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wrote The Army found that out during the Battle of the Bulge...where every soldier, regardless of MOS, were suddenly IN "battle." Ever since the U.S. Army has made it a point to continue basic battle training long after soldiers have finished basic training. And your point is? All sorts of people in all sorts of jobs face danger every day, Len. The electric wires don't put themselves up, and when a storm knocks out the power, the crews don't get to wait for a sunny day to fix them. Jim, Lens point is that every serviceman and servicewoman in uniform serves with the understanding that their very life is pledged, at the very real risk of armed conflict, to serve their fellow man, commonly for material rewards less than that enjoyed by an Assistant Shift Manager at your local Burger King. I realize that, Hans, and I honor that pledge and that service. I apologize if anyone was offended. That was not my intent. But Len tries to make it sound like no one other than military service ever faces any danger in their job. In the past (and probably in the future) Len and I have found all sorts of reasons to disagree, but on this issue I come down four-square on his side. Comparing that pledge which Len, Brian, and several other here took, to the risks "suffered" by an electric company linemen or a construction worker is mean spirited and unbecoming. I did not mean to sound that way. Again, if it sounded that way, I apologize. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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wrote: KØHB wrote: wrote The Army found that out during the Battle of the Bulge...where every soldier, regardless of MOS, were suddenly IN "battle." Ever since the U.S. Army has made it a point to continue basic battle training long after soldiers have finished basic training. And your point is? All sorts of people in all sorts of jobs face danger every day, Len. The electric wires don't put themselves up, and when a storm knocks out the power, the crews don't get to wait for a sunny day to fix them. Jim, Lens point is that every serviceman and servicewoman in uniform serves with the understanding that their very life is pledged, at the very real risk ofarmed conflict, to serve their fellow man, commonly for material rewards lessthan that enjoyed by an Assistant Shift Manager at your local Burger King. I realize that, Hans, and I honor that pledge and that service. I apologize if anyone was offended. That was not my intent. But Len tries to make it sound like no one other than military service ever faces any danger in their job. In the past (and probably in the future) Len and I have found all sortsof reasons to disagree, but on this issue I come down four-square on his side. Comparing that pledge which Len, Brian, and several other here took, to the risks "suffered" by an electric company linemen or a construction worker is mean spirited and unbecoming. I did not mean to sound that way. Again, if it sounded that way, I apologize. Jim, if you felt an "apology" was warranted, then bravo for you. However if you get into the habit of "apologizing" everytime someone doesn't like your "tone" or how it MIGHT sound, then you just spend your whole life apologizing. Spending your life with your tail between your legs is no way to live. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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From: on Sun, Dec 4 2005 4:35 pm wrote: From: on Sat, Dec 3 2005 8:28 am wrote: From: on Dec 2, 5:33 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Nov 29 2005 3:38 am wrote: From: on Nov 27, 3:55 pm In other words, you and your neighbors wanted to stop other people from building certain types of buildings on *their own land* - because it would mess up your *view*. The only "other people" were contractor firms. Nobody owned "their own" land yet until the development was finished and inspected and approved by the city. The contractor/developers owned the land, right? They wanted to develop it in a way you didn't like, so you tried to stop them. The neighborhood organization was against the ZONING change from "R" (pure residential) to "R1" (residences plus aparments). The original plan was for "senior citizen apartments" which we neighbors did not like. Why not? You're a senior citizen ;-) Yes, a two- story house or apartment would block my VIEW that I enjoyed for over 30 years here. So you think your "right" to a VIEW is more important than people having a place to live.... Perhaps you want me to sit back and take whatever "authorities" toss at me without complaint? HELL NO! Indeed. But you want *me* to sit back and take whatever rules changes "authorities" (like the FCC) toss out without complaint or protest. HELL NO! The analogy is clear, whether you admit it or not. None of us neighbors did. None of us procodetest folks did either. We showed up at the Zoning Commission meeting and made our voices heard. Yes - you tried to stop progress and development, and to restrict what others could do on their land. You wanted the neighborhood to stay just as it was, despite the changes in American society. (more senior citizens, more people, etc.) It was for naught according to a later investigation of graft on the part of the Zoning Commission. Did anyone go to jail? Was anyone found guilty of any corruption? That parcel of land got rezoned to R1 over a decade ago and that was that. No action on development until several years later. You folks missed a chance. When the first developer went bankrupt, you could have all banded together and bought the land. Then you'd have been able to control its development. But instead of that free-market, capitalist approach, where you put your money where your view is, you wanted The Government to value your views over those of the people who owned that land. Perhaps you weren't really learning the REAL Ben Franklin or even REAL history prior to 1776. Franklin was a royalist to begin with. Almost all the revolutionaries were royalists to begin with. Took him a VERY long time to actually side with the "revolutionaries." [recorded history, by the way] WE neighbors weren't sheep nor anything like that and protested. Let's see - in his time, anyone seen as a traitor to the crown could be executed by being drawn and quartered. Which is more than a little unpleasant, particularly with family and friends made to watch. What did you neighbors risk in your protest? after spending 9 months of re-arranging the vacant land. How does anyone "rearrange" land? With a bulldozer? All manner of earth-moving equipment were used to move 220,000 cubic yards of soil (value from contractor final report, initial estimate was 250,000 cubic yards). Actual earth moving took eight months until the final moving was done for drainage, roadway, and forming the final lay of each plot. A little digging is always needed. Nine months of the OHSA OSHA back-up beepers getting us up at 7 AM each working day of the week and some Saturdays. Awwww....why not get up before 7 AM? So - you thought your "view" was more important than the newcomers' property rights. No, our neighborhood organization was against changing the ZONING from pure residential to residences-with- allowed-apartments. OK, that too. Yet those apartments never got built, right? And what's wrong with residences-with-allowed-apartments? People live in the apartments, right? They're not dangerous or a nuisance. It's not like they wanted to put a refinery or a chemical plant there. You thought that those 15 acres should not be developed, even though you didn't own them. Our neighborhood organization would accept the original "R" zoning rating of single-family residences. The Zoning Commission heard that. We objected to the "R1" zoning that allowed apartments. Why? Because they were 2 story? Because they'd house senior citizens? Because you just don't like change? You resisted changes that brought in new people and more progress. What "progress?" :-) Diversity and new forms of housing in your restricted, uptight, NIMBY neighborhood. Why can't you accept a little change? You sure preach to others about accepting change and not standing in the way of progress when it comes to amateur radio rules - which don't affect you at all because you're not going to become a ham anyway. You have no huckin idea of what the development was/is, its original shape, the shape it is in now, landscaping or anything else. You have no huckin idea of what operating Morse Code on the amateur bands was/is, their original shape, the shape they're in now, the changes that removing the code test will bring, or anything else. You don't like an "outsider: like me commenting on "your" neighborhood, but you demand that everyone accept your comments on a "neighborhood" (the ham bands) where you're a complete outsider. You are trying to toss out nasty sarcastic bad words to us that were here before them. :-) Really? The SECOND developer managed to develop a walled community that houses about 150 total, nearly all with little bitty yards separated by concrete block walls. Isn't that the walled community you bragged about some time back? Are those houses worth more or less than yours, now? Right now there's a possibility of civil action by two neighbors where the original slope to the edge of the new walled community gave way and inundated their property. We'll just have to wait for that to sort itself out. Meanwhile, you will no doubt make nasty remarks to my old neighbors for DARING to PROTEST part of THEIR land from being covered? :-) Not at all. If they suffered real damages, they deserve their day in court. You clung to the past and tried to hold back the future. I'm sorry, but you just don't grasp this NON-RADIO situation. Oh yes I do. ZONING laws, particularly in residential areas, ARE where the past is protected...for those who ALREADY live there. Why? And if so, why should radio be any different? And you failed. Yes, we did. I reported that. :-) That's the breaks in political situations. And you FAILED. Yes. But ONLY for the ZONING change. We were able to enrich the pockets of some Zoning Commission members from payola from the first contractor...which led to him going out of business. :-) The second contractor is not in a good situation either since that company is forced to settle one way or the other. NO apartments were built, only single-family residences were finally built. That is a partial victory although the Zoning rating still allows for apartments on that land. What I find most interesting is that you fought change, progress, and newcomers. And you thought your views should count for more than the wants and needs of those who owned the land. What I find "interesting" is your continued hostility and ignorance of the situation, even when explained to you. It's not ignorance or hostility. It's an alternate view of things. You don't like alternate views. I have well over a hundred images showing the earth-moving and the house building, have a small box of documents that go back 15 or so years on that parcel of land, copies of plans, etc. Our neighborhood organization didn't take anything lightly. Because you didn't want change or progress. You wanted things to always stay the way they were, regardless of the effect on others.... beep beep Ah! You're imitating an OSHA backup beeper! |
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wrote: wrote: The neighborhood organization was against the ZONING change from "R" (pure residential) to "R1" (residences plus aparments). The original plan was for "senior citizen apartments" which we neighbors did not like. Why not? You're a senior citizen ;-) He's a citzen. There's not a whole lot "senior" about him. And "forcing" Lennie to live near other's his age would be like "forcing" him to get an Amateur Radio license...It might "force" him to realize that he is not the Alpha and Omega of his realm. Yes, a two- story house or apartment would block my VIEW that I enjoyed for over 30 years here. So you think your "right" to a VIEW is more important than people having a place to live.... So...We get them to raise a privacy wall around the new buildings and let the mural artists go to work...Then Lennie can have whatever "view", however myopic, he wants. Maybe one with no antennas and no faces over 40? Steve, K4YZ |
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wrote I realize that, Hans, and I honor that pledge and that service. I apologize if anyone was offended. That was not my intent. Thank you, Jim. You're a big man for having said so. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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"K4YZ" wrote Yet Burger King managers, newspaper sellers, grocery clerks, etc, get killed every day doing their jobs, often defending those places against an armed foe. What sanctimonious drivel. I think I need a barf bag. Jim owes no one an apology here, Hans. Jim owed one, and gave one. I'd firmly shake his hand and say "thanks" in person. Not when you consider one of those who DID serve USED the deaths of men who DID die in battle well before he was even out of High School to "polish his brass" in this very same forum. I don't know WTF is "brass polishing", but suffice to say this. I'm a first-generation American. I don't have any ancestors who fought at Yorktown or Bunker Hill or Gettysburg or Tripoli or Alamo or San Juan Hill. But I consider every American patriot who ever wore the uniform of these United States, all the way back to the irregulars at Bunker Hill, to be my shipmate/comrade in arms. Likewise the sailor/soldiers/airmen/marines who serve today and in the future. If that association is "brass polishing", then so be it. The bottom line is that while we depend on the Armed Forces to keep our borders safe and the "bad guys" at bay, all those other "served in other ways" people are no less integral to creating and maintaining our way of life. If you say so, Steve. On Memorial Day, make a generous donation to the "American Bridge-Painters-Who-Fell-Off-Their-Scaffold Orphans Fund" de Hans, K0HB |
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From: K0HB on Dec 6, 9:24 am
"K4YZ" wrote Yet Burger King managers, newspaper sellers, grocery clerks, etc, get killed every day doing their jobs, often defending those places against an armed foe. What sanctimonious drivel. I think I need a barf bag. Pour the contents of the finished bag on Dudly's head. It will make him smell better. I don't know WTF is "brass polishing", but suffice to say this. I'm a first-generation American. I don't have any ancestors who fought at Yorktown or Bunker Hill or Gettysburg or Tripoli or Alamo or San Juan Hill. But I consider every American patriot who ever wore the uniform of these United States, all the way back to the irregulars at Bunker Hill, to be my shipmate/comrade in arms. Likewise the sailor/soldiers/airmen/marines who serve today and in the future. If that association is "brass polishing", then so be it. As another "first-generation American," I salute you proudly. My parents came to the USA of their own volition and became naturalized citizens of the USA. They both earned their citizenship. Dudly the [Marine] Imposter seeks to discredit my military service by reference to 23 soldiers of my battalion who died in the period of 1950 to 1963. I honor those men still, even after standing many a Retreat ceremony at sundown in their memory. I have all their names, service numbers, their home towns. Hardy Barracks, about the only military location still existant in Tokyo today was named after Corporal Elmer Hardy, in the first group of 19 who perished on 1 July 1950. Camp Tomlinson, the transmitter site NE of Tokyo, was named for another signalman who perished that same day...that name remained in use by the USAF when they had command of the facilities from 1963 until 1978. Now, I have to admit that I have an advantage in knowing the "geneaology" of my military unit. I had one. Not only that, I know when it was formed (1945), where it was when I was in it, where it was and what it was named afterward, even to what became of it, enduring today as the 78th Signal Battalion at Camp Zama, Japan, and a part of USARPAC. The callsign of USARPAC Hq today is ADA, the same as the station that my battalion ran in the 1950s in Tokyo. Worse yet, I've been in contact with individuals who served in my battalion even including a civilian who worked for the Army at the transmitter site. One of those individuals is Gene Rosenbaum, N2JTV, who was there at the same time I was. Dudly hasn't mentioned a single individual in any of his claimed "outfits", made available ANY photo or snapshot of himself taken during his alleged 18-year career, nor made available to anyone a single one of his claimed "many" DD-214s, has made MANY actual errors of official and un- official names and procedures used by the Marines, has verified NOTHING of his heroic-warrior military service, all in seven years of unremitting vile insults at anyone daring to challenge his opinion on anything. If you say so, Steve. On Memorial Day, make a generous donation to the "American Bridge-Painters-Who-Fell-Off-Their-Scaffold Orphans Fund" By all means, Dudly, STAY AWAY from any REAL Memorial group on Memorial Day or Veterans Day...if you wish to preserve your wretched little life of lies and deception and dishonor of the United States Marine Corps. RA 16 408 336 |
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wrote Dudly hasn't mentioned a single individual in any of his claimed "outfits", made available ANY photo or snapshot of himself taken during his alleged 18-year career, nor made available to anyone a single one of his claimed "many" DD-214s, has made MANY actual errors of official and un- official names and procedures used by the Marines, has verified NOTHING of his heroic-warrior military service, all in seven years of unremitting vile insults at anyone daring to challenge his opinion on anything. Len, I'm not going to drawn into you and Franks "Steve wasn't a Marine" game. With the exception of you naming one or two comrades and Frank posting a URL of a scan of a DD214, I don't know of a single veteran here who has named "a single individual", made available any photo, or verified in any way their military service. Applying the same tests that you list above about Steve, means that Dan, Brian, I, Jeff, and any other veterans here that I've not named, are also imposters? de Hans, K0HB |
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From: K0HB on Dec 6, 7:10 pm
wrote Dudly hasn't mentioned a single individual in any of his claimed "outfits", made available ANY photo or snapshot of himself taken during his alleged 18-year career, nor made available to anyone a single one of his claimed "many" DD-214s, has made MANY actual errors of official and un- official names and procedures used by the Marines, has verified NOTHING of his heroic-warrior military service, all in seven years of unremitting vile insults at anyone daring to challenge his opinion on anything. I'm not going to drawn into you and Franks "Steve wasn't a Marine" game. You are ALREADY IN IT, like it or no. It is NOT a "game." Such an impersonation of being military is punishable and heaps disgrace on the service affected. With the exception of you naming one or two comrades and Frank posting a URL of a scan of a DD214, I don't know of a single veteran here who has named "a single individual", made available any photo, or verified in any way their military service. 1. There are not many veterans of the military in HERE. 2. There is a plethora of examples of many, many evidenciaries available on the many, many websites of military veterans all over the web. 3. "By their words ye shall know them" is a famous phrase and that applies to ANYONE in here. We can all recognize when some wannabe sounds suspicious if not being an outright bull****ting liar. 4. Dudly is a class-A sumbitch with oak leaf clusters and has been one for seven years in here. He has document NONE visible to any of us HERE. Applying the same tests that you list above about Steve, means that Dan, Brian, I, Jeff, and any other veterans here that I've not named, are also imposters? Sorry, super chief, I'm not falling for that circular "touring" test. Logic that ain't, queer it is. A "colossus" of ill logic. * Dudly says he is NOT going to comply with anything. His con-man feelings are hurt, the poor boy. Boo-hoo. You want a 10 MB PDF all about the battalion and my station assignment in Japan while I was in the service? I've given it in here often enough. It is a good photo essay. Got pictures of me and buddies in there as well. You want to see an article in the Pacific Stars & Stripes that was an interview of me by Rick Chernitzer about Hardy Barracks? I've given that in here as well. Some of the 600+ photos I took while over there were published in the Stars & Stripes. I've digitized a number of documents I have about my military and civlian service. In trying to send out some of them, all I get is waaa-waaa static from the Extras who "refuse to look at it." One sissy bitched that one had "male nudity" in it! [it is impossible to tell gender from a "moon shot" at a distance...the gender was assumed, sir, just ASSumed] I can send any of them as attachments to private e-mail or I can ask someone else to put them on their larger website (an imposition on them which requires I return a favor and so is a fall-back position) Tsk, tsk, I've gotten a basket full of "complaints" from Dud about my work RESUME being a "curiculum vitae"...which it wasn't. I've given FOUR names in this newsgroup who can vouch for what I've said. Three of those are Amateur Extra class amateur radio licensees, the fourth is a retired DoD civilian engineer. Now it would be neat, tidy, and convenient if one could just "call the VA" and the VA will verify something on anyone's personnel record in the military? NOT SO. If one is not an authorized human resources worker (personnel office), authorized government agency, or family member of the individual, the information returned is ZERO. Nil. Nada. Nyet. The VA will contact NARA to get that but the requestor must furnish their SS number as well as the SS number of the query individual AND a service number if that existed for that individual. Dudly hopped up and down on his "reference" of "just call the VA!" Now, what does that have to do with amateur radio? Plenty when it comes to be TRUTHFUL in here. Anyone LYING on the military service is bound to LIE about their civilian life as well. I've had to take Dud LYING about having a "witness" to my "applying for a job at the former NADC and being rejected," the only true part being that I was at NADC as a field engineer for RCA Corporation in flight testing a collision avoidance system. LYING about anything can be directly related to LYING about anything else. Getting into finer detail, both Frank Gilliland and I are NOT licensed in the U.S. amateur radio service...yet we get all this static from the regulars in here who are Extras. Of course the regulars aren't that many but one spends an inordinate amount of time on the 'net when he could be playing with his radios. There's a lesson in that, perhaps. Mainly that unlicensed (as amateurs) should shut up and not say anything against these mighty extra super-pooper hams? Yes, most definitely that's the appearance. We "aren't involved" [with amateur radio] therefore we are to keep silent. Now, if that is the attitude of you supreme beings in charge of it all, howinhell do you think that looks to anyone who might be interested in getting a license? Negative PR, super chief. Negative, negative. Let's all applaud the former darling of the PCTA in here, Val Germman...still a Tech, MAYBE working on his code (but unlikely after three years). Clap clap. [clap trap] PCTA couldn't praise Val enough, PCTA couldn't berate the others that didn't like morse enough. Connections. Not just a PBS TV series with James Burke. No need to invent artifical "connections" to "tests" as you tried to do. Dudly is guilty until proven innocent. He got himself into that, he can get itself out of it...but it's too late. After seven years of crudibility, there's no way in hell he can recoup any credibility now. Except maybe gratuitous "praise" from Amateur Extras who will laud him to the skies...he IS a "brother" ham, isn't he? "Representative" of "what is good" in amateur radio? With utmost regards and a hearty "good luck now," * if you don't understand that, just park your Bletchley and think about that enigma. |
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wrote in t: wrote Dudly hasn't mentioned a single individual in any of his claimed "outfits", made available ANY photo or snapshot of himself taken during his alleged 18-year career, nor made available to anyone a single one of his claimed "many" DD-214s, has made MANY actual errors of official and un- official names and procedures used by the Marines, has verified NOTHING of his heroic-warrior military service, all in seven years of unremitting vile insults at anyone daring to challenge his opinion on anything. Len, I'm not going to drawn into you and Franks "Steve wasn't a Marine" game. Nobody asked you. You rubbed your own nose in it, Hans. With the exception of you naming one or two comrades and Frank posting a URL of a scan of a DD214, I don't know of a single veteran here who has named "a single individual", made available any photo, or verified in any way their military service. Since my discharge I've met many other Marines and I've met many fakers. Casual discussion of their MOS, or even of their service as a Marine, is usually enough for me to tell if someone is either telling the truth or a Dud. Steve is a Dud. Applying the same tests that you list above about Steve, means that Dan, Brian, I, Jeff, and any other veterans here that I've not named, are also imposters? Do any of you claim to have been a Marine? If not, I couldn't care less. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Frank Gilliland wrote: On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 03:10:11 GMT, "KØHB" wrote in t: wrote Dudly hasn't mentioned a single individual in any of his claimed "outfits", made available ANY photo or snapshot of himself taken during his alleged 18-year career, nor made available to anyone a single one of his claimed "many" DD-214s, has made MANY actual errors of official and un- official names and procedures used by the Marines, has verified NOTHING of his heroic-warrior military service, all in seven years of unremitting vile insults at anyone daring to challenge his opinion on anything. Nobody asked you. You rubbed your own nose in it, Hans. Other than you and Lennie creating lies in order to substantiate your stories, Frnakie, there's nothing to "rub" a nose in. With the exception of you naming one or two comrades and Frank posting aURL of a scan of a DD214, I don't know of a single veteran here who has named "a single individual", made available any photo, or verified in any way their military service. Since my discharge I've met many other Marines and I've met many fakers. Casual discussion of their MOS, or even of their service as a Marine, is usually enough for me to tell if someone is either telling the truth or a Dud. Do you tell them that you couldn't keep your nose clean for ONE enlistment, Frankie? Or do you just keep that quiet so you can feel like you're "one of the boys"...?!?! Steve is a Dud. Frankie is a liar. Applying the same tests that you list above about Steve, means that Dan, Brian, I, Jeff, and any other veterans here that I've not named, are also imposters? Do any of you claim to have been a Marine? If not, I couldn't care less. You didn't answer his question, Jail Bird. Steve, K4YZ |
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"K4YZ" wrote However if you get into the habit of "apologizing" everytime someone doesn't like your "tone" or how it MIGHT sound, then you just spend your whole life apologizing. Hey Steve, Have you put together a holiday basket to take down to the "Home for Disabled Burger King Night Managers" who were injured defending "against an armed foe"? de Hans, K0HB |
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.com: snip blah, blah, blah. Steve "Yellow Dog" Robeson, K4YZ Hey Dud -- did I forget to mention that I'm licensed as an Extra? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Frank Gilliland wrote: On 7 Dec 2005 06:15:20 -0800, wrote in .com: Hey Dud -- did I forget to mention that I'm licensed as an Extra? OK. How does that change the fact that you were a twice disgraced, lying, court-martialed, deceitful ex-Marine, Frankie? Steve, K4YZ |
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On 7 Dec 2005 09:13:30 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
. com: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 7 Dec 2005 06:15:20 -0800, wrote in .com: Hey Dud -- did I forget to mention that I'm licensed as an Extra? OK. So you're taking my word that I'm a ham? How unlike you, Dud. How does that change the fact that you were a twice disgraced, lying, court-martialed, deceitful ex-Marine, Frankie? Despite the derogative adjectives, the fact remains that I -was- a Marine and you weren't. Steve "Yellow Dog" Robeson, K4YZ You never did explain why your first marriage failed. Did she bail because of the debts you were ringing up on all those credit cards? Or did she just get tired of competing with your mommy for attention? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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From: Frank Gilliland on Dec 7, 2:04 pm
On 7 Dec 2005 09:13:30 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in Frank Gilliland wrote: On 7 Dec 2005 06:15:20 -0800, wrote in Hey Dud -- did I forget to mention that I'm licensed as an Extra? OK. So you're taking my word that I'm a ham? How unlike you, Dud. Heeheeheeheeheeheehee...Dud got trapped again! The only licensed radio amateur with surname Gilliland in Washington state is C. Frank Gilliland, N7VCF, Issaquah (in King County). A Tech class, not Extra. Few in the east know the northwest, but King County takes in Seattle (in WEST Washington) and Issaquah is a suburb of Seattle. Spokane, Washington, is in the EASTERN part, well away from Puget Sound and Seattle. It's almost too easy to entrap Dudly...! :-) How does that change the fact that you were a twice disgraced, lying, court-martialed, deceitful ex-Marine, Frankie? Despite the derogative adjectives, the fact remains that I -was- a Marine and you weren't. ...except in Dudly's imagination...where he is a bosom buddy of Chesty. :-) You never did explain why your first marriage failed. Did she bail because of the debts you were ringing up on all those credit cards? Or did she just get tired of competing with your mommy for attention? We will never know the REAL story from Dudly. :-) Maybe "Iitoi," legend of the Tohono O'odham people, can get the Great Spirit to explain it to us? :-) Dudly is farther and farther into the Maze of that legend and hasn't been able to get out yet. |
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: KØHB wrote: wrote The Army found that out during the Battle of the Bulge...where every soldier, regardless of MOS, were suddenly IN "battle." Ever since the U.S. Army has made it a point to continue basic battle training long after soldiers have finished basic training. And your point is? All sorts of people in all sorts of jobs face danger every day, Len. The electric wires don't put themselves up, and when a storm knocks out the power, the crews don't get to wait for a sunny day to fix them. Jim, Lens point is that every serviceman and servicewoman in uniform serves with the understanding that their very life is pledged, at the very real risk of armed conflict, to serve their fellow man, commonly for material rewards less than that enjoyed by an Assistant Shift Manager at your local Burger King. I realize that, Hans, and I honor that pledge and that service. I apologize if anyone was offended. That was not my intent. But Len tries to make it sound like no one other than military service ever faces any danger in their job. In the past (and probably in the future) Len and I have found all sorts of reasons to disagree, but on this issue I come down four-square on hisside. Comparing that pledge which Len, Brian, and several other here took, to the risks "suffered" by an electric company linemen or a construction worker is mean spirited and unbecoming. I did not mean to sound that way. Again, if it sounded that way, I apologize. Jim, if you felt an "apology" was warranted, then bravo for you. No bravos needed, Steve. The point I was making is that military service people aren't the only ones with potentially dangerous jobs, nor a commitment to do what is necessary at great risk to themselves. It was not meant in any way to denigrate, deny or minimize the commitment and sacrifices made by our military - past, present and future. But what I was trying to say could have been written a *lot* better than I wrote it. However if you get into the habit of "apologizing" everytime someone doesn't like your "tone" or how it MIGHT sound, then you just spend your whole life apologizing. In my experience, Hans/K0HB does not offend easily, nor ask for apologies lightly. That he was offended by what I wrote proved to me that my post wasn't very well written, since my goal was *not* to offend him! Spending your life with your tail between your legs is no way to live. I don't consider anything I've written here to be "my tail between my legs". Just the opposite. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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From: Frank Gilliland on Dec 7, 2:04 pm
On 7 Dec 2005 09:13:30 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in Frank Gilliland wrote: On 7 Dec 2005 06:15:20 -0800, wrote in Hey Dud -- did I forget to mention that I'm licensed as an Extra? OK. So you're taking my word that I'm a ham? How unlike you, Dud. Heeheeheeheeheeheehee...Dud got trapped again! The only licensed radio amateur with surname Gilliland in Washington state is C. Frank Gilliland, N7VCF, Issaquah (in King County). A Tech class, not Extra. Few in the east know the northwest, but King County takes in Seattle (in WEST Washington) and Issaquah is a suburb of Seattle. Spokane, Washington, is in the EASTERN part, well away from Puget Sound and Seattle. It's almost too easy to entrap Dudly...! :-) How does that change the fact that you were a twice disgraced, lying, court-martialed, deceitful ex-Marine, Frankie? Despite the derogative adjectives, the fact remains that I -was- a Marine and you weren't. ...except in Dudly's imagination...where he is a bosom buddy of Chesty. :-) You never did explain why your first marriage failed. Did she bail because of the debts you were ringing up on all those credit cards? Or did she just get tired of competing with your mommy for attention? We will never know the REAL story from Dudly. :-) Maybe "Iitoi," legend of the Tohono O'odham people, can get the Great Spirit to explain it to us? :-) Dudly is farther and farther into the Maze of that legend and hasn't been able to get out yet. |
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On 7 Dec 2005 18:12:36 -0800, wrote in
.com: From: Frank Gilliland on Dec 7, 2:04 pm On 7 Dec 2005 09:13:30 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in Frank Gilliland wrote: On 7 Dec 2005 06:15:20 -0800, wrote in Hey Dud -- did I forget to mention that I'm licensed as an Extra? OK. So you're taking my word that I'm a ham? How unlike you, Dud. Heeheeheeheeheeheehee...Dud got trapped again! The only licensed radio amateur with surname Gilliland in Washington state is C. Frank Gilliland, N7VCF, Issaquah (in King County). A Tech class, not Extra. Few in the east know the northwest, but King County takes in Seattle (in WEST Washington) and Issaquah is a suburb of Seattle. Spokane, Washington, is in the EASTERN part, well away from Puget Sound and Seattle. WELL away from the warm and soggy side of the state. We be friggin cold here lately -- dropped to -4 last night. It ain't Minnesota but it's cold enough for me. But we did make national news today: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...-SearchStories It's almost too easy to entrap Dudly...! :-) Yeah.... how do you keep a Dudly in suspense? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On 7 Dec 2005 07:30:12 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:
wrote: From: K0HB on Dec 6, 7:10 pm It is NOT a "game." Such an impersonation of being military is punishable and heaps disgrace on the service affected. And you're more than welcome to file a "complaint" with the USMC and see what results from it, Lennie... gee when I say something you call me paranoid (not sure sure why) not you are resoting to it In the mean time, we'll just go over some of those "..threat of the Bear" and "...incomming artillery" stories of YOURS... Steve, K4YZ everyone should be advised that The following person has been advocating the abuse of elders he may also be making flase reports of abusing other in order to attak and cow his foes he also shows signs of being dangerously unstable STEVEN J ROBESON 151 12TH AVE NW WINCHESTER TN 37398 931-967-6282 _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On 7 Dec 2005 09:13:30 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 7 Dec 2005 06:15:20 -0800, wrote in .com: Hey Dud -- did I forget to mention that I'm licensed as an Extra? OK. How does that change the fact that you were a twice disgraced, lying, court-martialed, deceitful ex-Marine, Frankie? anything but name calling stevie we already know you views on the subject Steve, K4YZ everyone should be advised that The following person has been advocating the abuse of elders he may also be making flase reports of abusing other in order to attak and cow his foes he also shows signs of being dangerously unstable STEVEN J ROBESON 151 12TH AVE NW WINCHESTER TN 37398 931-967-6282 _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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wrote: wrote: The neighborhood organization was against the ZONING change from "R" (pure residential) to "R1" (residences plus aparments). The original plan was for "senior citizen apartments" which we neighbors did not like. Why not? You're a senior citizen ;-) He's a citzen. There's not a whole lot "senior" about him. No, Steve, Len is definitely a senior citizen. He's way past retirement age. And "forcing" Lennie to live near other's his age would be like "forcing" him to get an Amateur Radio license...It might "force" him to realize that he is not the Alpha and Omega of his realm. Nobody's "forcing" Len to do any of those things. He's free to move if he doesn't like how the neighborhood has changed. My point about the whole zoning thing is *not* that Len or his neighbors did anything "wrong". The point is that they resisted a change that others wanted, even though the people who wanted it told them it was "progress" and would be a good thing for the future. Yet Len heaps abuse on those who resist a change in the Amateur Radio Service rules, even though the people who want the change say it is "progress" and will be a good thing for the future. As for the claim that those of us with licenses aren't affected by those changes in any significant way, note that those who already owned houses in Sun City aren't really affected by the zoning change of R to R1 in any really significant way. Of course Len and his neighbors could have bought the land from the failed developer and thus protected themselves from future development. Let's see...if the houses cost a half million, the land for each house might be worth a hundred thousand. That's only 4.4 million for 44 houses. Say 5 million with all the costs. Divided among how many neighbors? The rest is easy: 1) The neighbors pitch in and buy the land, to be held by a corporation formed for the purpose. 2) Developers are invited to submit proposals for development. 3) When a developer comes up with a proposal that meets all the neighbors' requirements, that developer is allowed to proceed, subject to a tight contract that only turns over title to the land when all conditions are met. 4) Profit! Yes, a two- story house or apartment would block my VIEW that I enjoyed for over 30 years here. So you think your "right" to a VIEW is more important than people having a place to live.... So...We get them to raise a privacy wall around the new buildings and let the mural artists go to work...Then Lennie can have whatever "view", however myopic, he wants. Maybe one with no antennas and no faces over 40? No mirrors? |
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: wrote: My point about the whole zoning thing is *not* that Len or his neighbors did anything "wrong". The point is that they resisted a change that others wanted, even though the people who wanted it told them it was "progress" and would be a good thing for the future. Jimmie, you haven't gotten ONE THING right in this very NON-RADIO subject! Here's the correct chronology: 1. The residential area where I live was zoned ENTIRELY "R" standing for single-family residences prior to 1960 when the first development was started. A 15-acre parcel had been used for freeway base fill from the decomposed granite common in these Verdugo Hills; that parcel was also zoned "R." 2. At the time I purchased my house in 1963, the residential area was half completed up to the next higher cross-street, that being completed in 1962. The 15-acre parcel remained vacant, undeveloped. 3. By 1973 the remainder of the residential area was fully developed, all the way to the top, all the way along Glenoaks Blvd save for one small open area to the still-undeveloped 15-acre parcel. 4. About 1988, a contractor-developer purchased the 15-acre parcel and tried various schemes to rearrange this parcel which had a maximum elevation difference of about 350 feet. Well before that year the entire area was fully developed and inhabited, the only easement being the Lutheran church now named "All Saints" at the intersection of Lanark and Glenoaks. 5. By 1989 the only possible way this first developer could make any profit at all was to build apartments. Zoning did not permit apartments so the Zoning Commission was told the developer he would have to sell the idea to the residents surrounding that parcel. The first developer tried, using community meetings at the church. The neighborhood association opposed that in no uncertain terms. 6. In 1990 the matter was brought up for public discussion at a Zoning Commission open meeting to change the Zoning from "R" to "R1," the latter designation meaning residential but multi-family (apartment) structures. The developer presented his case. The neighborhood association presented theirs, pointing out that ALL plots surrounding this parcel were "R." The Zoning Board made some noises saying that the planned "senior citizen apartments" would be "beneficial to the community" (none of the Board members lived within 10 miles of this area and knew dink about it first-hand). 7. In the next ten years the first developer became a figure in bribery (guess who of) and he managed to sell it to a second development firm. NO "senior apartments" had been built but the first developer had been forced to annually clear the 15 acre parcel of dry brush per fire code. The second developer got a much better civil engineer and planned for a walled community of 44 two-story homes (upscale) with full drainage and streets and utilities underground. That plan was shown to the neighborhood association in late 2000 but got no admiration. The association could do nothing since that did not interfere with the ORIGINAL "R" zoning. 8. Earth moving began in early 2001 and continued for 9 months until the 44 plots could begin building. The amount of earth moved was somewhere between 220 and 250 thousand cubic yards. The average size of the plots was a quarter acre...most are smaller, only the "corner" lots being as large as a third acre. Sell price began at $500 thousand in 2001, highest being $800 thou. All were sold before building was completed. Yet Len heaps abuse on those who resist a change in the Amateur Radio Service rules, even though the people who want the change say it is "progress" and will be a good thing for the future. Poor baby, got "abuse" dumped on you? Jimmie, you ignorant little flyweight arguer, note the above. Were there ever anything but RESIDENCES involved? No. At the time the first developer went for the zoning change, 400 acres of residences were ALREADY surrounding that empty parcel. Except for the church (off to one corner), COMPLETELY surrounding that unused for over 28 years parcel. What "progress" would 44 homes, all single-family units, have brought to an area ALREADY full of single-family residences filling 400 acres? Those much-vaunted "senior citizen apartments" were never built. The payola to convince the Zoning Commission members only enriched their pockets. The first developer went out of business. As for the claim that those of us with licenses aren't affected by those changes in any significant way, note that those who already owned houses in Sun City aren't really affected by the zoning change of R to R1 in any really significant way. Dumb****, I don't live in "Sun City, Arizona." Where I live is NOT some "retirement community." Home owner ages range from 30s (couple across the street from me) to 80s (uphill neighbor) to 50s (two houses below) to 40s (corner house two houses above me). Of course Len and his neighbors could have bought the land from the failed developer and thus protected themselves from future development. Bull****, ignorant slut. YOU could have gotten the story CORRECT instead of making up a poor verbal assassination attempt. You could have at least gotten the suburb NAME correct. My byline with full surface mail address has been in Ham Radio magazine enough times...as well as in the FCC ECFS. Can't you get ANYTHING right?!? There are NO restrictions on antenna structures in my neighborhood other than FAA regulations...it is a mile and a half from the closest part of BUR (Bob Hope Airport in Burbank). Two blocks uphill from me lives an amateur with an HF beam and some wire antennas...plus at least three other houses with CB verticals. Many more satellite broadcast antennas here than ham or CB even though we have both analog and digital TV cable distribution. Jimmie boy, you TALK a bit too big for not knowing a damn thing about the subject. I must admit it would have been fun to see you at an association meeting or Zoning Commission meeting talking FOR changing residence zoning from "R" to "R1" "in the name of PROGRESS!!!" I'll bet you would have run, cowering in fear of the irate association members, unable to stand up to grown ups who were living there FIRST! BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try, oh please TRY to understand that this newsgroup is about amateur radio policy, NOT residencial zoning laws. |
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wrote Kinda like people with no amateur radio license and little or no Morse Code experience trying to impose their will on those of us who *are* licensed and *do* use Morse Code. I haven't seen anyone, licensed or not, propose a change in the regulations that would affect my use of Morse code. Beep beep de Hans, K0HB |
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"KØHB" wrote in message k.net... wrote Kinda like people with no amateur radio license and little or no Morse Code experience trying to impose their will on those of us who *are* licensed and *do* use Morse Code. I haven't seen anyone, licensed or not, propose a change in the regulations that would affect my use of Morse code. Beep beep de Hans, K0HB I have seen people proposing going entirely to voluntary band plans for HF instead of regulated splits ala Europe and thus making all modes legal throughout the entire band. That could impact your use of Morse during the larger voice contests. With the number of hams in this country that could be a mess. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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"Dee Flint" wrote I have seen people proposing going entirely to voluntary band plans for HF instead of regulated splits ala Europe and thus making all modes legal throughout the entire band. I'm an enthusiastic user of CW, but I fully support such a plan. Let "market forces" and usage-centric gentlemens agreements determine band usage. Morse users currently can use that mode on literally all the amateur-allocated frequencies with the exception of the five channels on 5Mhz. On a "larger" CW contest weekend they could (perfectly legally) use any frequency (that was not occupied) for CW contesting. Why should CW be alone in such a generous allocation? 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: KØHB wrote: wrote The Army found that out during the Battle of the Bulge...where every soldier, regardless of MOS, were suddenly IN "battle." Ever since the U.S. Army has made it a point to continue basic battle training long after soldiers have finished basic training. And your point is? All sorts of people in all sorts of jobs face danger every day, Len. The electric wires don't put themselves up, and when a storm knocks out the power, the crews don't get to wait for a sunny day to fix them. Jim, is this what you meant when you said that you "served in other ways?" Jim, Lens point is that every serviceman and servicewoman in uniform serves with the understanding that their very life is pledged, at the very real risk of armed conflict, to serve their fellow man, commonly for material rewards less than that enjoyed by an Assistant Shift Manager at your local Burger King. I realize that, Hans, and I honor that pledge and that service. I apologize if anyone was offended. That was not my intent. But Len tries to make it sound like no one other than military service ever faces any danger in their job. Jim, service men and women are instruments of National Policy. They face danger defending the Constitution of the United States. And many if not most wish that their civilian leaders would take the Constitution a little more seriously. So when the going gets rough, are they free to quit and walk away? A lineman can. A policeman can. A fireman can. When their spouses and children ask when are they going to come home, and there is no answer? What is wrong with you to suggest that it's even remotely the same? In the past (and probably in the future) Len and I have found all sorts of reasons to disagree, but on this issue I come down four-square on hisside. Comparing that pledge which Len, Brian, and several other here took, to the risks "suffered" by an electric company linemen or a construction worker is mean spirited and unbecoming. I did not mean to sound that way. Again, if it sounded that way, I apologize. Jim, if you felt an "apology" was warranted, then bravo for you. However if you get into the habit of "apologizing" everytime someone doesn't like your "tone" or how it MIGHT sound, then you just spend your whole life apologizing. Spending your life with your tail between your legs is no way to live. Clancy inspired bravado is no way, either. 73 Steve, K4YZ Now there's someone to take advice from! Jim, I'm sorry that you don't "get it." You don't get it because you "served in other ways." Like your constant harping on Len about professional radio not being the moral equivalent of amateur radio, your "serving in other ways" isn't even remotely equivalent to military service, even if you wished it were so. As it stands, you wouldn't know what to wish for even if that wish were granted. |
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KØHB wrote: wrote Kinda like people with no amateur radio license and little or no Morse Code experience trying to impose their will on those of us who *are* licensed and *do* use Morse Code. I haven't seen anyone, licensed or not, propose a change in the regulations that would affect my use of Morse code. Beep beep de Hans, K0HB Hans, I think that is 100% correct. I think that there's a wee little bit of spectrum at 220MHz where you can't use Morris Code. It's a legal mode everywhere else. |
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Dee Flint wrote: "KØHB" wrote in message k.net... wrote Kinda like people with no amateur radio license and little or no Morse Code experience trying to impose their will on those of us who *are* licensed and *do* use Morse Code. I haven't seen anyone, licensed or not, propose a change in the regulations that would affect my use of Morse code. Beep beep de Hans, K0HB I have seen people proposing going entirely to voluntary band plans for HF instead of regulated splits ala Europe and thus making all modes legal throughout the entire band. That could impact your use of Morse during the larger voice contests. Couldn't possibly. CW always gets through. With the number of hams in this country that could be a mess. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Thus one of the original reasons to test for Morse. It limits the number of people holding a license. |
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