From: on Nov 2, 4:38 pm


wrote:
wrote:

Well, after (ugh) reading through 3,599
filings on the FCC ECFS
under WT Docket 05-235 (up to 31 October 2005),
I'm convinced
that way too many radio amateurs are still
stuck to the glorious
past of a half century ago in radio communications.

Why, Len? Because the *majority* disagree with you?

Steve agreed with removing the Morse Code Exam. I guess that makes him
"progressive."

Robeson is still nuts, but maybe "progressively" nuts.

Jimmie is a whining little crybaby who loves to engage in
word "food fights" about minutae. In any other venue this
would be HECKLING.

Both are growing ALIKE in behavior. Scary thought, ey?

Jimmie thinks he knows ALL about long-time-ago radio. Thing is,
he did NOT work in radio a half century ago. I did. But,
Jimmie has READ a LOT about long-time-ago radio and must think
he "knows" about it...just like he "knows" all about military
life and how it feels to be geographically close to unfriendlies
during the Cold War.

There have now been 3,687 filings on WT Docket 05-235 at the FCC.
That is, very roughly, only 1% of all U.S. licensees including
or excluding those in their grace period. Statistically, that
small number would be rather marginal for any REAL determination
of either minority or majority.

However, from the TEXT of those who are against the NPRM, it is
rather obvious that the MAJORITY of THOSE are still stuck in
the morse myths and standards-practices in amateur radio of
the 1930s. Some of those believe they are engaging in some
kind of "service to their nation" by their ham radio hobby.

[the FCC uses the word "service" as a regulatory term, denoting
a type and kind of radio being regulated...such as Citizens
Band Radio SERVICE]


You haven't got *your* first amateur radio license, Len.

That would make Len "unbiased."

Irrelevant to Jimmie. Jimmie NEVER operated any HF
transmitter in the 1950s. Jimmie NEVER got any FCC
license in that time. I did both. [First 'Phone in
1956 at an FCC Field Office in Chicago, one sitting,
no retries and passed]

Us readers do NOT know for sure whether or not Jimmie EVER
worked in ANY radio service OTHER than amateur radio. He
won't say in public. Jimmie hasn't admitted that all radio
works by the SAME laws of physics. Since that is established
fact, the distinction between 'amateur' and any other kind or
type of radio is solely an adminstrative differentiation by
a radio regulating agency. Jimmie wants to make amateur radio
technology/operation somehow SPAY-SHUL and "more advanced"
than any commercial or military radio. The Church Lady is
in fine form...

secular discussion omitted as not pertinent to "score cards"


It's a Belief so deep, so basic,
that they are convinced that ALL morsemen
are "experts" on
everything and those who don't Believe
as they do are heretics
who know nothing about everything.

Sounds like sour grapes on your part.

Sounds like several of the amateurs that remain on this news group.

Sounds like ALL the pro-morse persons in here with the
exception of Hans Brakob.


The actual count of individuals commenting showed that
once duplicates and nonresponsive filings were removed,
55% of those commenting support at least a Morse Code
test for Extra. Only 45% support the NPRM, with its
complete removal of Morse Code testing.

Where did your numbers come from?

Probably from that "Secret Source" of his that he will NOT name.

Robeson still hasn't produced his "secret source" on the ex-
NADC person who supposedly did a "performance review" of my
assignment there for RCA Corporation in 1971. [NO such
"review" was ever done on contractor-visitor personnel]

Jimmie KNOWS things mo' bettah than anyone. Sigh.


But the filings on WT 05-235 show that the majority (55%!) of
those who commented want at least some code testing. That
majority is almost identical to those supporting more than
one code test speed back in 1998.

Show your work.

He will NOT. All must "show their work" to HIM if HE
requests it.

Jimmie's numbers are "accurate" by definition...of Jimmie.
None may question that. [if they do, he goes into long,
long, long, lonnnnng posts 'challenging' minutae in
everything the challenger has said]



It's interesting that you will go on and on and on
about the motivations of people you've never met,
but you won't tell us *your* motivations for
changing the regulations of the Amateur Radio Service.
Which is a radio service you are not involved in.

Lots of people deciding the outcome of the NPRM are not involved "in"
amateur radio.

Irrelevant to Jimmie or any other PCTA in here. They haven't
looked at the FCC budget figures showing how many work there.

Jimmie is still stuck in "fraternal" concepts of rule. He
apparently doesn't understand that a single federal agency
regulates ALL of U.S. civil radio (i.e., non-government,
non-military). The Laws of Congress (Communications Act of
1934, Telecommunications Act of 1996) have NOT required
ANYONE in the FCC to hold amateur radio license grants.

Jimmie and the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) think
they are a "law" unto themselves. Bless the ARRL for
continuing reinforcement of that conditioned thinking.
Want to GET INTO amateur radio? Follow the 'rule' of the
Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society and test for beeping.
No beep, no get into HF ham bands. Gosh, and they did NOT
tell the Army about that a half century ago!

The fraternal order doesn't want non-beepers dirtying up
their private sandbox. Their sand is elite. But their
sand is also sometimes used for kitty litter.

Beep, beep

wrote:
From: on Nov 2, 4:38 pm


wrote:
wrote:

Well, after (ugh) reading through 3,599
filings on the FCC ECFS
under WT Docket 05-235 (up to 31 October 2005),
I'm convinced
that way too many radio amateurs are still
stuck to the glorious
past of a half century ago in radio communications.

Why, Len? Because the *majority* disagree with you?

Steve agreed with removing the Morse Code Exam. I guess that makes him
"progressive."

Robeson is still nuts, but maybe "progressively" nuts.

Jimmie is a whining little crybaby who loves to engage in
word "food fights" about minutae. In any other venue this
would be HECKLING.

Yep.

Both are growing ALIKE in behavior. Scary thought, ey?

"Dialing..."

Jimmie thinks he knows ALL about long-time-ago radio. Thing is,
he did NOT work in radio a half century ago. I did. But,
Jimmie has READ a LOT about long-time-ago radio

In the amateur radio literature from one amateur radio publication
house.

and must think
he "knows" about it...just like he "knows" all about military
life and how it feels to be geographically close to unfriendlies
during the Cold War.

Did he get his "Cold War" certificate?

There have now been 3,687 filings on WT Docket 05-235 at the FCC.
That is, very roughly, only 1% of all U.S. licensees including
or excluding those in their grace period. Statistically, that
small number would be rather marginal for any REAL determination
of either minority or majority.

However, from the TEXT of those who are against the NPRM, it is
rather obvious that the MAJORITY of THOSE are still stuck in
the morse myths and standards-practices in amateur radio of
the 1930s. Some of those believe they are engaging in some
kind of "service to their nation" by their ham radio hobby.

See my reply to Dee about communicators needing morse code.

[the FCC uses the word "service" as a regulatory term, denoting
a type and kind of radio being regulated...such as Citizens
Band Radio SERVICE]

Correct.

You haven't got *your* first amateur radio license, Len.

That would make Len "unbiased."

Irrelevant to Jimmie. Jimmie NEVER operated any HF
transmitter in the 1950s. Jimmie NEVER got any FCC
license in that time. I did both. [First 'Phone in
1956 at an FCC Field Office in Chicago, one sitting,
no retries and passed]

But, but, but...

Us readers do NOT know for sure whether or not Jimmie EVER
worked in ANY radio service OTHER than amateur radio. He
won't say in public. Jimmie hasn't admitted that all radio
works by the SAME laws of physics. Since that is established
fact, the distinction between 'amateur' and any other kind or
type of radio is solely an adminstrative differentiation by
a radio regulating agency. Jimmie wants to make amateur radio
technology/operation somehow SPAY-SHUL and "more advanced"
than any commercial or military radio. The Church Lady is
in fine form...

The government doesn't want morse code in "thier" radio services.

secular discussion omitted as not pertinent to "score cards"

Fair enough.

It's a Belief so deep, so basic,
that they are convinced that ALL morsemen
are "experts" on
everything and those who don't Believe
as they do are heretics
who know nothing about everything.

Sounds like sour grapes on your part.

Sounds like several of the amateurs that remain on this news group.

Sounds like ALL the pro-morse persons in here with the
exception of Hans Brakob.

Hans has long advocated eliminating the morse code tests and limiting
license classes to two; Unlimited and Learner Permit.

The actual count of individuals commenting showed that
once duplicates and nonresponsive filings were removed,
55% of those commenting support at least a Morse Code
test for Extra. Only 45% support the NPRM, with its
complete removal of Morse Code testing.

Where did your numbers come from?

Probably from that "Secret Source" of his that he will NOT name.

Robeson still hasn't produced his "secret source" on the ex-
NADC person who supposedly did a "performance review" of my
assignment there for RCA Corporation in 1971. [NO such
"review" was ever done on contractor-visitor personnel]

Jimmie KNOWS things mo' bettah than anyone. Sigh.

He is always the victor in any discussion, um, errr, I meant argument.

But the filings on WT 05-235 show that the majority (55%!) of
those who commented want at least some code testing. That
majority is almost identical to those supporting more than
one code test speed back in 1998.

Show your work.

He will NOT. All must "show their work" to HIM if HE
requests it.

Jimmie's numbers are "accurate" by definition...of Jimmie.

Except his "moon distance" numbers. In all fairness, he might have
been referring to any one of Jupiter's moons.

None may question that. [if they do, he goes into long,
long, long, lonnnnng posts 'challenging' minutae in
everything the challenger has said]

The Steve shows up and everything is lies, Lies, LIES!

It's interesting that you will go on and on and on
about the motivations of people you've never met,
but you won't tell us *your* motivations for
changing the regulations of the Amateur Radio Service.
Which is a radio service you are not involved in.

Lots of people deciding the outcome of the NPRM are not involved "in"
amateur radio.

Irrelevant to Jimmie or any other PCTA in here. They haven't
looked at the FCC budget figures showing how many work there.

Jimmie is still stuck in "fraternal" concepts of rule. He
apparently doesn't understand that a single federal agency
regulates ALL of U.S. civil radio (i.e., non-government,
non-military). The Laws of Congress (Communications Act of
1934, Telecommunications Act of 1996) have NOT required
ANYONE in the FCC to hold amateur radio license grants.

And the ones who do should have "thier" licenses held in abeyence
during their term in government just so there is no conflict of
interest.

Jimmie and the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) think
they are a "law" unto themselves. Bless the ARRL for
continuing reinforcement of that conditioned thinking.

I'll have to look up that new guy who came on here several years ago
singing the praises of the Morse Code that he was -going- to learn. He
was the darling of the group, all PCTA fawning all over him. I looked
up his call about a year ago - still a no code. Wonder what "rank" he
hold today?

Want to GET INTO amateur radio? Follow the 'rule' of the
Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society and test for beeping.
No beep, no get into HF ham bands. Gosh, and they did NOT
tell the Army about that a half century ago!

Something for nothing.

The fraternal order doesn't want non-beepers dirtying up
their private sandbox. Their sand is elite. But their
sand is also sometimes used for kitty litter.

Beep, beep



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