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[email protected] October 19th 05 02:04 AM

how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 
On 18 Oct 2005 17:49:03 -0700, wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
KØHB wrote:
"an Old friend" wrote

I was trying to tlak the subject in general merely giving an example

???????????????????????

Hans appears incapable.

Try your local frequency coordinating body, perhaps the repeater
coordinating body for 6M, if that is your interest. Each state or
locality is different.


Not for 6m AM, SSB or CW it isn't.


No? Every state and locality can be different. One size does not fit
all. Read your ARRL repeater guide. Notice all the caveats wrt band
plans, coordination, and even spacing.

Do you know of any 6m AM repeaters
anywhere?

Dave K8MN


Do you know why there can't be?


I remmebr (out of QST I think) some years back Riley deamnding an
explanation of why some ham had an AM repeater and the clear subtext
was that it was somehow improper becuase the Bandplan called for FM

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[email protected] October 19th 05 02:37 AM

how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 
On 18 Oct 2005 18:03:49 -0700, wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

KØHB wrote:

"an Old friend" wrote

I was trying to tlak the subject in general merely giving an example

???????????????????????

His local gang was tlaking to their new club official. None of them
knew anything about frequencies used for 6m AM operation.

not at all

I was trying to spark an On Topic discussion HERE about how folks
would go about local band planing


It is "band planning", Mark and it isn't done on a local basis.


It can be on vhf and above frequencies. You just need to open your
mind a little, a very little.

It is
done on a national and regional basis. If we decided to implement a
local band plan for 2m here, the 2m users in Pittsburgh, Morgantown,
Parkersburg, Marietta and Columbus would be in a dither.


There is still room for local variation in a regional plan.

You told us of
your lack of knowledge of where 6m AM activity might be found. A couple
of us told you. Now you'll undoubtedly string us along for a number of
posts as you did over the 60m "band".

Dave K8MN


Perhaps he and other associates have no 6M crystal for where the AM
activity might be found and wants a local variation.


or in our case some of us would rather operate where folks will not
come looking for as DX. I have a nice AM tube set (built from the
article in CQ VHF before it shut down) others have have various rigs
and would like to use em more

another area I hear folks around talk about is 440(70cm) since we are
north of the "a" line the national does not serve some folks needs as
well as it could
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[email protected] October 19th 05 02:37 AM

how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 
On 18 Oct 2005 17:56:35 -0700, wrote:


an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
KØHB wrote:
"an Old friend" wrote

cut

the band plans themselve mention the possiblity of local varriations


Oooh! Ouch!! No!!!

Say it ain't so....

The MMM have spoken, and the ARRL Repeater Guide is Wrong, Wrongg,
WRONGGG!!!

Guess the suggestions made were too simplistic? We HAVE to have a
fight over this?


guess you do


A$$hole Flambe' gotta have a fight.

I was just trying to spark On topic discussion related to the prupose
of NG on a subject I have always been curious about


Yikes! Whatever possessed you to try an on-topic discussion?

Hope my reply helped. You're in Michigan? Do you want to
coordinator's info?


we are Yoopers can't seem to raise anyone at the listed coordinator
OTOH neither do the emails bounce

not alone in this obsevation either
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KØHB October 19th 05 02:57 AM

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we are Yoopers can't seem to raise anyone at the listed coordinator
OTOH neither do the emails bounce


I don't think the repeater coordinators care what you do on other modes. Here
in Minnesota, at least, they concern themselves only with the repeater
sub-bands.

If I wanted to establish a new local AM presence I wouldn't even involve the
coordinator, if for no other reason than it's outside their job description, and
once you have their advice it becomes a "rule" of sorts. Fugitit!

As I mentioned earlier, in this area the casual AM'ers seem to be clustered
between 50.400 and 50.550, although I think there are a couple of nets that use
50.355. My inclination would be to stay above the SSB weak signal guys and
below the digital stuff. That gives you 600KHz, or roughly 75 6KHz AM slots
with 3KHz guard channels interleaved.

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
--
Lord High Liberator of the Magic Electric Smoke




Iitoi October 19th 05 03:27 AM

K0HB,

I think what KB9RQA is trying to say is that he doesn't want to tlak about what is done elsewhere, therefore your example is an insult.

The Man in the Maze
QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ

[email protected] October 19th 05 05:41 AM

how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 02:27:12 +0000, Iitoi
wrote:


KØHB Wrote:
"an Old friend" wrote

I was trying to tlak the subject in general merely giving an example

???????????????????????


K0HB,

I think what KB9RQA is trying to say is that he doesn't want to tlak
about what is done elsewhere, therefore your example is an insult.


nice try at bomb throwing

The Man in the Maze
QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ


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Dave Heil October 19th 05 05:45 AM

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wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

KØHB wrote:

"an Old friend" wrote


I was trying to tlak the subject in general merely giving an example

???????????????????????

Hans appears incapable.

Try your local frequency coordinating body, perhaps the repeater
coordinating body for 6M, if that is your interest. Each state or
locality is different.


Not for 6m AM, SSB or CW it isn't.



No? Every state and locality can be different.


For 6m AM, SSB and CW? You're simply incorrect.

One size does not fit
all. Read your ARRL repeater guide. Notice all the caveats wrt band
plans, coordination, and even spacing.


Those are regional differences, not local ones. What does the repeater
guide say about 6m AM operation?


Do you know of any 6m AM repeaters
anywhere?


Do you know why there can't be?


There is no reason that my house can't be chartreuse...but it isn't.

Do you know of any 6m AM repeaters? Just one will get you off the hook.

Dave K8MN


[email protected] October 19th 05 05:45 AM

how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:45:07 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

KØHB wrote:

"an Old friend" wrote


I was trying to tlak the subject in general merely giving an example

???????????????????????

Hans appears incapable.

Try your local frequency coordinating body, perhaps the repeater
coordinating body for 6M, if that is your interest. Each state or
locality is different.

Not for 6m AM, SSB or CW it isn't.



No? Every state and locality can be different.


For 6m AM, SSB and CW? You're simply incorrect.


more pronoucement from on High

you make the assertion explain why


One size does not fit
all. Read your ARRL repeater guide. Notice all the caveats wrt band
plans, coordination, and even spacing.


Those are regional differences, not local ones. What does the repeater
guide say about 6m AM operation?


Do you know of any 6m AM repeaters
anywhere?


Do you know why there can't be?


There is no reason that my house can't be chartreuse...but it isn't.

Do you know of any 6m AM repeaters? Just one will get you off the hook.


which matters how

no reason a 6m Am repeater can be built.

I know Riley was going on about a 2m AM repeater at one point

Dave K8MN


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Dave Heil October 19th 05 05:52 AM

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wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


KØHB wrote:


"an Old friend" wrote


I was trying to tlak the subject in general merely giving an example

???????????????????????

His local gang was tlaking to their new club official. None of them
knew anything about frequencies used for 6m AM operation.

not at all

I was trying to spark an On Topic discussion HERE about how folks
would go about local band planing


It is "band planning", Mark and it isn't done on a local basis.



It can be on vhf and above frequencies. You just need to open your
mind a little, a very little.


It can't be done locally if there is any chance of interfering with
other regional repeaters. If you are coordinating to avoid putting your
local machine with one 50 or 75 miles away, you aren't dealing with
local band planning. You're dealing with regional band planning.

Now, what do your comments have to do with 6m AM operation?

It is
done on a national and regional basis. If we decided to implement a
local band plan for 2m here, the 2m users in Pittsburgh, Morgantown,
Parkersburg, Marietta and Columbus would be in a dither.



There is still room for local variation in a regional plan.


....not if there is any chance of interfering with other repeaters in
your region, there isn't.

You told us of

your lack of knowledge of where 6m AM activity might be found. A couple
of us told you. Now you'll undoubtedly string us along for a number of
posts as you did over the 60m "band".


Perhaps he and other associates have no 6M crystal for where the AM
activity might be found and wants a local variation.


Yeah, that not being able to buy a crystal would be a significant hurdle.

Sheesh.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil October 19th 05 06:05 AM

how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:45:07 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:


wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


wrote:


KØHB wrote:


"an Old friend" wrote



I was trying to tlak the subject in general merely giving an example

???????????????????????

Hans appears incapable.

Try your local frequency coordinating body, perhaps the repeater
coordinating body for 6M, if that is your interest. Each state or
locality is different.

Not for 6m AM, SSB or CW it isn't.


No? Every state and locality can be different.


For 6m AM, SSB and CW? You're simply incorrect.



more pronoucement from on High

you make the assertion explain why


Follow the url I posted for the ARRL band plans. Read them. We can
discuss it when you're educated.

One size does not fit
all. Read your ARRL repeater guide. Notice all the caveats wrt band
plans, coordination, and even spacing.


Those are regional differences, not local ones. What does the repeater
guide say about 6m AM operation?


Do you know of any 6m AM repeaters
anywhere?


Do you know why there can't be?


There is no reason that my house can't be chartreuse...but it isn't.

Do you know of any 6m AM repeaters? Just one will get you off the hook.



which matters how

no reason a 6m Am repeater can be built.


No reason it can be built? Did you mean "can't be built". Read my
comments above.

I know Riley was going on about a 2m AM repeater at one point


Great. There've been AM repeaters on 5m, 6m and 2m in the past. I know
of none at the present. Were you and the boys in the club going to
start a 6m AM repeater?

Dave K8MN


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