wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

What I think happened is this: Len discovered that unlike "book
learning",
he didn't pick up on the Morse Code in a few quick lessons. For him it
took some 'hard work' to learn, and that conflicted with his view of
himself
as a 'professional in radio-electronics'. Not only that, but learning
Morse
Code would not help Len 'PROFESSIONALLY' - there was no money
reward waiting. So he gave up.

I agree.

Basically, it comes down to the fact that Len thinks he's too good to
have to learn Morse Code - or anything else - for an amateur radio
license.

I still believe that Lennie had some "run-in" with an Amateur at
some point. No doubt Lennie tried to bluff the other Amatuer into
"signing off" on a Conditional or other such thing since he already
professed to "know it all".

His one and only attempt to get a license by deceit rebuffed, he's
set upon a mission to undermine Amateur Radio at any and all
opportunities. To hell with the mere mortals, HE was a PROFESSIONAL!

Steve, K4YZ

From: K4YZ on Nov 17, 7:15 pm

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:


Basically, it comes down to the fact that Len thinks he's too good to
have to learn Morse Code - or anything else - for an amateur radio
license.

[inaccurate heilian imagination...]


I still believe that Lennie had some "run-in" with an Amateur at
some point. No doubt Lennie tried to bluff the other Amatuer into
"signing off" on a Conditional or other such thing since he already
professed to "know it all".

Poor iggorant little Dudly. Sorry to bust your big balloon,
but, other than doing some code practice in the early 1960s,
I HAVEN'T BOTHERED to get any AMATEUR radio license. :-)

If you wish to make a mountain out of a molehill, you can
get some staffer at Newington to look into my correspondence
with the late Vic Clark, then President of ARRL. That was
in the late 1970s to 1980. That MIGHT be called a "run-in"
but I'd say it was just the ultra-superior, don't bother me
attitude of the League. It concerned a new movement to
eliminate the morse code test for amateur radio. All those
in-power 20 WPM Extras would have none of that!

That movement would grow slowly until the FCC got convinced
(against League wishes) that a no-code-test Technician class
license got created. [see FCC 90-53 copy at www.nocode.org]

"Amateur," not 'Amatuer." :-)

His one and only attempt to get a license by deceit rebuffed, he's
set upon a mission to undermine Amateur Radio at any and all
opportunities. To hell with the mere mortals, HE was a PROFESSIONAL!

Poor baby, mad as hell and can't take it anymore? :-)

You think elimination of the code test is "undermining"
amateur radio? I don't think so. Roughly half the U.S.
amateur radio community doesn't think so (if the 0.6% of
all licensees is a good sampling). Many Amateur Extras
of long experience have accepted complete removal of code
testing according to WT Docket 05-235 comments.

"Professional?" Of course. I expect to get paid for my
work. If that is some "ethical crime" then ALL the unions
and guilds and trade organizations are "guilty!" :-)

I've been a professional (getting paid for services done)
since 1948...and that is on record at the IRS. "I EARNED
my money the old-fashioned way...I WORKED for it!"]

"Deceit?" Not with/to the government of the United States.
Nope. Not even to the IRS. Been audited twice, no
problems, just misunderstanding situations...one on my
part, other on the IRS' part, both on professional
deductions. That was settled amicably and all satisfied.

Have I "deceived" any VE or any FCC Field Office? NO.
I kept my First Phone renewed, a simple mail-in process,
until and past the R&O changed all Commercial Radio-
telephone operator licenses to the single General Radio-
telephone Operator License (GROL). I applied for, and
got, a Private Land Mobile Radio Service license for
business purposes (a small partnership) and provided all
the correct follow-on documentation for that until the
business was dissolved (more paperwork). I applied for and
got a CB radio license back when licenses were required,
kept those renewed until another R&O removed any need for
licensing. I did not need a Restricted 3rd Class Radio-
telephone license (no test for those) to operate any
commercial radio transmitters since my 1st Phone covered
those, both for business purposes and as a student pilot
back in the early 1960s. When I've operated commercial
equipment, as once for RCA Corporation using borrowed
NBC UHF radios, the appropriate signatures of officials
were duly recorded on my current First Phone license.
When I did some part-time work in AM and FM broadcasting,
the back of the current First Phone was duly recorded
by the Chief Engineer.

I have NEVER taken any amateur radio license test with
any FCC Field Office or VEC organization...nor have I
tried to "deceive" anything in saying my experience is a
substitute for testing. I am simply advocating an end
to morse code testing for an amateur radio license
examination. That YOU don't like that is not of my
concern. That YOU lie and attempt to accuse me of
lying IS of my concern. I try to put an end to it by
showing your lies but all you do is generate more lies
of your own.

Have I taken ANY amateur radio license tests? Only
the "practice variety," such as the practice test on
www.qrz.com and a private, but widely circulated test
set. Did I pass them? YES. Each element, each time.
Were those "aced?" No. Scores were not exceptional
but they were above the minimum level needed to pass.
Questions on regulations were a weakness. Where the
wrong answers were pointed out, I went back to the
regulations to get them right in my mind. Have I
resumed any "code practice?" No. I have three
computer programs on that in my PC archives but have
only used them long enough to see that they run.

Do I need any fancy title to enhance my "braq
quotionent?" No. I am secure in what I can do and
what I can't do, have had a long time of operating
radio transmitters legally (half century) on the EM
spectrum from LF on through to 25 GHz. Amateur
licensees can't go where I've been in the EM spectrum
without holding a Commercial radio license or knowing
the applicable regulations for that service where
such transmission is permitted (such as private boat
radios) without any license.

Is a federally-supervised or VEC-supervised or
COLEM-supervised morse code test "necessary" to
"round out my experience." No. I do not consider
morse code telegraphy to be useful for anything but
hobby radio. I do not have the fantasies of
greatness in radio through morsemanship, therefore
the morsemanship is of no use to me in any way.
Let those who enjoy the mode enjoy it...and NOT
force newcomers to ANY radio service to learn it
because of federal regulations requiring it.

If YOUR fantasy of greatness is disturbed by the
thoughts expressed above, that is YOUR problem to
deal with, not mine. If you need your TS card
punched, go to your minister, rabbi, chaplain, or
witch doctor and have THEM punch it.

Fork yourself, Dudly. You're done.

wrote:
From: K4YZ on Nov 17, 7:15 pm

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:


Basically, it comes down to the fact that Len thinks he's too good to
have to learn Morse Code - or anything else - for an amateur radio
license.

[inaccurate heilian imagination...]

Inaccurate is quite right. I didn't right the paragraph above your
one-liner, Windy.


I still believe that Lennie had some "run-in" with an Amateur at
some point. No doubt Lennie tried to bluff the other Amatuer into
"signing off" on a Conditional or other such thing since he already
professed to "know it all".

Poor iggorant little Dudly. Sorry to bust your big balloon,
but, other than doing some code practice in the early 1960s,
I HAVEN'T BOTHERED to get any AMATEUR radio license. :-)

There you go. You can't be bothered. So what's with the amateur radio
fetish, Len? Were you beaten with a Lightning Bug as a child?

If you wish to make a mountain out of a molehill, you can
get some staffer at Newington to look into my correspondence
with the late Vic Clark, then President of ARRL.

I'm sure it is all neatly archived. They just need to grab the "Leonard
H. Anderson" accordian folder.

That was
in the late 1970s to 1980. That MIGHT be called a "run-in"
but I'd say it was just the ultra-superior, don't bother me
attitude of the League.

....or they might have put your correspondence in the bug file.

It concerned a new movement to
eliminate the morse code test for amateur radio. All those
in-power 20 WPM Extras would have none of that!

So your ideas were dismissed and you've never gotten over it. I knew
Vic Clark. He was a fine person.

That movement would grow slowly until the FCC got convinced
(against League wishes) that a no-code-test Technician class
license got created. [see FCC 90-53 copy at www.nocode.org]

It isn't exactly a civil rights movement, is it, Len? Did you guys
stage a big march on Newington?

"Amateur," not 'Amatuer." :-)

His one and only attempt to get a license by deceit rebuffed, he's
set upon a mission to undermine Amateur Radio at any and all
opportunities. To hell with the mere mortals, HE was a PROFESSIONAL!

Poor baby, mad as hell and can't take it anymore? :-)

That seems to sum up your attitude, poor baby.

You think elimination of the code test is "undermining"
amateur radio? I don't think so.

I think so and I'm *in* amateur radio.

Roughly half the U.S.
amateur radio community doesn't think so (if the 0.6% of
all licensees is a good sampling).

Roughly half? It looks like under half of the sampling.

Many Amateur Extras
of long experience have accepted complete removal of code
testing according to WT Docket 05-235 comments.

....and many others (and licensees of other than Extra Class ticket
holders) disagree.

"Professional?" Of course. I expect to get paid for my
work. If that is some "ethical crime" then ALL the unions
and guilds and trade organizations are "guilty!" :-)

Are you an organization, Len? I was paid for my job. I've been paid as
a musician. I'm not paid as a radio amateur. I'm not paid as an
amateur astronomer.


Do I need any fancy title to enhance my "braq
quotionent?" No.

No, I don't think you need anything additional to brag about, Len. You
seem to do just fine the way things are. You might want to brush up on
spelling if you want to include that in your "braq quotionent".

I am secure in what I can do and
what I can't do, have had a long time of operating
radio transmitters legally (half century) on the EM
spectrum from LF on through to 25 GHz.

The things you are unable to do--you're secure in them?

Amateur
licensees can't go where I've been in the EM spectrum
without holding a Commercial radio license or knowing
the applicable regulations for that service where
such transmission is permitted (such as private boat
radios) without any license.

Looks like your "braq quotionent" is doing fine.


Is a federally-supervised or VEC-supervised or
COLEM-supervised morse code test "necessary" to
"round out my experience." No. I do not consider
morse code telegraphy to be useful for anything but
hobby radio. I do not have the fantasies of
greatness in radio through morsemanship, therefore
the morsemanship is of no use to me in any way.
Let those who enjoy the mode enjoy it...and NOT
force newcomers to ANY radio service to learn it
because of federal regulations requiring it.

There's a nip in the air and the winter winds are gusting, Len. Stand
here by the lodge hall window. Use your tattered jacket sleeve to wipe
away some of the condensation.

Some of the fellows are standing by the fireplace. The flames dance and
the pleasant scent of burning oak lingers in the room. A couple of
fellows are discussing their DXCC totals on Top Band. Look--four of the
members are sipping their hot buttered rum and laughing. By golly, I
think one of them mentioned "Anderson". I think they mean *you*, Len.

You poor, ignored blighter. You're still standing out in the cold and
looking in. I guess you showed us.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: K4YZ on Nov 17, 7:15 pm

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:


Basically, it comes down to the fact that Len thinks he's too good to
have to learn Morse Code - or anything else - for an amateur radio
license.

[inaccurate heilian imagination...]

Inaccurate is quite right. I didn't right the paragraph above your
*write*
one-liner, Windy.

Dave K8MN

From: Dave Heil on Nov 18, 6:11 pm


wrote:
From: K4YZ on Nov 17, 7:15 pm
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:


Basically, it comes down to the fact that Len thinks he's too good to
have to learn Morse Code - or anything else - for an amateur radio
license.

[inaccurate heilian imagination...]

Inaccurate is quite right. I didn't right the paragraph above your
one-liner, Windy.

"Right," Man of La Mancha...:-)

But Jimmie's prose is in the finest heilian tradition
of Writing Rongs. :-)


There you go. You can't be bothered. So what's with the amateur radio
fetish, Len? Were you beaten with a Lightning Bug as a child?

Sorry, Davie, you'll have to clean your own mirror above
your computer...too many bugs on it.

"Fetish?" :-) All for wanting to toss out an old, out-dated
code test that isn't useful to anyone but some old farts like
yourself?

Oh, yes, I remember your EXCUSES for using "CW" on a TTY
circuit in Africa someplace...you had to "synchronize"
your TTY machines.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you wish to make a mountain out of a molehill, you can
get some staffer at Newington to look into my correspondence
with the late Vic Clark, then President of ARRL.

I'm sure it is all neatly archived. They just need to grab the "Leonard
H. Anderson" accordian folder.

Tsk, I didn't bother to keep mine, went in recycling years
ago. FCC 90-53 made it just the same. "One small step
for code test elimination, one giant leap for Technicians."

Did you know that both Tech classes together constitute almost
HALF of all U.S. amateur radio license grants? True!


So your ideas were dismissed and you've never gotten over it. I knew
Vic Clark. He was a fine person.

Of course he was. You've met everyone of note. They visit
you at one of your embassies? :-)

Vic Clark expired years ago, Davie.

You say nice-nice about the long-ago dead? That's nice.



It isn't exactly a civil rights movement, is it, Len? Did you guys
stage a big march on Newington?

Ohm my, aren't you the nasty fella? :-)

"Newington" isn't the center of the universe. It isn't even the
center of the hamiverse. What comes out of there is poesy of
the good old days in hamme radddio...following in the nightly
yellow footsteps of the Great One, "T.O.M."

Sorry, lil Davie, but there was a "comment march" on Washington.
3,786 filings worth on WT Docket 05-235.

The anti-code-test movement is gaining momentum. The year
2005 isn't 1935 anymore and fewer and fewer people are
agreeing with the code-aholics.

Try to learn to live with it. It's for your own good.


You think elimination of the code test is "undermining"
amateur radio? I don't think so.

I think so and I'm *in* amateur radio.

Then dig your barricades deep. When the bulldozers over-
run you, more of your body parts will stay attached to
your body.


Roughly half the U.S.
amateur radio community doesn't think so (if the 0.6% of
all licensees is a good sampling).

Roughly half? It looks like under half of the sampling.

ROUGHLY HALF, lil Davie.

Of course you are going to ARGUE your lil pointy nose off
that Joe Speroni's BIASED (definitely pro-code)
interpretations are some kind of super accuracy and
"valid." They aren't, but he's a morseman extra and
he's okay. :-)


Are you an organization, Len? I was paid for my job.

By the Department of State. You WERE from the government
and were there to "help." Which may explain the bad image
of the USA outside of our borders.

I've been paid as a musician.

Union or scab? [wanna see my AFTRA card? :-) ]

I'm not paid as a radio amateur.

No? Awwwwww....

I'm not paid as an amateur astronomer.

Neither are you required to have ANY license to look at
frequencies higher than 300 GHz...such as way, way up
in light. :-)

Does Palomar know about you? Does Schmidt help you?


No, I don't think you need anything additional to brag about, Len.

Davie, baby, "it ain't braggin' if ya DONE it. I done it."

Remember who used that Dizzy Dean misquote in here first?

You seem to do just fine the way things are.

Quite right, La Manchie...

You might want to brush up on
spelling if you want to include that in your "braq quotionent".

YESSIR, Mr. Herr Robust! I vill do as you kommand!

I vill WRIGHT all my RONGS! [just like you did]


The things you are unable to do--you're secure in them?

Absolutely.

Tsk, tsk, there are so many NEW things coming up, things
that weren't here before, that there's PLENTY of new
stuff to explore, to experiment with, to fool around with.


Looks like your "braq quotionent" is doing fine.

HAY La Manchie, Ise doing lak ya said, tryin' ta WRITE mah
RONGS.

You gotsa prollem wid dat?


There's a nip in the air and the winter winds are gusting, Len.

Ooooo...you're RIGHT, OAT got down to mebbe 60 F tonight!

Stand here by the lodge hall window.

Good lord, WHY? I had lunch at Guild Headquarters today,
nice fellowship there. Food was okay.

I don't belong to any "lodge," sweetums. Haven't done that
drunken bit down at any VFW Lodge.

Use your tattered jacket sleeve to wipe
away some of the condensation.

Oh, oh...you've been cribbing your ill-literations from old
Reader's Digest magazines, haven't you?

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Some of the fellows are standing by the fireplace. The flames dance and
the pleasant scent of burning oak lingers in the room. A couple of
fellows are discussing their DXCC totals on Top Band. Look--four of the
members are sipping their hot buttered rum and laughing. By golly, I
think one of them mentioned "Anderson". I think they mean *you*, Len.

Not me, sweetums, they tawkin 'bout Anderson PowerPole connectors
for their mo-bile rigs.

Judas H. Priest, you lay those ill-literations on so thick
that the lowest-grade Associate Editor at Boys' Life would
yank it out of the slushpile and toss it in the circular
file muy pronto.

Dinna wurra, laddie, Boys' Life magazine will send you a nice,
polite form-letter REJECTION. Forget the Digest. Enquirer
doesn't go for THAT kind of syrupy, sloppy prose; I know a
free-lancer who does sell to NE. Maybe you could try the
poetry journals...don't know much about them.

"Fireplace?" "Burning oak leaves?" Mid-afternoon OAT (that's
Outside Air Temperature to you ground-bound earthlings) got
to 82 F today. Be about the same tomorrow. Gotta cut the
lawn tomorrow but that will be easy with my cordless electric
Craftsman mower (made by Black & Decker).

You poor, ignored blighter. You're still standing out in the cold and
looking in. I guess you showed us.

Sorry, you're thinking of Val Germann. He's been an unmodified
Tech for over three years. [my micro-fiber jacket isn't
tattered, you've got the wrong guy...]

I was hangin' with some NBC West Coast Hq types at lunch. We
weren't talking about hamme raddddio. HDTV and remote pickup
trucks and some new graphics imaging came up like the Oscars
show and other events to be done in wide-screen. Lookin'
good in the neighborhood.

You got any DTV-compatible TVs, lil Davie? Nice stuff there on
cable TV service. Comcast has two cable channels for nothing
but wide-screen TV, lovely imagery, looks wonderful on the
27" LCD flat-panel we just got. Saw "Alias" and "CSI" in
wide-screen last night (Thursday). Great stuff. Action and
drama. Recreation! Enjoyment!

Nah...you don't want that "crap," do you? You and your rum-
sipping buddies gotta grin about "pioneering the airwaves"
with "CW" and making all those point scores. Keep up the
wunnaful, wunnaful vurk on DX...I hope your Orion can reach
the Dakotas to pay amateur tribute to Law-rence the box-
squeezer. "Ay vun an a too..." :-)

Watch out on too much rum-sipping, old-timer. Follow the
mathematician's warning: "Don't drink and derive!"

Fork yourself, Dave. You're done.

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Nov 18, 6:11 pm


wrote:
From: K4YZ on Nov 17, 7:15 pm
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:


Basically, it comes down to the fact that Len thinks he's too good to
have to learn Morse Code - or anything else - for an amateur radio
license.
[inaccurate heilian imagination...]

Inaccurate is quite right. I didn't right the paragraph above your
one-liner, Windy.

"Right," Man of La Mancha...:-)

Yes, it is right.

But Jimmie's prose is in the finest heilian tradition
of Writing Rongs. :-)

Prose?

There you go. You can't be bothered. So what's with the amateur radio
fetish, Len? Were you beaten with a Lightning Bug as a child?

Sorry, Davie, you'll have to clean your own mirror above
your computer...too many bugs on it.

That doesn't make sense, Leonard. I'm fine with morse code testing and
morse code use *and* I'm a radio amateur. The fetish is yours.

"Fetish?" :-) All for wanting to toss out an old, out-dated
code test that isn't useful to anyone but some old farts like
yourself?

You're the oldest fart here, Len and you aren't involved in amateur
radio. Like I said, you have a fetish.

Oh, yes, I remember your EXCUSES for using "CW" on a TTY
circuit in Africa someplace...you had to "synchronize"
your TTY machines.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I made no excuses and you weren't involved in my work any more than you
are involved in amateur radio. In other words, you're a non-factor in
either.

If you wish to make a mountain out of a molehill, you can
get some staffer at Newington to look into my correspondence
with the late Vic Clark, then President of ARRL.

I'm sure it is all neatly archived. They just need to grab the "Leonard
H. Anderson" accordian folder.

Tsk, I didn't bother to keep mine, went in recycling years
ago.

You've been recycling here too. You've certainly gotten mileage out of
your irrelevant military experiences of better than half a century ago.

FCC 90-53 made it just the same. "One small step
for code test elimination, one giant leap for Technicians."

....and your correspondence with Vic Clark made that happen?

Did you know that both Tech classes together constitute almost
HALF of all U.S. amateur radio license grants? True!

Yep, when something is simple enough, many folks will opt for it rather
than attempting that which is more difficult. Many never go beyond the
easiest license despite the limited privileges it offers.

So your ideas were dismissed and you've never gotten over it. I knew
Vic Clark. He was a fine person.

Of course he was.

You've met him?

You've met everyone of note.

I have?

They visit
you at one of your embassies? :-)

Vic Clark was a silent key before I entered the Foreign Service. I've
met lots of notable people while in the Foreign Service--a U.S.
President, his wife, two Secretaries of State, a number of U.S.
Congressmen and Senators, former Finnish President Mauno Koivisto,
Forumula 1 driver Mika Salo and even trumpeter Clark Terry among others.
I got to see a number of other people of note--Secretary of State
George Schultz, Boris Yeltsin. Your name didn't come up.

Vic Clark expired years ago, Davie.

Lots of people expired years ago. That didn't preclude their having
been fine people.

You say nice-nice about the long-ago dead? That's nice.

....only the ones whom I considered fine people. It is nice.


It isn't exactly a civil rights movement, is it, Len? Did you guys
stage a big march on Newington?

Ohm my, aren't you the nasty fella? :-)

How is my question nasty, old timer? :-) :-)

"Newington" isn't the center of the universe.

Who wrote that it was, Leonard?

It isn't even the
center of the hamiverse.

Actually, in this country, it is the closest thing we've got.

What comes out of there is poesy of
the good old days in hamme radddio...following in the nightly
yellow footsteps of the Great One, "T.O.M."

What is "hamme radddio"? What nightly footsteps are in evidence and why
would they be yellow?

Sorry, lil Davie, but there was a "comment march" on Washington.
3,786 filings worth on WT Docket 05-235.

What, pray tell, is a "comment march". Is that anything like "message
knuckles"? Of those filings, were all in support of your position?

The anti-code-test movement is gaining momentum.

Not to the tune of 3,786 filings on 05-235, it isn't.

The year
2005 isn't 1935 anymore and fewer and fewer people are
agreeing with the code-aholics.

....and the year 2017 won't be 1865. Who are the code-aholics?

Try to learn to live with it. It's for your own good.

Let me see if I have it straight: 2005 isn't 1935 anymore? Did it used
to be?

You think elimination of the code test is "undermining"
amateur radio? I don't think so.

I think so and I'm *in* amateur radio.

Then dig your barricades deep. When the bulldozers over-
run you, more of your body parts will stay attached to
your body.

You aren't wrapped very tight.


Roughly half the U.S.
amateur radio community doesn't think so (if the 0.6% of
all licensees is a good sampling).

Roughly half? It looks like under half of the sampling.

ROUGHLY HALF, lil Davie.

Roughly, but not quite half, old Lennie.

Of course you are going to ARGUE your lil pointy nose off
that Joe Speroni's BIASED (definitely pro-code)
interpretations are some kind of super accuracy and
"valid." They aren't, but he's a morseman extra and
he's okay. :-)

Of course you are going to ARGUE that YOUR BIASED (definitely anti-code)
inaccurate interpretations are valid.


Are you an organization, Len? I was paid for my job.

By the Department of State.

Yeah? Weren't you paid by the organization which employed you? Tell us
about the guilds and unions and how you're like them.

You WERE from the government
and were there to "help."

I was of the government and I was there to help the government.

Which may explain the bad image
of the USA outside of our borders.

Would you care to see your own special profile again?

I've been paid as a musician.

Union or scab? [wanna see my AFTRA card? :-) ]

Were you an actor portraying a musician? :-)

I'm not paid as a radio amateur.

No? Awwwwww....

I'm not paid as an amateur astronomer.

Neither are you required to have ANY license to look at
frequencies higher than 300 GHz...such as way, way up
in light. :-)

What's your point? Amateurs at anything, aren't paid. They do things
for the love of doing them.

Does Palomar know about you? Does Schmidt help you?


No, I don't think you need anything additional to brag about, Len.

Davie, baby, "it ain't braggin' if ya DONE it. I done it."

Then you don't have a "braq quotionent", Len. You have an "I DONE it
quotionent", except that when it comes to amateur radio, you ain't done it.

Remember who used that Dizzy Dean misquote in here first?

The quote has been attributed to a number of people over the years.


You seem to do just fine the way things are.

Quite right, La Manchie...

You might want to brush up on
spelling if you want to include that in your "braq quotionent".

YESSIR, Mr. Herr Robust! I vill do as you kommand!

I vill WRIGHT all my RONGS! [just like you did]



The things you are unable to do--you're secure in them?

Absolutely.

Tsk, tsk, there are so many NEW things coming up, things
that weren't here before, that there's PLENTY of new
stuff to explore, to experiment with, to fool around with.

I didn't write about anything particularly new, Len. I asked about the
things you are unable to do.

Looks like your "braq quotionent" is doing fine.

HAY La Manchie, Ise doing lak ya said, tryin' ta WRITE mah
RONGS.

You gotsa prollem wid dat?

Some of your stuff defies response.

There's a nip in the air and the winter winds are gusting, Len.

Ooooo...you're RIGHT, OAT got down to mebbe 60 F tonight!

Stand here by the lodge hall window.

Good lord, WHY? I had lunch at Guild Headquarters today,
nice fellowship there. Food was okay.

I don't belong to any "lodge," sweetums. Haven't done that
drunken bit down at any VFW Lodge.

You often write as if you have great experience in doing so.

Use your tattered jacket sleeve to wipe
away some of the condensation.

Oh, oh...you've been cribbing your ill-literations from old
Reader's Digest magazines, haven't you?

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Some of the fellows are standing by the fireplace. The flames dance and
the pleasant scent of burning oak lingers in the room. A couple of
fellows are discussing their DXCC totals on Top Band. Look--four of the
members are sipping their hot buttered rum and laughing. By golly, I
think one of them mentioned "Anderson". I think they mean *you*, Len.

Not me, sweetums, they tawkin 'bout Anderson PowerPole connectors
for their mo-bile rigs.

Judas H. Priest, you lay those ill-literations on so thick
that the lowest-grade Associate Editor at Boys' Life would
yank it out of the slushpile and toss it in the circular
file muy pronto.

Dinna wurra, laddie, Boys' Life magazine will send you a nice,
polite form-letter REJECTION. Forget the Digest. Enquirer
doesn't go for THAT kind of syrupy, sloppy prose; I know a
free-lancer who does sell to NE. Maybe you could try the
poetry journals...don't know much about them.

"Fireplace?" "Burning oak leaves?" Mid-afternoon OAT (that's
Outside Air Temperature to you ground-bound earthlings) got
to 82 F today. Be about the same tomorrow. Gotta cut the
lawn tomorrow but that will be easy with my cordless electric
Craftsman mower (made by Black & Decker).

You poor, ignored blighter. You're still standing out in the cold and
looking in. I guess you showed us.

Sorry, you're thinking of Val Germann. He's been an unmodified
Tech for over three years. [my micro-fiber jacket isn't
tattered, you've got the wrong guy...]

It couldn't have been Val, Leonard. He's a licensed ham. He is
permitted full voting membership in the old lodge.

I was hangin' with some NBC West Coast Hq types at lunch. We
weren't talking about hamme raddddio.

No doubt. They probably weren't even discussing ham radio.

HDTV and remote pickup
trucks and some new graphics imaging came up like the Oscars
show and other events to be done in wide-screen. Lookin'
good in the neighborhood.

Irrelevant.

You got any DTV-compatible TVs, lil Davie? Nice stuff there on
cable TV service. Comcast has two cable channels for nothing
but wide-screen TV, lovely imagery, looks wonderful on the
27" LCD flat-panel we just got. Saw "Alias" and "CSI" in
wide-screen last night (Thursday). Great stuff. Action and
drama. Recreation! Enjoyment!

As a matter of fact, Leonard, I've been watching HDTV for better than
the past two years. Get your enjoyment where you can. For watching TV,
you're an insider. For amateur radio, you're an outsider.

Nah...you don't want that "crap," do you? You and your rum-
sipping buddies gotta grin about "pioneering the airwaves"
with "CW" and making all those point scores.

I have it, have had it and find that it doesn't preclude me from doing
the other things I care to pursue. In the watching television vs.
amateur radio arena, you're 1 for 2.

Keep up the
wunnaful, wunnaful vurk on DX...I hope your Orion can reach
the Dakotas to pay amateur tribute to Law-rence the box-
squeezer. "Ay vun an a too..." :-)

I worked a few Europeans and some South Americans last night on 160m CW,
Len. I did some testing of a 6m FM link to an area 70cm repeater last
evening with W8MSD and I squeezed in some HDTV viewing of college
football. You do as you can and I'll do as I choose.

Watch out on too much rum-sipping, old-timer. Follow the
mathematician's warning: "Don't drink and derive!"

Your stuff died with Vaudeville.

Fork yourself, Dave. You're done.

Actually, Len, statistics say that I should be at least a couple of
decades from being done.

Dave K8MN

From: Dave Heil on Nov 20, 9:25 am


wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Nov 18, 6:11 pm
wrote:
From: K4YZ on Nov 17, 7:15 pm
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:


You're the oldest fart here, Len and you aren't involved in amateur
radio. Like I said, you have a fetish.

You mean LICENSED amateur radio...as in having an HF transceiver
and "working DX on HF with CW." :-)


I made no excuses and you weren't involved in my work any more than you
are involved in amateur radio.

"Not involved with your [Department of State] work?" Not in
the 1980s. I was involved in the 1950s. "State" had their
own TTY nodes in the ACAN-STARCOM-DCS worldwide in the 1950s
and 1960s. Would you like to know the node letters found on
all messages that were relayed by the Army? I have a nice
list. There's also one at the USAER website which covers
Army in Europe history extensively.

"State" never used an RCA Corporation RACES (Random Access
Card Extract System) archival memory storage machine? On
the contrary, "State" had two of them in Washingdon DC as
prime electronic back-up. Back in the late 1960s. I know
because I worked at the RCA division that made them and I
got in on some of their final testing. Department of State
used those to keep track of a months' worth of messages
into/out of DC. You told me they were of no consequence. :-)

I'm not involved in the operation of LICENSED amateur radio
on-the-air. I can and have helped other amateurs fix/align
their radio equipment. However, you want to dismiss a great
big hobby area involving not just radio but all of electronics
in the United States. Unpaid work. In a hobby. That's
were I am.

In other words, you're a non-factor in either.

Tsk, tsk, I'm closer to a Mersene number insofar as factors
are concerned! BSEG


You've been recycling here too. You've certainly gotten mileage out of
your irrelevant military experiences of better than half a century ago.

1. The U.S. military gave up using morse code modes for
long-haul HF communications in 1948, longer than a
half century ago. Plain, simple fact. Bugs the hell
out of devout Believers in the Church of St. Hiram,
so I bring it up. :-)

2. I've mentioned a considerable amount of civilian
programs I've worked on in the last 49 years.
Interestingly, there's more "sensitivity" on that
than on old military activities due to Trade
Secrets, Corporate Confidential, and general Non-
Disclosure demands. Unless I have press release
or other public information on that, I don't even
mention them.

3. Before the advent of communications satellites,
wideband fiber optic cable, improved underwater
cable, the U.S. military depended primarily on HF
radio for their worldwide communications networks.
That HF network equipment operated by the very same
laws of physics which governed amateur radio then
and now. Technology transfer was directly applicable
between the military of that time and amateur radio
of that time. However, military radio then (and
still does) employ more modes and techniques than
are allowed by U.S.radio amateurs now.


Did you know that both Tech classes together constitute almost
HALF of all U.S. amateur radio license grants? True!

Yep, when something is simple enough, many folks will opt for it rather
than attempting that which is more difficult. Many never go beyond the
easiest license despite the limited privileges it offers.

Such as long-time amateur radiotelegraphers who've never
ventured behind the front panels of their radios in order
to understand how they worked. :-) Yes, I am familiar
with those. Their "radio skill" never goes beyond their
key, their ears, or the "official" jargon they've picked
up from older days, those used by older "radio experts."



Vic Clark was a silent key before I entered the Foreign Service.

Not my fault. shrug

I've met lots of notable people while in the Foreign Service--a U.S.
President, his wife, two Secretaries of State, a number of U.S.
Congressmen and Senators, former Finnish President Mauno Koivisto,
Forumula 1 driver Mika Salo and even trumpeter Clark Terry among others.
I got to see a number of other people of note--Secretary of State
George Schultz, Boris Yeltsin.

Wow! All because you worked for the Department of State?

Who wrote "I've met people like you, always bragging about..."

What has all that name-dropping to do with amateur radio? :-)

Hmmm...I could do the same schtick with some show business
folks, some high up, some not well known, lots of behind
the scenes guild people, plus a couple of big corporation
founders, three federal representatives (Barry Goldwater's
son, once on politics, the other on a visit to RCA EASD in
Van Nuys about the time his district was gerrymandered out
of my area). I was quite taken with meeting Stockard
Channing briefly during a party in the Hollywood Hills, she
is tinier in real life than in reel life and is charming
without needing a script. [Stockard was in "West Wing"
as a semi-regular, is now on another show about doctors]

I've not met any Heads of State. Few get involved in the
nittygritty of aerospace. Representative Goldwater did
but then he was bigger on flying and piloting than his
father. The late General Bernard Shriever, USAF Missle
Command (or whatever its final name was) attended a
briefing I gave and we had a chat afterwards. Impressed
me as having the "right stuff." John Young and Bob Crippen
were at Rocketdyne, meeting and greeting the folks there
who made the Space Shuttle Main Engines (shuttle space-
frame was made "over the hill" at the B-1 Division). That
right after the first space flight of the STS; they also
were the crew of the air-drop-only Enterprise test shuttle.

Your name didn't come up.

Tsk.



It [Newington] isn't even the center of the hamiverse.

Actually, in this country, it is the closest thing we've got.

Only in your perception.



What nightly footsteps are in evidence and why would they be yellow?

Inquire of REAL USMC veterans about "yellow footsteps."

You haven't been following the expose' of the self-renowned
Amateur Extra now dubbed Dudly the Imposter.


Sorry, lil Davie, but there was a "comment march" on Washington.
3,786 filings worth on WT Docket 05-235.

What, pray tell, is a "comment march".

On alliterations you seem illiterate.

There was no human parade march on Washington in regards to
amateur radio. There were (to date) 3,786 filings on WT
Docket 05-235, that Docket devoted to only one subject, the
elimination or retention of the morse code test in federal
amateur radio regulations. It's been only four months
since the release of NPRM 05-143 (on July 19, 2005) but in
the 11 month official period of WT Docket 98-143 on
Restructuring, that garnered only about 2200 filings.


The anti-code-test movement is gaining momentum.

Not to the tune of 3,786 filings on 05-235, it isn't.

See preceding.


You aren't wrapped very tight.

True, I am (at time of writing) sitting in shirtsleeves,
the office window open, temperature gauge at the corner
of the radio clock displaying 71.3 degrees F.

If you mean that remark as an insult, then it has fallen
flat before the message got here. Please do not litter.



Would you care to see your own special profile again?

Do whatever you like. The "profiles" generated by Miccolis
are not official, not accurate, are biased to an extreme
due to past differences in here and my not obliging him
with the respect and reverence he thinks is so richly
deserving.

"Profiles" work two ways, indeed in many ways. Yours
can, and has been done (in part) several times.


I've been paid as a musician.

Union or scab? [wanna see my AFTRA card? :-) ]

Were you an actor portraying a musician? :-)

American Federation of Television and Radio Artists.

Question reiterated: Were YOU ever in a musician's
guild, union, or craft?


What's your point? Amateurs at anything, aren't paid. They do things
for the love of doing them.

Then why do YOU insist that all radio amateurs "love" the
specific things YOU "love?"

Your motivation is at question there.


Does Palomar know about you? Does Schmidt help you?

I'll let you think some more about another question you
did not answer... :-)





No, I don't think you need anything additional to brag about, Len.

Davie, baby, "it ain't braggin' if ya DONE it. I done it."

Then you don't have a "braq quotionent", Len. You have an "I DONE it
quotionent", except that when it comes to amateur radio, you ain't done it.

I have not obtained any amateur radio license, true, but
to attempt semi-insult at claiming I've never been IN
radio would be a disasterous fabrication for you on the
order of Dudly the Imposter level.


Remember who used that Dizzy Dean misquote in here first?

The quote has been attributed to a number of people over the years.

The one who USED it first in here was James P. Miccolis,
license N2EY. ["Used," Davie, not 'attributed to']

Tsk, that misquote wound up blowing his words off...


I didn't write about anything particularly new, Len.

All readers here realize that...do not state the obvious.

I asked about the things you are unable to do.

For what reason? To attempt more denigrations?

I had been attempting to levitate. Then I tried to invent anti-
gravity. No success. Something is holding me down...


Some of your stuff defies response.

Try to stay with the program.

We all know you have difficulties with analogies, please
do not state the obvious.



You poor, ignored blighter. You're still standing out in the cold and
looking in. I guess you showed us.

Sorry, you're thinking of Val Germann. He's been an unmodified
Tech for over three years. [my micro-fiber jacket isn't
tattered, you've got the wrong guy...]

It couldn't have been Val, Leonard. He's a licensed ham. He is
permitted full voting membership in the old lodge.

In the NAAR, if he is a member there. The Commission doesn't
have "voting" or "membership" through license granting...it
just grants licenses and regulates all civil radio in the
United States. The NAAR (old name ARRL, but NAAR seems to be
the new name used by Imlay in Comments) membership is only
1 in 5 of all United States amateur radio licenses.

Just how big is that "lodge hall" you tried to write about?


I was hangin' with some NBC West Coast Hq types at lunch. We
weren't talking about hamme raddddio.

No doubt. They probably weren't even discussing ham radio.

You DO have such difficulty with the written word, don't
you? Tsk, tsk. Work on comprehension rather that strict,
obedient literalism. This isn't an English Composition
high school class.

Ever hear of Phil Amidon? He retired from NBC West Coast
Headquarters years ago. He'd already started a small
business selling iron powder toroid cores and other little
kits on sale in many radio-electronics parts stores
nationwide. Bigger corporation bought his company.

Irrelevant.

Only to your extreme literalism. Tsk, tsk. Relax, learn
to live with things. It will be better for you now that
you are over the middle aged hill.


As a matter of fact, Leonard, I've been watching HDTV for better than
the past two years. Get your enjoyment where you can. For watching TV,
you're an insider. For amateur radio, you're an outsider.

Yep, extreme literalism. "Back of the bus" kind of bigotry.

Were you born with that elitist attitude? Or was it
acquired in "the foreign service?" :-)

Tell me, do you hang around VE exam sessions, questioning
those who enter the door whether they are "upgrading" or
are newbies? Do you act like a Dill sergeant with the
newbies? Chew them out, don't permit them to speak until
spoken to? I get the distinct feeling you do that. :-)

By the way, I've actually been watching HDTV, the present
system in the regulations, since SIX years ago. Since a
demonstration by the "Grand Alliance" group on the west
coast. I've seen "HD" systems demonstrated much earlier,
but those were not picked up in the FCC regulations.



I worked a few Europeans and some South Americans last night on 160m CW,
Len. I did some testing of a 6m FM link to an area 70cm repeater last
evening with W8MSD and I squeezed in some HDTV viewing of college
football. You do as you can and I'll do as I choose.

Ohm my! I now get to actually CHOOSE FOR MYSELF?!?

Oh heavenly day, the "Godfather" has allowed me a choice!
I cannot refuse it! :-)


Your stuff died with Vaudeville.

Vaudeville isn't "dead," Godfather. It isn't healthy but
you can find it still going strong in the Catskills. Nu?

Vaudeville is alive and well but musclebound in the World
Wrestling Federation.

Morse code is alive but unwell, dwelling only in the
musculeminds of stubborn, hidebound, self-righteous
old and middle-aged morsemen bound and determined to
force the code test down newcomer's throats until their
code keys are pried out of cold, dead fingers.



Actually, Len, statistics say that I should be at least a couple of
decades from being done.

Let's say this: You sure as hell aren't rare or medium!
But you sure aren't well done either. "Steak tartare." :-)

Reflect on the old saying, "there are lies, damn lies, and
statistics." All are connected as equals. :-)

I will be reading your SK notice in the ARRL/NAAR newsletter.

I will think back on you then.

Buy.

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Nov 20, 9:25 am


wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Nov 18, 6:11 pm
wrote:
From: K4YZ on Nov 17, 7:15 pm
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:


You're the oldest fart here, Len and you aren't involved in amateur
radio. Like I said, you have a fetish.

You mean LICENSED amateur radio...as in having an HF transceiver
and "working DX on HF with CW." :-)

Amateur radio might be operating weak signal UHF SSB with a multi-mode,
multi-band rig. It might be operating 2m FM through a local repeater.
It might be ragchewing on 40m CW. One constant is that you aren't involved.


I made no excuses and you weren't involved in my work any more than you
are involved in amateur radio.

"Not involved with your [Department of State] work?" Not in
the 1980s.

Not in the 1980's, not in the 1990's and not in 2000. You weren't
involved in any fashion.

I was involved in the 1950s. "State" had their
own TTY nodes in the ACAN-STARCOM-DCS worldwide in the 1950s
and 1960s.

Dark ages, Leonard. You were never employed by the U.S. Department of
State, just as you were never in amateur radio.

Would you like to know the node letters found on
all messages that were relayed by the Army? I have a nice
list. There's also one at the USAER website which covers
Army in Europe history extensively.

I'm not particularly interested. Why do you live in the past?

"State" never used an RCA Corporation RACES (Random Access
Card Extract System) archival memory storage machine?

It was not used for long. It wasn't seen as practical. Back to my
employment: You were never involved.

On
the contrary, "State" had two of them in Washingdon DC as
prime electronic back-up. Back in the late 1960s. I know
because I worked at the RCA division that made them and I
got in on some of their final testing.

How does that make you involved in my employment?

Department of State
used those to keep track of a months' worth of messages
into/out of DC. You told me they were of no consequence. :-)

They weren't. Their demise was quick. They were supplanted by state of
the art (for the time) Teletype Model 40 gear. That equipement was used
long past its obsolescence. It was phased out in the late 1980's and
early 1990's. How were you involved in my job?

I'm not involved in the operation of LICENSED amateur radio
on-the-air.

Precisely. ZIC/ZID.

I can and have helped other amateurs fix/align
their radio equipment.

Bully for you. No license is required as long as you don't put it on
the air.

However, you want to dismiss a great
big hobby area involving not just radio but all of electronics
in the United States. Unpaid work. In a hobby. That's
were I am.

I'm not dismissing a great big hobby area involving all of electronics.
I'm stating quite accurately that you aren't involved in amateur radio.

In other words, you're a non-factor in either.

Tsk, tsk, I'm closer to a Mersene number insofar as factors
are concerned! BSEG

from:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a

"No large Mersene number was proven to be prime".

You must be past your prime, Len. :-)


You've been recycling here too. You've certainly gotten mileage out of
your irrelevant military experiences of better than half a century ago.

1. The U.S. military gave up using morse code modes for
long-haul HF communications in 1948, longer than a
half century ago. Plain, simple fact. Bugs the hell
out of devout Believers in the Church of St. Hiram,
so I bring it up. :-)

I don't know why it'd bother radio amateurs. I'm sure that you meant
that the Army gave up the use of morse for long haul, point-to-point
bulk relayed message traffic. Otherwise your statement could be seem as
incorrect. Amateur radio isn't about the Army.


2. I've mentioned a considerable amount of civilian
programs I've worked on in the last 49 years.
Interestingly, there's more "sensitivity" on that
than on old military activities due to Trade
Secrets, Corporate Confidential, and general Non-
Disclosure demands. Unless I have press release
or other public information on that, I don't even
mention them.

That's lucky for us. Otherwise your already long and irrelevant posts
would just grow longer.

3. Before the advent of communications satellites,
wideband fiber optic cable, improved underwater
cable, the U.S. military depended primarily on HF
radio for their worldwide communications networks.
That HF network equipment operated by the very same
laws of physics which governed amateur radio then
and now. Technology transfer was directly applicable
between the military of that time and amateur radio
of that time. However, military radio then (and
still does) employ more modes and techniques than
are allowed by U.S.radio amateurs now.

That's nice, but not really relevant.


Did you know that both Tech classes together constitute almost
HALF of all U.S. amateur radio license grants? True!

Yep, when something is simple enough, many folks will opt for it rather
than attempting that which is more difficult. Many never go beyond the
easiest license despite the limited privileges it offers.

Such as long-time amateur radiotelegraphers who've never
ventured behind the front panels of their radios in order
to understand how they worked. :-)

Your clause doesn't address limited privileges. :-)

Yes, I am familiar
with those. Their "radio skill" never goes beyond their
key, their ears, or the "official" jargon they've picked
up from older days, those used by older "radio experts."

Do you know any radio telephonists who've never ventured beyond the
front panels of their equipment? Does their skill extend beyond their
microphones? Have they picked up any "official" jargon from older days?
Perhaps your rant was intended only as a slam against anyone who is both
a telegrapher and a radio amateur.



Vic Clark was a silent key before I entered the Foreign Service.

Not my fault. shrug

You told us that you exchanged letters with him.

I've met lots of notable people while in the Foreign Service--a U.S.
President, his wife, two Secretaries of State, a number of U.S.
Congressmen and Senators, former Finnish President Mauno Koivisto,
Forumula 1 driver Mika Salo and even trumpeter Clark Terry among others.
I got to see a number of other people of note--Secretary of State
George Schultz, Boris Yeltsin.

Wow! All because you worked for the Department of State?

That's absolutely correct.

Who wrote "I've met people like you, always bragging about..."

It wasn't a brag, Len. After all, you were the one who wrote about
notables coming to my embassy. Oh, that's right--you snipped that part.

What has all that name-dropping to do with amateur radio? :-)

That's what I thought when *you* brought it up.

Hmmm...I could do the same schtick with some show business
folks, some high up, some not well known, lots of behind
the scenes guild people, plus a couple of big corporation
founders, three federal representatives (Barry Goldwater's
son...

Barry Goldwater's son? Wow! I met the Duchess of Windsor's waiter in
Palm Beach when I was a kid. I saw Fred Astaire's dancing shoes at a
well known English manor house where Eisenhower planned the Normandy
Invasion. Imagine! Goldwater's son!

once on politics, the other on a visit to RCA EASD in
Van Nuys about the time his district was gerrymandered out
of my area). I was quite taken with meeting Stockard
Channing briefly during a party in the Hollywood Hills, she
is tinier in real life than in reel life and is charming
without needing a script. [Stockard was in "West Wing"
as a semi-regular, is now on another show about doctors]

I've not met any Heads of State. Few get involved in the
nittygritty of aerospace. Representative Goldwater did
but then he was bigger on flying and piloting than his
father. The late General Bernard Shriever, USAF Missle
Command (or whatever its final name was)...

I'm pretty sure that it wasn't "Missle Command". :-)

It [Newington] isn't even the center of the hamiverse.

Actually, in this country, it is the closest thing we've got.

Only in your perception.

Then again, you aren't likely to know. You aren't a ham and you aren't
an ARRL member.


What nightly footsteps are in evidence and why would they be yellow?

Inquire of REAL USMC veterans about "yellow footsteps."

Why?

You haven't been following the expose' of the self-renowned
Amateur Extra now dubbed Dudly the Imposter.

Oh, I know that you've found another insulting name for someone.


Sorry, lil Davie, but there was a "comment march" on Washington.
3,786 filings worth on WT Docket 05-235.

What, pray tell, is a "comment march".

On alliterations you seem illiterate.

Off hand, I'd say the guy who penned "comment march" seems lacking in
literary skills.

There was no human parade march on Washington in regards to
amateur radio.

I knew that.


There were (to date) 3,786 filings on WT
Docket 05-235, that Docket devoted to only one subject, the
elimination or retention of the morse code test in federal
amateur radio regulations.

So that'd be unlike any real march on Washington, where all were united
in a common goal. In the Civil Rights march, were more than half of the
marchers *against* civil rights for blacks?

It's been only four months
since the release of NPRM 05-143 (on July 19, 2005) but in
the 11 month official period of WT Docket 98-143 on
Restructuring, that garnered only about 2200 filings.

And? What percentage of radio amateurs filed? What percentage of the
general public filed?


The anti-code-test movement is gaining momentum.

Not to the tune of 3,786 filings on 05-235, it isn't.

See preceding.

I read the "preceding". It said, "Not to the tune of 3,786 filings on
05-235, it isn't".

You aren't wrapped very tight.

True, I am (at time of writing) sitting in shirtsleeves,
the office window open, temperature gauge at the corner
of the radio clock displaying 71.3 degrees F.
If you mean that remark as an insult, then it has fallen
flat before the message got here. Please do not litter.

I meant it as a statement of that which is evident, but I don't blame
you for wanting to snip that which illustrated my point.

Would you care to see your own special profile again?

Do whatever you like. The "profiles" generated by Miccolis
are not official, not accurate, are biased to an extreme
due to past differences in here and my not obliging him
with the respect and reverence he thinks is so richly
deserving.

While not official, that profile is based upon long experience in
reading your posted material. It appears to be quite accurate in that
you live up to it time and again.

"Profiles" work two ways, indeed in many ways. Yours
can, and has been done (in part) several times.

Was that the one you plagiarized from Jim's work?

I've been paid as a musician.

Union or scab? [wanna see my AFTRA card? :-) ]

Were you an actor portraying a musician? :-)

American Federation of Television and Radio Artists.

That isn't a musician's union at all. The AFofM is the musician's union.

Question reiterated: Were YOU ever in a musician's
guild, union, or craft?

What's it to you?


What's your point? Amateurs at anything, aren't paid. They do things
for the love of doing them.

Then why do YOU insist that all radio amateurs "love" the
specific things YOU "love?"

I do not.

Your motivation is at question there.

Your understanding of logic is at question here.


Does Palomar know about you? Does Schmidt help you?

I'll let you think some more about another question you
did not answer... :-)

What were you telling me about your not having to respond to questions? :-)

No, I don't think you need anything additional to brag about, Len.

Davie, baby, "it ain't braggin' if ya DONE it. I done it."

Then you don't have a "braq quotionent", Len. You have an "I DONE it
quotionent", except that when it comes to amateur radio, you ain't done it.

I have not obtained any amateur radio license, true...

Precisely!


...but
to attempt semi-insult at claiming I've never been IN
radio would be a disasterous fabrication for you on the
order of Dudly the Imposter level.

Then it is probably a good thing that I've never done any such thing.

Remember who used that Dizzy Dean misquote in here first?

The quote has been attributed to a number of people over the years.

The one who USED it first in here was James P. Miccolis,
license N2EY. ["Used," Davie, not 'attributed to']

"Attributed to", Leonard, not "used". The quote has been attributed to
Babe Ruth, Dizzy Dean and others.

Tsk, that misquote wound up blowing his words off...

Did it, Lennie?

I didn't write about anything particularly new, Len.

All readers here realize that...do not state the obvious.

I asked about the things you are unable to do.

For what reason? To attempt more denigrations?

There's no need for more ammunition there.

I had been attempting to levitate. Then I tried to invent anti-
gravity. No success. Something is holding me down...

Have you decided to use that line over and over until someone thinks it
is a) original to you or b) funny?

You poor, ignored blighter. You're still standing out in the cold and
looking in. I guess you showed us.

Sorry, you're thinking of Val Germann. He's been an unmodified
Tech for over three years. [my micro-fiber jacket isn't
tattered, you've got the wrong guy...]

You're wearing a jacket in 73 degree temperatures?

It couldn't have been Val, Leonard. He's a licensed ham. He is
permitted full voting membership in the old lodge.

In the NAAR, if he is a member there.

Do you mean the ARRL? Yes, if he is a member. Even if he isn't an ARRL
member, he's a member of the cozy lodge made up of all licensed radio
amateurs. The guy who passed his Tech last week is a member. The guy
who has been licensed since 1928 is a member. Kids of eight or nine
years of age are members. You are not a member.

The Commission doesn't
have "voting" or "membership" through license granting...it
just grants licenses and regulates all civil radio in the
United States. The NAAR (old name ARRL, but NAAR seems to be
the new name used by Imlay in Comments) membership is only
1 in 5 of all United States amateur radio licenses.

Can you name any single U.S. amateur radio organization with as much as
1/10th the membership of the ARRL? How about 1/5th?

Just how big is that "lodge hall" you tried to write about?

It is big enough to hold well over 600,000 members.

I was hangin' with some NBC West Coast Hq types at lunch. We
weren't talking about hamme raddddio.

No doubt. They probably weren't even discussing ham radio.

You DO have such difficulty with the written word, don't
you? Tsk, tsk. Work on comprehension rather that strict,
obedient literalism. This isn't an English Composition
high school class.

I realized that when I found that there isn't a competent instructor on
hand.

Ever hear of Phil Amidon? He retired from NBC West Coast
Headquarters years ago. He'd already started a small
business selling iron powder toroid cores and other little
kits on sale in many radio-electronics parts stores
nationwide. Bigger corporation bought his company.

Yep. They don't make anything. They re-package and sell products made
by another firm.

Irrelevant.

Only to your extreme literalism. Tsk, tsk. Relax, learn
to live with things. It will be better for you now that
you are over the middle aged hill.


As a matter of fact, Leonard, I've been watching HDTV for better than
the past two years. Get your enjoyment where you can. For watching TV,
you're an insider. For amateur radio, you're an outsider.

Yep, extreme literalism. "Back of the bus" kind of bigotry.

That's incorrect. The seating on the bus is open. You haven't boarded.

Were you born with that elitist attitude? Or was it
acquired in "the foreign service?" :-)

"Foreign Service". Were you in "the army"? :-)


Tell me, do you hang around VE exam sessions, questioning
those who enter the door whether they are "upgrading" or
are newbies? Do you act like a Dill sergeant with the
newbies? Chew them out, don't permit them to speak until
spoken to? I get the distinct feeling you do that. :-)

You aren't yet a newbie. :-)

By the way, I've actually been watching HDTV, the present
system in the regulations, since SIX years ago. Since a
demonstration by the "Grand Alliance" group on the west
coast. I've seen "HD" systems demonstrated much earlier,
but those were not picked up in the FCC regulations.

There would have been no point in my obtaining anything for HDTV
SIX years ago. I've been back in the U.S. for five years. Large
amounts of programming wasn't available nationally and regional and
local stations weren't transmitting it. While Dish Network offered
digital television, it did not offer HD at that time.

I worked a few Europeans and some South Americans last night on 160m CW,
Len. I did some testing of a 6m FM link to an area 70cm repeater last
evening with W8MSD and I squeezed in some HDTV viewing of college
football. You do as you can and I'll do as I choose.

Ohm my! I now get to actually CHOOSE FOR MYSELF?!?

Yes, within the limited options open to you.

Oh heavenly day, the "Godfather" has allowed me a choice!
I cannot refuse it! :-)

Your stuff died with Vaudeville.

Vaudeville isn't "dead," Godfather. It isn't healthy but
you can find it still going strong in the Catskills. Nu?

Vaudeville is deader than Burns and Allen.

Vaudeville is alive and well but musclebound in the World
Wrestling Federation.

Do you watch the World Wrestling Federation, Len? Who are some of the
song and dance men?

Morse code is alive but unwell...

See, this is what I mean when I say that you make frequent factual
errors. I invite you to tune your Icom receiver to the low ends of the
bands 160-10m this coming weekend.

... dwelling only in the musculeminds...

Musculeminds? What's a muscule? Is that like your miscue on "missle"?
Your noggin must be "musculebound".


...of stubborn, hidebound, self-righteous
old and middle-aged morsemen bound and determined to
force the code test down newcomer's throats until their
code keys are pried out of cold, dead fingers.

You aren't wrapped too tight.

Actually, Len, statistics say that I should be at least a couple of
decades from being done.

Let's say this: You sure as hell aren't rare or medium!

I was rare from Sierra Leone, but not as rare as from Guinea-Bissau.

But you sure aren't well done either. "Steak tartare." :-)

Reflect on the old saying, "there are lies, damn lies, and
statistics." All are connected as equals. :-)

I will be reading your SK notice in the ARRL/NAAR newsletter.

The actuarial tables say that you're likely to be wrong. The League
doesn't publish Silent Key notices in a newsletter. They're published
in QST. I'll likely not see any notice of your passing there.

I will think back on you then.

I guess you told me.

Dave K8MN

wrote


1. The U.S. military gave up using morse code modes for
long-haul HF communications in 1948, longer than a
half century ago. Plain, simple fact.


Plain and simply innaccurate, Len. The US Navy used Morse for long-haul HF
communications with its surface fleets well into the 1960's and with its
submarine fleet into the 1980s from stations NAA (Culter, ME), NLK (Jim Creek,
WA), NPM (Honolulu), NAU (Peurto Rico), and VKE-3 (Northwest Cape, Australia).

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Nov 18, 6:11 pm
wrote:
From: K4YZ on Nov 17, 7:15 pm
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:


Basically, it comes down to the fact that Len thinks he's too good to
have to learn Morse Code - or anything else - for an amateur radio
license.

And that's a plain, simple fact.

Did you know that both Tech classes together constitute almost
HALF of all U.S. amateur radio license grants? True!

Yes, it is!

But let's look at the trend:

On May 14, 2000, those two license classes constituted 49.5% of current
unexpired US amateur radio licenses held by individuals.

On November 15, 2005, those two license classes constituted 48.0% of
current unexpired US amateur radio licenses held by individuals.

The percentage of licenses, as well as the total number of licenses,
held by the combined group of Technicians and Technician Pluses has
dropped considerably in the past 5-1/2 years.

OTOH:

On May 14, 2000, General class licenses constituted 16.7% of current
unexpired US amateur radio licenses held by individuals.

On November 15, 2005, General class licenses constituted 20.4% of
current unexpired US amateur radio licenses held by individuals.

On May 14, 2000, Extra class licenses constituted 11.7% of current
unexpired US amateur radio licenses held by individuals.

On November 15, 2005, Extra class licenses constituted 16.2% of current
unexpired US amateur radio licenses held by individuals.

Sorry, lil Davie, but there was a "comment march" on Washington.
3,786 filings worth on WT Docket 05-235.

And the majority supported at least some code testing.

Tsk, tsk, there are so many NEW things coming up, things
that weren't here before, that there's PLENTY of new
stuff to explore, to experiment with, to fool around with.

And you're not part of them, Len.