On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:08:47 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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First you wrote:

...Ain't no
one thumping chests here.


Immediately followed by:


I have ran several pieces of traffic from the disaster area tonight. Made
the calls and I'm damn proud of Ham Radio.


Hypocrite.


If you don't like it. Gent
bent


It's morons like you who secretly -wanted- something this bad to
happen just so you could have the opportunity to "step up to the
plate". Yep, all those people are suffering and dying so -you- can
feel good about being a ham -- you -should- be proud.

Get some perspective you sick ****.









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And what are you doing to help out in this disaster?

Dan/W4NTI

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:08:47 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:


First you wrote:

...Ain't no
one thumping chests here.


Immediately followed by:


I have ran several pieces of traffic from the disaster area tonight. Made
the calls and I'm damn proud of Ham Radio.


Hypocrite.


If you don't like it. Gent
bent


It's morons like you who secretly -wanted- something this bad to
happen just so you could have the opportunity to "step up to the
plate". Yep, all those people are suffering and dying so -you- can
feel good about being a ham -- you -should- be proud.

Get some perspective you sick ****.









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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:51:12 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
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And what are you doing to help out in this disaster?


Don't spin it around on me, Dan. This is one of the worst disasters in
US history and it's not over. But you and other hams are already using
other people's suffering as an opportunity to 'strut your stuff' and
brag about your accomplishments which aren't exactly spectacular --
did you get some food and water to the hungry and thirsty? Did you
pull someone out of the debris? Did you give first aid to the injured?
Of course not. You passed a couple personal messages. That was a big
sacrifice on your behalf, I'm sure.

You want bragging rights? Then go down there, get yourself hip-deep in
the muck, take in the sights and smells, and do something purely for
someone -else's- benefit instead of your own. THEN come back here and
tell us all about it.








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You don't get it do you "Frank Gilliland". I'm not bragging....all I'm
doing is TRYING to show you malcontent jerks that Ham Radio is Alive and
Well. And damn sure capable of "earning its pay". But I guess you and your
kind won't ever understand that.

Oh and I'm sorry but the wife won't let me head out to the area. My ability
to walk is very limited. But she volunteered to go do her thing, she is a
Certified Nursing Assistant.

Again "Frank" what are you doing but running your mouth?

Dan/W4NTI

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:51:12 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:

And what are you doing to help out in this disaster?


Don't spin it around on me, Dan. This is one of the worst disasters in
US history and it's not over. But you and other hams are already using
other people's suffering as an opportunity to 'strut your stuff' and
brag about your accomplishments which aren't exactly spectacular --
did you get some food and water to the hungry and thirsty? Did you
pull someone out of the debris? Did you give first aid to the injured?
Of course not. You passed a couple personal messages. That was a big
sacrifice on your behalf, I'm sure.

You want bragging rights? Then go down there, get yourself hip-deep in
the muck, take in the sights and smells, and do something purely for
someone -else's- benefit instead of your own. THEN come back here and
tell us all about it.








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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
You don't get it do you "Frank Gilliland". I'm not bragging....all I'm
doing is TRYING to show you malcontent jerks that Ham Radio is Alive and
Well. And damn sure capable of "earning its pay". But I guess you and y=
our
kind won't ever understand that.

you are braging,

Oh and I'm sorry but the wife won't let me head out to the area. My abil=
ity
to walk is very limited. But she volunteered to go do her thing, she is=
a
Certified Nursing Assistant.

Again "Frank" what are you doing but running your mouth?

Dan/W4NTI

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:51:12 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:

And what are you doing to help out in this disaster?


Don't spin it around on me, Dan. This is one of the worst disasters in
US history and it's not over. But you and other hams are already using
other people's suffering as an opportunity to 'strut your stuff' and
brag about your accomplishments which aren't exactly spectacular --
did you get some food and water to the hungry and thirsty? Did you
pull someone out of the debris? Did you give first aid to the injured?
Of course not. You passed a couple personal messages. That was a big
sacrifice on your behalf, I'm sure.

You want bragging rights? Then go down there, get yourself hip-deep in
the muck, take in the sights and smells, and do something purely for
someone -else's- benefit instead of your own. THEN come back here and
tell us all about it.








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"an_old_friend" wrote

you are braging,

My granny always told me "It ain't bragging if you can do it."

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
--
Grand Exhalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke

"KØHB" wrote in message
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"an_old_friend" wrote

you are braging,

My granny always told me "It ain't bragging if you can do it."

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
--
Grand Exhalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke





I guess I better not mention to him what I am doing with MARS also, eh?

That is bragging too, right?

Dan/W4NTI

From: K0HB on Sep 3, 5:32 pm


"an_old_friend" wrote

you are braging,

My granny always told me "It ain't bragging if you can do it."

Then your "granny" is Jimmie Miccolis or she was a mis-quoted
former baseball player.


On "bragging:" Frank has the real motive pinned to the wall with
a big sign saying (variously) "Look at me!", "Love me because I am
a Hero", "Ham radio is Heroic, a savior to mankind" or some such
nonsensical SELF-praise.

Dan Jeswald and some others have the stock non-reply ready and
waiting: "Disagree with me and you HATE ham radio!" :-)

Indeed, ANY disagreement with Truthspeak sayings of the ARRL is
labeled as "You HATE ham radio!"

That sort of "critique" is as boring as it is nonsensical. It is
just bullsnit.

Amateur radio is a HOBBY, a personal activity involving
transmission of RF energy communications for recreation as a fun
avocation. It has always been so since the beginning of government
regulated radio 93 years ago. It is called a "service" because
that is the regulatory term used by the FCC for all U.S. civil
radio to denote a type and kind of radio being regulated.

Sending health and welfare messages does NOT supply BASIC NEEDS
to disaster victims, doesn't give them food, shelter, hygiene
facilities, medical aid, or anything else but some slight emotional
sustenance. Once this snack bite of emotion is satisfied, the
victims are still stuck with BASIC NEEDS that aren't satisfied by
some radio messages. Health and welfare messages do NOT reach into
the disaster center where the majority of victims are. Health and
welfare messages to distant family and friends usually "travels"
on the existing infrastructure of public communications that was
not affected by any disaster. Health and welfare messages don't
transport homeless victims to dry shelter over almost-impassible
flooded roadways. But, some of the carriers of a FEW health and
welfare messages think they are the next thing to those who can
walk on water, those who perform miracles, and other vainglorious
accomplishments.

ORDINARY CITIZENS can do much for disaster victims in their own
way by whatever means work for them. Few ordinary citizens want
"name recognition" for themselves or gratuitous praise heaped on
them for minor assistance efforts. They do it because they are
human and want to help fellow humans victimized by a disaster.
Tens of thousands, perhaps more, are doing that already. They
aren't USING what they do in order to heap praise upon themselves.
They just do it and that's that.

But, in HERE, we've got those who grab the banners of praise and
wrap it around themselves and parrot the feel-good phrases of the
clubs "Ham radio is showing what it's good for!" as if that were
the sole purpose of creation of that radio service. It wasn't.
Public Safety Radio Services were created for that and more and
have been as busy as possible, working without fanfare or big
signs of "look at me, I'm a hero" on their T-shirts.

So, somebody passes some health and welfare messages on a Net.
Clap, clap, mild applause. Their medals and certificates of valor
are in the mail. Not to worry, a big membership organization will
compose the sagas that will become legend in history. All those
Net members are automatic HEROES for passing messages and then
passing gas about their Wonderful Good Works. Clap, clap.

All who call their passing gas as vainglorious are labeled
"haters of ham radio" in order to end any and all discussion.
The HOBBY must remain "heroic." Clap, clap.


bip bip

---
Liberator of Common Sense and Deflator of Gaseous Egos

an_old_friend wrote:
Dan/W4NTI wrote:

You don't get it do you "Frank Gilliland". I'm not bragging....all I'm
doing is TRYING to show you malcontent jerks that Ham Radio is Alive and
Well. And damn sure capable of "earning its pay". But I guess you and your
kind won't ever understand that.


you are braging,

At least he has something to brag about, unlike a usless jerk like you
an frankieboy.

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:12:17 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
. net:

You don't get it do you "Frank Gilliland". I'm not bragging....


"I have ran several pieces of traffic from the disaster area tonight.
Made the calls and I'm damn proud of Ham Radio."


all I'm
doing is TRYING to show you malcontent jerks that Ham Radio is Alive and
Well.


Who is disputing that fact?


And damn sure capable of "earning its pay". But I guess you and your
kind won't ever understand that.


I understand it very well. I also understand that the state of ham
radio is not the topic. The topic is the twisted pleasure you get as a
result of the misery of others.


Oh and I'm sorry but the wife won't let me head out to the area. My ability
to walk is very limited. But she volunteered to go do her thing, she is a
Certified Nursing Assistant.


Good for her. At least -she- isn't in here begging for praise.


Again "Frank" what are you doing but running your mouth?


There you go again, trying to make this issue about me. Resolve your
own issues first, let the circumstances settle, and then maybe we can
discuss my contributions.









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