how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:52:41 GMT, Dave Heil
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wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


KØHB wrote:


"an Old friend" wrote


I was trying to tlak the subject in general merely giving an example

???????????????????????

His local gang was tlaking to their new club official. None of them
knew anything about frequencies used for 6m AM operation.

not at all

I was trying to spark an On Topic discussion HERE about how folks
would go about local band planing

It is "band planning", Mark and it isn't done on a local basis.


It can be on vhf and above frequencies. You just need to open your
mind a little, a very little.

It can't be done locally if there is any chance of interfering with
other regional repeaters.

more pronucements from on high

the MM's have spoken
If you are coordinating to avoid putting your
local machine with one 50 or 75 miles away, you aren't dealing with
local band planning. You're dealing with regional band planning.

not according to the ARRL you are being pretty certain about the
meaning of words

the ARRL says local bandplaning is possible

Now, what do your comments have to do with 6m AM operation?

why does it have to?

the topic was local band planing as described in the ARRL repeater
guide as possible

It is
done on a national and regional basis. If we decided to implement a
local band plan for 2m here, the 2m users in Pittsburgh, Morgantown,
Parkersburg, Marietta and Columbus would be in a dither.


There is still room for local variation in a regional plan.

...not if there is any chance of interfering with other repeaters in
your region, there isn't.

You told us of

your lack of knowledge of where 6m AM activity might be found. A couple
of us told you. Now you'll undoubtedly string us along for a number of
posts as you did over the 60m "band".

Perhaps he and other associates have no 6M crystal for where the AM
activity might be found and wants a local variation.

Yeah, that not being able to buy a crystal would be a significant hurdle.

Sheesh.

Dave K8MN

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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:05:49 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:45:07 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:


wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


wrote:


KØHB wrote:


"an Old friend" wrote



I was trying to tlak the subject in general merely giving an example

???????????????????????

Hans appears incapable.

Try your local frequency coordinating body, perhaps the repeater
coordinating body for 6M, if that is your interest. Each state or
locality is different.

Not for 6m AM, SSB or CW it isn't.


No? Every state and locality can be different.

For 6m AM, SSB and CW? You're simply incorrect.


more pronoucement from on High

you make the assertion explain why

Follow the url I posted for the ARRL band plans. Read them. We can
discuss it when you're educated.

I have

nothing is stated that says CW SSB or AM are somehow not subject to
adjustment or local (or repgional) varriation, indeed the ARRL would
lack the power to say that


your assertion you back it up

don't be your normal lazy bum self and tell others to do your work for
you do it

One size does not fit
all. Read your ARRL repeater guide. Notice all the caveats wrt band
plans, coordination, and even spacing.

Those are regional differences, not local ones. What does the repeater
guide say about 6m AM operation?


Do you know of any 6m AM repeaters
anywhere?

Do you know why there can't be?

There is no reason that my house can't be chartreuse...but it isn't.

Do you know of any 6m AM repeaters? Just one will get you off the hook.


which matters how

no reason a 6m Am repeater can be built.

No reason it can be built? Did you mean "can't be built". Read my
comments above.

you understand the question so answer rather than evade, lazy bum


I know Riley was going on about a 2m AM repeater at one point

Great. There've been AM repeaters on 5m, 6m and 2m in the past. I know
of none at the present. Were you and the boys in the club going to
start a 6m AM repeater?

which mean you knoew of them? which means your point was what?

you are about as myopic as Stevie

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how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 

how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 

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On 18 Oct 2005 17:49:03 -0700, wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
KØHB wrote:
"an Old friend" wrote

I was trying to tlak the subject in general merely giving an example

???????????????????????

Hans appears incapable.

Try your local frequency coordinating body, perhaps the repeater
coordinating body for 6M, if that is your interest. Each state or
locality is different.

Not for 6m AM, SSB or CW it isn't.

No? Every state and locality can be different. One size does not fit
all. Read your ARRL repeater guide. Notice all the caveats wrt band
plans, coordination, and even spacing.

Do you know of any 6m AM repeaters
anywhere?

Dave K8MN

Do you know why there can't be?

I remmebr (out of QST I think) some years back Riley deamnding an
explanation of why some ham had an AM repeater and the clear subtext
was that it was somehow improper becuase the Bandplan called for FM

MMM

how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

KØHB wrote:

"an Old friend" wrote


I was trying to tlak the subject in general merely giving an example

???????????????????????

Hans appears incapable.

Try your local frequency coordinating body, perhaps the repeater
coordinating body for 6M, if that is your interest. Each state or
locality is different.

Not for 6m AM, SSB or CW it isn't.


No? Every state and locality can be different.

For 6m AM, SSB and CW? You're simply incorrect.

Since you say so...

Hi, hi!

One size does not fit
all. Read your ARRL repeater guide. Notice all the caveats wrt band
plans, coordination, and even spacing.

Those are regional differences, not local ones. What does the repeater
guide say about 6m AM operation?

It says to defer all 6M AM questions to K8MN.

Do you know of any 6m AM repeaters
anywhere?

Do you know why there can't be?

There is no reason that my house can't be chartreuse...but it isn't.

Do you know of any 6m AM repeaters? Just one will get you off the hook.

Dave K8MN

Do I -have- to?

how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:45:07 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:


wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


wrote:


KØHB wrote:


"an Old friend" wrote



I was trying to tlak the subject in general merely giving an example

???????????????????????

Hans appears incapable.

Try your local frequency coordinating body, perhaps the repeater
coordinating body for 6M, if that is your interest. Each state or
locality is different.

Not for 6m AM, SSB or CW it isn't.


No? Every state and locality can be different.

For 6m AM, SSB and CW? You're simply incorrect.


more pronoucement from on High

you make the assertion explain why

Follow the url I posted for the ARRL band plans. Read them. We can
discuss it when you're educated.

One size does not fit
all. Read your ARRL repeater guide. Notice all the caveats wrt band
plans, coordination, and even spacing.

Those are regional differences, not local ones. What does the repeater
guide say about 6m AM operation?


Do you know of any 6m AM repeaters
anywhere?

Do you know why there can't be?

There is no reason that my house can't be chartreuse...but it isn't.

Do you know of any 6m AM repeaters? Just one will get you off the hook.


which matters how

no reason a 6m Am repeater can be built.

No reason it can be built? Did you mean "can't be built". Read my
comments above.

I know Riley was going on about a 2m AM repeater at one point

Great. There've been AM repeaters on 5m, 6m and 2m in the past. I know
of none at the present. Were you and the boys in the club going to
start a 6m AM repeater?

Dave K8MN

I'm floored by this MMM coming out against a legacy mode. Wow and Hi!

how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
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I know Riley was going on about a 2m AM repeater at one point

Great. There've been AM repeaters on 5m, 6m and 2m in the past. I know
of none at the present. Were you and the boys in the club going to
start a 6m AM repeater?

Dave K8MN

I'm floored by this MMM coming out against a legacy mode. Wow and Hi!

indeed and fixacting on the example rather than the issue

Indeed the behavoir of the MMM is forcing me to reconsider wether there
might not be serious negitive health in some sectors of the population
induced by exposure to Mosre Coded CW

but indeed a 6M Am repeater has been kicked around althought the desire
is imply to use AM simplex mostly some where it general is not looked
for so we locals can chat.

I and others find I like AM simplex over FM simplex but when we try
using using we sometimes get interfed with by DX

how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 

KØHB wrote:
wrote


we are Yoopers can't seem to raise anyone at the listed coordinator
OTOH neither do the emails bounce


I don't think the repeater coordinators care what you do on other modes. Here
in Minnesota, at least, they concern themselves only with the repeater
sub-bands.

Yet there are frequency coordinators listed in the ARRL Repeater Guide
that do concern themselves with with frequencies, especially if you
wan't to operate outside the ordinary bandplans.

If I wanted to establish a new local AM presence I wouldn't even involve the
coordinator, if for no other reason than it's outside their job description, and
once you have their advice it becomes a "rule" of sorts. Fugitit!

Yikes! Rules from people working outside "thier" job descriptions.

As I mentioned earlier, in this area the casual AM'ers seem to be clustered
between 50.400 and 50.550, although I think there are a couple of nets that use
50.355. My inclination would be to stay above the SSB weak signal guys and
below the digital stuff. That gives you 600KHz, or roughly 75 6KHz AM slots
with 3KHz guard channels interleaved.

Fair enough. But they just might have some crystals for freqs in the
repeater bands (whatever those happen to be at the moment), and want to
do some operating as long as they don't interfere with existing users.
He never did say what he wanted to do exactly.

how a policy issue for a change...local bandplaning
 

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


KØHB wrote:


"an Old friend" wrote


I was trying to tlak the subject in general merely giving an example

???????????????????????

His local gang was tlaking to their new club official. None of them
knew anything about frequencies used for 6m AM operation.

not at all

I was trying to spark an On Topic discussion HERE about how folks
would go about local band planing

It is "band planning", Mark and it isn't done on a local basis.

It can be on vhf and above frequencies. You just need to open your
mind a little, a very little.

It can't be done locally if there is any chance of interfering with
other regional repeaters. If you are coordinating to avoid putting your
local machine with one 50 or 75 miles away, you aren't dealing with
local band planning. You're dealing with regional band planning.

Now, what do your comments have to do with 6m AM operation?

What is the input and output?

It is
done on a national and regional basis. If we decided to implement a
local band plan for 2m here, the 2m users in Pittsburgh, Morgantown,
Parkersburg, Marietta and Columbus would be in a dither.


There is still room for local variation in a regional plan.

...not if there is any chance of interfering with other repeaters in
your region, there isn't.

You state a caveat, then come down hard with a firm "NO!"

Hi!

Do you think the various 6M repeater plans can't have room for another
repeater?

You told us of

your lack of knowledge of where 6m AM activity might be found. A couple
of us told you. Now you'll undoubtedly string us along for a number of
posts as you did over the 60m "band".

Perhaps he and other associates have no 6M crystal for where the AM
activity might be found and wants a local variation.

Yeah, that not being able to buy a crystal would be a significant hurdle.

Sheesh.

CW has been crammed down our throats since the 70's because some
thirld-worlder might not be able to purchase a microphone so I think
it's legitimate that a person in America might want to try out a rig
with a crystal already in hand without having to special order one from
Jan.

Of course, your opinion is different.