how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 

On 19 Oct 2005 21:47:45 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:


molested_by_an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
KØHB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

And this is different from any other law...HOW?

Bandplans are cooperative agreements between affected amateurs, not "laws".

for an occasion we find ourselfs in absolute agreement

"occassion" "ourselves"

and as amateur they are subject to modifcation by us which proves they
are not laws

Sure they are.

once again no they are not laws

Sure they are.

you are just plain wrong

you are not telling the truth

Wrong.
yep

you are lying

Nope.
yep

not moving off till you deal with the facts

I could care less WHERE you move to, Markie.

then why do stalk me to keep tabs on it

rules and regs are NOT laws, that is a fact

I don't care WHAT you think, Markie.

proof of yet another Stevie lie

if you did not care you would not bother


..Congress delegated thier
responsibilities to regulate radio to the FCC in the Communications
Act.

and you are just wrong

nobody but nobody can make laws except the Congress with the sigiture
of the President (or by overiding his veto)

learn your facts


i know you don't care about facts you have proven over and over agian

Uhhhhhhhhh...If I have "proven" them of COURSE I care baout
them!

if you had maybe

but you never bother to prove much of anything

the fact is you don't care about facts


Idiot!

cuting the bull**** that follows

"cutting"

Then you're announcing your intention to inflict harm upon
yourself?

no

recuting the bull****
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wrote, after using yet another of his aliases in order
to overcome Google's posting limit, yet he claims others are "obsessed"
wrote:
On 19 Oct 2005 21:47:45 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:
molested_by_an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
KØHB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

And this is different from any other law...HOW?

Bandplans are cooperative agreements between affected amateurs, not "laws".

for an occasion we find ourselfs in absolute agreement

"occassion" "ourselves"

and as amateur they are subject to modifcation by us which proves they
are not laws

Sure they are.

once again no they are not laws

Sure they are.

you are just plain wrong

Nope.

you are not telling the truth

Wrong.
yep

Uh uh.

you are lying

Nope.
yep

Still no.

not moving off till you deal with the facts

I could care less WHERE you move to, Markie.

then why do stalk me to keep tabs on it

I don't stalk you. I don't need to.

If I wanted to find you, I'd follow the trail of dead flies.......

rules and regs are NOT laws, that is a fact

I don't care WHAT you think, Markie.

proof of yet another Stevie lie

Nope.

if you did not care you would not bother

Sure I would.

..Congress delegated thier
responsibilities to regulate radio to the FCC in the Communications
Act.

and you are just wrong

Nope.

Break out the Act, PaganBoy.

nobody but nobody can make laws except the Congress with the sigiture
of the President (or by overiding his veto)

"signature"

The Congress. State legislatures. Commonwealth senates. State,
County, City, Burgh, Village and Township boards can make laws.

And they too, just like COngress did with the FCC, delegate some of
thier responsibilites to a subordinate agency under thier control.

learn your facts

I laready have.

i know you don't care about facts you have proven over and over agian

Uhhhhhhhhh...If I have "proven" them of COURSE I care about
them!

if you had maybe

Hey Markie...It was YOUR butchered English that I got to take
advantage of!

but you never bother to prove much of anything

Sure I have.

That you refuse to accept it is beyond my control.

the fact is you don't care about facts

Sure I do.

And it's a fact that you're an idiot.

Idiot!

cuting the bull**** that follows

"cutting"

Then you're announcing your intention to inflict harm upon
yourself?

no

recuting the bull####

"re-cutting"

Replacing that which Mark C. Morgan is too cowardly to address.

QUOTE

one is number of folks here and that Includes me) want to operate 6 AM
without hearing from DX

OK...Leave your coax plugged into an dummy load...(No, not
him...the 50 ohm one under the desk...)

If you don't want to "hear from the DX", then just don't answer
them. Otherwise you're at the whim of the Propagation God, and he
doesn't give a hoot who you want to hear from or not. When six meters
is open, it's open...When it's not, it's not.

If you want to just "work the locals", select one of the 2M or
70cm coordinated simplex channels. There's more than enough and you're

far enough away from any major city so as to not have to "deal" with
the DX.

another is some arguement over FSATV here north of the "A" Line which
cuts off the bottom of the band where FSATV hangs out in most places

So have the guys who live north of the line use the higher
channels to transmit on and below the line use the lower...

Problem solved.

a thrid issue is some of the local are not happy about the 222
bandplan, not quite sure yet what the beef is , all I do know is that
it has something to do with the fact we can reach Canada on that Band
fairly often. Indeed I manage a 222 MHZ FM simplex sked most weeks
with ham in Thunder Bay Ont

The beef is that we gave away the lower 2Mhz.

I know it is possible to adpot local variants.it would nice nice to
know how to go about it. One could just do as we please and more than
likely no one will notice.

ta-DAAAAAAAAAAH! Just make sure you're not interfering with any
users who ARE in compliance with the bandplan and you have no problem.

I don't like that "solution" as I know it
encourages chaos and if we start ignoring the bandplans in VHF then HF
bandplans are real danger. what I am looking for is an alternitive, a
way to deal with local within the struture so we can encourage
continued adherence to bandplans by making them fit us where we can,
and at VHF and up we can do this in real terms

Know how I avoid this problem...?!?!

I start off any transmission that MIGHT cause interference with...


"Is this frequency in use...?!?!"

Works just as well above 50Mhz as it does below it...

Steve, K4YZ

UNQUOTE

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On 19 Oct 2005 22:07:43 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:



On 19 Oct 2005 21:47:45 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:
molested_by_an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
KØHB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

And this is different from any other law...HOW?

Bandplans are cooperative agreements between affected amateurs, not "laws".

for an occasion we find ourselfs in absolute agreement

"occassion" "ourselves"

and as amateur they are subject to modifcation by us which proves they
are not laws

Sure they are.

once again no they are not laws

Sure they are.

you are just plain wrong

Nope.

of you are plain wrong
cuting arep

not moving off till you deal with the facts

I could care less WHERE you move to, Markie.

then why do stalk me to keep tabs on it

I don't stalk you.

you surely do

so we calk up anoth lie

I don't need to.

My goodness a true statement from Stevie I may die of the shock


If I wanted to find you, I'd follow the trail of dead flies.......

back to bull**** I see

My heart thanks you


rules and regs are NOT laws, that is a fact

I don't care WHAT you think, Markie.

proof of yet another Stevie lie

Nope.

yes it is

if you did not care you would not bother

Sure I would.

no you would not

if it were for the statement I noted a up the post a bit id say you
can't tell the turth

you care intensely what I what I write what I think you prove it over
and over again


..Congress delegated thier
responsibilities to regulate radio to the FCC in the Communications
Act.

and you are just wrong

Nope.

ah I see you enaged in spin


Break out the Act, PaganBoy.

but the FCC still does not make laws


nobody but nobody can make laws except the Congress with the sigiture
of the President (or by overiding his veto)

"signature"

The Congress.

only the congress

State legislatures. Commonwealth senates. State,
County, City, Burgh, Village and Township boards can make laws.

but not concerning Radio


And they too, just like COngress did with the FCC, delegate some of
thier responsibilites to a subordinate agency under thier control.

responiblities yes you are right

but not the power to make laws


learn your facts

I laready have.

"laready"

losing it spelling cop?

but you have not

you still tell the lie that the FCC and the ARRL have the power to
make US law


i know you don't care about facts you have proven over and over agian

Uhhhhhhhhh...If I have "proven" them of COURSE I care about
them!

if you had maybe

Hey Markie...It was YOUR butchered English that I got to take
advantage of!

yes you took the cheap shot

fairer than you normaly are but still a cheap shot


but you never bother to prove much of anything

Sure I have.

name something


That you refuse to accept it is beyond my control.

another true stament you are tryng to kill me by inducing shock aren't
you


the fact is you don't care about facts

Sure I do.

no you don't


And it's a fact that you're an idiot.

wrong again


Idiot!

cuting the bull**** that follows

"cutting"

Then you're announcing your intention to inflict harm upon
yourself?

no

recuting the bull####

"re-cutting"

Replacing that which Mark C. Morgan is too cowardly to address.
recuting yet again
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, yet another of the multiple screen names Mark uses in
order to defeat Googles posting limits wrote:
On 19 Oct 2005 22:07:43 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:



On 19 Oct 2005 21:47:45 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:
molested_by_an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
KØHB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

And this is different from any other law...HOW?

Bandplans are cooperative agreements between affected amateurs, not "laws".

for an occasion we find ourselfs in absolute agreement

"occassion" "ourselves"

and as amateur they are subject to modifcation by us which proves they
are not laws

Sure they are.

once again no they are not laws

Sure they are.

you are just plain wrong

Nope.

of you are plain wrong

"of you are plain wrong"

YOU are a plain idiot, Mark...Your (non-existant) English skills
bear that out.

cuting arep

"cutting"...And I'll be darned if I know what 'arep' was supposed
to be.

not moving off till you deal with the facts

I could care less WHERE you move to, Markie.

then why do stalk me to keep tabs on it

I don't stalk you.

you surely do

Nope.

so we calk up anoth lie

"chalk" "another"

No, we can't. But we CAN "chalk up" another "F" in English for
you.

I don't need to.

My goodness a true statement from Stevie I may die of the shock

You've got several forms of it to die from, Markie...

If I wanted to find you, I'd follow the trail of dead flies.......

back to bull#### I see

Back to proifanity, I see.

My heart thanks you


rules and regs are NOT laws, that is a fact

I don't care WHAT you think, Markie.

proof of yet another Stevie lie

Nope.

yes it is

No, it's not.

if you did not care you would not bother

Sure I would.

no you would not

Sure I would.

if it were for the statement I noted a up the post a bit id say you
can't tell the turth

What's a "turth"...?!?!

you care intensely what I what I write what I think you prove it over
and over again

Was that a sentence?

..Congress delegated thier
responsibilities to regulate radio to the FCC in the Communications
Act.

and you are just wrong

Nope.

ah I see you enaged in spin

What's "enaged"...?!?!

Break out the Act, PaganBoy.

but the FCC still does not make laws

Sure they do.

Willfully violate some part of Part 97 and see what happens,
Markie.

Ask Glenn Baxter what it's gotten him...

nobody but nobody can make laws except the Congress with the sigiture
of the President (or by overiding his veto)

"signature"

The Congress.

only the congress

"Congress"

NOT "only the congress"...As witnessed below:

State legislatures. Commonwealth senates. State,
County, City, Burgh, Village and Township boards can make laws.

but not concerning Radio

But in seven exchanges, that's NOT what you've said...

You said "ONLY CONGRESS" can make laws. It's not true.

And local communities CAN make laws that pertain to YOUR radio
station.

Erect a tower that's 61 feet high where the city says you're only
allowed 60 feet, Markie.

And they too, just like Congress did with the FCC, delegate some of
thier responsibilites to a subordinate agency under thier control.

responiblities yes you are right

but not the power to make laws

learn your facts

I laready have.

"laready"

losing it spelling cop?

Let's see....

Markie: 16,377 typos.

Steve: 2

OK...You win.

but you have not

you still tell the lie that the FCC and the ARRL have the power to
make US law

No...

YOU are the one lying, Markie.

And again YOU try to put words in my keyboard...Again with the
ARRL...?!?!

I have NOT, at any time in this discourse, mentioned the ARRL
except to point out your deceit...

i know you don't care about facts you have proven over and over agian

Uhhhhhhhhh...If I have "proven" them of COURSE I care about
them!

if you had maybe

Hey Markie...It was YOUR butchered English that I got to take
advantage of!

yes you took the cheap shot

Geeze, Morgan...You only leave 100 opportunities in every post you
make...It's not like it's a new experience for you.

fairer than you normaly are but still a cheap shot

"normally"

No...it wasn't a "cheap shot".

YOU were the one making yet another error.

but you never bother to prove much of anything

Sure I have.

name something

That you are a mental health patient.

That you're NOT a veteran, least of all a "Colonel"

That I was once active in not one, not two, but all three branches
of MARS at one time or another.

There's three.

That you refuse to accept it is beyond my control.

another true stament you are tryng to kill me by inducing shock aren't
you

There are many forms I can induce.

And by your acknowledgement here, YOU have stated that I HAVE told
the truth, I HAVE "name(d) something", and that it's simply a matter of
your refusal to accept the truth.

Guess it's ME in shock, Markie.

the fact is you don't care about facts

Sure I do.

no you don't

Sure I do.

And it's a fact that you're an idiot.

wrong again

Nope.

You proved it throughout this entire exchange.

Thanks.

Idiot!

cuting the bull**** that follows

"cutting"

Then you're announcing your intention to inflict harm upon
yourself?

no

recuting the bull####

"re-cutting"

Replacing that which Mark C. Morgan is too cowardly to address.
recuting yet again

Replacing once again.

Wassmatta, Mark? Just can't bring yourself to address the issues?

YOU were the one that wanted an "on topic" thread, yet YOU are
then one who keeps "cuting" the ONLY "on-topic" part of the exchanges
out!

Pretty much sets the stage for proving ME right...Again!

QUOTE

one is number of folks here and that Includes me) want to operate 6 AM
without hearing from DX

OK...Leave your coax plugged into an dummy load...(No, not
him...the 50 ohm one under the desk...)

If you don't want to "hear from the DX", then just don't answer
them. Otherwise you're at the whim of the Propagation God, and he
doesn't give a hoot who you want to hear from or not. When six meters
is open, it's open...When it's not, it's not.

If you want to just "work the locals", select one of the 2M or
70cm coordinated simplex channels. There's more than enough and you're

far enough away from any major city so as to not have to "deal" with
the DX.

another is some arguement over FSATV here north of the "A" Line which
cuts off the bottom of the band where FSATV hangs out in most places

So have the guys who live north of the line use the higher
channels to transmit on and below the line use the lower...

Problem solved.

a thrid issue is some of the local are not happy about the 222
bandplan, not quite sure yet what the beef is , all I do know is that
it has something to do with the fact we can reach Canada on that Band
fairly often. Indeed I manage a 222 MHZ FM simplex sked most weeks
with ham in Thunder Bay Ont

The beef is that we gave away the lower 2Mhz.

I know it is possible to adpot local variants.it would nice nice to
know how to go about it. One could just do as we please and more than
likely no one will notice.

ta-DAAAAAAAAAAH! Just make sure you're not interfering with any
users who ARE in compliance with the bandplan and you have no problem.

I don't like that "solution" as I know it
encourages chaos and if we start ignoring the bandplans in VHF then HF
bandplans are real danger. what I am looking for is an alternitive, a
way to deal with local within the struture so we can encourage
continued adherence to bandplans by making them fit us where we can,
and at VHF and up we can do this in real terms

Know how I avoid this problem...?!?!

I start off any transmission that MIGHT cause interference with...


"Is this frequency in use...?!?!"

Works just as well above 50Mhz as it does below it...

Steve, K4YZ


UNQUOTE

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"K4YZ" wrote in

KØHB wrote:

"K4YZ" wrote

And this is different from any other law...HOW?

Bandplans are cooperative agreements between affected amateurs, not "laws".

Sigh......

Bandplans are mutually agreed upon frequency sharing arrangents

Agreed (I said that above)

that the FCC has repeatedly stated the violation of will get the
violator "busted".

Disagree entirely.

Riley Hollingsworth hasn't (and won't) bust anyone for violating a bandplan. He
has (and will) bust you for interference with a coordinated repeater.

While that distinction might seem subtle, consider this. Mark and his friends
in the UP may examine the records of the coordination body and find that no
repeater has been coordinated for the frequency 52.200 (random selection by me).
In good faith they listen for several days and also do not hear any
uncoordinated repeater on that QRG. Having a clear frequency they establish a
nightly AM (or FM or CW or SSB --- all legal modes) ragchew net at 52.200.
They are now "in violation" of the bandplan, and the local coordinator may have
a hissy-fit, but no FCC violation has been perpetrated and Riley will decline to
become involved.

I'm not recommending that Mark follow this course of action (there is plenty of
room in the bandplan without parking on an unused repeater pair) but until a
repeater is coordinated on that vacant spot they are not in any danger of being
busted. Ridiculed maybe, but not busted.

In summary --- nobody ever got busted for violating a bandplan --- they got
busted for interference with a coordinated user.

Sigh!

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB

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"an_old_friend" wrote

rules and regs are NOT laws

Technically correct.

But they carry the force of law (ie., you can get fined, etc.)

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB

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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:07:43 GMT, "KØHB"
wrote:


"an_old_friend" wrote

rules and regs are NOT laws

Technically correct.

But they carry the force of law (ie., you can get fined, etc.)

agreed

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB



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K4YZ wrote:


If you don't want to "hear from the DX", then just don't answer
them.

I was under the impression that it's good operating practice to
Always answer DX on 6M, even if they are out of band.

how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 

wrote:
On 19 Oct 2005 14:58:48 -0700, wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

cut


Do you think the various 6M repeater plans can't have room for another
repeater?

You told us of

your lack of knowledge of where 6m AM activity might be found. A couple
of us told you. Now you'll undoubtedly string us along for a number of
posts as you did over the 60m "band".

Perhaps he and other associates have no 6M crystal for where the AM
activity might be found and wants a local variation.

Yeah, that not being able to buy a crystal would be a significant hurdle.

Sheesh.

CW has been crammed down our throats since the 70's because some
thirld-worlder might not be able to purchase a microphone so I think
it's legitimate that a person in America might want to try out a rig
with a crystal already in hand without having to special order one from
Jan.

Of course, your opinion is different

i question your last statement. i realy don't think we are hearing
Dave opinion at all I think we are hearing some rote he picked up over
the years

I don't. I've seen his snobbishness before.