Dave Heil wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:18:46 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in . net:

snip
Steve is my master. I hear and obey only Steve. I protect him from harm.
If Steve want's me to sound like a moron then I will sound like the
dumbest moron ever. Who was it that I was supposed to rescue?

Dave K8MN


You just earned your doggie treat for today.

The best you can do is to forge something and pretend that I wrote it?
I see why you had problems in the Corps.

I see that several of the "rec.radio.cb" guys are relieved to have
Frankie's attentions diverted to another forum.

Seems Frankie just can't seem to get along anywhere. He couldn't
hack being a Marine. The CBers don't want him, and all he's done in
here is try to endear himself to the Feeble Five...Like THAT'S
something to be proud of...

Now...BLATANT lies.

Steve, K4YZ

From: Dave Heil on Nov 16, 2:18 pm

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:24:34 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 16 Nov 2005 07:52:58 -0800, "an old friend"


Civic" duty does not imply any requirement to agree with a narrow
minded proven bogot like yourself

ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!
Yeah. I found the word "bogot" kind of amusing myself.

And here comes Dave to the rescue!

So how do you like being Major Dud's lapdog?

How do you figure, Frank? I made no comment on what Steve (there is no
"Major Dud") wrote. I commented on what Mark wrote and on what you
wrote. Who was it that I was supposed to rescue?

Poor Davie, forgotten already? Tsk, early sign of Alzheimer's?

[Frank, you'd better give the lapdog some doggie treats that
have been soaked in water...chewing makes his gums sore
and he gets surly...]

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Nov 16, 2:18 pm
Frankie of Silliland wrote:

So how do you like being Major Dud's lapdog?

How do you figure, Frank? I made no comment on what Steve (there is no
"Major Dud") wrote. I commented on what Mark wrote and on what you
wrote. Who was it that I was supposed to rescue?

Poor Davie, forgotten already? Tsk, early sign of Alzheimer's?

It's easy to see from Lennie's comments where Frankie get's his
misattribution deficits from.

[Frank, you'd better give the lapdog some doggie treats that
have been soaked in water...chewing makes his gums sore
and he gets surly...]

Speaking of surly lapdogs with poor gums, how IS Mrs
Lennie...?!?!

Putz.

LennieIwon'tBeHappyUntilEveryAmateurHasBeenInsulte

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
From: on Nov 16, 2:20 am

Dave Heil wrote:

In my comments to the Commission, I did not find it necessary to target
a single individual or group, nor did I use terms like "puffery",
"egregious" or "insulting".

Poor baby. Does Davie think that all against the code test
are equivalent to "two-year-olds refusing peas at dinner"
as Robert Rightsell did?

That's just typical Len behavior, Dave. Check the reply comments about
ARRL, and the one about Extra Class licenses, etc.

Pro-coders are BEYOND REPROACH!!!

WOE TO ALL WHO TALK BACK TO PRO-CODERS!!!

:-)

What Len fails to understand is that such carryings-on are simply
delaying The R&O.

Whoa! "Commissioner Miccolis" is WARNING everyone?

Nope - just stating some facts. Your wordy personal attacks in reply
comments to FCC just make you look worse than those you attack, Len.

Your organ grinder pal hasn't yet taken the
first baby step toward obtaining an amateur radio license in all these
many years.

Actually that's not quite true, Dave.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...I took my "first baby steps" in 1953, walking
into a large HF transmitter facility, working there for the
next three years. Started at age 20.

As part of a group of 700 or so.

But you hadn't taken even the first baby step to getting an amateur
radio license.

My other "first baby steps" were getting (passed in one
sitting) a First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial) Radio
Operator license at an FCC Field Office in Chicago, 90
miles away. Did that at age 23...in 1956.

But you still hadn't taken even the first baby step to getting an
amateur radio license.

Some months back, Len mentioned here that he had once, way back
in the 1950s, set about learning Morse Code. Claimed he'd actually
gotten up to about 6-8 wpm or so before deciding all the 'hard work'
wasn't worth it. That was just about the time 27 MHz cb came along,
and he jumped on that.

WRONG. MISTAKE. ERROR.

Actually two errors. Got the date wrong and the sequence with cb.

Class D Citizens Band was created in 1958. I got a CB License
(NO TEST) in 1959.

And you *still* hadn't taken even the first baby step to getting an
amateur radio license.

Let's see....you were ~26 then...

Was working for Ramo-Wooldridge Corporation
then and had just transferred from the Electronics Warfare
Group to the Standards Laboratory.

Why is that important?

I thought to give AMATEUR radio a shot in 1962, three years
LATER from obtaining a CB license.

At about 29 years of age....

By then I'd already had
electronics design engineering responsibility and title at
Micro-Radionics, Inc., in Van Nuys, CA,

Lot of different employers for a guy under 30....

and a First Phone
for 6 years and had worked among 40+ HF transmitters at one
station for 3 years in the U.S. Army.

The number of transmitters seems to grow with each telling.

Like I "need" to
study "ham radio theory" for any AMATEUR license exam? No.

You might have needed to study the rules and regulations.

I'd never had any morse code training anywhere then, no
freebie classes in the service. Was NOT needed.

Not for the jobs you did. For other jobs it would have been essential.

Got a reel-to-reel dupe of some code practice records

Pirated copy?

and
started in with those in the "off-hours" when not doing
home work from 6 units a semester night class college
courses and playing with my first wife. Now WHICH do you
think had priority, prudey Jimmie? :-)

"prudey"?

So, in 1962, as a staff engineer at MRI working on radar
and aircraft radionavigation test sets (up to Ku Band on
the A-6 Intruder flight deck test set) with some years of
HF and MF transmitter experience, the CB set in the sports
car already "getting dusty"

Why?

and having worked with lots of
rather advanced technology DoD contract equipment...I am
SUPPOSED TO SHOW ETHICAL AND MORAL "FIBER" by learning
morse code?!?!?

It's up to you, Len. Back then the Novice and Technician licenses
required
only a 5 wpm test. A full-privileges General class license required 13
wpm.
You stated that you "GAVE UP" at around 6 or 8 wpm.

What I think happened is this: Len discovered that unlike "book learning",
he didn't pick up on the Morse Code in a few quick lessons.

Looks like that part's true.

For him it
took some 'hard work' to learn, and that conflicted with his view of himself
as a 'professional in radio-electronics'.

True again.

Not only that, but learning Morse
Code would not help Len 'PROFESSIONALLY' - there was no money
reward waiting. So he gave up.

There was NO INTELLECTUAL REWARD "waiting," sweetums.

Sure there was - the amateur radio license and all that you could
do with it. Wasn't worth your time? Fine!

Was
lots and lots and lots more of real, live technology to
learn everywhere in electronics. Still is.

Then why are you here?

Why the fork was I "supposed" to GO BACK IN TIME on radio?

There was nobody using Morse Code in 1962?

Jimmie, you poor iggorant soul, even in 1962, the USE of
morse code ANYWHERE was already DECREASING.

Really?

On land it
was almost done for. On RF it had already been DISPLACED
by faster (100 WPM) teleprinter "traffic" on long-haul HF
radio circuits. USAF SAC had ALREADY started the single-
channel SSB VOICE revolution on HF with DoD contracts.

What about the Navy? Coast Guard? Maritime radio?

Most of all, what about *amateur* radio?

Damn RIGHT there was NO MONEY in it.

Bingo! I was right!

There was NO
INTELLECTUAL reward in it.

Then what's your problem?

I couldn't start planning a
family in a house or a future in aerospace by learning
morse code for an AMATEUR HOBBY activity. Sorry, Jimmie,
but morsemanship skills in 1962 didn't help me pay a
mortgage...didn't help me buy food...didn't help pay for
clothes or, later, doctor and hospice bills to come,
though I didn't know that until after...

In other words, if it didn't make money for you, it wasn't going to
get your time and effort.

Yeah, like morse code was "cutting-edge technology" and
"excellence in radio" in 1962?

Who said that? Not me.

Do you always have to be on the cutting edge, Len? Do you have a
cutting-edge computer?

Bull****.

Awwwww.

You don't
know that because you weren't yet the great big EXTRA
super special AMATEUR license until long after and were
still a kiddie then.

In 1962 I was 8 years old

5 years later, in 1967, I was a licensed amateur radio operator at age
13. You were not.

8 years later, in 1970, I earned the Amateur Extra license at age 16.
Between 10th and 11th grade. You were not licensed as a radio amateur
then, either.

8 years is hardly "long after" and I guess you consider 13 - 16 to be
"kiddies"...

Hell, you couldn't even hack the
one extra test element for a FIRST 'Phone much later
and settled for SECOND Class. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

I got the Second Phone at age 18, in 1972. Didn't need a First Phone.

He hasn't gotten into amateur radio. He isn't in amateur
radio. He will not be in amateur radio, no matter what he writes here.

Which would lead any logical person to wonder why he's so interested
in amateur radio regulations. He won't say *why* all this matters so
much to him.

Tsk, tsk. Jimmie make "plain, simple mistake." I've already
written (it is all still in Google) that it might be FUN to
get into amateur radio.

"might be FUN"?

For whom? You don't say it might be fun for *you*. One would think that
after 43 years you'd know....

I've already written that it is an
enjoyable hobby pastime shared by thousands.

But not shared by *you*

Why do you
disagree with that or say I never wrote it?

You don't tell us why *you* are so interested in something you are
not a part of and most probably never will be.

Let's see...I am retired from a successful career (from regular
hours, I still do contract work IF I want to) in electronics
design engineering, have a fine house (all paid for), have a
wonderful wife (who was also my high school sweetheart), have
had enough TITLES and POSITIONS to satisfy me, half century,
a comfortable income to handle easy living now.

You've told us how great things are for you many, many times, Len.
As if all that somehow explains your obsession.

But you still haven't taken even the first baby step to getting an
amateur radio license.

I do NOT NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING by getting more TITLES, more
certificates suitable for framing.

Not about that at all.

I do not need my friends
and neighbors to come over and marvel at my cutting-edge radio
technology of homebuilt tube kludges designed in the 1990s; we
talk about other things and are friendly.

Then why are you so unfriendly here, Len?

I have ONE sole-
inventor patent and a nice plaque from RCA Corporation which
I NO LONGER display on the wall like a trophy.

But you did once....

My wife has
THREE degrees, one BA, two MSs, and she doesn't need those
displayed on the wall; those are in storage up in Puget Sound
area weren't on display in the northern house.

But you mention them and your other accomplishments here, and in
comments to FCC, over and over again.

Yet you have no amateur radio license....

We are secure
in ourselves. We've "done it" and DON'T need to brag, don't
need more pretty certificates suitable for framing.

Then why are you here?

The
FUTURE is just ahead and we are ENJOYING that. Why don't you
like others enjoying life as THEY prefer?

It seems to me that what you most enjoy about amateur radio is
insulting
and denigrating radio amateurs via the internet.

Jimmie, what of YOU?

Who is this "Jimmie" you speak of?

You talk as if making money is some kind
of evil, capitalistic running-dog kind of thing. Are you
some kind of closet commie? A secret socialist?

Well, you can't be talking about me, because I'm none of those things.

Or are you
just resentful that someone else has something you don't have?

Not me. You sure seem to be, though.

Jimmie, WHY do YOU and Diplomacy-Not Davie want to keep U.S.
amateur radio REGRESSED?

I don't.

Why do YOU want to hold the status
quo forever and ever?

I think good things should be retained. Old is not bad.

You are NOT custodian of archaic radio
arts. You've NEVER worked in 24/7 long-haul HF radio traffic
services. You've apparently NEVER done any radio activity
outside of HF.

Actually, I have.

You never got a FIRST 'Phone even though you
claim to be "so educated" and that extra exam element is NOT
any intellectual challenge.

Where did I claim any of that?

You aren't, and never were, any
radio regulating person in government..

Neither were you..

.yet you make out like
you "KNOW" things they do.

Have I been wrong?

Hell, you've never had PRIDE in
what you work at at work

Not me. I'm proud of what I do. I just don't repeat it over and over
and over in an amateur radio newsgroup.

and try to keep your employer a
big, dark secret...you never talk about it except in very
vague descriptions and implications.

Why should I mention it here, Len? Is there *any* employment that would
change the way you behave towards others who disagree with you?

Jimmie, are you a merry masochist or a chary control-freak,
insisting that it is "morally wrong" to go against morse
code testing?

Who is this "Jimmie", Len? The person you describe isn't like
me at all.

You are really resentful and unarguably
antagonistic against all who "haven't done it like you did
it."

That would be more like *you*, Len.

WHY does everyone have to do it like you did it?
Why are you holding back uncountable newcomers of the future?

Hobbies are supposed to be FUN, Jimmie. You don't want
FUN? Are you in some strange "radio-Amish" cult that wants
to stop technology and standards and practices in a HOBBY
radio activity to the 1930s era? You talk and act like that.

Nobody used Morse Code in the 1940s?

You are not nice to those who want to change your fantasy,
Jimmie. You insist on having it YOUR way, to "work hard"
at a HOBBY. Maybe it's a RELIGIOUS thing to you, this
morsemanship? We all "must" worship at the Church of St.
Hiram and seek the Holy Key as penitants, perhaps as
flagellants, for some "higher calling?"

Not my "cuppa," Jimmie. HOBBIES are for FUN, for enjoyment.

So if something isn't fun for *you*, it must not exist....

AMATEUR radio is a HOBBY, Jimmie.

And much more, Len. You think the amateurs who went to help
out after the recent hurricanes were only "hobbyists" doing it for
"FUN"?

No matter what YOUR
fantasy tells you, it is NOT vital to the nation nor is it
the highest plane of existance of man's endeavors to become
a mighty morseman. Really.

I think hobbies are FUN, Jimmie. Maybe ham radio would be
FUN for me.

Finally! But you're not sure?

It might even be FUN for thousands and thousands
in the future. Yet, you want the FCC to keep regulations
that makes a HOBBY activity "hard work" or some odd kind of
"competitive sports" with attendant titles and privileges
as if in a feudal state.

Naw, just a simple basic test of a useful radio skill. One that even
*you* managed to learn...

You want to be SUPERIOR through
morsemanship. SUPERIOR to all others with rank-title-status
in a HOBBY.

Why, Len, you said you were "going for Extra right out of the box"...

All bow down to your extra-class 20 WPM lordship?

Not me..

wrote:
wrote:

Tsk, tsk, tsk...I took my "first baby steps" in 1953, walking
into a large HF transmitter facility, working there for the
next three years. Started at age 20.

As part of a group of 700 or so.

And not a single piece of traffic actually handled BY Lennie...

Class D Citizens Band was created in 1958. I got a CB License
(NO TEST) in 1959.

And you *still* hadn't taken even the first baby step to getting an
amateur radio license.

Let's see....you were ~26 then...

It's easy to see why he pales when he sees teenagers and
gradeschoolers passing examinations that he didn't even dare try.

I thought to give AMATEUR radio a shot in 1962, three years
LATER from obtaining a CB license.

At about 29 years of age....

And teenagers and gradeschoolers were passing the exams at all
levels then, too...

WITH the 20 WPM Morse test, sending AND receiving.

By then I'd already had
electronics design engineering responsibility and title at
Micro-Radionics, Inc., in Van Nuys, CA,

Lot of different employers for a guy under 30....

Nowadays we'd call that an "unstable work history".

and a First Phone
for 6 years and had worked among 40+ HF transmitters at one
station for 3 years in the U.S. Army.

The number of transmitters seems to grow with each telling.

Doesn't it, though...?!?!

and having worked with lots of
rather advanced technology DoD contract equipment...I am
SUPPOSED TO SHOW ETHICAL AND MORAL "FIBER" by learning
morse code?!?!?

It's up to you, Len. Back then the Novice and Technician licenses
required
only a 5 wpm test. A full-privileges General class license required 13
wpm.
You stated that you "GAVE UP" at around 6 or 8 wpm.

I imagine that "giving up" is easy for Lennie.

There was NO INTELLECTUAL REWARD "waiting," sweetums.

Sure there was - the amateur radio license and all that you could
do with it. Wasn't worth your time? Fine!

All that spectrum to roam in..."not worth it"...

Why the fork was I "supposed" to GO BACK IN TIME on radio?

There was nobody using Morse Code in 1962?

No "preeti fems" to chat with, I dare say. Ruth Buzzy's bag lady
was still just a flash in the back of her mind.

Jimmie, you poor iggorant soul, even in 1962, the USE of
morse code ANYWHERE was already DECREASING.

Really?

"iggorant".

Uh huh.

Yeah, like morse code was "cutting-edge technology" and
"excellence in radio" in 1962?

Who said that? Not me.

Do you always have to be on the cutting edge, Len? Do you have a
cutting-edge computer?

I can see Lennie in the computer store every 3 months buying the
"latest and greatest"...Heaven forbid he'd actually INVENT the latest
and greatest, inasmuch as there'd be CONSIDERABLE financial reard in
THAT!

You don't
know that because you weren't yet the great big EXTRA
super special AMATEUR license until long after and were
still a kiddie then.

In 1962 I was 8 years old

And I was seven. However 43 years later I STILL have 30+ years
MORE HF radio experience than Lennie, assuming we only count my Amateur
experience.

But considering 1962 was when my dad got his first CB rig we can
add in 13 more years. He had a "19Q" callsign for a brief while, then
KHG8459. So if we add those numbers up, MY "HF radio experience"
started clocking up in 62 for a total of 43 years today.

(At this point Lennie will bust-a-gut trying to minimize the fact
that I was in gradeschool and that the "experience" was "only" on
CB...Forgetting, of course, that he's repeatedly "counted" CB as "HF"
experience and also goes to great lengths to regale us of tales of "how
it was" with "Civil Defense" during World War 2...when HE was "just" a
gradeschooler....)

5 years later, in 1967, I was a licensed amateur radio operator at age
13. You were not.

I still had 5 years to go! But I was neck-deep in following the
space program at that point.

8 years later, in 1970, I earned the Amateur Extra license at age 16.
Between 10th and 11th grade. You were not licensed as a radio amateur
then, either.

8 years is hardly "long after" and I guess you consider 13 - 16 to be
"kiddies"...

When I finally did get my first license, I built my first receiver
from kit and the transmitter from scrounged (and some "new") parts.
The transmatch, too.

Most of my "peers" were too busy drinking and partying. I
prefered the "INTELLECTUAL REWARD" aspects of the radios. I didn't
have to worry about getting arrested and didn't have a hang over when
I'd been up all night on the air.

Tsk, tsk. Jimmie make "plain, simple mistake." I've already
written (it is all still in Google) that it might be FUN to
get into amateur radio.

"might be FUN"?

For whom? You don't say it might be fun for *you*. One would think that
after 43 years you'd know....

It took him 14 years to complete a 3 year degree, Jim...give the
"guy" some time to make his mind up! He's only been bashng USENET for
10 years over this...He's got four more to go to beat that record.

I do NOT NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING by getting more TITLES, more
certificates suitable for framing.

Not about that at all.

I think that was pretty clear demonstration of the "I Am Not
Taking The Same Test Mere Mortals Are Required To Take" attitude that
Lennie seems to hold.

I do not need my friends
and neighbors to come over and marvel at my cutting-edge radio
technology of homebuilt tube kludges designed in the 1990s; we
talk about other things and are friendly.

Then why are you so unfriendly here, Len?

I am sure he pays them well to sit and listen to his stories,
Jim...

But since he's so profit-motivated, MAYBE if we sent him a check
to get lost...?!?!

Naaaaaahhhhhhh...He'll just waste it on more Geritol...

My wife has
THREE degrees, one BA, two MSs, and she doesn't need those
displayed on the wall; those are in storage up in Puget Sound
area weren't on display in the northern house.

But you mention them and your other accomplishments here, and in
comments to FCC, over and over again.

Yet you have no amateur radio license....

I still gape in awe at Lennie's ability to intertwine unrelated
stuff into the post in order to make HIM appear more, well..rounded...

Lennie's "...My wife has..." comments smack of the same tricks he
pulled in reference to his Army duties and how he tried to make other
men's sacrifices make HIM look better...

And he thinks no one but he can see it......

You are NOT custodian of archaic radio
arts. You've NEVER worked in 24/7 long-haul HF radio traffic
services. You've apparently NEVER done any radio activity
outside of HF.

Actually, I have.

Nice thing about that Amateur license over the GROL...It ALSO has
a STATION license within...Along with attendant callsign...Let's us get
on the air any darned time we want...Not just if our employer requests
it or pays for it!

You are really resentful and unarguably
antagonistic against all who "haven't done it like you did
it."

That would be more like *you*, Len.

"...more like...", Jim...?!?!

Being a bit gracious there, aren't you...?!?!

Not my "cuppa," Jimmie. HOBBIES are for FUN, for enjoyment.

So if something isn't fun for *you*, it must not exist....

Guess that explains the lack of offspring.

AMATEUR radio is a HOBBY, Jimmie.

And much more, Len. You think the amateurs who went to help
out after the recent hurricanes were only "hobbyists" doing it for
"FUN"?

Jim, Jim, JIM!

We can't count that!

Afterall, everyone KNOWS it was an ARRL/ARES conspiracy to extort
additional funds for Emergency Services training and facilities. All
of the damage, refugees, deaths, etc, were just carefully crafted video
works of the ARRL Media Department. All of the graciously positive
press we received was just the result of well padded hands at every
major TV, Radio, Print and Internet news agency.

Why do you think the storm started with a "K"...?!?!

I think hobbies are FUN, Jimmie. Maybe ham radio would be
FUN for me.

Finally! But you're not sure?

No, it won't be fun for him.

Because sooner or later one of the "locals" would find Lennie's
hateful, deceitful and blatantly dishonest rants in this forum and the
FCC archives.

Then he'd have to "fess up" to REAL Amateurs about his behaviour.

You want to be SUPERIOR through
morsemanship. SUPERIOR to all others with rank-title-status
in a HOBBY.

Why, Len, you said you were "going for Extra right out of the box"...

As I said..."...blatantly dishonest..."

73

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
In my comments to the Commission, I did not find it necessary to target
a single individual or group, nor did I use terms like "puffery",
"egregious" or "insulting".

That's just typical Len behavior, Dave. Check the reply comments about
ARRL, and the one about Extra Class licenses, etc.

Len can't seem to differentiate between the type of stuff he writes here
and a document he submits to the FCC.

What Len fails to understand is that such carryings-on are simply
delaying
the R&O.

....and may well have the result of making his comments appear less
credible to the Commission.

Your organ grinder pal hasn't yet taken the
first baby step toward obtaining an amateur radio license in all these
many years.

Actually that's not quite true, Dave.

Some months back, Len mentioned here that he had once, way back
in the 1950s, set about learning Morse Code. Claimed he'd actually
gotten up to about 6-8 wpm or so before deciding all the 'hard work'
wasn't worth it. That was just about the time 27 MHz cb came along,
and he jumped on that.

Your point may be valid but I learned the Morse Code in the Scouts,
before I had any idea of becoming a ham. The fellow who taught it did
it right. There was no counting of dots and dashes. He linked the
letter sounds to groups of words like "here comes the bride" for "Q".
It wasn't work; it was fun. Brushing up my code a couple of years later
before taking the Novice exam wasn't any work either.

What I think happened is this: Len discovered that unlike "book
learning",
he didn't pick up on the Morse Code in a few quick lessons. For him it
took some 'hard work' to learn, and that conflicted with his view of
himself
as a 'professional in radio-electronics'. Not only that, but learning
Morse
Code would not help Len 'PROFESSIONALLY' - there was no money
reward waiting. So he gave up.

I agree.

He hasn't gotten into amateur radio. He isn't in amateur
radio. He will not be in amateur radio, no matter what he writes here.

Which would lead any logical person to wonder why he's so interested
in amateur radio regulations. He won't say *why* all this matters so
much to him.

He bears a long time grudge?

Dave K8MN

an old friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an old friend wrote:
ah I guess Dave does not like american doing their civic duty
CIVIC DUTY...?!?!?

yes civic duty
cuting stevie crying

I "dared" to challenge one of Lennie's comments to the FCC in
EXACTLY the same manner and he went on for Y E A R S about how I
allegedly tried to challenge his "right" to seek redress from the
government! ! ! !

becuase you did

you tried to get the FCC to violate the Consititution of the US becuase
you don't like Len anderson. Personaly I am glad you did, made anything
else you tired to say all but unread

Let me be certain that I understand you correctly (whew!), Mark. You
claim that Len was doing his civic duty as an American (we'll leave out
those nearly 300,000,000 shirkers who were *not* doing their civic duty
in commenting or replying to comments on 05-235), but when Steve did
something similar, he was trying to get the FCC to violate the
Constitution. Is that about it? Do you think that Len doesn't like Mr.
Rightsell or Extra Class licensees?

Show us that you know the meaning of the word "civic", Mark. If that
doesn't work for you, show us that you know the meaning of the word "civet".

Dave K8MN

From: "K4YZ" on Wed 16 Nov 2005 20:30

wrote:
From: on Nov 16, 2:20 am
Dave Heil wrote:

In my comments to the Commission, I did not find it necessary to target
a single individual or group, nor did I use terms like "puffery",
"egregious" or "insulting".

Poor baby. Does Davie think that all against the code test
are equivalent to "two-year-olds refusing peas at dinner"
as Robert Rightsell did?

And once again Lennie digs in with personal attacks...Yet INSISTS
that he doesn't do such things...

I don't. Dudly the Imposter can't distinguish between STRONG
formal commentary to the federal government and his usual
"putzy" venalities she makes to others in here...

That's just typical Len behavior, Dave. Check the reply comments about
ARRL, and the one about Extra Class licenses, etc.

Pro-coders are BEYOND REPROACH!!!

WOE TO ALL WHO TALK BACK TO PRO-CODERS!!!

Poor redirect. Strong on "victimization" twist.

Dudly been watching Law shows, trying to pick up their lingo?

Are we now going to be treated to "judge" Dudly and ANOTHER
fictitious "career?" :-)

Jimmie, when you start working for GOVERNMENT as "official
watch-dog?"

You are barking up the wrong tree. Pizz on it.

More profanity.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The "seven hostile action marine gunny" complaining about
"profanity!!!"

BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


HUGE SNIP of Dudly's attempt to push buttons



I'm "just asking questions," Jimmie.

Me too.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Dudly the Imposter is in no position to "ask."

The rest of us readers have been waiting impatiently for the
PROOF of Dudly's claims. Those haven't appeared. Not for
seven years. All we have are PERSONAL INSULTS as "responses"
such as the one following:

Why don't you treat yourself to a REAL mental health
provider...?!?! Not that correspondence school nitwit you married.

Sad to see Dudly the Imposter beginning to slide off the
edge of reality into the terribly abyss of insanity.

Dudly tries to insult my wife, a holder of three degrees
obtained at Beloit College, Beloit WI, University of Illinois
at Champaign-Urbana, University of Wisconsin at Madison,
Madison, WI. That's a BA, two MSs, residence studies not
through "correspondence schools." She was licensed in both
Illinois (working for the state) and Washington (private
practice) as a Social Services Counselor (supervisor while
in Illinois). I've explained that all before, but Dud
keeps on with his personal insults against family of anyone
he considers an "enemy." Dudly is clearly irrational and
is most likely going insane in his abject HATRED of others.

As to "nitwit," I don't remember my wife's IQ rating back
in high school days (our Class of 1951 was given a two-
week long battery of tests by U of I as part of a state-
wide study) but it was quite high. While my wife HAS
worked with mentally-deranged persons, I need NO extra
information from her to recognize abberant behavior such
as Dudly the Imposter has done in here. Such irrational
behavior is easily spotted after being an observant adult
for a long period of time.

Why does Dudly persist in his personal insults of everyone
who disagrees with him in here? That's the irrational part.
Coupled with his abject REFUSAL to provide any PROOF of his
claims, it shows the irrationality as if it were spotlighted.

Dudly the Imposter has yet to produce any PROOF of his many
and very varied CLAIMS. None in seven years of his spewing
hatred against others. His "military career" is apparently
just a big package of lies. We readers know he has no
real concept of radio or electronics theory. We have NOT
seen where any other radio amateur has ever "worked" him on
the amateur bands. Dudly provides NO names of his friends
in amateur radio nor in any of the hobbies he claims to be
involved in. Dudly provides NO names of any friends in the
USMC during a supposed 18-year term of service. He appears
to be nothing but a FRAUD, a con man, a snow-jobber with
an addiction to things military, uniforms, and heroic
actions claimed of himself. He wants all the attention
focussed on HIM yet he will NOT provide any proof himself.
When challenged on anything, Dudly "responds" with a salvo
of personal insults in an attempt to misdirect the thread
into some kind of "battle" between HIM and all others.

This thread started out concerning NPRM 05-143 and WT Docket
05-235. Those are policy issues that have recently been
before the U.S. amateur community. I think it should stay
that way and NOT plunge into the irrational chasm of Dudly
at war with his enemies. He can never win that war.

From: on Thurs 17 Nov 2005 02:45

wrote:
From: on Nov 16, 2:20 am
Dave Heil wrote:


What Len fails to understand is that such carryings-on are simply
delaying The R&O.

Whoa! "Commissioner Miccolis" is WARNING everyone?

Nope - just stating some facts. Your wordy personal attacks in reply
comments to FCC just make you look worse than those you attack, Len.

Only to mighty motivated macho morsemen. :-)


But you hadn't taken even the first baby step to getting an amateur
radio license.

WHY was that required? You haven't explained the "necessity"
of gettng an amateur license FIRST.

Jimmie, you really DON'T understand the environment I was
working in/at. Go download:

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...s/My3Years.pdf

...in order to see that environment. NONE of it required any
"baby steps" going FIRST through some hobby license.


But you still hadn't taken even the first baby step to getting an
amateur radio license.

WHY? You are starting to sound as irrational as Dudly...


Actually two errors. Got the date wrong and the sequence with cb.

With all those ERRORS you make, you are getting a reputation
for irrationality and unreliability...


And you *still* hadn't taken even the first baby step to getting an
amateur radio license.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, and Jimmie is still walking around in his
baby shoes, taking little baby steps.

Quick, somebody change his diaper...



What I think happened is this: Len discovered that unlike "book learning",
he didn't pick up on the Morse Code in a few quick lessons.

Looks like that part's true.

My, my, little baby step Jimmie IS starting to look as hateful
as Dudly, always seeking to impugn my "motivations" (that you
think up in your fantasy).


There was NO INTELLECTUAL REWARD "waiting," sweetums.

Sure there was - the amateur radio license and all that you could
do with it. Wasn't worth your time? Fine!

So...I already had plenty of REAL experience in PROFESSIONAL
HF radio communications, a First 'Phone (Commercial), and
those were "NOT intellectual?!?"

You ARE getting irrational.


There was NO
INTELLECTUAL reward in it.

Then what's your problem?

YOUR irrationality.


In other words, if it didn't make money for you, it wasn't going to
get your time and effort.

You really can't understand anyone who doesn't have YOUR
immaculate set of "standards" can you?



Do you always have to be on the cutting edge, Len? Do you have a
cutting-edge computer?

Close enough. If I want cutting-edge, I go to the inside
workshop or the kitchen. Lots of good cutting tools there.


In 1962 I was 8 years old

5 years later, in 1967, I was a licensed amateur radio operator at age
13. You were not.

At 13 you were still taking baby steps?


I got the Second Phone at age 18, in 1972. Didn't need a First Phone.

At 18 you still hadn't taken off the baby shoes?



You don't tell us why *you* are so interested in something you are
not a part of and most probably never will be.

Take off your baby shoes and quit bawling like an infant.

YOU, still in your baby shoes, aren't worthy of an answer
to your demands for "motivation." When given, you won't
accept any reasonable explanation.

I don't care to be a baby sitter for some puerile mewling
about "baby shoes."


Let's see...I am retired from a successful career (from regular
hours, I still do contract work IF I want to) in electronics
design engineering, have a fine house (all paid for), have a
wonderful wife (who was also my high school sweetheart), have
had enough TITLES and POSITIONS to satisfy me, half century,
a comfortable income to handle easy living now.

You've told us how great things are for you many, many times, Len.
As if all that somehow explains your obsession.

"Obsession?!?" :-)

Trying to change federal law is an "obsession?"

Yes, I can see where baby shoe wearers would get petulant and
whiny if their hobby radio toys and merit badges are
threatened...

But you still haven't taken even the first baby step to getting an
amateur radio license.

Again with "baby shoes." Irrational.


I do NOT NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING by getting more TITLES, more
certificates suitable for framing.

Not about that at all.

YES, it IS, Jimmie. You haven't graduated to ADULT shoes
yet and you are in middle age.


Then why are you so unfriendly here, Len?

PCTAs are NOT a friendly sort when their radio toys and merit
badges are threatened. Especially those who are still wearing
their baby shoes such as yourself.



But you mention them and your other accomplishments here, and in
comments to FCC, over and over again.

Yet you have no amateur radio license....

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup, Jimmie, with that "comparison/analogue" you have exhibited
great IRRATIONALITY.


We are secure
in ourselves. We've "done it" and DON'T need to brag, don't
need more pretty certificates suitable for framing.

Then why are you here?

It is part of a greater effort to eliminate morse code testing
from United States amateur radio regulations on license exams.

How many times must I repeat that before you understand?


It seems to me that what you most enjoy about amateur radio is insulting
and denigrating radio amateurs via the internet.

Sorry, Jimmie, I only "insult" those poor misguided souls
who think that morse code mode communications is still
"cutting-edge technology skill" in radio.

Jimmie, WHY do YOU continue to insult, demean, anatagonize all
who see to remove the code test?

Why are YOU so obsessed with retaining it?

Why are YOU so obsessed with regressing U.S. amateur radio?


Who is this "Jimmie" you speak of?

Yourself. Are you uncomfortable with affectionate, friendly
names?


Well, you can't be talking about me, because I'm none of those things.

You are without fault? You are the shining example of
comportment in the "amateur community?" :-)

Role models look very silly standing tall in baby shoes, Jimmie.



You are NOT custodian of archaic radio
arts. You've NEVER worked in 24/7 long-haul HF radio traffic
services. You've apparently NEVER done any radio activity
outside of HF.

Actually, I have.

PROVE it by third-party references...or be called Brother of
Dudly the Imposter.


Hell, you've never had PRIDE in
what you work at at work

Not me. I'm proud of what I do. I just don't repeat it over and over
and over in an amateur radio newsgroup.

Brother of Dudly, since you NEVER explained what you work at
or where you work, both lacking detail, you will NEVER be
accused of "repeating it over and over and over." :-)

and try to keep your employer a
big, dark secret...you never talk about it except in very
vague descriptions and implications.

Why should I mention it here, Len? Is there *any* employment that would
change the way you behave towards others who disagree with you?

Brother of Dudly, don't try misdirection again. Tiresome.

We readers will just put you down as either NOT WORKING or
at some place not associated with electronics at all.

You don't talk shop. You can't relate your work to electronics
or don't want to. You make some inferences and vague claims,
but NOTHING SPECIFIC. You accuse all those who disagree with
you of "bad behavior." Sure sounds like what Dudly the Imposter
has done continually in here for years.

Why are you so antagonistic to CHANGE, Jimie? Why must you
keep wearing your baby shoes?

Jimmie, are you a merry masochist or a chary control-freak,
insisting that it is "morally wrong" to go against morse
code testing?

Who is this "Jimmie", Len? The person you describe isn't like
me at all.

YES, it IS. Jimmie, you are constantly AGAINST the code test
elimination. You are antagonistic to all those who want to
get rid of it. Why is that, Jimmie?

Are your baby shoes so very, very important to you?



AMATEUR radio is a HOBBY, Jimmie.

And much more, Len. You think the amateurs who went to help
out after the recent hurricanes were only "hobbyists" doing it for
"FUN"?

Thousands and thousands of human being helped the victims
of hurricanes Katrina and Rita. NO amateur radio license
was "required" to HELP A FELLOW HUMAN BEING.

Cut out the sensationalist pandering to visceral emotion,
Jimmie. It's so phony.

AMATEUR RADIO IS BASICALLY A *HOBBY*. It was never anything
else.

You want a HERO MEDAL for being a ham? Go to a jewelry
maker and have them make it for you. I'm sure your "friends
and neighbors" will all gush over it and make you feel very
heroic and wonderful.

AMATEUR RADIO IS BASICALLY A *HOBBY*. It was never anything
more.


Say goodnight, Brother of Dudly. Put your baby shoes down
beside the crib and crawl in. Mommie and Daddie will be
along to tuck you in...

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Wed 16 Nov 2005 20:30

Poor redirect. Strong on "victimization" twist.

Dudly been watching Law shows, trying to pick up their lingo?

Are we now going to be treated to "judge" Dudly and ANOTHER
fictitious "career?" :-)

Guessing game. Match the Quote with the author.

"Your Honor, I STRENUOUSLY Object!"

"I stand on the wall...."

"I served in other, unmentionable ways..."

Choices: Steve, Steve, and Jim.