2005 02:08 "Bill Sohl" wrote in message wrote in message From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. "Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur? Agreed. Let me revise that. If non-amateur includes CD, FRS and GMRS then I agree. If by amateur Len is only referencing the Amateur Service (Part 97) then I disagree and would suggest the following. Commercial Infrastructure is anything other than CB, FRS, GMRS or Amateur Service. Bill, not to nit-pick, but on the same subject you would have to add in the NATIONAL GUARD. Definitely not "commercial." One could also add the National Military Forces should they be activated; Louisiana NG is already activated within that state. National Guard has rugged multi-environment equipment and vehicles. We can also consider local PUBLIC SAFETY agencies as "non- commercial" (police, fire, ambulances), could we not? In truth, New Orleans has only 1,500 police officers, not nearly enough to properly police things in such a devastated area, but they do have local radio communications equipment. --- We ought to consider what BASIC EMERGENCY NEEDS are. Plain survival always comes first with humans (sex is secondary to survival). For that the BASIC NEEDS a Food, shelter (dry), toilet, hygiene, clothing/footwear (as appropriate for climate), medical (as needed, not all need it immediately), protection/police. That order is approximate, most-to-least. In the immediate disaster areas of Louisiana and Mississippi, those basic needs are being provided (not necessarily all or in order) by the LOCALS who are within human-voice talking distance of victims. Most of those BASIC NEEDS come from supplies and/or services and must be physically delivered. In many observed situations, supplies and services CANNOT be phsically delivered due to flooding making roads impassible, existing aerial wires prohibiting helicopter descents, debris of all kinds inhibiting water or vehicles. Looking at the overall big picture of SURVIVAL for tens of thousands of victims, "communications" some distance away is NOT on the BASIC SURVIVAL need list. Victims want to communicate with immediate rescuers, helpers, aid people FIRST. They must have BASIC NEEDS. Once those basic needs are at least partly satisfied, they can turn their attention to distant communications, to contact family, friends...but that is NOT in the basic needs listing. Those of us sitting in safe, dry homes, typing away at keyboards, have the basic needs at hand, don't need help. Most of us don't think about them because we aren't in a disaster zone, suffering the aftermath of widespread destruction, flooding. It is very easy to talk about radio networks and health and welfare messages AS IF they were some kind of "basic needs" but those are NOT. Yes, news to/from family and friends IS important, but, when faced with a loss of everything or nearly everything in the BASIC NEEDS FOR SURVIVAL listing, it is way down on the importance priority. For tens of thousands of humans in Louisiana and Mississippi, the basic needs for survival are NEEDED NOW. Most don't have a single one of the basic needs now and none of those can be supplied by a radio. Local aid people have to handle that, up-close and personal, ON THE SCENE. Now radio communications CAN be of service to those local aid people, coordinating their activities and delivery/distribution of needed supplies/shelter. Such radio communications is presently being handled by radio facilities that survived the hurricane and following flooding. Maybe THAT is where amateur radios (that also survived the hurricane and flooding) can help. "Health and welfare messages" just wouldn't be on a disaster victim's immediate needs right now. True to a point, but there's also been no shortage of victims making an efffort to let others know they are safe. Not every victim there is only inward focused on their own basic needs. We need to put things in perspective...and rationally try to imagine the plight of victims who have lost almost ALL of their basic survival necessities. Agreed...and the only point I am trying to make is that amateur radio can and is oproviding help for communications. Whatever help that may be, it is still of value and would not necessarily be happening by other (commercial/military/whatever) services because ALL the help resources are already maxed to their limit. Bill K2UNK |
Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: Bill Sohl wrote: I must ask... What's the difference? Does it mean that ham radio isn't providing helpful and needed additional communications? Lennieboy would like to belive that with all his little heart, but the fact remains...ham radio has and is at this very moment providing much need emergency comms in the disaster area. Ham radio continues to be a very helpful tool in disaster emergency comms, much to the chagrin of the likes of lennieboy and frankieboy. more making up stuff again |
Bill Sohl wrote: wrote in message oups.com... From: "Bill Sohl" on Fri 2 Sep 2005 02:08 "Bill Sohl" wrote in message cut For tens of thousands of humans in Louisiana and Mississippi, the basic needs for survival are NEEDED NOW. Most don't have a single one of the basic needs now and none of those can be supplied by a radio. Local aid people have to handle that, up-close and personal, ON THE SCENE. Now radio communications CAN be of service to those local aid people, coordinating their activities and delivery/distribution of needed supplies/shelter. Such radio communications is presently being handled by radio facilities that survived the hurricane and following flooding. Maybe THAT is where amateur radios (that also survived the hurricane and flooding) can help. "Health and welfare messages" just wouldn't be on a disaster victim's immediate needs right now. True to a point, but there's also been no shortage of victims making an efffort to let others know they are safe. Not every victim there is only inward focused on their own basic needs. We need to put things in perspective...and rationally try to imagine the plight of victims who have lost almost ALL of their basic survival necessities. Agreed...and the only point I am trying to make is that amateur radio can and is oproviding help for communications. Whatever help that may be, it is still of value and would not necessarily be happening by other (commercial/military/whatever) services because ALL the help resources are already maxed to their limit. And Len is pointing that it seems that Hams in here and the ARRL it publication is rateing the importance of that aid the ARS does provide and inflating it. In his opinion and mine to point of turning it into something of a Lie Ham radio provides useful, important, and valuble aid in a disaster (esp in one of this size) but it is in the ssecondary (but important feilds) very if any of the Ham radio is all that VITAL, and we (hams) are fooling ourselves if we think otherwise It is if I may presume to speack for Len the sin of hubris that Len cautions against (as do I) Hubris is dangerous if we are seen as too full of hubris instaed taking our due credit,we the ARS may be seen by the powers that be as unworthy of the freqs we hold Be proud Hams, but claim no glory not due us, there is enough due us Bill K2UNK |
"an_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... Bill Sohl wrote: wrote in message oups.com... From: "Bill Sohl" on Fri 2 Sep 2005 02:08 "Bill Sohl" wrote in message cut For tens of thousands of humans in Louisiana and Mississippi, the basic needs for survival are NEEDED NOW. Most don't have a single one of the basic needs now and none of those can be supplied by a radio. Local aid people have to handle that, up-close and personal, ON THE SCENE. Now radio communications CAN be of service to those local aid people, coordinating their activities and delivery/distribution of needed supplies/shelter. Such radio communications is presently being handled by radio facilities that survived the hurricane and following flooding. Maybe THAT is where amateur radios (that also survived the hurricane and flooding) can help. "Health and welfare messages" just wouldn't be on a disaster victim's immediate needs right now. True to a point, but there's also been no shortage of victims making an efffort to let others know they are safe. Not every victim there is only inward focused on their own basic needs. We need to put things in perspective...and rationally try to imagine the plight of victims who have lost almost ALL of their basic survival necessities. Agreed...and the only point I am trying to make is that amateur radio can and is oproviding help for communications. Whatever help that may be, it is still of value and would not necessarily be happening by other (commercial/military/whatever) services because ALL the help resources are already maxed to their limit. And Len is pointing that it seems that Hams in here and the ARRL it publication is rateing the importance of that aid the ARS does provide and inflating it. In his opinion and mine to point of turning it into something of a Lie Ham radio provides useful, important, and valuble aid in a disaster (esp in one of this size) but it is in the ssecondary (but important feilds) very if any of the Ham radio is all that VITAL, and we (hams) are fooling ourselves if we think otherwise It is if I may presume to speack for Len the sin of hubris that Len cautions against (as do I) Hubris is dangerous if we are seen as too full of hubris instaed taking our due credit,we the ARS may be seen by the powers that be as unworthy of the freqs we hold From everything I've heard so far, as a result of Hurricane Katrina, we (hams) will be viewed as considerably worthy of the frequencies we are allowed to operate on. Be proud Hams, but claim no glory not due us, there is enough due us Agree completely, but I don't see any hams claiming any undue glory to begin with. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
Bill Sohl wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... Bill Sohl wrote: wrote in message oups.com... From: "Bill Sohl" on Fri 2 Sep 2005 02:08 "Bill Sohl" wrote in message cut For tens of thousands of humans in Louisiana and Mississippi, the basic needs for survival are NEEDED NOW. Most don't have a single one of the basic needs now and none of those can be supplied by a radio. Local aid people have to handle that, up-close and personal, ON THE SCENE. Now radio communications CAN be of service to those local aid people, coordinating their activities and delivery/distribution of needed supplies/shelter. Such radio communications is presently being handled by radio facilities that survived the hurricane and following flooding. Maybe THAT is where amateur radios (that also survived the hurricane and flooding) can help. "Health and welfare messages" just wouldn't be on a disaster victim's immediate needs right now. True to a point, but there's also been no shortage of victims making an efffort to let others know they are safe. Not every victim there is only inward focused on their own basic needs. We need to put things in perspective...and rationally try to imagine the plight of victims who have lost almost ALL of their basic survival necessities. Agreed...and the only point I am trying to make is that amateur radio can and is oproviding help for communications. Whatever help that may be, it is still of value and would not necessarily be happening by other (commercial/military/whatever) services because ALL the help resources are already maxed to their limit. And Len is pointing that it seems that Hams in here and the ARRL it publication is rateing the importance of that aid the ARS does provide and inflating it. In his opinion and mine to point of turning it into something of a Lie Ham radio provides useful, important, and valuble aid in a disaster (esp in one of this size) but it is in the ssecondary (but important feilds) very if any of the Ham radio is all that VITAL, and we (hams) are fooling ourselves if we think otherwise It is if I may presume to speack for Len the sin of hubris that Len cautions against (as do I) Hubris is dangerous if we are seen as too full of hubris instaed taking our due credit,we the ARS may be seen by the powers that be as unworthy of the freqs we hold From everything I've heard so far, as a result of Hurricane Katrina, we (hams) will be viewed as considerably worthy of the frequencies we are allowed to operate on. as do I but if we make it more than it is we risk damaging the the value of that service in maintaining our freqs Indeed we have seen some of the regs in here spend years calling those that even want to discuss how much we are doing and its value savagely attacked by others for even bring the question up I think it is vital that we all take a GOOD look at this disaster and be very careful what we say about it and about our roles in it Be proud Hams, but claim no glory not due us, there is enough due us Agree completely, but I don't see any hams claiming any undue glory to begin with. But i see hams, here at least, dismissing the efforts and uses of other means, indeed even insulting them. Over the years frankly at best bluring the lines of what we have have done, and I am guessing we will see more later later in print (based on past write ups or other disasters) Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
Bill Sohl wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message snip Be proud Hams, but claim no glory not due us, there is enough due us Agree completely, but I don't see any hams claiming any undue glory to begin with. Who decides? For some in this group. any is too much. - Mike KB3EIA - |
From: Bill Sohl on Sep 2, 6:46 am
wrote in message From: "Bill Sohl" on Fri 2 Sep 2005 02:08 "Bill Sohl" wrote in message wrote in message From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. "Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur? Agreed. Let me revise that. If non-amateur includes CD, FRS and GMRS then I agree. If by amateur Len is only referencing the Amateur Service (Part 97) then I disagree and would suggest the following. Commercial Infrastructure is anything other than CB, FRS, GMRS or Amateur Service. Bill, not to nit-pick, but on the same subject you would have to add in the NATIONAL GUARD. Definitely not "commercial." One could also add the National Military Forces should they be activated; Louisiana NG is already activated within that state. National Guard has rugged multi-environment equipment and vehicles. We can also consider local PUBLIC SAFETY agencies as "non- commercial" (police, fire, ambulances), could we not? In truth, New Orleans has only 1,500 police officers, not nearly enough to properly police things in such a devastated area, but they do have local radio communications equipment. --- We ought to consider what BASIC EMERGENCY NEEDS are. Plain survival always comes first with humans (sex is secondary to survival). For that the BASIC NEEDS a Food, shelter (dry), toilet, hygiene, clothing/footwear (as appropriate for climate), medical (as needed, not all need it immediately), protection/police. That order is approximate, most-to-least. In the immediate disaster areas of Louisiana and Mississippi, those basic needs are being provided (not necessarily all or in order) by the LOCALS who are within human-voice talking distance of victims. Most of those BASIC NEEDS come from supplies and/or services and must be physically delivered. In many observed situations, supplies and services CANNOT be phsically delivered due to flooding making roads impassible, existing aerial wires prohibiting helicopter descents, debris of all kinds inhibiting water or vehicles. Looking at the overall big picture of SURVIVAL for tens of thousands of victims, "communications" some distance away is NOT on the BASIC SURVIVAL need list. Victims want to communicate with immediate rescuers, helpers, aid people FIRST. They must have BASIC NEEDS. Once those basic needs are at least partly satisfied, they can turn their attention to distant communications, to contact family, friends...but that is NOT in the basic needs listing. Those of us sitting in safe, dry homes, typing away at keyboards, have the basic needs at hand, don't need help. Most of us don't think about them because we aren't in a disaster zone, suffering the aftermath of widespread destruction, flooding. It is very easy to talk about radio networks and health and welfare messages AS IF they were some kind of "basic needs" but those are NOT. Yes, news to/from family and friends IS important, but, when faced with a loss of everything or nearly everything in the BASIC NEEDS FOR SURVIVAL listing, it is way down on the importance priority. For tens of thousands of humans in Louisiana and Mississippi, the basic needs for survival are NEEDED NOW. Most don't have a single one of the basic needs now and none of those can be supplied by a radio. Local aid people have to handle that, up-close and personal, ON THE SCENE. Now radio communications CAN be of service to those local aid people, coordinating their activities and delivery/distribution of needed supplies/shelter. Such radio communications is presently being handled by radio facilities that survived the hurricane and following flooding. Maybe THAT is where amateur radios (that also survived the hurricane and flooding) can help. "Health and welfare messages" just wouldn't be on a disaster victim's immediate needs right now. True to a point, but there's also been no shortage of victims making an efffort to let others know they are safe. Not every victim there is only inward focused on their own basic needs. I would revise that, Bill. There is fear, anxiety, anger, all sorts of extreme emotions being displayed for anyone to see. "Inward focus" is an inappropriate choice of words. There are over a QUARTER MILLION HOMES destroyed/unliveable/not-there in the disaster zones of the Mississippi Delta. All those homeless JUST DON'T HAVE ANY BASIC NEEDS. Period. That is their ONLY "focus" right now. We need to put things in perspective...and rationally try to imagine the plight of victims who have lost almost ALL of their basic survival necessities. Agreed...and the only point I am trying to make is that amateur radio can and is oproviding help for communications. Whatever help that may be, it is still of value and would not necessarily be happening by other (commercial/military/whatever) services because ALL the help resources are already maxed to their limit. Unfortunately, there will and ARE a bunch of ham flag wavers in here doing their emotional thing and triumphing on the "great help" that amateur radio is doing. Those emotional beings are essentially equating their hobby activity, self-pride, and whatever else they feel about the hobby "service" with that of a few who are providing emotional sustenance to SOME "civilians" who have made it to the periphery of the disaster area. My wife and I just watched a supply convoy of high-wheeled trucks (dozens) loaded with many things inching their way into New Orleans through water, their wheels leaving a virtual boat wake, somehow able to stay on a hard-to-see "roadway." Radio didn't drive those trucks. I doubt those truck drivers are "amateur" drivers. I salute THEM for daring to bring much- needed supplies through a seemingly impassible path. Yes, there ARE emotional needs for many and amateur radio WILL satisfy those things. But, the providers of such emotional filling are NOT "heroes," just good people who help any way they can. A lot of named and anonymous posters in here are wrapping themselves in "hero" clothing just by identifying with the REAL WORKERS getting up-close and personal with victims IN the disaster area. Those named and anonymous are sitting safe and far away from any current disaster and drinking in some personally-perceived glory and acclaim while NOT being in any danger or even taken away from their recreation. We WILL see a similar outpouring from the big national amateur membership organization on all the "help" being provided. That is what many of the safe and untouched radio hobbyists want to hear, feeding their own self-enobling egos. That has gone on for years. It is the basis for more myths and sagas which will be repeated many times in an effort of self-enoblement...and fostering a false spirit of do-gooderism by said organization. But, trying to bring reality into such self-praising efforts is counterproductive. The self-enoblers can do no wrong, as they often imply (if not stating outright). They will fight to a newsgroup death for their "right" to enoble themselves, their "virtue" and "sanctity." Phooey. There are many REAL Aid Organizations hard at work. We can all support those as best we can. We can also reward those who are up-close and personal IN the disaster areas, doing things for victims to restore their BASIC NEEDS. Self-enoblement of a radio hobby is a bit out of place when this nation has just experienced the worst disaster in its history. |
Health and Welfare traffic is lower priority but it's still important
for people to know that their friends/relatives are okay and they know he's okay too. Then they can attend to matters at hand with a clearer head. Ham radio offloads H&W from police/govt/mil comm links so they have enough bandwidth to handle the high priority stuff. |
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:24:36 GMT, "Bill Sohl"
wrote in . net: snip Be proud Hams, but claim no glory not due us, there is enough due us Agree completely, but I don't see any hams claiming any undue glory to begin with. Maybe, maybe not. But it sure wouldn't hurt to postpone the medal presentation ceremonies until -after- they find and bury all the bodies. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Isn't it ironic citizens despise amateur radio and they will go to court to
insure amateur antennas are never installed in their neighborhood. But when commercial radio and cell phone fail, they expect we can provide communication without antennas. Think about it. AA8X "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. 7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure. I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to family and friends outside of the disaster area. Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call before. And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove it. Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing. Dan/W4NTI |
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 01:15:18 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in et: "Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. 7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure. I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to family and friends outside of the disaster area. Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call before. And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove it. Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing. Dan/W4NTI Ask frankieboy to turn on his SeeBee and tell us all about the disaster traffic they are handling. This just came over 3965... On 3965, KB7BSA is with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi MS. She just passed this along after sending out 40 Health and Welfare messages..... " Ham radio is all there is for communications. Police, Fire, Rescue, Emergency Services, all of them using Ham Radio, there is NOTHING ELSE that works" I've always said that ham radio has it's usefulness in certain situations. This is most definitely one of those situations. But I have no doubt whatsoever that every -other- mode of communication that works, radio or not, is being used to it's fullest limitations. And for some glory seeking hams to declare themselves and their service to be the exclusive 'heros de jour' is absolutely repulsive, especially while the situation continues to erode and people continue to die. Let me make this -REAL- clear to you, Dan: It's not about ham radio or any other radio service. It's about the people that are suffering in this disaster. So instead of thumping your chest while standing on a pile of rubble and dead bodies, how about you hero-wannabe hammies show a little dignity and set aside your self-aggrandizing delusions for a little while? I'm sorry Frank....I'm too tired to debate your idiotic comments. Ain't no one thumping chests here. I have ran several pieces of traffic from the disaster area tonight. Made the calls and I'm damn proud of Ham Radio. If you don't like it. Gent bent Dan/W4NTI ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
"Bob" wrote in message oups.com... Health and Welfare traffic is lower priority but it's still important for people to know that their friends/relatives are okay and they know he's okay too. Then they can attend to matters at hand with a clearer head. Ham radio offloads H&W from police/govt/mil comm links so they have enough bandwidth to handle the high priority stuff. Sure H&W is of less importance. Saving lives is the highest priority. But you know something? It sure made me feel good when I delivered those messages from the disaster area. That is worth all the BS I read in here. Dan/W4NTI |
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. 7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure. I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to family and friends outside of the disaster area. Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call before. And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove it. Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing. Dan/W4NTI And I'd like to add kudos for all those outside the disaster area who are processing the traffic. I've heard people with voices quavery with extreme old age and voices young enough that I doubt they are old enough to shave and every age in between. All are operating in an efficient and professional manner. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Ain't it amazing Dee? Ham Radio is safe. I no longer doubt it. Dan/W4NTI |
Yeah it sucks....but you know something? We still manage to be able to
communicate. Dan/W4NTI "RJ" wrote in message ... Isn't it ironic citizens despise amateur radio and they will go to court to insure amateur antennas are never installed in their neighborhood. But when commercial radio and cell phone fail, they expect we can provide communication without antennas. Think about it. AA8X "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. 7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure. I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to family and friends outside of the disaster area. Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call before. And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove it. Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing. Dan/W4NTI |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Bob" wrote in message oups.com... Health and Welfare traffic is lower priority but it's still important for people to know that their friends/relatives are okay and they know he's okay too. Then they can attend to matters at hand with a clearer head. Ham radio offloads H&W from police/govt/mil comm links so they have enough bandwidth to handle the high priority stuff. Sure H&W is of less importance. Saving lives is the highest priority. But you know something? It sure made me feel good when I delivered those messages from the disaster area. That is worth all the BS I read in here. thank you for making my point so well Dan Hams don't look with much real objectivity on their role in disasters Dan/W4NTI |
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:08:47 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in . net: First you wrote: ...Ain't no one thumping chests here. Immediately followed by: I have ran several pieces of traffic from the disaster area tonight. Made the calls and I'm damn proud of Ham Radio. Hypocrite. If you don't like it. Gent bent It's morons like you who secretly -wanted- something this bad to happen just so you could have the opportunity to "step up to the plate". Yep, all those people are suffering and dying so -you- can feel good about being a ham -- you -should- be proud. Get some perspective you sick ****. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Shut up you silly *******.
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. 7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure. I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to family and friends outside of the disaster area. Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call before. And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove it. Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing. Dan/W4NTI |
"an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Bob" wrote in message oups.com... Health and Welfare traffic is lower priority but it's still important for people to know that their friends/relatives are okay and they know he's okay too. Then they can attend to matters at hand with a clearer head. Ham radio offloads H&W from police/govt/mil comm links so they have enough bandwidth to handle the high priority stuff. Sure H&W is of less importance. Saving lives is the highest priority. But you know something? It sure made me feel good when I delivered those messages from the disaster area. That is worth all the BS I read in here. thank you for making my point so well Dan Hams don't look with much real objectivity on their role in disasters Dan/W4NTI And what are you doing in support of this disaster asshole? Dan/W4NTI |
And what are you doing to help out in this disaster?
Dan/W4NTI "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:08:47 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in . net: First you wrote: ...Ain't no one thumping chests here. Immediately followed by: I have ran several pieces of traffic from the disaster area tonight. Made the calls and I'm damn proud of Ham Radio. Hypocrite. If you don't like it. Gent bent It's morons like you who secretly -wanted- something this bad to happen just so you could have the opportunity to "step up to the plate". Yep, all those people are suffering and dying so -you- can feel good about being a ham -- you -should- be proud. Get some perspective you sick ****. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
I often wonder why people of N7TX attitude bother to get a ham license.
Dan/W4NTI "N7TX" wrote in message news:1125759540.de4a521babaa020dfecc504628076cb8@t eranews... Shut up you silly *******. "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed. 7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure. I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to family and friends outside of the disaster area. Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call before. And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove it. Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing. Dan/W4NTI |
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