From: on Nov 8, 5:55 pm

On 8 Nov 2005 17:18:20 -0800, wrote:

Carl Stevenson was elected Member at Large of the IEEE Standards
Association in IEEE news e-mailed to members today. He will serve
a 2-year term beginning 1 January 2006. Carl is also Executive
Director of No Code International.

not being a memeber of the IEEE(and not being licensed engineer I
don't think I am eleible) I am not esp familer with just what this
means

How many people hold the same level as carl nnow etc

One other that I know about: L. Bruce McClung, elected in the
same category, same day as Carl.

IEEE Standards Association sets many of the standards in use in
electronics, followed voluntarily by designers, manufacturers,
governments. Carl has been active in the Standards Association
for years, particularly the "588" group (Wi-Max, Wi-Fi, etc).

One does NOT have to be a "licensed engineer" to belong to the
IEEE as a member. There are two ways to do it: Have a degree
in engineering; have at least three written affidavits by IEEE
members vouching for an applicants' ability as an engineer.

"Licensed engineers" are those who have passed STATE exams in
state legislated areas of engineering.

For further information on IEEE go to www.ieee.org.


congrats Carl, but a bit more context if you don't mind Len

I thought it terribly IRONIC that long-time radio amateur
Carl Stevenson, WK3C, who WAS REFUSED A NOMINATION FOR OFFICE
AT THE ARRL (an AMATEUR organization), managed to not only
GET ON a ballot of the IEEE (a PROFESSIONAL association), and
WIN! :-)

On 9 Nov 2005 10:40:39 -0800, wrote:

From: on Nov 8, 5:55 pm

On 8 Nov 2005 17:18:20 -0800, wrote:

Carl Stevenson was elected Member at Large of the IEEE Standards
Association in IEEE news e-mailed to members today. He will serve
a 2-year term beginning 1 January 2006. Carl is also Executive
Director of No Code International.

not being a memeber of the IEEE(and not being licensed engineer I
don't think I am eleible) I am not esp familer with just what this
means

How many people hold the same level as carl nnow etc

One other that I know about: L. Bruce McClung, elected in the
same category, same day as Carl.

IEEE Standards Association sets many of the standards in use in
electronics, followed voluntarily by designers, manufacturers,
governments. Carl has been active in the Standards Association
for years, particularly the "588" group (Wi-Max, Wi-Fi, etc).

One does NOT have to be a "licensed engineer" to belong to the
IEEE as a member. There are two ways to do it: Have a degree
in engineering; have at least three written affidavits by IEEE
members vouching for an applicants' ability as an engineer.

"Licensed engineers" are those who have passed STATE exams in
state legislated areas of engineering.

For further information on IEEE go to www.ieee.org.


congrats Carl, but a bit more context if you don't mind Len

I thought it terribly IRONIC that long-time radio amateur
Carl Stevenson, WK3C, who WAS REFUSED A NOMINATION FOR OFFICE
AT THE ARRL (an AMATEUR organization), managed to not only
GET ON a ballot of the IEEE (a PROFESSIONAL association), and
WIN! :-)

agreed very ironic also very ARRL if i may put it that way



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wrote:
From: on Nov 8, 5:55 pm
On 8 Nov 2005 17:18:20 -0800, wrote:
Carl Stevenson was elected Member at Large of the IEEE Standards
Association in IEEE news e-mailed to members today.

Many of us have sent him our congratulations.

Carl is also Executive
Director of No Code International.

Nobody's perfect! ;-)

I thought it terribly IRONIC that long-time radio amateur
Carl Stevenson, WK3C, who WAS REFUSED A NOMINATION FOR OFFICE
AT THE ARRL (an AMATEUR organization), managed to not only
GET ON a ballot of the IEEE (a PROFESSIONAL association), and
WIN! :-)

Not ironic at all.

The standards of amateurism are different. Ask Jim Thorpe.

Carl had more than enough signatures on his nomination papers.
But the Executive Committee that decides such matters though there
was a conflict of interest between his professional duties and being
an ARRL Director, and declared him ineligible to run. That decision
was not reversed by the BoD.

Some members of ARRL, particularly in the Atlantic Division, did not
agree with that decision, and made their disagreement known to the
BoD, the other officers of ARRL, and anybody else involved. Those
efforts to get him on the ballot were, unfortunately, not successful.

btw, it is interesting to note the name of Carl's firm.

From: on Nov 9, 4:04 pm


wrote:
From: on Nov 8, 5:55 pm
On 8 Nov 2005 17:18:20 -0800, wrote:

Carl Stevenson was elected Member at Large of the IEEE Standards
Association in IEEE news e-mailed to members today.

Many of us have sent him our congratulations.

What do you mean "we?" You wouldn't have known about an IEEE
election without a notice from an IEEE member. YOU are NOT
an IEEE member.

WE don't know where or what YOUR "professional" electronics
activity is/involves. You could be taking lessons from
Dudly the Imposter.


I thought it terribly IRONIC that long-time radio amateur
Carl Stevenson, WK3C, who WAS REFUSED A NOMINATION FOR OFFICE
AT THE ARRL (an AMATEUR organization), managed to not only
GET ON a ballot of the IEEE (a PROFESSIONAL association), and
WIN! :-)

Not ironic at all.

WRONG. INCORRECT.

The standards of amateurism are different. Ask Jim Thorpe.

Dead a long time ago. Do you talk to the dead?!?

Other than the BoD that is...


Carl had more than enough signatures on his nomination papers.
But the Executive Committee that decides such matters though there
was a conflict of interest between his professional duties and being
an ARRL Director, and declared him ineligible to run. That decision
was not reversed by the BoD.

We've all seen your parroting of ARRL-is-god spin in here
before on that matter.

Put a cork in it and go to your seance. Ask Jim Fixx.


Some members of ARRL, particularly in the Atlantic Division, did not
agree with that decision, and made their disagreement known to the
BoD, the other officers of ARRL, and anybody else involved. Those
efforts to get him on the ballot were, unfortunately, not successful.

One cannot argue with the dead.

One cannot argue with morsemen.

Hard to tell the difference there...


btw, it is interesting to note the name of Carl's firm.

Why? Because he has one and you do not?

You know damn well that Carl got tossed off the nomination sheet
due to his being Executive Director of No Code International.
ARRL doesn't want no-coders. ARRL wants only those "acceptible"
to the BoD hierarchy.

-------

Jim-Jim, be aware that Microsoft is ready to ship a new Windows
just for you morsemen. It's supposed to be like Windows XP PRO
but it is called Windows XP Amateur. One doesn't need any
keyboard or display. Just use a morse key for input and listen
to the speakers for results. Ideal for you morsemen to show
your magnificence in communications.

wrote:
From: on Nov 9, 4:04 pm


wrote:
From: on Nov 8, 5:55 pm
On 8 Nov 2005 17:18:20 -0800, wrote:

Carl Stevenson was elected Member at Large of the IEEE Standards
Association in IEEE news e-mailed to members today.

Many of us have sent him our congratulations.

What do you mean "we?" You wouldn't have known about an IEEE
election without a notice from an IEEE member. YOU are NOT
an IEEE member.

Mouse. Pocket.

WE don't know where or what YOUR "professional" electronics
activity is/involves. You could be taking lessons from
Dudly the Imposter.

Speaks as an authority on space science, Has trouble with distance to
the moon.

I thought it terribly IRONIC that long-time radio amateur
Carl Stevenson, WK3C, who WAS REFUSED A NOMINATION FOR OFFICE
AT THE ARRL (an AMATEUR organization), managed to not only
GET ON a ballot of the IEEE (a PROFESSIONAL association), and
WIN! :-)

Not ironic at all.

WRONG. INCORRECT.

The standards of amateurism are different. Ask Jim Thorpe.

Dead a long time ago. Do you talk to the dead?!?

Other than the BoD that is...

Why would an atheist think he could talk to the dead? Reminds me of
Steve's recent attempt to talk to W0EX.

Carl had more than enough signatures on his nomination papers.
But the Executive Committee that decides such matters though there
was a conflict of interest between his professional duties and being
an ARRL Director, and declared him ineligible to run. That decision
was not reversed by the BoD.

We've all seen your parroting of ARRL-is-god spin in here
before on that matter.

Put a cork in it and go to your seance. Ask Jim Fixx.

He'll blow right by Jim Fixx and got straight to Hiram. Jim got clout.

Some members of ARRL, particularly in the Atlantic Division, did not
agree with that decision, and made their disagreement known to the
BoD, the other officers of ARRL, and anybody else involved. Those
efforts to get him on the ballot were, unfortunately, not successful.

One cannot argue with the dead.

One cannot argue with morsemen.

Hard to tell the difference there...

btw, it is interesting to note the name of Carl's firm.

Why? Because he has one and you do not?

You know damn well that Carl got tossed off the nomination sheet
due to his being Executive Director of No Code International.
ARRL doesn't want no-coders. ARRL wants only those "acceptible"
to the BoD hierarchy.

-------

Jim-Jim, be aware that Microsoft is ready to ship a new Windows
just for you morsemen. It's supposed to be like Windows XP PRO
but it is called Windows XP Amateur. One doesn't need any
keyboard or display. Just use a morse key for input and listen
to the speakers for results. Ideal for you morsemen to show
your magnificence in communications.



Hi!!!

From: on Nov 9, 5:55 pm

wrote:
From: on Nov 9, 4:04 pm
wrote:
From: on Nov 8, 5:55 pm
On 8 Nov 2005 17:18:20 -0800, wrote:


Carl Stevenson was elected Member at Large of the IEEE Standards
Association in IEEE news e-mailed to members today.

Many of us have sent him our congratulations.

What do you mean "we?" You wouldn't have known about an IEEE
election without a notice from an IEEE member. YOU are NOT
an IEEE member.

Mouse. Pocket.

Notice that Jimmie worded his sentence about "congratulations"
to NOT SPECIFICALLY SAY that J. P. Miccolis congratulated him.
Gives the impression, the implication that he did without
committing his name to some "fact."


WE don't know where or what YOUR "professional" electronics
activity is/involves. You could be taking lessons from
Dudly the Imposter.

Speaks as an authority on space science, Has trouble with distance to
the moon.

Jimmie has lots of troubles. Like telling EXACTLY what he does
for a living as a "professional."


I thought it terribly IRONIC that long-time radio amateur
Carl Stevenson, WK3C, who WAS REFUSED A NOMINATION FOR OFFICE
AT THE ARRL (an AMATEUR organization), managed to not only
GET ON a ballot of the IEEE (a PROFESSIONAL association), and
WIN! :-)

Not ironic at all.

WRONG. INCORRECT.

The standards of amateurism are different. Ask Jim Thorpe.

Dead a long time ago. Do you talk to the dead?!?

Other than the BoD that is...

Why would an atheist think he could talk to the dead? Reminds me of
Steve's recent attempt to talk to W0EX.

Dudly the Imposter can do ANYTHING. He just hasn't gotten around
to claiming everything yet... :-)


Carl had more than enough signatures on his nomination papers.
But the Executive Committee that decides such matters though there
was a conflict of interest between his professional duties and being
an ARRL Director, and declared him ineligible to run. That decision
was not reversed by the BoD.

We've all seen your parroting of ARRL-is-god spin in here
before on that matter.

Put a cork in it and go to your seance. Ask Jim Fixx.

He'll blow right by Jim Fixx and got straight to Hiram. Jim got clout.

Heh hehe. Last time I mentioned "Jim Fixx," Jimmie did NOT
seem to know who that person was.

Fixx was an author of at least one best-selling book on RUNNING.

Claimed it "prevented heart problems." Fixx died while running,
of a heart attack. Ironic.


Some members of ARRL, particularly in the Atlantic Division, did not
agree with that decision, and made their disagreement known to the
BoD, the other officers of ARRL, and anybody else involved. Those
efforts to get him on the ballot were, unfortunately, not successful.

One cannot argue with the dead.

One cannot argue with morsemen.

Hard to tell the difference there...

If the hierarchy of ARRL doesn't want someone anywhere close
to their entrenched POWER, that's it.

In 2003 Dave Sumner pulled down an annual salary of $137,558
plus $9,239 in Benefits plus $7,829 in "expenses." [source:
ARRL federal income tax returns for 2003 filed in 2004] Not
bad for being an executive vice president and "secretary."
That's higher than most managers in the electronics industry.
It's understandable that such would be very protective of
their income.

In 2003 ARRL had 23 paid positions making over $50,000 a year.
Only 10 of those were listed on the IRS returns for 2003.
Not bad for a supposedly altruistic membership organization
of only 145 thousand members supposedly "representing" all
700+ thousand United States radio amateurs. Like they make
"no profit" from their many books and other publications...

If ARRL loses membership, loses sales, well, there goes the
income. "It's all about the money with them" might fit as
Jimmie likes to put it...

btw, it is interesting to note the name of Carl's firm.

Why? Because he has one and you do not?

Jimmie probably thinks amateur radio terms are somehow
"copyrighted" and MUST NOT EVER be used in business.

Sort of like "QST," "CQ," "73," and "W5YI Group."

Jimmie now preparing to argue that I am "mistaken."
ARRL "invented" the Q-code QST...73 went out of business,
W5YI Group "doesn't like morse code" (they teach it
anyway). Don't know what Jimmie will call "CQ" since
they are a magazine competitor to QST...but he will no
doubt say they are "lower class" or something like that...

You know damn well that Carl got tossed off the nomination sheet
due to his being Executive Director of No Code International.
ARRL doesn't want no-coders. ARRL wants only those "acceptible"
to the BoD hierarchy.

ARRL has a VIRTUAL monopoly on United States amateur radio
publications. Has had that for years. Beautiful vehicle
for conditioning the thinking of United States radio amateurs.
George Orwell coined the term "big brother." That fits the
ARRL too.

wrote:

Many of us have sent him our congratulations.

Notice that Jimmie worded his sentence about "congratulations"
to NOT SPECIFICALLY SAY that J. P. Miccolis congratulated him.

Your reading comprehension is a bad as ever, Len.

Gives the impression, the implication that he did without
committing his name to some "fact."

Then let me say it another way:

I and many others sent him our congratulations.

Is that clear enough for ya?

ARRL has a VIRTUAL monopoly on United States amateur radio
publications. Has had that for years.

"CQ" magazine. "73" magazine. "ham radio" magazine. Bash books.
Gordon West publications. "Worldradio" publications. Ameco
publications.
W5YI.

Etc.

From: on Nov 10, 2:42 pm

wrote:

Many of us have sent him our congratulations.

Notice that Jimmie worded his sentence about "congratulations"
to NOT SPECIFICALLY SAY that J. P. Miccolis congratulated him.

Your reading comprehension is a bad as ever, Len.

WRONG. It is excellent.

Jimmie, YOUR MISTAKE was using vague adjectives as descriptors.

"Many of us" does NOT specifically include YOU.

You know that very well. Or did, once the Nuns spanked your
knuckles.

Try as you might, you aren't going to win message points by
manufacturing falsehoods or even brags about your writing
ability, the ones where you CLAIM to have said something
when you OBVIOUSLY did NOT do so.


Then let me say it another way:

I and many others sent him our congratulations.

Prove that. Prove the number of "many others."

Did you get a "group hug" together or what? :-)


Is that clear enough for ya?

Not really. All you've done is just more MISDIRECTION, trying
to avoid having obvious errors pointed out to you by saying
someone else "did wrong."

Now HOW DID YOU KNOW Carl was elected to anything? :-)

Don't give us some fogware bull**** about "you knew." The
results of the IEEE election were sent by private e-mail to
IEEE members on the same day as I posted the results.

You are NOT an IEEE member. I am a Life Member of the IEEE.

I will not expect any cogent answer from you. I will expect
some more fogware bull**** saying that *I* did something
"wrong" ("wrong" according to YOUR standards).

wrote:
wrote:

Many of us have sent him our congratulations.

Notice that Jimmie worded his sentence about "congratulations"
to NOT SPECIFICALLY SAY that J. P. Miccolis congratulated him.

Your reading comprehension is a bad as ever, Len.

Gives the impression, the implication that he did without
committing his name to some "fact."

Then let me say it another way:

I and many others sent him our congratulations.

Is that clear enough for ya?

ARRL has a VIRTUAL monopoly on United States amateur radio
publications. Has had that for years.

"CQ" magazine. "73" magazine. "ham radio" magazine. Bash books.
Gordon West publications. "Worldradio" publications. Ameco
publications.
W5YI.

Etc.

"Ham Radio" magazine has been pronounced "defunct" by you. Now you
claim differently? And Bash, what is the copyright on the latest Bash
book?

I do like World Radio and think "thier" SAR columns are excellent. I
need to subscribe to them now that the ARRL has lost my membership or
19 years. They should have let Carl run and take his chances with the
rest of the contenders. Last Straw. Too bad for the ARRL.

wrote:
From: on Nov 9, 4:04 pm


wrote:
From: on Nov 8, 5:55 pm
On 8 Nov 2005 17:18:20 -0800, wrote:

Carl Stevenson was elected Member at Large of the IEEE Standards
Association in IEEE news e-mailed to members today.

Many of us have sent him our congratulations.

What do you mean "we?" You wouldn't have known about an IEEE
election without a notice from an IEEE member. YOU are NOT
an IEEE member.

WE don't know where or what YOUR "professional" electronics
activity is/involves. You could be taking lessons from
Dudly the Imposter.


I thought it terribly IRONIC that long-time radio amateur
Carl Stevenson, WK3C, who WAS REFUSED A NOMINATION FOR OFFICE
AT THE ARRL (an AMATEUR organization), managed to not only
GET ON a ballot of the IEEE (a PROFESSIONAL association), and
WIN! :-)

Not ironic at all.

WRONG. INCORRECT.

Jim would not know irany if it.. Nah beter not say might be accused of
threatening him

The standards of amateurism are different. Ask Jim Thorpe.

Dead a long time ago. Do you talk to the dead?!?

Other than the BoD that is...

sorry Len you blew it the ARRL BoD is alive. The dead the do have
better manner and more honesty

Dave says I must my fellows No Coders when they make mistake and I'll
take his advice (be sure and thank him for me)

I can not allow to defile the dead as general class ( as opposed to
general license holders) by trying to class the ARRL BoD amoug them. I
will have to write a strong worded to the LA Times or something if you
don't stop distrubing the peace the dead have earned by trying include
the ARRL BoD amoug them before they have to accept those "persons" for
want of a better word



Carl had more than enough signatures on his nomination papers.
But the Executive Committee that decides such matters though there
was a conflict of interest between his professional duties and being
an ARRL Director, and declared him ineligible to run. That decision
was not reversed by the BoD.

We've all seen your parroting of ARRL-is-god spin in here
before on that matter.

Put a cork in it and go to your seance. Ask Jim Fixx.


Some members of ARRL, particularly in the Atlantic Division, did not
agree with that decision, and made their disagreement known to the
BoD, the other officers of ARRL, and anybody else involved. Those
efforts to get him on the ballot were, unfortunately, not successful.

One cannot argue with the dead.

in point of fact you can argue with the dead at least they better obey
stardards of truthfullness honesty and integety better than some we
could mention


One cannot argue with morsemen.

you got that right right on the money

Protect Us Oh Lord from the warth of the Morsemen

Hard to tell the difference there...

wrong again the dead speak bettera fter awhile they even smell better
than some of the Morsemen



btw, it is interesting to note the name of Carl's firm.

Why? Because he has one and you do not?

You know damn well that Carl got tossed off the nomination sheet
due to his being Executive Director of No Code International.
ARRL doesn't want no-coders. ARRL wants only those "acceptible"
to the BoD hierarchy.

-------

Jim-Jim, be aware that Microsoft is ready to ship a new Windows
just for you morsemen. It's supposed to be like Windows XP PRO
but it is called Windows XP Amateur. One doesn't need any
keyboard or display. Just use a morse key for input and listen
to the speakers for results. Ideal for you morsemen to show
your magnificence in communications.