On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:49:48 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:


And what are you doing in support of this disaster asshole?

Dan/W4NTI

Personally, I haven't done anything to support the disaster...

....I HAVE helped the relief effort by donating to the American Red
Cross.

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:51:12 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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And what are you doing to help out in this disaster?


Don't spin it around on me, Dan. This is one of the worst disasters in
US history and it's not over. But you and other hams are already using
other people's suffering as an opportunity to 'strut your stuff' and
brag about your accomplishments which aren't exactly spectacular --
did you get some food and water to the hungry and thirsty? Did you
pull someone out of the debris? Did you give first aid to the injured?
Of course not. You passed a couple personal messages. That was a big
sacrifice on your behalf, I'm sure.

You want bragging rights? Then go down there, get yourself hip-deep in
the muck, take in the sights and smells, and do something purely for
someone -else's- benefit instead of your own. THEN come back here and
tell us all about it.








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You don't get it do you "Frank Gilliland". I'm not bragging....all I'm
doing is TRYING to show you malcontent jerks that Ham Radio is Alive and
Well. And damn sure capable of "earning its pay". But I guess you and your
kind won't ever understand that.

Oh and I'm sorry but the wife won't let me head out to the area. My ability
to walk is very limited. But she volunteered to go do her thing, she is a
Certified Nursing Assistant.

Again "Frank" what are you doing but running your mouth?

Dan/W4NTI

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:51:12 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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And what are you doing to help out in this disaster?


Don't spin it around on me, Dan. This is one of the worst disasters in
US history and it's not over. But you and other hams are already using
other people's suffering as an opportunity to 'strut your stuff' and
brag about your accomplishments which aren't exactly spectacular --
did you get some food and water to the hungry and thirsty? Did you
pull someone out of the debris? Did you give first aid to the injured?
Of course not. You passed a couple personal messages. That was a big
sacrifice on your behalf, I'm sure.

You want bragging rights? Then go down there, get yourself hip-deep in
the muck, take in the sights and smells, and do something purely for
someone -else's- benefit instead of your own. THEN come back here and
tell us all about it.








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"Uncle Ted" wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:49:48 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:


And what are you doing in support of this disaster asshole?

Dan/W4NTI

Personally, I haven't done anything to support the disaster...

...I HAVE helped the relief effort by donating to the American Red
Cross.


Good man.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
You don't get it do you "Frank Gilliland". I'm not bragging....all I'm
doing is TRYING to show you malcontent jerks that Ham Radio is Alive and
Well. And damn sure capable of "earning its pay". But I guess you and y=
our
kind won't ever understand that.

you are braging,

Oh and I'm sorry but the wife won't let me head out to the area. My abil=
ity
to walk is very limited. But she volunteered to go do her thing, she is=
a
Certified Nursing Assistant.

Again "Frank" what are you doing but running your mouth?

Dan/W4NTI

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:51:12 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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And what are you doing to help out in this disaster?


Don't spin it around on me, Dan. This is one of the worst disasters in
US history and it's not over. But you and other hams are already using
other people's suffering as an opportunity to 'strut your stuff' and
brag about your accomplishments which aren't exactly spectacular --
did you get some food and water to the hungry and thirsty? Did you
pull someone out of the debris? Did you give first aid to the injured?
Of course not. You passed a couple personal messages. That was a big
sacrifice on your behalf, I'm sure.

You want bragging rights? Then go down there, get yourself hip-deep in
the muck, take in the sights and smells, and do something purely for
someone -else's- benefit instead of your own. THEN come back here and
tell us all about it.








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"an_old_friend" wrote

you are braging,

My granny always told me "It ain't bragging if you can do it."

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
--
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"KØHB" wrote in message
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"an_old_friend" wrote

you are braging,

My granny always told me "It ain't bragging if you can do it."

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
--
Grand Exhalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke





I guess I better not mention to him what I am doing with MARS also, eh?

That is bragging too, right?

Dan/W4NTI

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote


I guess I better not mention to him what I am doing with MARS also, eh?


Whatever you mention about Amateur Radio, "Old Friend" will denigrate it.

Beep beep!
de Hans, K0HB

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:12:17 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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You don't get it do you "Frank Gilliland". I'm not bragging....


"I have ran several pieces of traffic from the disaster area tonight.
Made the calls and I'm damn proud of Ham Radio."


all I'm
doing is TRYING to show you malcontent jerks that Ham Radio is Alive and
Well.


Who is disputing that fact?


And damn sure capable of "earning its pay". But I guess you and your
kind won't ever understand that.


I understand it very well. I also understand that the state of ham
radio is not the topic. The topic is the twisted pleasure you get as a
result of the misery of others.


Oh and I'm sorry but the wife won't let me head out to the area. My ability
to walk is very limited. But she volunteered to go do her thing, she is a
Certified Nursing Assistant.


Good for her. At least -she- isn't in here begging for praise.


Again "Frank" what are you doing but running your mouth?


There you go again, trying to make this issue about me. Resolve your
own issues first, let the circumstances settle, and then maybe we can
discuss my contributions.









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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:54:49 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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"KØHB" wrote in message
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"an_old_friend" wrote

you are braging,

My granny always told me "It ain't bragging if you can do it."

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
--
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I guess I better not mention to him what I am doing with MARS also, eh?

That is bragging too, right?


Look at the subject line of this post. This entire thread was started
by you doing nothing -but- bragging; i.e, "how Ham Radio has stepped
up to the plate", how it's "showing its stuff", etc. Maybe you've
forgotten the definition of the word "brag"..... let me refresh your
failing memory, Dan:

brag -- v. [OFr, 'braguer'], to boast. n. 1. a boast; boasting. 2. a
person or thing boasted of. 3. a braggart.

braggart -- n. an offensively boastful person.

And it's certainly offensive when there are still people suffering
while you are carrying on about how great ham radio is and how you get
a warm fuzzy when you pass a couple messages. That's like a little kid
at a funeral begging for attention by making faces and yelling, "Look
at me! Look at me!". How old are you anyway, Dan?







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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message
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Health and Welfare traffic is lower priority but it's still important
for people to know that their friends/relatives are okay and they know
he's okay too. Then they can attend to matters at hand with a clearer
head. Ham radio offloads H&W from police/govt/mil comm links so they
have enough bandwidth to handle the high priority stuff.


Sure H&W is of less importance. Saving lives is the highest priority.
But
you know something? It sure made me feel good when I delivered those
messages from the disaster area. That is worth all the BS I read in
here.

thank you for making my point so well Dan

Hams don't look with much real objectivity on their role in disasters

Dan/W4NTI


And what are you doing in support of this disaster asshole?

One I am not making Ham radio look bad by puting on airs

Two, Nothing realy for me to do (as a radio operator), No 6m or sat
traffic to assit with I am tech class as you should know by now.

as a Private person well I am waiting for some folks to get here form
NO been geting ready shelter them likely for the winter, contribing
though such organizations as I choose


Now of course you are bragging and ****ed now that you are not getting
rave reviews for your efforts

Dan/W4NTI

Braging see the following
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing
Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed.

7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure.

I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in
Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to
family and friends outside of the disaster area.

Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call
before.

And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove it.

taking this disaster and using it as club to beat up someone you don't
like

such Nobility ham radio can do without

Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing.

Dan/W4NTI

--
Grand Exhalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke





I guess I better not mention to him what I am doing with MARS also, eh?

That is bragging too, right?

Dan/W4NTI

...

No, Dan. You are not bragging but stating fact.
Keep up the fine work and pay no heed to the Blowguts such as Lennie and his
apostles.

From: K0HB on Sep 3, 5:32 pm


"an_old_friend" wrote

you are braging,

My granny always told me "It ain't bragging if you can do it."

Then your "granny" is Jimmie Miccolis or she was a mis-quoted
former baseball player.


On "bragging:" Frank has the real motive pinned to the wall with
a big sign saying (variously) "Look at me!", "Love me because I am
a Hero", "Ham radio is Heroic, a savior to mankind" or some such
nonsensical SELF-praise.

Dan Jeswald and some others have the stock non-reply ready and
waiting: "Disagree with me and you HATE ham radio!" :-)

Indeed, ANY disagreement with Truthspeak sayings of the ARRL is
labeled as "You HATE ham radio!"

That sort of "critique" is as boring as it is nonsensical. It is
just bullsnit.

Amateur radio is a HOBBY, a personal activity involving
transmission of RF energy communications for recreation as a fun
avocation. It has always been so since the beginning of government
regulated radio 93 years ago. It is called a "service" because
that is the regulatory term used by the FCC for all U.S. civil
radio to denote a type and kind of radio being regulated.

Sending health and welfare messages does NOT supply BASIC NEEDS
to disaster victims, doesn't give them food, shelter, hygiene
facilities, medical aid, or anything else but some slight emotional
sustenance. Once this snack bite of emotion is satisfied, the
victims are still stuck with BASIC NEEDS that aren't satisfied by
some radio messages. Health and welfare messages do NOT reach into
the disaster center where the majority of victims are. Health and
welfare messages to distant family and friends usually "travels"
on the existing infrastructure of public communications that was
not affected by any disaster. Health and welfare messages don't
transport homeless victims to dry shelter over almost-impassible
flooded roadways. But, some of the carriers of a FEW health and
welfare messages think they are the next thing to those who can
walk on water, those who perform miracles, and other vainglorious
accomplishments.

ORDINARY CITIZENS can do much for disaster victims in their own
way by whatever means work for them. Few ordinary citizens want
"name recognition" for themselves or gratuitous praise heaped on
them for minor assistance efforts. They do it because they are
human and want to help fellow humans victimized by a disaster.
Tens of thousands, perhaps more, are doing that already. They
aren't USING what they do in order to heap praise upon themselves.
They just do it and that's that.

But, in HERE, we've got those who grab the banners of praise and
wrap it around themselves and parrot the feel-good phrases of the
clubs "Ham radio is showing what it's good for!" as if that were
the sole purpose of creation of that radio service. It wasn't.
Public Safety Radio Services were created for that and more and
have been as busy as possible, working without fanfare or big
signs of "look at me, I'm a hero" on their T-shirts.

So, somebody passes some health and welfare messages on a Net.
Clap, clap, mild applause. Their medals and certificates of valor
are in the mail. Not to worry, a big membership organization will
compose the sagas that will become legend in history. All those
Net members are automatic HEROES for passing messages and then
passing gas about their Wonderful Good Works. Clap, clap.

All who call their passing gas as vainglorious are labeled
"haters of ham radio" in order to end any and all discussion.
The HOBBY must remain "heroic." Clap, clap.


bip bip

---
Liberator of Common Sense and Deflator of Gaseous Egos

You are one large pathetic example of a ham radio operator. You sit there
and badmouth not just me, but every one of the thousands of hams that are,
or will be, directly involved in this emergence. You self admit that your
just a tech and don't see anything you can do on radio, what am I to do?
Feel sorry for you and your tech ticket? ITS NOT ABOUT YOU. Then you turn
it all around and make it look like I, the messenger of a good thing, am
bragging.

You sir are not just a idiot but a disgrace. Turn in your license and shut
your stupid face.

Dan/W4NTI

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Health and Welfare traffic is lower priority but it's still
important
for people to know that their friends/relatives are okay and they
know
he's okay too. Then they can attend to matters at hand with a
clearer
head. Ham radio offloads H&W from police/govt/mil comm links so
they
have enough bandwidth to handle the high priority stuff.


Sure H&W is of less importance. Saving lives is the highest priority.
But
you know something? It sure made me feel good when I delivered those
messages from the disaster area. That is worth all the BS I read in
here.

thank you for making my point so well Dan

Hams don't look with much real objectivity on their role in disasters

Dan/W4NTI


And what are you doing in support of this disaster asshole?

One I am not making Ham radio look bad by puting on airs

Two, Nothing realy for me to do (as a radio operator), No 6m or sat
traffic to assit with I am tech class as you should know by now.

as a Private person well I am waiting for some folks to get here form
NO been geting ready shelter them likely for the winter, contribing
though such organizations as I choose


Now of course you are bragging and ****ed now that you are not getting
rave reviews for your efforts

Dan/W4NTI

"KØHB" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote


I guess I better not mention to him what I am doing with MARS also, eh?


Whatever you mention about Amateur Radio, "Old Friend" will denigrate it.

Beep beep!
de Hans, K0HB




Tell me about it. I put him in the same category as Lennie the loon.

Dan/W4NTI

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:54:49 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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"KØHB" wrote in message
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"an_old_friend" wrote

you are braging,

My granny always told me "It ain't bragging if you can do it."

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
--
Grand Exhalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke





I guess I better not mention to him what I am doing with MARS also, eh?

That is bragging too, right?


Look at the subject line of this post. This entire thread was started
by you doing nothing -but- bragging; i.e, "how Ham Radio has stepped
up to the plate", how it's "showing its stuff", etc. Maybe you've
forgotten the definition of the word "brag"..... let me refresh your
failing memory, Dan:

brag -- v. [OFr, 'braguer'], to boast. n. 1. a boast; boasting. 2. a
person or thing boasted of. 3. a braggart.

braggart -- n. an offensively boastful person.

And it's certainly offensive when there are still people suffering
while you are carrying on about how great ham radio is and how you get
a warm fuzzy when you pass a couple messages. That's like a little kid
at a funeral begging for attention by making faces and yelling, "Look
at me! Look at me!". How old are you anyway, Dan?

I'm old enough to know an ignorant SOB when I see one. YOU.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote

I put him in the same category as Lennie the loon.

Now you've gone and insulted both of them (but don't worry --- they'll both
consider it a compliment!)

73, de Hans, K0HB

Disecting a real pack of lies

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
You are one large pathetic example of a ham radio operator.cut

first lie since oyu of course have no idea what my skills are as an Ham
radio operator

cut You sit there
and badmouth not just me, cut
Second lie follows Never said anything againt thousands of ham
operators just Dan's bragging

cut but every one of the thousands of hams that are,
or will be, directly involved in this emergence. You self admit that your
just a tech and don't see anything you can do on radio, cut
Ok to here but then
Cut what am I to do?

Never said anything like that a third lie in as many lines

Feel sorry for you and your tech ticket? cut

Another lie/personal attack I simply pointed my license class effective
precludes my jioning in the effort, which it clearly does. I answer his
questions and he he is ****ed off

cutITS NOT ABOUT YOU. cut
But at that point in answering your question about what I was Doing it
was certainly about me

so another Lie

Cut Then you turn
it all around and make it look like I, the messenger of a good thing, am
bragging.

as You are bragging you post was about YOU and what YOU did and then
trying to use the incident as a club against others

You are a Bully and a Bragart

You sir are not just a idiot but a disgrace. Turn in your license and shut
your stupid face.

just the Bulling we have seen for years from the elitists like yourself

Not about to turn in my license or shut up

You should grow up and act like an adult.

Learn to accept that not everyone in the world MUST agree with you



Dan/W4NTI

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Health and Welfare traffic is lower priority but it's still
important
for people to know that their friends/relatives are okay and they
know
he's okay too. Then they can attend to matters at hand with a
clearer
head. Ham radio offloads H&W from police/govt/mil comm links so
they
have enough bandwidth to handle the high priority stuff.


Sure H&W is of less importance. Saving lives is the highest priority.
But
you know something? It sure made me feel good when I delivered those
messages from the disaster area. That is worth all the BS I read in
here.

thank you for making my point so well Dan

Hams don't look with much real objectivity on their role in disasters

Dan/W4NTI


And what are you doing in support of this disaster asshole?

One I am not making Ham radio look bad by puting on airs

Two, Nothing realy for me to do (as a radio operator), No 6m or sat
traffic to assit with I am tech class as you should know by now.

as a Private person well I am waiting for some folks to get here form
NO been geting ready shelter them likely for the winter, contribing
though such organizations as I choose


Now of course you are bragging and ****ed now that you are not getting
rave reviews for your efforts

Dan/W4NTI

"an_old_friend" wrote


Another lie/personal attack I simply pointed my license class effective
precludes my jioning in the effort, which it clearly does.


Don't take that cop-out, Old Friend. Competent operators of all license classes
(especially including UHF/VHF Techs) will be in great demand over the next many
months of recovery. Put together a capable VHF/UHF station, maybe including a
portable repeater or a base rig with cross-band repeat capability, and volunteer
your services at http://katrina.ab2m.net/ .

73, de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote


Another lie/personal attack I simply pointed my license class effective
precludes my jioning in the effort, which it clearly does.


Don't take that cop-out, Old Friend. Competent operators of all license =
classes
(especially including UHF/VHF Techs) will be in great demand over the nex=
t many
months of recovery. Put together a capable VHF/UHF station, maybe includ=
ing a
portable repeater or a base rig with cross-band repeat capability, and vo=
lunteer
your services at http://katrina.ab2m.net/ .

I have duties of my own as I have siad a number of times I have my old
man to care for

If I could without leaving the area certainly
=20
73, de Hans, K0HB

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"K=D8HB" wrote in message
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cut



It's amazing.....where did we get this type of person in ham radio? Is
there something in the water, or what? I can only hope he won't renew. =
We
sure don't need them in the SERVICE.

learn some manners Dan

Oh right now a large number of Alabama hams are traveling to the South Al=
a/
Mississippi area to set up VHF links between shelters and Red Cross
facilities.

sure fine

a different story to move from The Canadian border to to AL

cut

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:56:14 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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"KØHB" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote

I put him in the same category as Lennie the loon.

Now you've gone and insulted both of them (but don't worry --- they'll
both consider it a compliment!)

73, de Hans, K0HB




It's amazing.....where did we get this type of person in ham radio? Is
there something in the water, or what? I can only hope he won't renew. We
sure don't need them in the SERVICE.


Again, get some perspective Dan..... it's a radio service for
AMATEURS. IOW, it's a HOBBY. You speak like you are a commissioned
officer in the National Guard. Get over yourself.


Oh right now a large number of Alabama hams are traveling to the South Ala/
Mississippi area to set up VHF links between shelters and Red Cross
facilities.

Most to All of the operators are TECHNICIAN CLASS. Probably mostly new
hams to boot. And none are caught up in the BS I have read here. There
actually doing something. I've said it before and I'll say it again...I am
proud of what the hams are doing. If that is considered bragging, so be
it.


It's great what the hams are doing. But -you- are strutting.








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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:56:14 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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"K=D8HB" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote

I put him in the same category as Lennie the loon.

Now you've gone and insulted both of them (but don't worry --- they'll
both consider it a compliment!)

73, de Hans, K0HB




It's amazing.....where did we get this type of person in ham radio? Is
there something in the water, or what? I can only hope he won't renew. =
We
sure don't need them in the SERVICE.


break
Again, get some perspective Dan..... it's a radio service for
AMATEURS. IOW, it's a HOBBY. You speak like you are a commissioned
officer in the National Guard. Get over yourself.

Frank you are forgeting that The Coded extra's are officers and the
rest of the ARS esp folks like me are supposed to say yes sir to any
idea they have


Oh right now a large number of Alabama hams are traveling to the South A=
la/
Mississippi area to set up VHF links between shelters and Red Cross
facilities.

Most to All of the operators are TECHNICIAN CLASS. Probably mostly new
hams to boot. And none are caught up in the BS I have read here. There
actually doing something. I've said it before and I'll say it again...I=
am
proud of what the hams are doing. If that is considered bragging, so be
it.


It's great what the hams are doing. But -you- are strutting.

Indeed that is the problem we have Hams Like Stevie and Danny boy. they
feel they ARE the entire ARS and therefore any slight of them is a
slight of the whole ARS.

Ham are prefroming useful and valueble service, but Dan was bragging
and has been drawn up short, so he goes on the attack

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:20:03 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:54:49 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:


"KØHB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"an_old_friend" wrote

you are braging,

My granny always told me "It ain't bragging if you can do it."

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
--
Grand Exhalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke





I guess I better not mention to him what I am doing with MARS also, eh?

That is bragging too, right?


Look at the subject line of this post. This entire thread was started
by you doing nothing -but- bragging; i.e, "how Ham Radio has stepped
up to the plate", how it's "showing its stuff", etc. Maybe you've
forgotten the definition of the word "brag"..... let me refresh your
failing memory, Dan:

brag -- v. [OFr, 'braguer'], to boast. n. 1. a boast; boasting. 2. a
person or thing boasted of. 3. a braggart.

braggart -- n. an offensively boastful person.

And it's certainly offensive when there are still people suffering
while you are carrying on about how great ham radio is and how you get
a warm fuzzy when you pass a couple messages. That's like a little kid
at a funeral begging for attention by making faces and yelling, "Look
at me! Look at me!". How old are you anyway, Dan?

I'm old enough to know an ignorant SOB when I see one. YOU.


But apparently not old enough to address your personal issues and
refrain from grade-school rhetoric. I most certainly am an SOB, but
you write the book when it comes to ignorance. It's not your fault
that your parents didn't teach you how there is a time for bragging
and a time for condolence. But after being gone from the nest for how
long now..... 40 years?..... you should have learned such basic moral
principles on your own. Your -only- excuse is ignorance. Isn't it
about time you grew up?









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"KØHB" wrote in message
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"an_old_friend" wrote


Another lie/personal attack I simply pointed my license class effective
precludes my jioning in the effort, which it clearly does.


Don't take that cop-out, Old Friend. Competent operators of all license
classes (especially including UHF/VHF Techs) will be in great demand over
the next many months of recovery. Put together a capable VHF/UHF station,
maybe including a portable repeater or a base rig with cross-band repeat
capability, and volunteer your services at http://katrina.ab2m.net/ .

73, de Hans, K0HB


In addition, when the health and welfare traffic arrives in the general area
of its destination, it often goes into LOCAL VHF nets. Techs can
participate fully there, pick up traffic, and deliver it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

KØHB wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote


Another lie/personal attack I simply pointed my license class effective
precludes my jioning in the effort, which it clearly does.


Don't take that cop-out, Old Friend. Competent operators of all license
classes
(especially including UHF/VHF Techs) will be in great demand over the next
many
months of recovery. Put together a capable VHF/UHF station, maybe
including a
portable repeater or a base rig with cross-band repeat capability, and
volunteer
your services at http://katrina.ab2m.net/ .

I have duties of my own as I have siad a number of times I have my old
man to care for

If I could without leaving the area certainly

73, de Hans, K0HB
_________________________________

Check into your LOCAL VHF traffic net.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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cut
I have duties of my own as I have siad a number of times I have my old
man to care for

If I could without leaving the area certainly

73, de Hans, K0HB
_________________________________

Check into your LOCAL VHF traffic net.

there is no local VHF traffic net

the UP net is HF don't recall the eact freq but since I recall it being
on LSB it is well below 30 MHZ


you might try checking your facts before you join in the flaming

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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cut
I have duties of my own as I have siad a number of times I have my old
man to care for

If I could without leaving the area certainly

73, de Hans, K0HB
_________________________________

Check into your LOCAL VHF traffic net.

there is no local VHF traffic net

the UP net is HF don't recall the eact freq but since I recall it being
on LSB it is well below 30 MHZ


you might try checking your facts before you join in the flaming

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


And you might stop flaming those who are participating in one way or
another.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

cut
I have duties of my own as I have siad a number of times I have my old
man to care for

If I could without leaving the area certainly

73, de Hans, K0HB
_________________________________

Check into your LOCAL VHF traffic net.

there is no local VHF traffic net

the UP net is HF don't recall the eact freq but since I recall it being
on LSB it is well below 30 MHZ


you might try checking your facts before you join in the flaming

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


And you might stop flaming those who are participating in one way or
another.

But I am not flaming them

I Am noting that Dan was blowing his own horn said nothing against the
run of the mill traffic handlers

The wrst I have done is say that their service is not the equal of the
Cops or NG or Red cross in the area

You on the other hand have chosen to flame ME for not doing the
impossible while not flaming Hans who appreantly could be there with
working gear and license in a few days

Plenty of the Double standard we see all to often

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"KØHB" wrote in message
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cut



It's amazing.....where did we get this type of person in ham radio? Is
there something in the water, or what? I can only hope he won't renew.
We
sure don't need them in the SERVICE.

learn some manners Dan

Oh right now a large number of Alabama hams are traveling to the South
Ala/
Mississippi area to set up VHF links between shelters and Red Cross
facilities.

sure fine

a different story to move from The Canadian border to to AL

cut

Don't sweat it dipwad....I am completely and totally positive that with your
attitude....No ham radio group would want your "assistance".

Dan/W4NTI

"an_old_friend" wrote


you might try checking your facts before you join in the flaming


I don't think Dee was flaming you. She was just pointing out possible ways you
might find to help out. Only you are in a position to evaluate those
possibilities.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
cut
Don't sweat it dipwad....I am completely and totally positive that with your
attitude....No ham radio group would want your "assistance".

where is Stveie to decry your profanity

More of the Double standard

Dan/W4NTI

K=D8HB wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote


you might try checking your facts before you join in the flaming


I don't think Dee was flaming you. She was just pointing out possible wa=
ys you
might find to help out. Only you are in a position to evaluate those
possibilities.

and you are of course entitled to your opinion as am I
given her response "And you might stop flaming those who are
participating in one way or another. " which doesn't even deny that she
was flaming me I will follow along with my own opinion


=20
73, de Hans, K0HB

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:56:14 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:


"KØHB" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote

I put him in the same category as Lennie the loon.

Now you've gone and insulted both of them (but don't worry --- they'll
both consider it a compliment!)

73, de Hans, K0HB




It's amazing.....where did we get this type of person in ham radio? Is
there something in the water, or what? I can only hope he won't renew.
We
sure don't need them in the SERVICE.


Again, get some perspective Dan..... it's a radio service for
AMATEURS. IOW, it's a HOBBY. You speak like you are a commissioned
officer in the National Guard. Get over yourself.


Oh right now a large number of Alabama hams are traveling to the South
Ala/
Mississippi area to set up VHF links between shelters and Red Cross
facilities.

Most to All of the operators are TECHNICIAN CLASS. Probably mostly new
hams to boot. And none are caught up in the BS I have read here. There
actually doing something. I've said it before and I'll say it again...I
am
proud of what the hams are doing. If that is considered bragging, so be
it.


It's great what the hams are doing. But -you- are strutting.



That's right, I am strutting because I'm proud of the Amateur Radio
Operators that are actually helping. I am also hanging my head in disgust
at those like you that belittle and attack those that are.

Don't bother coming back with another attack on me. You just continue to
show your utter and complete ignorance. Why do you continue this charade?
What are YOU thinking you are accomplishing? We all know you for what you
are. A spoiler and a total fraud. Nobody believes a thing you say.

Dan/W4NTI

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:56:14 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:


"KØHB" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote

I put him in the same category as Lennie the loon.

Now you've gone and insulted both of them (but don't worry --- they'll
both consider it a compliment!)

73, de Hans, K0HB




It's amazing.....where did we get this type of person in ham radio? Is
there something in the water, or what? I can only hope he won't renew.
We
sure don't need them in the SERVICE.


break
Again, get some perspective Dan..... it's a radio service for
AMATEURS. IOW, it's a HOBBY. You speak like you are a commissioned
officer in the National Guard. Get over yourself.

Frank you are forgeting that The Coded extra's are officers and the
rest of the ARS esp folks like me are supposed to say yes sir to any
idea they have


Oh right now a large number of Alabama hams are traveling to the South
Ala/
Mississippi area to set up VHF links between shelters and Red Cross
facilities.

Most to All of the operators are TECHNICIAN CLASS. Probably mostly new
hams to boot. And none are caught up in the BS I have read here. There
actually doing something. I've said it before and I'll say it again...I
am
proud of what the hams are doing. If that is considered bragging, so be
it.


It's great what the hams are doing. But -you- are strutting.

Indeed that is the problem we have Hams Like Stevie and Danny boy. they
feel they ARE the entire ARS and therefore any slight of them is a
slight of the whole ARS.

Ham are prefroming useful and valueble service, but Dan was bragging
and has been drawn up short, so he goes on the attack


Wrong....I attack all idiots....guess what you are.

Dan/W4NTI

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:20:03 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:


"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:54:49 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:


"KØHB" wrote in message
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"an_old_friend" wrote

you are braging,

My granny always told me "It ain't bragging if you can do it."

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
--
Grand Exhalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke





I guess I better not mention to him what I am doing with MARS also, eh?

That is bragging too, right?


Look at the subject line of this post. This entire thread was started
by you doing nothing -but- bragging; i.e, "how Ham Radio has stepped
up to the plate", how it's "showing its stuff", etc. Maybe you've
forgotten the definition of the word "brag"..... let me refresh your
failing memory, Dan:

brag -- v. [OFr, 'braguer'], to boast. n. 1. a boast; boasting. 2. a
person or thing boasted of. 3. a braggart.

braggart -- n. an offensively boastful person.

And it's certainly offensive when there are still people suffering
while you are carrying on about how great ham radio is and how you get
a warm fuzzy when you pass a couple messages. That's like a little kid
at a funeral begging for attention by making faces and yelling, "Look
at me! Look at me!". How old are you anyway, Dan?

I'm old enough to know an ignorant SOB when I see one. YOU.


But apparently not old enough to address your personal issues and
refrain from grade-school rhetoric. I most certainly am an SOB, but
you write the book when it comes to ignorance. It's not your fault
that your parents didn't teach you how there is a time for bragging
and a time for condolence. But after being gone from the nest for how
long now..... 40 years?..... you should have learned such basic moral
principles on your own. Your -only- excuse is ignorance. Isn't it
about time you grew up?


I've been out of the nest since 1964. I was shooting gooks before you were
born. Which was the same year, right?

Keep your left wing crap under you wet behind the ears.

I grew up just fine. What's your problem is the REAL question.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"an_old_friend" wrote


Another lie/personal attack I simply pointed my license class effective
precludes my jioning in the effort, which it clearly does.


Don't take that cop-out, Old Friend. Competent operators of all license
classes (especially including UHF/VHF Techs) will be in great demand over
the next many months of recovery. Put together a capable VHF/UHF
station, maybe including a portable repeater or a base rig with
cross-band repeat capability, and volunteer your services at
http://katrina.ab2m.net/ .

73, de Hans, K0HB


In addition, when the health and welfare traffic arrives in the general
area of its destination, it often goes into LOCAL VHF nets. Techs can
participate fully there, pick up traffic, and deliver it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


That's right. Without the Technician licensees none of this emergency commo
would work so well.

As a matter of fact a LOT of the locals around here are "JUST TECHS" (a bad
thing according to some folks here) and they are doing a fantastic job. Bet
we get a whole lot of upgrades real soon.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
cut


I've been out of the nest since 1964. I was shooting gooks before you we=
re
born. Which was the same year, right?

you racist sack of ****

Keep your left wing crap under you wet behind the ears.

I grew up just fine. What's your problem is the REAL question.

no you never grew up at all
=20
Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:56:14 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:


"K=D8HB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote

I put him in the same category as Lennie the loon.

Now you've gone and insulted both of them (but don't worry --- they'=
ll
both consider it a compliment!)

73, de Hans, K0HB




It's amazing.....where did we get this type of person in ham radio? Is
there something in the water, or what? I can only hope he won't renew.
We
sure don't need them in the SERVICE.


break
Again, get some perspective Dan..... it's a radio service for
AMATEURS. IOW, it's a HOBBY. You speak like you are a commissioned
officer in the National Guard. Get over yourself.

Frank you are forgeting that The Coded extra's are officers and the
rest of the ARS esp folks like me are supposed to say yes sir to any
idea they have


Oh right now a large number of Alabama hams are traveling to the South
Ala/
Mississippi area to set up VHF links between shelters and Red Cross
facilities.

Most to All of the operators are TECHNICIAN CLASS. Probably mostly n=
ew
hams to boot. And none are caught up in the BS I have read here. The=
re
actually doing something. I've said it before and I'll say it again..=
..I
am
proud of what the hams are doing. If that is considered bragging, so=
be
it.


It's great what the hams are doing. But -you- are strutting.

Indeed that is the problem we have Hams Like Stevie and Danny boy. they
feel they ARE the entire ARS and therefore any slight of them is a
slight of the whole ARS.

Ham are prefroming useful and valueble service, but Dan was bragging
and has been drawn up short, so he goes on the attack


Wrong....I attack all idiots....guess what you are.

ah yes anyone that opposes you is an idiot
=20
Dan/W4NTI