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From: on Dec 8, 4:45 pm

K4YZ wrote:
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My point about the whole zoning thing is *not* that Len or his neighbors
did anything "wrong". The point is that they resisted a change that others
wanted, even though the people who wanted it told them it was "progress"
and would be a good thing for the future.

Jimmie, you haven't gotten ONE THING right in this very NON-RADIO
subject! Here's the correct chronology:

1. The residential area where I live was zoned ENTIRELY "R"
standing for single-family residences prior to 1960 when
the first development was started. A 15-acre parcel had
been used for freeway base fill from the decomposed granite
common in these Verdugo Hills; that parcel was also zoned
"R."

So Lennie...In what rock were these zoning ordinances etched that
they could not be changed...?!?!

2. At the time I purchased my house in 1963, the residential
area was half completed up to the next higher cross-street,
that being completed in 1962. The 15-acre parcel remained
vacant, undeveloped.

So Lennie...In what rock were these zoning ordinances etched that
they could not be changed...?!?!

3. By 1973 the remainder of the residential area was fully
developed, all the way to the top, all the way along Glenoaks
Blvd save for one small open area to the still-undeveloped
15-acre parcel.

So Lennie...In what rock were these zoning ordinances etched that
they could not be changed...?!?!

4. About 1988, a contractor-developer purchased the 15-acre
parcel and tried various schemes to rearrange this parcel
which had a maximum elevation difference of about 350 feet.
Well before that year the entire area was fully developed
and inhabited, the only easement being the Lutheran church now
named "All Saints" at the intersection of Lanark and Glenoaks.

So Lennie...In what rock were these zoning ordinances etched that
they could not be changed...?!?!

5. By 1989 the only possible way this first developer could make
any profit at all was to build apartments. Zoning did not
permit apartments so the Zoning Commission was told the
developer he would have to sell the idea to the residents
surrounding that parcel. The first developer tried, using
community meetings at the church. The neighborhood
association opposed that in no uncertain terms.

So Lennie...In what rock were these zoning ordinances etched that
they could not be changed...?!?!

6. In 1990 the matter was brought up for public discussion at
a Zoning Commission open meeting to change the Zoning from
"R" to "R1," the latter designation meaning residential but
multi-family (apartment) structures. The developer
presented his case. The neighborhood association presented
theirs, pointing out that ALL plots surrounding this parcel
were "R." The Zoning Board made some noises saying that
the planned "senior citizen apartments" would be "beneficial
to the community" (none of the Board members lived within
10 miles of this area and knew dink about it first-hand).

So Lennie...In what rock were these zoning ordinances etched that
they could not be changed...?!?!

7. In the next ten years the first developer became a figure in
bribery (guess who of) and he managed to sell it to a second
development firm. NO "senior apartments" had been built but
the first developer had been forced to annually clear the
15 acre parcel of dry brush per fire code. The second
developer got a much better civil engineer and planned for a
walled community of 44 two-story homes (upscale) with full
drainage and streets and utilities underground. That plan
was shown to the neighborhood association in late 2000 but
got no admiration. The association could do nothing since
that did not interfere with the ORIGINAL "R" zoning.

So Lennie...In what rock were these zoning ordinances etched that
they could not be changed...?!?!

8. Earth moving began in early 2001 and continued for 9 months
until the 44 plots could begin building. The amount of
earth moved was somewhere between 220 and 250 thousand
cubic yards. The average size of the plots was a quarter
acre...most are smaller, only the "corner" lots being
as large as a third acre. Sell price began at $500
thousand in 2001, highest being $800 thou. All were sold
before building was completed.

So Lennie...In what rock were these zoning ordinances etched that
they could not be changed...?!?!

Yet Len heaps abuse on those who resist a change in the Amateur Radio
Service rules, even though the people who want the change say
it is "progress" and will be a good thing for the future.

Poor baby, got "abuse" dumped on you?

I'd say that Jim was being rather polite in calling what you heap
on Amateurs as "abuse".

Jimmie, you ignorant little flyweight arguer...(SNIP)

WHOA! There's the pot calling the kettle black!

(UNSNIP)...note the above.
Were there ever anything but RESIDENCES involved? No. At the
time the first developer went for the zoning change, 400 acres
of residences were ALREADY surrounding that empty parcel. Except
for the church (off to one corner), COMPLETELY surrounding that
unused for over 28 years parcel. What "progress" would 44 homes,
all single-family units, have brought to an area ALREADY full of
single-family residences filling 400 acres?

So Lennie...In what rock were these zoning ordinances etched that
they could not be changed...?!?!

Those much-vaunted "senior citizen apartments" were never built.
The payola to convince the Zoning Commission members only enriched
their pockets. The first developer went out of business.

As for the claim that those of us with licenses aren't affected by those
changes in any significant way, note that those who already owned
houses in Sun City aren't really affected by the zoning change of R to
R1 in any really significant way.

Dumb####....(SNIP)

Professional engineer at work.

Fourteen years of college, eh?

Yeah. Right.

I don't live in "Sun City, Arizona."

No kidding.

He didn't say you did.

Where I live is
NOT some "retirement community." Home owner ages range from 30s
(couple across the street from me) to 80s (uphill neighbor) to
50s (two houses below) to 40s (corner house two houses above
me).

Sounds to me like someone knows just a little bit too much about
other people's business.

Of course Len and his neighbors could have bought the land from the
failed developer and thus protected themselves from future development.

Bull####, ignorant ####.

More "professional engineer" at work.

Looks like Lennie's been tipping the Geritol just a bit too hard.

YOU could have gotten the story CORRECT
instead of making up a poor verbal assassination attempt. You
could have at least gotten the suburb NAME correct. My byline
with full surface mail address has been in Ham Radio magazine
enough times...as well as in the FCC ECFS.

We know. ECFS Spam.

Can't you get ANYTHING right?!?

Can't you?

There are NO restrictions on antenna structures in my neighborhood
other than FAA regulations...it is a mile and a half from the
closest part of BUR (Bob Hope Airport in Burbank). Two blocks
uphill from me lives an amateur with an HF beam and some wire
antennas...plus at least three other houses with CB verticals.
Many more satellite broadcast antennas here than ham or CB even
though we have both analog and digital TV cable distribution.

Gee.

All those "non-professionals" enjoying the radio hobbies, and
Lame-ole-Lennie can't do anything but monitor the ATIS at LAX.

Jimmie boy, you TALK a bit too big for not knowing a damn thing
about the subject.

Seems to me he's hitting the right buttons pretty hard, Old Timer.

I must admit it would have been fun to see
you at an association meeting or Zoning Commission meeting talking
FOR changing residence zoning from "R" to "R1" "in the name of
PROGRESS!!!" I'll bet you would have run, cowering in fear of
the irate association members, unable to stand up to grown ups
who were living there FIRST!

Uh huh...

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT .

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

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K4YZ wrote:

WHOA! There's the pot calling the kettle black!

Whoa! Steve writes "raped an old friend" and thinks it's OK.

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K4YZ wrote:

WHOA! There's the pot calling the kettle black!

Whoa! Steve writes "raped an old friend" and thinks it's OK.

Hello? Steve?

Defend it or apologize for it!

On 11 Dec 2005 19:45:35 -0800, wrote:


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K4YZ wrote:

WHOA! There's the pot calling the kettle black!

Whoa! Steve writes "raped an old friend" and thinks it's OK.

Hello? Steve?

Defend it or apologize for it!
don't hold your breth waiting for either to happen
everyone should be advised that The following person
has been advocating the abuse of elders making false charges of child rape, rape in general forges post and name

he may also be making flase reports of abusing other in order to attak and cow his foes
he also shows signs of being dangerously unstable

STEVEN J ROBESON
151 12TH AVE NW
WINCHESTER TN 37398
931-967-6282


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On 10 Dec 2005 15:03:02 -0800, wrote:


K4YZ wrote:

WHOA! There's the pot calling the kettle black!

Whoa! Steve writes "raped an old friend" and thinks it's OK.

stevei think everything he does is ok and nothing anybody else does is
ok
it is the very picture of the word "phyco"

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On 10 Dec 2005 15:03:02 -0800, wrote:


K4YZ wrote:

WHOA! There's the pot calling the kettle black!

Whoa! Steve writes "raped an old friend" and thinks it's OK.

stevei think everything he does is ok and nothing anybody else does is
ok
it is the very picture of the word "phyco"

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