"Michael Coslo" wrote

How we gonna connect the nation at 700 MHz?

Hi Mike,

The article had nothing to do with "connecting the nation". It has to do with
regional interoperability, the very thing that Katrina aftermath found largely
inadequate.

73, de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:

"Michael Coslo" wrote


How we gonna connect the nation at 700 MHz?


Hi Mike,

The article had nothing to do with "connecting the nation". It has to do with
regional interoperability, the very thing that Katrina aftermath found largely
inadequate.


Ahh, so we need another system to connect to the rest of the nation then?

I still find this whole thing another thinly designed bandwidth grab,
when in reality is that the system concept is not working. Seems like
grass is greener stuff to me, unless there is something majik about 700
MHz, and the TV channels.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Michael Coslo" wrote


Ahh, so we need another system to connect to the rest of the nation then?


Two things:

Thing #1) I think "the rest of the nation" stayed pretty well connected.
Regional public service interoperability at the incident was the huge gaping
problem area. (As it was 9/11 and any number of other incidents.)

Thing #2) The article doesn't propose to "grab" the 700MHz band..... It's
already slated for public service.

73, de Hans, K0HB

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:02:19 GMT, KØHB wrote:

Two things:

Thing #1) I think "the rest of the nation" stayed pretty well connected.
Regional public service interoperability at the incident was the huge gaping
problem area. (As it was 9/11 and any number of other incidents.)

The very thing that the 800 MHz NPSPAC channels were supposed to
provide. What did the regional (state) NPSPAC delegates do at the
meetings but drink coffee laced with chicory? At least in
California we designated quite a few channels just for that purpose
and every (800 MHz) radio of every agency was supposed to have them
installed, tested, and working (a software "install"), and a lot of
Federal grant money went in to ensuring that.

Or was the problem that they didn't get around to installing 800 MHz
systems even when everyone else did while grant money was available?

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:35:07 -0400, Michael Coslo wrote:

Ahh, so we need another system to connect to the rest of the nation then?

I still find this whole thing another thinly designed bandwidth grab,
when in reality is that the system concept is not working. Seems like
grass is greener stuff to me, unless there is something majik about 700
MHz, and the TV channels.

We heard the same mazurka about the 800 MHz channels ten years ago.
Even amongst those clients of ours who went for 800 MHz systems,
some of those actually work well as a regional public safety
intercommunication system when designed and used correctly.

One of the major pronlems that seems to surface every time in every
field is "turf wars" a.k.a. "protect my local interests".

Notwithstanding the extortionate user fees paid to the agency who
holds the actual license, the only ones who really profited from
that exercise was Motorola. (APCO members on here will certainly
recognize this.)

Enter now 700 MHz stage-left......

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Phil Kane wrote:

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:35:07 -0400, Michael Coslo wrote:


Ahh, so we need another system to connect to the rest of the nation then?

I still find this whole thing another thinly designed bandwidth grab,
when in reality is that the system concept is not working. Seems like
grass is greener stuff to me, unless there is something majik about 700
MHz, and the TV channels.


We heard the same mazurka about the 800 MHz channels ten years ago.
Even amongst those clients of ours who went for 800 MHz systems,
some of those actually work well as a regional public safety
intercommunication system when designed and used correctly.

Right! I haven't heard enough of his plan to make a judgement, but why
don't we just make this grand schem work there?



One of the major pronlems that seems to surface every time in every
field is "turf wars" a.k.a. "protect my local interests".

States rights too? A lot of the places that have a lot of the potential
for disaster don't take to kindly to the evil Federal guvmint meddling
in their affairs.

Notwithstanding the extortionate user fees paid to the agency who
holds the actual license, the only ones who really profited from
that exercise was Motorola. (APCO members on here will certainly
recognize this.)

Enter now 700 MHz stage-left......

These things are so predictable.

1. Disaster happens

We have to blame someone, and since the Democreeps aren't in power
(we'll still blame 'em just for good practice) so we need to find a
scapegoat.

2. AHA! The problem came about because of Television
broadcasters, Those no-goods!

3. I have a plan! Give me money.

4. Thank you, here's your system.

Next disaster please......


5. ......Those darn democrats!



I guess I'm a little cynical today ;^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

K=D8HB wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote

How we gonna connect the nation at 700 MHz?

Hi Mike,

The article had nothing to do with "connecting the nation". It has to do=
with
regional interoperability, the very thing that Katrina aftermath found la=
rgely
inadequate.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Hans, as a retired CPO, you know as well as anybody else that
interoperability of any service is a problem. Recall Grenada where a
grunt used his Sprint calling card on a commercial line to call the
Pentagon and request an Air Force air-strike on a target.

Good grief! It's not just about grunts dying anymore.

You'd think after 09/11/2001 we'd have fast-tracked this stuff!

wrote:

KØHB wrote:

"Michael Coslo" wrote


How we gonna connect the nation at 700 MHz?

Hi Mike,

The article had nothing to do with "connecting the nation". It has to do with
regional interoperability, the very thing that Katrina aftermath found largely
inadequate.

73, de Hans, K0HB


Hans, as a retired CPO, you know as well as anybody else that
interoperability of any service is a problem. Recall Grenada where a
grunt used his Sprint calling card on a commercial line to call the
Pentagon and request an Air Force air-strike on a target.

Good grief! It's not just about grunts dying anymore.

You'd think after 09/11/2001 we'd have fast-tracked this stuff!


This is what has me worried. If a new Whiz-bang system is going to
work, it has to connect the whole nation. When New Orleans is under
water, they don't just need to talk to the locals, they need to get word
out to the whole country - or at least the parts that can send help.

And since we don't know where the next disaster will strike, that means
the whole country needs to be in the picture.

No big picture thinkers need apply?

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Michael Coslo" wrote


This is what has me worried. If a new Whiz-bang system is going to work, it
has to connect the whole nation.

Mike,

Come back to the discussion when you understand the term "regional
interoperability".

DOS Hint: It has absolutely nothing to do with "connect the whole nation".

73, de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote


This is what has me worried. If a new Whiz-bang system is going to work, it
has to connect the whole nation.


Mike,

Come back to the discussion when you understand the term "regional
interoperability".

DOS Hint: It has absolutely nothing to do with "connect the whole nation".

Hans,

As the Czar of this discussion, how about TELLING us exactly what
Obrien's regional interopability plan is? ;^) Even a little clue might
help the dillatentes like me.

And I'm telling you that IMO any system that doesn't connect areas
larger than "regional" is not going to work under many circumstances.

Of course I could be wrong.

- Mike KB3EIA -