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Dan/W4NTI September 5th 05 02:09 AM


"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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I have duties of my own as I have siad a number of times I have my old
man to care for

If I could without leaving the area certainly

73, de Hans, K0HB

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Check into your LOCAL VHF traffic net.


there is no local VHF traffic net

the UP net is HF don't recall the eact freq but since I recall it being
on LSB it is well below 30 MHZ


you might try checking your facts before you join in the flaming


Hey....big mouth....START ONE. Don't know how or what to do? ASK....or do
you know it all?

Dan/W4NTI



an_old_friend September 5th 05 02:12 AM


Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:56:14 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"

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It's great what the hams are doing. But -you- are strutting.



That's right, I am strutting because I'm proud of the Amateur Radio
Operators that are actually helping.


No you are struting becuase you decided to blow your own horn, in
addition to showing pride in the ARS

I am also hanging my head in disgust
at those like you that belittle and attack those that are.

Don't bother coming back with another attack on me. You just continue to
show your utter and complete ignorance. Why do you continue this charade?
What are YOU thinking you are accomplishing? We all know you for what you
are. A spoiler and a total fraud. Nobody believes a thing you say.


Obviously you are at least concerned by what he says meaning you
suspect at least some one is believing

Prehaps deep down one of those persons is YOU
=20
Dan/W4NTI



KØHB September 5th 05 02:14 AM


"an_old_friend" wrote

you racist sack of ****


What race is "gook"? What race is Dan?




Dee Flint September 5th 05 02:36 AM


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Dee Flint wrote:
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Dee Flint wrote:
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I have duties of my own as I have siad a number of times I have my old
man to care for

If I could without leaving the area certainly

73, de Hans, K0HB
_________________________________

Check into your LOCAL VHF traffic net.

there is no local VHF traffic net

the UP net is HF don't recall the eact freq but since I recall it being
on LSB it is well below 30 MHZ


you might try checking your facts before you join in the flaming

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


And you might stop flaming those who are participating in one way or
another.


But I am not flaming them

I Am noting that Dan was blowing his own horn said nothing against the
run of the mill traffic handlers

The wrst I have done is say that their service is not the equal of the
Cops or NG or Red cross in the area

You on the other hand have chosen to flame ME for not doing the
impossible while not flaming Hans who appreantly could be there with
working gear and license in a few days

Plenty of the Double standard we see all to often

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Hans has not indicated anything he couldn't actually do. You, on the other
hand, from appearances so far, have not tried to find anyway you could
contribute. Plus you put down someone who has contributed and is simply
sharing his experience and taking pleasure in what good he and others can
do. Every effort, large or small, is worth doing and celebrating.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Dan/W4NTI September 5th 05 02:45 AM


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Don't sweat it dipwad....I am completely and totally positive that with
your
attitude....No ham radio group would want your "assistance".


where is Stveie to decry your profanity

More of the Double standard

Dan/W4NTI



WHAT PROFANITY? DIPWAD? What a Putz.

Dan/W4NTI



Dan/W4NTI September 5th 05 02:48 AM


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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:56:14 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"

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It's great what the hams are doing. But -you- are strutting.



That's right, I am strutting because I'm proud of the Amateur Radio
Operators that are actually helping.


No you are struting becuase you decided to blow your own horn, in
addition to showing pride in the ARS

And your point is? Hey...if you are so ashamed of ham radio...why dont you
just turn in your license? I think that's a great idea actually.


I am also hanging my head in disgust
at those like you that belittle and attack those that are.

Don't bother coming back with another attack on me. You just continue to
show your utter and complete ignorance. Why do you continue this charade?
What are YOU thinking you are accomplishing? We all know you for what you
are. A spoiler and a total fraud. Nobody believes a thing you say.


Obviously you are at least concerned by what he says meaning you
suspect at least some one is believing

Prehaps deep down one of those persons is YOU

Dan/W4NTI




Dan/W4NTI September 5th 05 02:54 AM


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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:56:14 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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"KØHB" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote

I put him in the same category as Lennie the loon.

Now you've gone and insulted both of them (but don't worry ---
they'll
both consider it a compliment!)

73, de Hans, K0HB




It's amazing.....where did we get this type of person in ham radio? Is
there something in the water, or what? I can only hope he won't renew.
We
sure don't need them in the SERVICE.



break
Again, get some perspective Dan..... it's a radio service for
AMATEURS. IOW, it's a HOBBY. You speak like you are a commissioned
officer in the National Guard. Get over yourself.


Frank you are forgeting that The Coded extra's are officers and the
rest of the ARS esp folks like me are supposed to say yes sir to any
idea they have


Oh right now a large number of Alabama hams are traveling to the South
Ala/
Mississippi area to set up VHF links between shelters and Red Cross
facilities.

Most to All of the operators are TECHNICIAN CLASS. Probably mostly
new
hams to boot. And none are caught up in the BS I have read here.
There
actually doing something. I've said it before and I'll say it
again...I
am
proud of what the hams are doing. If that is considered bragging, so
be
it.



It's great what the hams are doing. But -you- are strutting.


Indeed that is the problem we have Hams Like Stevie and Danny boy. they
feel they ARE the entire ARS and therefore any slight of them is a
slight of the whole ARS.

Ham are prefroming useful and valueble service, but Dan was bragging
and has been drawn up short, so he goes on the attack


Wrong....I attack all idiots....guess what you are.


ah yes anyone that opposes you is an idiot

Dan/W4NTI


No....I am particular who I call idiot. So feel special.

Dan/W4NTI




Dee Flint September 5th 05 03:01 AM


"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message

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Don't sweat it dipwad....I am completely and totally positive that with
your
attitude....No ham radio group would want your "assistance".


where is Stveie to decry your profanity

More of the Double standard

Dan/W4NTI



WHAT PROFANITY? DIPWAD? What a Putz.

Dan/W4NTI


You have to remember that most people are totally unclear as to the
differences between profanity, vulgarity, obscenity, cursing, and swearing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Cmdr Buzz Corey September 5th 05 04:18 AM

an_old_friend wrote:
Dan/W4NTI wrote:

You don't get it do you "Frank Gilliland". I'm not bragging....all I'm
doing is TRYING to show you malcontent jerks that Ham Radio is Alive and
Well. And damn sure capable of "earning its pay". But I guess you and your
kind won't ever understand that.



you are braging,


At least he has something to brag about, unlike a usless jerk like you
an frankieboy.

an old friend September 5th 05 04:19 AM

Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote


you might try checking your facts before you join in the flaming



I don't think Dee was flaming you. She was just pointing out possible =

ways you
might find to help out. Only you are in a position to evaluate those
possibilities.


He doesn't have the slightest interest in helping out, so he considers
any suggestion that he might do so, to be a flame. All he wants to do is
whine.


more lies Cmdr

but Dee should bother to know what she is talking about before she
starts giving orders

a little fairness on her part might also be nice, but frankly I don't
expect of any of the Extras, I am presently surprised when I get it but
I don't expect it

Id love to help if such were possible without negleting my Own
responiblities


Cmdr Buzz Corey September 5th 05 04:19 AM

Frank Gilliland wrote:


Don't spin it around on me, Dan. This is one of the worst disasters in
US history and it's not over. But you and other hams are already using
other people's suffering as an opportunity to 'strut your stuff' and
brag about your accomplishments which aren't exactly spectacular



Dumber than a bowl of dirt.
--
did you get some food and water to the hungry and thirsty? Did you
pull someone out of the debris? Did you give first aid to the injured?
Of course not. You passed a couple personal messages. That was a big
sacrifice on your behalf, I'm sure. \


Everyone can't be there, nor does everyone need to be there, to help.
Communications is just another way of helping. So what have you and your
wonderful SeeBee radio done to help frankie? Have you pulled anyone out
of the water, gave them food, medicine, fisrt aid? Didn't think so, nor
have you even helped in any other way.

Are you, leennieboy, and an_old_idiot related by chance?

Frank Gilliland September 5th 05 04:20 AM

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 01:00:16 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:


"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:56:14 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:


"KØHB" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote

I put him in the same category as Lennie the loon.

Now you've gone and insulted both of them (but don't worry --- they'll
both consider it a compliment!)

73, de Hans, K0HB




It's amazing.....where did we get this type of person in ham radio? Is
there something in the water, or what? I can only hope he won't renew.
We
sure don't need them in the SERVICE.



Again, get some perspective Dan..... it's a radio service for
AMATEURS. IOW, it's a HOBBY. You speak like you are a commissioned
officer in the National Guard. Get over yourself.


Oh right now a large number of Alabama hams are traveling to the South
Ala/
Mississippi area to set up VHF links between shelters and Red Cross
facilities.

Most to All of the operators are TECHNICIAN CLASS. Probably mostly new
hams to boot. And none are caught up in the BS I have read here. There
actually doing something. I've said it before and I'll say it again...I
am
proud of what the hams are doing. If that is considered bragging, so be
it.



It's great what the hams are doing. But -you- are strutting.



That's right, I am strutting because I'm proud of the Amateur Radio
Operators that are actually helping. I am also hanging my head in disgust
at those like you that belittle and attack those that are.



Yet -AGAIN- your communications deficit (i.e, ignorance) is dripping
all over your bib. I'm not against ham radio and I'm not demeaning
anything that hams are doing to help with this disaster. What I -AM-
against is blow-hards like you who can't wait until the bodies are
cold before you declare yourselves to be heros.

Now, what part of that didn't you understand -this- time? Or should I
ask the kid next door to translate it down to a third-grade level so
you -can- understand it?


Don't bother coming back with another attack on me.



.... by golly, NOW you're catching on! So you -can- see that I'm
attacking you and -not- the hams that actually -deserve- praise for
their efforts. Just like I have said half a dozen times already, it's
all about -YOU- and your screwed up values, Dan!


You just continue to
show your utter and complete ignorance. Why do you continue this charade?



What charade? I've already proved who I am to K4YZ and everyone else
who witnessed his meltdown. If you are accusing me of being someone
else then -you- are demonstrating -your- ignorance, not me.


What are YOU thinking you are accomplishing? We all know you for what you
are. A spoiler and a total fraud. Nobody believes a thing you say.



So begins yet another 'truth-by-repetition' campaign.....

It doesn't seem to matter that I've told the truth about -everything-
I've said about myself, and have even provided -proof- that I've told
the truth..... yet I have no credibility with -anyone- because -you-
make some open-ended declaration calling me a fraud? LOL! You are just
as egocentric as K4YZ!









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an old friend September 5th 05 04:23 AM


Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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WHAT PROFANITY? DIPWAD? What a Putz.


more profanity?

Dan/W4NTI



an old friend September 5th 05 04:24 AM


Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:56:14 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"

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It's great what the hams are doing. But -you- are strutting.



That's right, I am strutting because I'm proud of the Amateur Radio
Operators that are actually helping.


No you are struting becuase you decided to blow your own horn, in
addition to showing pride in the ARS

And your point is? Hey...if you are so ashamed of ham radio...why dont y=

ou
just turn in your license? I think that's a great idea actually.


you must be using the same drugs as stevie

I am not ashamed of Ham radio I am ashamed you are Ham

you being a raicsit and bully and bragart



I am also hanging my head in disgust
at those like you that belittle and attack those that are.

Don't bother coming back with another attack on me. You just continue =

to
show your utter and complete ignorance. Why do you continue this chara=

de?
What are YOU thinking you are accomplishing? We all know you for what =

you
are. A spoiler and a total fraud. Nobody believes a thing you say.


Obviously you are at least concerned by what he says meaning you
suspect at least some one is believing
=20
Prehaps deep down one of those persons is YOU

Dan/W4NTI



Cmdr Buzz Corey September 5th 05 04:28 AM

Frank Gilliland wrote:

Look at the subject line of this post. This entire thread was started
by you doing nothing -but- bragging; i.e, "how Ham Radio has stepped
up to the plate", how it's "showing its stuff", etc. Maybe you've
forgotten the definition of the word "brag"..... let me refresh your
failing memory,


I think the hams have something to brag about. They have "stepped up to
the plate" and are doing in fine tradition what they have done *many*
times in the past. Hooray for ham radio!!! What have you and your weenie
little SeeBee done frankieboy? Are you headed for the gulf coast to help
out? No, you just set on your sorry butt and complaine about those that
are doing something.


And it's certainly offensive when there are still people suffering
while you are carrying on about how great ham radio is and how you get
a warm fuzzy when you pass a couple messages. That's like a little kid
at a funeral begging for attention by making faces and yelling, "Look
at me! Look at me!". How old are you anyway, Dan?



How old are you to be so jealous of a group that is using their time,
talents, equipment and their own money to help provide much needed
communications in this disaster. Like I said, dumber than a bowl of dirt.

an old friend September 5th 05 04:33 AM


Dee Flint wrote:
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Plenty of the Double standard we see all to often

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Hans has not indicated anything he couldn't actually do. You, on the other
hand, from appearances so far, have not tried to find anyway you could
contribute. Plus you put down someone who has contributed and is simply
sharing his experience and taking pleasure in what good he and others can
do. Every effort, large or small, is worth doing and celebrating.


in a word Bull

Dan is holding up passing a couple of messages as some great thing,
what are they a drop in the bucket, together with all the others they
do add up to something but to glorify hisown little bit into something

that I call being a baragrt and I am not alone in holding that opinion

now as toy your biased accusation against me personaly

Gee how do you know what I have done or not done. I don't brag about
such petty things as passing a few pieces of traffic

but hans has Done nothing(at least by his words nothing) and is clearly
able to do a great more than that. I have looked and found nothing I
can without neglecting my own duties which are first to my family.

you choose to flame the guy with the least abilty to do anything for
doing the same as the guys able to do a great deal. Gee I call that
unfair, thankfully I don't expect fairness, haven't since I was kid.

You just start barking order to do what isn't possible.

Speacking of HTS for monet I keep hearing there are VHF nets and yet I
have never lived anywhere with one. Could some one provide a reference
(location and band) where there is a real VHF traffic net. I would just
like to know they in fact exist somewhere

Like I said the double standard I have seen all to often in both the
ARS and life. It would be refreshing to have someone at least be honest
enough to admit to it

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Frank Gilliland September 5th 05 04:38 AM

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 01:04:07 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:20:03 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:


"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:54:49 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:


"KØHB" wrote in message
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"an_old_friend" wrote

you are braging,

My granny always told me "It ain't bragging if you can do it."

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
--
Grand Exhalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke





I guess I better not mention to him what I am doing with MARS also, eh?

That is bragging too, right?


Look at the subject line of this post. This entire thread was started
by you doing nothing -but- bragging; i.e, "how Ham Radio has stepped
up to the plate", how it's "showing its stuff", etc. Maybe you've
forgotten the definition of the word "brag"..... let me refresh your
failing memory, Dan:

brag -- v. [OFr, 'braguer'], to boast. n. 1. a boast; boasting. 2. a
person or thing boasted of. 3. a braggart.

braggart -- n. an offensively boastful person.

And it's certainly offensive when there are still people suffering
while you are carrying on about how great ham radio is and how you get
a warm fuzzy when you pass a couple messages. That's like a little kid
at a funeral begging for attention by making faces and yelling, "Look
at me! Look at me!". How old are you anyway, Dan?

I'm old enough to know an ignorant SOB when I see one. YOU.



But apparently not old enough to address your personal issues and
refrain from grade-school rhetoric. I most certainly am an SOB, but
you write the book when it comes to ignorance. It's not your fault
that your parents didn't teach you how there is a time for bragging
and a time for condolence. But after being gone from the nest for how
long now..... 40 years?..... you should have learned such basic moral
principles on your own. Your -only- excuse is ignorance. Isn't it
about time you grew up?


I've been out of the nest since 1964. I was shooting gooks before you were
born. Which was the same year, right?



Maybe I should rephrase that: Isn't it about time you let your
emotional age catch up with your physical age?


Keep your left wing crap under you wet behind the ears.



Oh boy, now you spin political! I -love- arguing politics! So are you
a Bush supporter? or do you think there should be an amendment to the
Constitution that guarantees every citizen the right to vote?


I grew up just fine. What's your problem is the REAL question.



Aw, gee, and just as I was beginning to think that you were starting
to get a clue..... IT'S NOT ABOUT ME, DAN!!!








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an old friend September 5th 05 04:53 AM


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 01:04:07 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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Keep your left wing crap under you wet behind the ears.



Oh boy, now you spin political! I -love- arguing politics! So are you
a Bush supporter? or do you think there should be an amendment to the
Constitution that guarantees every citizen the right to vote?


amusing that he assumes you are left wing indeed he assumes I am

I voted for bush becuase I agree with more than I disagree and I agree
with alot more than I agreed with Bore or Kerry


I grew up just fine. What's your problem is the REAL question.



Aw, gee, and just as I was beginning to think that you were starting
to get a clue..... IT'S NOT ABOUT ME, DAN!!!


say it isn't so please tell that you were thinking Dan has a usable
mind

and I had such respect for you


Cmdr Buzz Corey September 5th 05 04:55 AM

wrote:


Amateur radio is a HOBBY, a personal activity involving
transmission of RF energy communications for recreation as a fun
avocation.


And has been used, from it's beginning, by these "hobbists" to provide
assistance, including the saving of many lives, in times of disaster,
not just in the U.S., but all over the world. A tradition that continues
even as we type. Amateur radio has long been recgonized by government
agencies as well as by the public for their dedicated service in time of
crisis, giving of their time, equipment, all at their own expense to aid
others. Various Presidents have released statements of the service that
ham radio has played in emergency communications. Have they ever
mentioned you or frankieboy?

At times, this personal "hobby" radio has been the *only* communication
into or out of a disaster area, until commercial services could be
restored. Because of ham radio's tradition of providing reliable
emergency communications in disaster situations it is and has long been
included in official emergency plans at the local, state, and federal
levels. Something no other "hobby" radio service can claim.

Ham radio has a lot to brag about, even it it does get up your's,
frankieboy's and an_old_what-ever-he-is noses.

Too bad for you, but that's just the way it is.
It has always been so since the beginning of government
regulated radio 93 years ago. It is called a "service" because
that is the regulatory term used by the FCC for all U.S. civil
radio to denote a type and kind of radio being regulated.




Sending health and welfare messages does NOT supply BASIC NEEDS
to disaster victims, doesn't give them food, shelter, hygiene
facilities, medical aid, or anything else but some slight emotional
sustenance.


And it is often ham radio communications that help coordinate these
BASIC NEEDS. There are professionals, like the Red Cross, who know how
to get these basic needs to victums. Ham radio often aids the Red Cross
and other agencies in doing just that by providing essential
communications when other communication links are not functioning.
Hams never said they were going to rush into a disaster area with a jug
of wine and loaf of bread to feed the 5,000. You must be an idiot (no
your are an idiot) if you think that everything can be put right if
everyone just rushes in without any support from others outside the
affected area. The hams say, "you need communications, we are here to
help", and that's what the do and do it well. Sorry it bytes your butt
so bad, but that's the facts of life lennieboy.

And by the way, those health and welfare messages are very important to
both the victums and the families of a disaster.

Once this snack bite of emotion is satisfied, the
victims are still stuck with BASIC NEEDS that aren't satisfied by
some radio messages. Health and welfare messages do NOT reach into
the disaster center where the majority of victims are. Health and
welfare messages to distant family and friends usually "travels"
on the existing infrastructure of public communications that was
not affected by any disaster. Health and welfare messages don't
transport homeless victims to dry shelter over almost-impassible
flooded roadways. But, some of the carriers of a FEW health and
welfare messages think they are the next thing to those who can
walk on water, those who perform miracles, and other vainglorious
accomplishments.

ORDINARY CITIZENS can do much for disaster victims in their own
way by whatever means work for them. Few ordinary citizens want
"name recognition" for themselves or gratuitous praise heaped on
them for minor assistance efforts. They do it because they are
human and want to help fellow humans victimized by a disaster.
Tens of thousands, perhaps more, are doing that already. They
aren't USING what they do in order to heap praise upon themselves.
They just do it and that's that.

But, in HERE, we've got those who grab the banners of praise and
wrap it around themselves and parrot the feel-good phrases of the
clubs "Ham radio is showing what it's good for!" as if that were
the sole purpose of creation of that radio service. It wasn't.
Public Safety Radio Services were created for that and more and
have been as busy as possible, working without fanfare or big
signs of "look at me, I'm a hero" on their T-shirts.

So, somebody passes some health and welfare messages on a Net.
Clap, clap, mild applause. Their medals and certificates of valor
are in the mail. Not to worry, a big membership organization will
compose the sagas that will become legend in history. All those
Net members are automatic HEROES for passing messages and then
passing gas about their Wonderful Good Works. Clap, clap.

All who call their passing gas as vainglorious are labeled
"haters of ham radio" in order to end any and all discussion.
The HOBBY must remain "heroic." Clap, clap.


Yes it should and will remain "heroic" because of the role it plays in
times of disasters.

Yet you are so quick to brag about all your so-called communications
accomplishments, yet I doubt you could even find the on/off swithc on a
transmitter. Just having once leaned up against an Army communications
van while you were taking a break from picking up cigarette butts on the
base didn't make you the communications expert you seem to think you are
lennieboy. So what have you done for the victums of Katrina?

Frank Gilliland September 5th 05 04:57 AM

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:36:22 -0400, "Dee Flint"
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Every effort, large or small, is worth doing and celebrating.



I'll celebrate my efforts when the people that are being devastated by
this disaster can celebrate their's. I do that out of respect for
those who have died or will die soon, and for those who have lost
their family, their homes, or both. Is a little respect too much to
ask? Or are you all too busy filling out forms to secure your places
in the Hurricane Hero Parade?








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Cmdr Buzz Corey September 5th 05 04:58 AM

Bill Sohl wrote:


Agree completely, but I don't see any hams claiming any undue
glory to begin with.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK



Only in the minds (assuming they have minds) of lennieboy, frankieboy,
and old_what-ever-he-is.

Frank Gilliland September 5th 05 05:05 AM

On 4 Sep 2005 20:53:39 -0700, "an old friend" wrote
in .com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 01:04:07 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:

cut
Keep your left wing crap under you wet behind the ears.



Oh boy, now you spin political! I -love- arguing politics! So are you
a Bush supporter? or do you think there should be an amendment to the
Constitution that guarantees every citizen the right to vote?


amusing that he assumes you are left wing indeed he assumes I am

I voted for bush becuase I agree with more than I disagree and I agree
with alot more than I agreed with Bore or Kerry



I voted for Bush the first time because I didn't think Gore could
handle the job. Since then I have voted third-party or independent
across the board because both parties suck and I want better choices.


I grew up just fine. What's your problem is the REAL question.



Aw, gee, and just as I was beginning to think that you were starting
to get a clue..... IT'S NOT ABOUT ME, DAN!!!


say it isn't so please tell that you were thinking Dan has a usable
mind



Maybe you're right -- at his age there aren't too many coherent years
left to worry about.


and I had such respect for you



I can change. (Remember Saddam singing that in the South Park movie?)










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Cmdr Buzz Corey September 5th 05 05:13 AM

Dee Flint wrote:


And you might stop flaming those who are participating in one way or
another.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



That is all he is capable of doing Dee.

Cmdr Buzz Corey September 5th 05 05:15 AM

KØHB wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote


you might try checking your facts before you join in the flaming



I don't think Dee was flaming you. She was just pointing out possible ways you
might find to help out. Only you are in a position to evaluate those
possibilities.


He doesn't have the slightest interest in helping out, so he considers
any suggestion that he might do so, to be a flame. All he wants to do is
whine.

Cmdr Buzz Corey September 5th 05 05:16 AM

Frank Gilliland wrote:


Maybe, maybe not. But it sure wouldn't hurt to postpone the medal
presentation ceremonies until -after- they find and bury all the
bodies.


Who said there would be any medal presentations, frankieboy?

Cmdr Buzz Corey September 5th 05 05:20 AM

wrote:


My wife and I just watched a supply convoy of high-wheeled
trucks (dozens) loaded with many things inching their way into
New Orleans through water, their wheels leaving a virtual boat
wake, somehow able to stay on a hard-to-see "roadway." Radio
didn't drive those trucks.


I betcha those drivers were keeping in touch by radio.
I doubt those truck drivers are
"amateur" drivers. I salute THEM for daring to bring much-
needed supplies through a seemingly impassible path.


No, they were trained to drive those truck, just like many of the hams
have trained, on their own time, at their own expense, to handle
emergency communications.

Yes, there ARE emotional needs for many and amateur radio WILL
satisfy those things. But, the providers of such emotional
filling are NOT "heroes,"


I don't see any of them claiming to be heroes.

an old friend September 5th 05 05:28 AM


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:36:22 -0400, "Dee Flint"
wrote in
:

snip
Every effort, large or small, is worth doing and celebrating.



I'll celebrate my efforts when the people that are being devastated by
this disaster can celebrate their's. I do that out of respect for
those who have died or will die soon, and for those who have lost
their family, their homes, or both. Is a little respect too much to
ask? Or are you all too busy filling out forms to secure your places
in the Hurricane Hero Parade?


Hear Hear


an old friend September 5th 05 05:31 AM


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 4 Sep 2005 20:53:39 -0700, "an old friend" wrote
in .com:

cut
say it isn't so please tell that you were thinking Dan has a usable
mind



Maybe you're right -- at his age there aren't too many coherent years
left to worry about.


and I had such respect for you



I can change. (Remember Saddam singing that in the South Park movie?)


I avoid south even more firmly than Morse Code

but i was ribbing you


Dee Flint September 5th 05 12:34 PM


"an old friend" wrote in message
oups.com...
Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
KØHB wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote


you might try checking your facts before you join in the flaming



I don't think Dee was flaming you. She was just pointing out possible
ways you
might find to help out. Only you are in a position to evaluate those
possibilities.


He doesn't have the slightest interest in helping out, so he considers
any suggestion that he might do so, to be a flame. All he wants to do is
whine.


more lies Cmdr

but Dee should bother to know what she is talking about before she
starts giving orders

a little fairness on her part might also be nice, but frankly I don't
expect of any of the Extras, I am presently surprised when I get it but
I don't expect it

Id love to help if such were possible without negleting my Own
responiblities

END QUOTE
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And what has license class got to do with it ?? If you can't help with your
radio activity and can't go, there alway always donations needed. The point
is your individual negatism toward the ARRL and people's individual
activities.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Dee Flint September 5th 05 12:35 PM


"an old friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

cut


WHAT PROFANITY? DIPWAD? What a Putz.


more profanity?

Dan/W4NTI



Dan is using vulgarity not profanity. They are NOT the same thing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Dee Flint September 5th 05 12:40 PM


"an old friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

cut
Plenty of the Double standard we see all to often

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Hans has not indicated anything he couldn't actually do. You, on the
other
hand, from appearances so far, have not tried to find anyway you could
contribute. Plus you put down someone who has contributed and is simply
sharing his experience and taking pleasure in what good he and others can
do. Every effort, large or small, is worth doing and celebrating.


in a word Bull

Dan is holding up passing a couple of messages as some great thing,
what are they a drop in the bucket, together with all the others they
do add up to something but to glorify hisown little bit into something

that I call being a baragrt and I am not alone in holding that opinion

now as toy your biased accusation against me personaly

Gee how do you know what I have done or not done. I don't brag about
such petty things as passing a few pieces of traffic

but hans has Done nothing(at least by his words nothing) and is clearly
able to do a great more than that. I have looked and found nothing I
can without neglecting my own duties which are first to my family.

you choose to flame the guy with the least abilty to do anything for
doing the same as the guys able to do a great deal. Gee I call that
unfair, thankfully I don't expect fairness, haven't since I was kid.

You just start barking order to do what isn't possible.


There's always donations needed.


Speacking of HTS for monet I keep hearing there are VHF nets and yet I
have never lived anywhere with one. Could some one provide a reference
(location and band) where there is a real VHF traffic net. I would just
like to know they in fact exist somewhere


I check into the SE Michigan Traffic Net a couple of times a week. If you
will look in the ARRL directory, there are quite a few VHF nets listed for
Michigan.

Like I said the double standard I have seen all to often in both the
ARS and life. It would be refreshing to have someone at least be honest
enough to admit to it

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



No that double standard exists only in your own interpretations.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



N7TX September 5th 05 12:53 PM


"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"an old friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

cut


WHAT PROFANITY? DIPWAD? What a Putz.


more profanity?

Dan/W4NTI



Dan is using vulgarity not profanity. They are NOT the same thing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

**** that asshole Dan.

What's that?



Dee Flint September 5th 05 12:59 PM


"N7TX" wrote in message
news:1125921333.190de15aad69396d0b696eab03dca287@t eranews...

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"an old friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...
cut


WHAT PROFANITY? DIPWAD? What a Putz.

more profanity?

Dan/W4NTI


Dan is using vulgarity not profanity. They are NOT the same thing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

**** that asshole Dan.

What's that?


Vulgarity. And if you are also appealing to prurient interest, it can
additionally be obscenity.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Dave Heil September 5th 05 05:06 PM

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:08:47 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:


First you wrote:


...Ain't no
one thumping chests here.




Immediately followed by:



I have ran several pieces of traffic from the disaster area tonight. Made
the calls and I'm damn proud of Ham Radio.




Hypocrite.



If you don't like it. Gent
bent




It's morons like you who secretly -wanted- something this bad to
happen just so you could have the opportunity to "step up to the
plate". Yep, all those people are suffering and dying so -you- can
feel good about being a ham -- you -should- be proud.


You're statement is more than stupid. I know of no one, radio amateur
or not, who wanted such a tragedy to take place.

Get some perspective you sick expletive deleted.


Wow! It is difficult to believe that one who thinks the way you do,
could accept that it is you who needs the perspective.

Dave K8MN

Jerry September 5th 05 05:15 PM


wrote in message
oups.com...
From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm

I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing
Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed.


"Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur?

Strange, I still see rather "commercial" and "military"
infrastructure radios very much at work on TV news, along
with lots and lots of "infrastructure" personnel.

Flood conditions high enough to inundate "commercial
infrastructure" equipment will ALSO inundate amateur
equipment and render it useless as well.

The relief efforts in Louisiana and Mississippi are being
handled by MANY, MANY different volunteers and MOST of them
do not appear to be or are identified as amateur radio
operators.

7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure.


Those networks are operating OUTSIDE the flood regions,
have NOT been inundated with flood waters.

I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in
Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages
to
family and friends outside of the disaster area.


Then that young lady is NOT under water and has gotten to a
location that is NOT under water or destroyed (somehow, you
have not specified that transport) and has the help of
an amateur radio station set up for this purpose on DRY land
(some place unspecified).

Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call
before.


That is excellent service that is provided (partly) by amateur
radio. "Daddy" somehow has gotten the news and that probably
is completed over a telephone circuit...a telephone circuit of
the evil "commercial infrastructure" that was NOT destroyed.

And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove
it.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. I've NEVER been "anti-ham." What I HAVE been
against is the morse code test for any amateur radio license.
What I HAVE been against is the braggadoccio of morse code mode
over and above any other mode in effectiveness. What I HAVE
been against is that morse code mode is the "only" mode possible
in emergency communications.

And what I HAVE been against is all you PCTA emotional retards
who think/state/live the notion that U.S. amateur radio is ONLY
about morse code mode, morsemanship, and neglecting the majority
of licensed radio amateurs who do NOT agree with you waving the
ham flag as ONLY yours and ONLY that of the morsemen.

You greatly confuse all of "hamdom" as having YOUR personal
opinion. You don't understand that someone having opinions
contrary to YOURS does NOT act in any "anti-amateur" manner.

Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing.


Dan, go to the grill and fork yourself. You're done.



This is from the Sunday Pensacola News Journal:

Ham-radio operators

assist in rescue fforts

Tallahassee ham-radio operators guided emergency workers through daring
helicopter rescue :, Friday of 1 ,500 patients and staff from two New
Orleans hospitals besieged by darkness and gunfire.

Urged by rapidly rising water 8 feet deep in places and the growing reality
that New Orleans had become a drowning pool, the operators fashioned a
satellite receptor atop an 8-story building in downtown Tallahassee.

Three of them - Theo Titus, Gene Floyd and Bill Schmidt - boarded a
helicopter in Tallahassee on Wednesday and headed for New Orleans.

Atop the garage at Tulane University Hospital and Clinic, they set up a
generator-powered .. ham radio with a satellite uplink.

The men used that communication to direct pilots through the near-war zone
as they evacuated decimated hospitals. "There were a lot of heroes in this
operation," said operator Chuck Hall. Hall said the rescue was a small
victory, but bigger obstacles remain. Hospitals have to be rebuilt. Patients
have to get well, and New Orleans still faces months of recovery. "We had to
overcome some small hurdles today, but the big hurdles are in front of us.".


If THAT isn't in the thick of it, I really don't know WHAT you really want.
I recall a thread recently where you insisted that Amateur Radio had no
"real" part in emergency operations and that most such communications was
handled withOUT the help of Amateur Radio. Yada Yada, Yada. Much will be
done by MANY agencies and groups-even people lending backs and hands or a
mere handkerchief to the effort. *Some* may be by Morse; much of it not.
Some will handled by satellite and other data links as can be established
like the gentlemen in the article. I am seeing PLENTY of articles on TV and
radio about hams in the thick of the action--Even Larry King Live mentioned!
The crux of your angst was not the Morse issue, but the viability of Amateur
Radio itself as a vital part of our nation's communications infrastructure,
which it is HAS been since the beginning. Nothing puts the lie to your
ham-radio-is-not-vital-to-emergency-communications diatribe than this
horrific tragedy. NO! It is NOT the onlyone--no one's saying it is--but it
is certainly doing what it does best; serving the community and nation in
anyway it can. And there are thousands staying out of the way until the
phone rings, "Can YOU come and do......................."? Or relaying
messages into and out of NO and other stricken area. MOST amateurs that
respond, whether it be some heroic effort or merely letting a daughter know
that her Daddy is safe via HF radio will do so without expecting or
receiving so much as a quick "Thanks, man". They wouldn't have it any other
way! :)

J



[email protected] September 5th 05 08:24 PM

From: Cmdr Buzz Corey on Sep 4, 8:55 pm


wrote:

Amateur radio is a HOBBY, a personal activity involving
transmission of RF energy communications for recreation as a fun
avocation.


Yet you are so quick to brag about all your so-called communications
accomplishments, yet I doubt you could even find the on/off swithc on a
transmitter.


"It ain't braggin' if ya done it."

By the way, I also know how to spell "switch" properly. :-)

Technically, I would rate your "swithc" [sic] as an NPNT
(No Pole No Throw).

Just having once leaned up against an Army communications
van while you were taking a break from picking up cigarette butts on the
base didn't make you the communications expert you seem to think you are
lennieboy.


http://kauko.hallikainen.org/history...s/My3Years.pdf

I've never claimed to be an "expert" in communications 50 years
ago, buzziebaby. That was just my START in HF communications.
Even though my battalion back then had a dozen or so AN/GRC-26s
(field radio HUT on a TRUCK, not a "van"), I never had to know
or operate manual radiotelegraphy then or since in a career in
aerospace electronics in southern California, transmitting legally
on parts of the EM spectrum ranging from LF on past UHF to 25 GHz.

So what have you done for the victums of Katrina?


Tsk, another MOTIVE MAVEN "challenging" others! :-)

I've joined some neighbors in contributing monetary aid through
a local entertainment guild fund-raising program. Some of us
have never been IN movies or TV but we know the guilds and the
good people in them. Los Angeles is a hub of movie and TV
production...which you SHOULD KNOW WELL seeing as you were born
in two-dimensional black-and-white on television in the 1950s,
"Commander Buzz Corey of the Space Patrol!" Geez, if Ed Kemmer
ever knew what would happen to his portrayal of that fictional
character by pompous wannabe space cadets, he might have gotten
a different acting job.

Tell us again how YOU helped the disaster victims by posing as
"Commander Buzz Corey of the Space Patrol!" of the 1950s, and
without EVER identifying yourself as anything but a two-dimensional
fictitious character on the boob tube a half century ago.




[email protected] September 5th 05 08:32 PM

From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 4, 3:17 pm

You are one large pathetic example of a ham radio operator. You sit there
and badmouth not just me, but every one of the thousands of hams that are,
or will be, directly involved in this emergence. You self admit that your
just a tech and don't see anything you can do on radio, what am I to do?
Feel sorry for you and your tech ticket? ITS NOT ABOUT YOU. Then you turn
it all around and make it look like I, the messenger of a good thing, am
bragging.


Yes, you are...

You sir are not just a idiot but a disgrace. Turn in your license and shut
your stupid face.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...Judge Miccolis is even now convening a Court of
Inquiry about you telling someone to "SHUT UP!!!" :-)


Well, the meaning is certainly clear. Disagree with Jeswald and
THOSE ALL *HATE* HAM RADIO!!!


Rational discussion RIP. Dumb tacet clamate.





an_old_friend September 5th 05 08:32 PM


wrote:
From: Cmdr Buzz Corey on Sep 4, 8:55 pm

cut


So what have you done for the victums of Katrina?


Tsk, another MOTIVE MAVEN "challenging" others! :-)


and if you answer them then the flames realy begin

cut


[email protected] September 5th 05 08:51 PM

So what have you done for the victums of Katrina?

Tsk, another MOTIVE MAVEN "challenging" others! :-)


and if you answer them then the flames realy begin


"Commander Buzz Corey of the Space Patrol!" still seems ****ed that
his TV got cancelled in the 1950s. No wonder he's ANGRY! :-)




Dan/W4NTI September 6th 05 12:48 AM


"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"an old friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

cut
Plenty of the Double standard we see all to often

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Hans has not indicated anything he couldn't actually do. You, on the
other
hand, from appearances so far, have not tried to find anyway you could
contribute. Plus you put down someone who has contributed and is simply
sharing his experience and taking pleasure in what good he and others
can
do. Every effort, large or small, is worth doing and celebrating.


in a word Bull

Dan is holding up passing a couple of messages as some great thing,
what are they a drop in the bucket, together with all the others they
do add up to something but to glorify hisown little bit into something

that I call being a baragrt and I am not alone in holding that opinion

now as toy your biased accusation against me personaly

Gee how do you know what I have done or not done. I don't brag about
such petty things as passing a few pieces of traffic

but hans has Done nothing(at least by his words nothing) and is clearly
able to do a great more than that. I have looked and found nothing I
can without neglecting my own duties which are first to my family.

you choose to flame the guy with the least abilty to do anything for
doing the same as the guys able to do a great deal. Gee I call that
unfair, thankfully I don't expect fairness, haven't since I was kid.

You just start barking order to do what isn't possible.


There's always donations needed.


Speacking of HTS for monet I keep hearing there are VHF nets and yet I
have never lived anywhere with one. Could some one provide a reference
(location and band) where there is a real VHF traffic net. I would just
like to know they in fact exist somewhere


I check into the SE Michigan Traffic Net a couple of times a week. If you
will look in the ARRL directory, there are quite a few VHF nets listed for
Michigan.

Like I said the double standard I have seen all to often in both the
ARS and life. It would be refreshing to have someone at least be honest
enough to admit to it

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



No that double standard exists only in your own interpretations.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I can see now I am fighting with a mental case. Here is a suggestion "old
friend" START a VHF NET. Get some stations with HF capabilities to link
with the HF network. There you are....your now in the system. Don't know
how to do it? Don't trust my advice? Check with ARRL.org. DOn't trust
them either probably.

EXACTLY what some firebrands did in this part of Alabama. They started
their own V/Uhf system. And it is a fabulous success. Oh...is that
bragging again?

Dan/W4NTI




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