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Pierian Spring December 26th 05 04:43 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
It seems that anyone of those who are involved
in any way with childrens' organisations or with
the inducing of children to tackle the kindergarten
entrance examination (that is represented by
the 6-year-olds' qualification of the M3/CB Fools'
Licence) exhibit behavioural traits - infantile
outbursts, deliberately insulting tirades and
vicious temper tantrums - that one would expect only
from the children in their care.

Is it time for all _REAL_ Radio Hams to refuse
to have anything to do with such mental derangees
and their charges, and institute an age bar, perhaps
16-years-old, below which we will not associate in any
way?

Only then, by making it clear that young children are
not, and cannot be in any way, part of the society
of adult technocrats that is Radio Hammery will be be
able to influence them not to attempt to join us until
they have achieved maturity?

Word will soon get around if children who have been
conned by the various Billies-No_Mates into going
for the M3/CB fools' Licence find that no-one will
speak to them.


KØHB December 26th 05 04:54 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

"Pierian Spring" wrote


Is it time for all _REAL_ Radio Hams to refuse
to have anything to do with such mental derangees
and their charges, and institute an age bar, perhaps
16-years-old, below which we will not associate in any
way?

Only then, by making it clear that young children are
not, and cannot be in any way, part of the society
of adult technocrats that is Radio Hammery will be be
able to influence them not to attempt to join us until
they have achieved maturity?


A pommie version of Len Anderson!

Beep beep
Happy Boxer Day

de Hans, K0HB






[email protected] December 26th 05 04:57 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

Pierian Spring wrote:
Word will soon get around if children who have been
conned by the various Billies-No_Mates into going
for the M3/CB fools' Licence find that no-one will
speak to them.


The only Billy No-Mates around here is you, you pathetic loser.

Mike G4KFK


jim.gm4dhj December 26th 05 04:59 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

"Pierian Spring" wrote in message
oups.com...
It seems that anyone of those who are involved
in any way with childrens' organisations or with
the inducing of children to tackle the kindergarten
entrance examination (that is represented by
the 6-year-olds' qualification of the M3/CB Fools'
Licence) exhibit behavioural traits - infantile
outbursts, deliberately insulting tirades and
vicious temper tantrums - that one would expect only
from the children in their care.

Is it time for all _REAL_ Radio Hams to refuse
to have anything to do with such mental derangees
and their charges, and institute an age bar, perhaps
16-years-old, below which we will not associate in any
way?

Only then, by making it clear that young children are
not, and cannot be in any way, part of the society
of adult technocrats that is Radio Hammery will be be
able to influence them not to attempt to join us until
they have achieved maturity?

Word will soon get around if children who have been
conned by the various Billies-No_Mates into going
for the M3/CB fools' Licence find that no-one will
speak to them.

Agreed......



realradioham December 26th 05 05:02 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
OK I'm standing, what can we do? the problem is not the M3's but the system
that let this farce happen. I don't agree with your sentiment that all M3's
are freeloaders, that may have been the case when first introduced but not
now. The only way into the hobby is via the new 3 step licensing but there
is no real incentive to advance, a two year limit creating the provisional
M3 licence would be a start - restriction of bands as in the good old us of
a would be another.

rrh
"Pierian Spring" wrote in message
oups.com...
It seems that anyone of those who are involved
in any way with childrens' organisations or with
the inducing of children to tackle the kindergarten
entrance examination (that is represented by
the 6-year-olds' qualification of the M3/CB Fools'
Licence) exhibit behavioural traits - infantile
outbursts, deliberately insulting tirades and
vicious temper tantrums - that one would expect only
from the children in their care.

Is it time for all _REAL_ Radio Hams to refuse
to have anything to do with such mental derangees
and their charges, and institute an age bar, perhaps
16-years-old, below which we will not associate in any
way?

Only then, by making it clear that young children are
not, and cannot be in any way, part of the society
of adult technocrats that is Radio Hammery will be be
able to influence them not to attempt to join us until
they have achieved maturity?

Word will soon get around if children who have been
conned by the various Billies-No_Mates into going
for the M3/CB fools' Licence find that no-one will
speak to them.




wankel December 26th 05 05:06 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

wrote in message
oups.com...

Pierian Spring wrote:
Word will soon get around if children who have been
conned by the various Billies-No_Mates into going
for the M3/CB fools' Licence find that no-one will
speak to them.


The only Billy No-Mates around here is you, you pathetic loser.

Mike G4KFK

..Me thinks maybe too much attention was given him from the bell ringing
clergy when he was a younger child. Now that he is an older child he is in
denial.



Pierian Spring December 26th 05 05:11 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
Mr.D.Lawson continues to demonstrate an infantile psyche.....

wankel wrote:
.Me thinks maybe too much attention was given him from the bell ringing
clergy when he was a younger child. Now that he is an older child he is in
denial.



pointyhead December 26th 05 05:22 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
Pierian Spring wrote:

Is it time for all _REAL_ Radio Hams to refuse
to have anything to do with such mental derangees
and their charges, and institute an age bar, perhaps
16-years-old, below which we will not associate in any
way?


Too complicated OM. Just refuse to have anything to do with any M3,
works fine for me.

--
Proud Holder of Old Nick's Deputy First Class Badge

jim.gm4dhj December 26th 05 05:31 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

"pointyhead" wrote in message
...
Pierian Spring wrote:

Is it time for all _REAL_ Radio Hams to refuse
to have anything to do with such mental derangees
and their charges, and institute an age bar, perhaps
16-years-old, below which we will not associate in any
way?


Too complicated OM. Just refuse to have anything to do with any M3,
works fine for me.

--
Proud Holder of Old Nick's Deputy First Class Badge


me too......



AmateurCB December 26th 05 07:51 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
"Pierian Spring" wrote in message
oups.com...
It seems that anyone of those who are involved ...


The difference between licence categories is now merely a sop to the few
hams who still retain their licences and want to pull-up-the-ladder behind
them in a pathetic attempt to feel superior. This is what you have just said
this in several paragraphs, but my one brief sentence says it more plainly.

Having several licence classes from CB upwards (is that the right word?) is
an administrative nonsense. Ofcom has already realised this, aided greatly
by RSGB's incompetent bungling in trying to maintain its jobs.

The arbitary categories ARE on the way out, regardless of what you or I may
say about it. We have only to wait and see.



zYYPK December 26th 05 08:54 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
"Pierian Spring" wrote:



time?

it was time long ago.

i'm glad to say that my VALID qsl card 'box' remains free of any
undesirable hf contacts.



zYYPK December 26th 05 08:56 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
"AmateurCB" wrote:

"Pierian Spring" wrote in message
oups.com...
It seems that anyone of those who are involved ...


The difference between licence categories is now merely a sop to the few
hams who still retain their licences and want to pull-up-the-ladder behind
them in a pathetic attempt to feel superior. This is what you have just said
this in several paragraphs, but my one brief sentence says it more plainly.

Having several licence classes from CB upwards (is that the right word?) is
an administrative nonsense. Ofcom has already realised this, aided greatly
by RSGB's incompetent bungling in trying to maintain its jobs.

The arbitary categories ARE on the way out, regardless of what you or I may
say about it. We have only to wait and see.



hmmm....





- - - - - - - - - -

From: "Brian Reay"
Subject: FULL DETAILS OF NEW LICENCE PROPOSALS ON RA SITE
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:58:32 +0100

The new announced is totally irrational and, at last, finally exposes the
nonsense of the morse requirement. A Foundation Licensee could no way learn
morse to 5wpm (as well as the other material) in a weekend BUT he will be
let loose on HF. A far better qualified B licensee is denied access because
morse is required for HF access!

Michael Garner-Superlative December 26th 05 09:08 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
Indeed, and why is it when we observe the
anti-social trends in M3/CB Fools' Licences,
that trend follows the infantile and abusive
histories of those in this NG who have indicated
that thet are part of the training schemes, the Reays,
Gathergoods and Preeces of this world?

Are the L.I.A.R.'s of this world responsible for more
than just technical decline?

Pierian Spring wrote:
It seems that anyone of those who are involved
in any way with childrens' organisations or with
the inducing of children to tackle the kindergarten
entrance examination (that is represented by
the 6-year-olds' qualification of the M3/CB Fools'
Licence) exhibit behavioural traits - infantile
outbursts, deliberately insulting tirades and
vicious temper tantrums - that one would expect only
from the children in their care.



huLLy December 26th 05 09:19 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
Michael Garner-Superlative wrote:
Indeed, and why is it when we observe the
anti-social trends in M3/CB Fools' Licences,
that trend follows the infantile and abusive
histories of those in this NG who have indicated
that thet are part of the training schemes, the Reays,
Gathergoods and Preeces of this world?

Are the L.I.A.R.'s of this world responsible for more
than just technical decline?

Pierian Spring wrote:
It seems that anyone of those who are involved
in any way with childrens' organisations or with
the inducing of children to tackle the kindergarten
entrance examination (that is represented by
the 6-year-olds' qualification of the M3/CB Fools'
Licence) exhibit behavioural traits - infantile
outbursts, deliberately insulting tirades and
vicious temper tantrums - that one would expect only
from the children in their care.


Why are you answering your own question?

--
huLLy
Tel: 07976 123278
ICQ 136-987-925



[email protected] December 27th 05 12:22 AM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

Gareth Alun Evans (G4SDW) wrote:
You are hoist by your own petard.


Nah - that's not being hoisted by one's own petard.

When you bang on about youngsters starting at the entry level into the
hobby, referring to them as "retards", and then someone reminds you
that you had a G8 callsign for 12 years and that you were already an
adult when you received it .... that's being hoisted by your own
petard.

When you bang on about the gentlemanly traditions of amateur radio,
then someone reminds you that you were arrested for harassment ....
that's being hoisted by your own petard.

When you bang on about amateur radio being a technical pursuit, then
someone reminds you that you tried to flog an FT101E because you
couldn't tune it up without written instructions ..... that's being
hoisted by your own petard.

73
Mike G4KFK


huLLy December 27th 05 12:25 AM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
wrote:
Gareth Alun Evans (G4SDW) wrote:
You are hoist by your own petard.


Nah - that's not being hoisted by one's own petard.

When you bang on about youngsters starting at the entry level into the
hobby, referring to them as "retards", and then someone reminds you
that you had a G8 callsign for 12 years and that you were already an
adult when you received it .... that's being hoisted by your own
petard.

When you bang on about the gentlemanly traditions of amateur radio,
then someone reminds you that you were arrested for harassment ....
that's being hoisted by your own petard.

When you bang on about amateur radio being a technical pursuit, then
someone reminds you that you tried to flog an FT101E because you
couldn't tune it up without written instructions ..... that's being
hoisted by your own petard.

73
Mike G4KFK


Well written.

So there you have it. Gareth Evans, the worlds first Retard Petard!

--
huLLy
Tel: 07976 123278
ICQ 136-987-925



[email protected] December 27th 05 12:32 AM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

huLLy wrote:
Why are you answering your own question?


"Mike Garner-Superlative" and "Font Of All Knowledge" are just two more
of Gareth's alternative personalities. I have a feeling we'll meet some
more of them before the end of the Christmas holidays.

Give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself. Give Gareth enough
bandwidth, and he'll talk himself into a padded cell.

73
Mike G4KFK


Jim Hampton December 27th 05 01:07 AM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
An interesting thought

I was just turning 15 in 1962 when I obtained my novice license (WN2CJV). A
few years later, I obtained my general (WB2OSP). I obtained my extra class
ticket along with my 1st phone and 2nd telegraph (too young for my 1st plus
needed 6 months shipboard experience) along with my radar endorsement in
1966.

I would gently suggest not a change in years, but a reasonable test for the
licenses. I disliked Morse at first, but ended up copying 40 words per
minute perfect copy in Bainbridge, MD. for the U.S. Navy on a manual
typewriter. For someone who disliked the code, I would suggest that 15 or
20 words per minute is not unreasonable.

As to theory, methinks that one should be able to solve something other than
simple series/parallel circuits (multiple seats of voltage in a complex
circuit) for their extra.

That aside, there should be a fairly simple exam to allow folks easy
entrance into amateur radio. No need for Morse and there should be limited
HF allocations.

Just my thoughts.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"Pierian Spring" wrote in message
oups.com...
It seems that anyone of those who are involved
in any way with childrens' organisations or with
the inducing of children to tackle the kindergarten
entrance examination (that is represented by
the 6-year-olds' qualification of the M3/CB Fools'
Licence) exhibit behavioural traits - infantile
outbursts, deliberately insulting tirades and
vicious temper tantrums - that one would expect only
from the children in their care.

Is it time for all _REAL_ Radio Hams to refuse
to have anything to do with such mental derangees
and their charges, and institute an age bar, perhaps
16-years-old, below which we will not associate in any
way?

Only then, by making it clear that young children are
not, and cannot be in any way, part of the society
of adult technocrats that is Radio Hammery will be be
able to influence them not to attempt to join us until
they have achieved maturity?

Word will soon get around if children who have been
conned by the various Billies-No_Mates into going
for the M3/CB fools' Licence find that no-one will
speak to them.




an_old_friend December 27th 05 06:45 AM

who realy peed in polymath cheerios?
 

wrote:
huLLy wrote:
Why are you answering your own question?


"Mike Garner-Superlative" and "Font Of All Knowledge" are just two more
of Gareth's alternative personalities. I have a feeling we'll meet some
more of them before the end of the Christmas holidays.

Give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself. Give Gareth enough
bandwidth, and he'll talk himself into a padded cell.


only if the standard is much lower than in the USA

73
Mike G4KFK



The Font Of All Knowledge And Wisdom December 27th 05 07:15 AM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
Once again you respond with infantile outbursts
whose purpose is to cause offence.

Shame on you.

The issues you sneer at below have been well
covered - and answered - already and, despite
your somewhat infantile intentions do not
cause offence in the way that you intend;
they only cause amusement to those of
us who are the adults and gentlemen
of Ham Radio- amusement that you
continue to represent yourself as
a maladjusted infant.

As to the issue of harassment, I will cover that
once again. I have contributed to this NG for
a number of years and have consistently
supported my view of what is Ham Radio, and have
done that without indulging in the sorts of behaviours
that are out of place with those associate with the
scouts such as you exhibit below. For some reason,
those from the gutter who should not be associated
in any way with children (such as yourself below) choose
to pick on me and proceed to illustrate very well what is
the difference between those in the hobby (CB Radio) and
those in the adult technical pursuit (Ham Radio). One
such childish degenerate, Brian Reay, G8OSN / M3OSN
subjected me over a number of years to a grossly offensive
series of infantile and abusive tirades in which he accused me
of sheep shagging, said that my wife was a sheep next to
me in the bed, made rude comments about my children,
repeated accused me of drinking methylated spirit and
capped it all by posting publicly that he was deliberately
harassing me and trying to wind me up. I discovered that
when he was demonstrating so publicly his sexual deviation
and obsession with sheep shagging that he was under training
to be a teacher at a girls' school in Dartford, Kent and my
indignation at his one-sided socially-maladjusted campaign
boiled ove rand I suggested, in the best traditions of
public responsibility that his sexual deviation made him
unsuited to being a schoolteacher. Brian Reay's infantile
psyche could not take having the tables turned on him
and he made a deliberately misleading and perjurous
complaint to the plods to claim that I was harassing him
rather than the other way around. The We'll ****e (All
Over You) plods have lng had a campaign of harassment
against me and took Brian Reay at his word, did not
check the evidence (Especially the popsts by Brian Reay
admitting to a campaign of harassment) came to arrest me
in force, kicking me in the face. Now you really ought
to know that it is not an arrest that indicates wickedness,
especially when the matter is dropped for lack of
evidence and without charges being indicted. However, your
infantile disposition and desperate need to cause offence
will not be bothered by a small detail like the truth, will it.
The trial of the plod Richard Fuller for assault is now
scheduled for the 8th Feb at 10:00 AM at Chippenham.

wrote:
Gareth Alun Evans (G4SDW) wrote:
You are hoist by your own petard.


Nah - that's not being hoisted by one's own petard.

When you bang on about youngsters starting at the entry level into the
hobby, referring to them as "retards", and then someone reminds you
that you had a G8 callsign for 12 years and that you were already an
adult when you received it .... that's being hoisted by your own
petard.

When you bang on about the gentlemanly traditions of amateur radio,
then someone reminds you that you were arrested for harassment ....
that's being hoisted by your own petard.

When you bang on about amateur radio being a technical pursuit, then
someone reminds you that you tried to flog an FT101E because you
couldn't tune it up without written instructions ..... that's being
hoisted by your own petard.

73
Mike G4KFK



The Font Of All Knowledge And Wisdom December 27th 05 07:19 AM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
I wonder why it is, that having revealed that you are an
adult associated with scouting, that all your contributions
to Usenet have been rather silly and childish, such as the
childish outburst below?

Is there a general concern that the populace of Britland
should have about adults who are associated with childrens'
organisations and who go out of their way to seek association
with children?

wrote:

Give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself. Give Gareth enough
bandwidth, and he'll talk himself into a padded cell.



The Font Of All Knowledge And Wisdom December 27th 05 07:27 AM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
I think that it is important that we do not fall into the
trap of equivocating over the term, "Novice" - the Novice
licence as it existed in Yankland in those days was
a more advanced technical and constructional standard
than the Novice Licence that ever existed in Britland and
the "Birth Certificate" that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence.

Jim Hampton wrote:
An interesting thought

I was just turning 15 in 1962 when I obtained my novice license (WN2CJV).



jim.gm4dhj December 27th 05 09:01 AM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 


Just my thoughts.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


I admired the old US licensing regime with the advanced licence requiring
20wpm......I had a blind American friend K1HBJ/GM5BKJ and 20 wpm was no
problem to him.....but those days have passed and all is lost.....



Spike December 27th 05 09:52 AM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

wrote:

"Mike Garner-Superlative" and "Font Of All Knowledge" are just two more
of Gareth's alternative personalities. I have a feeling we'll meet some
more of them before the end of the Christmas holidays.

Give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself. Give Gareth enough
bandwidth, and he'll talk himself into a padded cell.


You might not be familiar with the 'fettled casting' incident on
uk.rec.models.engineering a couple of years or so ago.

An amazing thread, concerning a casting bought at a show, which at
some point was fettled.

The complianant - no prizes! - exhibited a strange approach to
Customer Relations, allegedly faulty goods, returns policies, consumer
law, etc, but also kept changing his name in the thread. The reasons
can only be guessed at, but one result is to avoid kill filters.

The day's expenses were £25 petrol, £8-50 entry, £126 for the kit; 7
hours driving for the round trip.

However, in the end the 7.5 lb casting wound up in the dustbin, as the
OP couldn't be bothered to take it to the PO to send it off for a
refund. And this is the guy who complained of a University employee
wasting taxpayers money by sending an email three minutes after cop,
and which therefore must have been written during works time. The VC
appears to have told him to combine sex and travel (or words to that
effect).

The fettled casting incident can be found here; pour yourself a scotch
or three and enjoy the tortured logic:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.models.engineering/browse_thread/thread/ac866c5299fcd1aa/0cbfa48834da1d4a?lnk=st&q=blackgates+casting+group %3Auk.rec.models.engineering&rnum=2&hl=en#0cbfa488 34da1d4a


from
Aero Spike

huLLy December 27th 05 10:17 AM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
Spike wrote:

The fettled casting incident can be found here; pour yourself a scotch
or three and enjoy the tortured logic:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.models.engineering/browse_thread/thread/ac866c5299fcd1aa/0cbfa48834da1d4a?lnk=st&q=blackgates+casting+group %3Auk.rec.models.engineering&rnum=2&hl=en#0cbfa488 34da1d4a



Lol, that was great! How inept can you get? I especially liked:

"You are mind-boggling in your sheer and utter moronic stupidity - even
a ten year old kid knows to take his gameboy back to the shop if it
doesn't work. "

A prefect analysis of Gareth Evans, if ever I saw one!

Copied to Blackgates for their amusement.
--
huLLy
Tel: 07976 123278
ICQ 136-987-925



Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI December 27th 05 11:08 AM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
on 27/12/2005 07:15 The Font Of All Ignorance And Stupidity slurred
drunkenly in the following manner:
crap snipped
rather than the other way around. The We'll ****e (All
Over You) plods have lng had a campaign of harassment
against me and took ***** **** at his word, ...

loads more crap snipped
and why do you think they singled _YOU_ out for this alleged 'campaign
of harassment'?
....(_!_)...

\ |
o__ __\o o |o
| | /| |
/|\ / \ //|\ /|\

Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI December 27th 05 11:10 AM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
on 27/12/2005 09:52 Spike said the following:
wrote:


"Mike Garner-Superlative" and "Font Of All Knowledge" are just two more
of Gareth's alternative personalities. I have a feeling we'll meet some
more of them before the end of the Christmas holidays.

Give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself. Give Gareth enough
bandwidth, and he'll talk himself into a padded cell.



You might not be familiar with the 'fettled casting' incident on
uk.rec.models.engineering a couple of years or so ago.

An amazing thread, concerning a casting bought at a show, which at
some point was fettled.

The complianant - no prizes! - exhibited a strange approach to
Customer Relations, allegedly faulty goods, returns policies, consumer
law, etc, but also kept changing his name in the thread. The reasons
can only be guessed at, but one result is to avoid kill filters.

The day's expenses were £25 petrol, £8-50 entry, £126 for the kit; 7
hours driving for the round trip.

However, in the end the 7.5 lb casting wound up in the dustbin, as the
OP couldn't be bothered to take it to the PO to send it off for a
refund. And this is the guy who complained of a University employee
wasting taxpayers money by sending an email three minutes after cop,
and which therefore must have been written during works time. The VC
appears to have told him to combine sex and travel (or words to that
effect).

The fettled casting incident can be found here; pour yourself a scotch
or three and enjoy the tortured logic:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.models.engineering/browse_thread/thread/ac866c5299fcd1aa/0cbfa48834da1d4a?lnk=st&q=blackgates+casting+group %3Auk.rec.models.engineering&rnum=2&hl=en#0cbfa488 34da1d4a


from
Aero Spike

A gem I remember from that incident was his statement that 'any Company
that operates a Returns Department admits to selling shoddy goods'!
You couldn't make it up!
--
;-)
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
http://turner-smith.co.uk

Spike December 27th 05 11:32 AM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI wrote:

on 27/12/2005 09:52 Spike said the following:

The fettled casting incident can be found here; pour yourself a scotch
or three and enjoy the tortured logic:


http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.models.engineering/browse_thread/thread/ac866c5299fcd1aa/0cbfa48834da1d4a?lnk=st&q=blackgates+casting+group %3Auk.rec.models.engineering&rnum=2&hl=en#0cbfa488 34da1d4a


A gem I remember from that incident was his statement that 'any Company
that operates a Returns Department admits to selling shoddy goods'!

You couldn't make it up!


ROFL!

Unfortunately, Frank, someone *did* make it up....as they went along,
I guess!

from
Aero Spike

EL84 December 27th 05 11:44 AM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

"huLLy" wrote in message
...
Spike wrote:

The fettled casting incident can be found here; pour yourself a scotch
or three and enjoy the tortured logic:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.models.engineering/browse_thread/thread/ac866c5299fcd1aa/0cbfa48834da1d4a?lnk=st&q=blackgates+casting+group %3Auk.rec.models.engineering&rnum=2&hl=en#0cbfa488 34da1d4a

Oh dear, he has a serious reality problem (but we all know that). The thread
was that amusing its been posted to several radio forums, complete with his
contact information.



Spike December 27th 05 12:46 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

huLLy wrote:

Spike wrote:

The fettled casting incident can be found here; pour yourself a scotch
or three and enjoy the tortured logic:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.models.engineering/browse_thread/thread/ac866c5299fcd1aa/0cbfa48834da1d4a?lnk=st&q=blackgates+casting+group %3Auk.rec.models.engineering&rnum=2&hl=en#0cbfa488 34da1d4a


Lol, that was great! How inept can you get?


That wasn't the only thread on the topic. Try the opening post of this
thread; it's an incisive poem (how appropriate!) written by Stephen
Howard:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.models.engineering/browse_thread/thread/53171b7f44a1bf3f/38e9b519f1b62f0b?lnk=st&q=%22or+did+he+just+****+i t%22+group%3Auk.rec.models.engineering&rnum=1&hl=e n#38e9b519f1b62f0b

Enjoy!


from
Aero Spike

EL84 December 27th 05 12:54 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

"Spike" wrote in message
...

huLLy wrote:

Spike wrote:

The fettled casting incident can be found here; pour yourself a scotch
or three and enjoy the tortured logic:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.models.engineering/browse_thread/thread/ac866c5299fcd1aa/0cbfa48834da1d4a?lnk=st&q=blackgates+casting+group %3Auk.rec.models.engineering&rnum=2&hl=en#0cbfa488 34da1d4a


Lol, that was great! How inept can you get?


That wasn't the only thread on the topic. Try the opening post of this
thread; it's an incisive poem (how appropriate!) written by Stephen
Howard:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.models.engineering/browse_thread/thread/53171b7f44a1bf3f/38e9b519f1b62f0b?lnk=st&q=%22or+did+he+just+****+i t%22+group%3Auk.rec.models.engineering&rnum=1&hl=e n#38e9b519f1b62f0b

Enjoy!


from
Aero Spike

ROTFLMAO..to quote from the poem "Airy of Bean, his knees all a quiver" now
that proves he was a choirboy.



The Magnum December 27th 05 01:08 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

// snip //

and have consistently
supported my view of what is Ham Radio, and have
done that without indulging in the sorts of behaviours
that are out of place with those associate with the
scouts such as you exhibit below. For some reason,
those from the gutter who should not be associated
in any way with children (such as yourself below) choose
to pick on me and proceed to illustrate very well what is
the difference between those in the hobby (CB Radio) and
those in the adult technical pursuit (Ham Radio).


CB and Amateur radio are both "hobbies". CB is nowhere near as sophisticated
and held in such high regard as Amateur radio but it is a "hobby"
nontheless.

Here are a few examples of this...

From the ARRL Website,

Here's your invitation to a friendly, high-tech **hobby** that's got
something fun for
everyone! You can become an Amateur Radio operator--no matter what age,
gender or
physical ability. People from all walks of life pass their entry-level exam
and earn
their Amateur (ham) Radio license. They all share the diverse world of
activities you
can explore with ham radio.

From Wikipedia, the olnline encyclopedia,

Amateur radio, often called ham radio, is a **hobby** enjoyed by many people
throughout
the world. An amateur radio operator, ham, or radio amateur uses two-way
radio to
communicate with other radio amateurs, for recreation or self-edification.

From www.101science.com,

INTRODUCTION: You can learn more about amateur radio at the American Radio
Relay League
web site. Want to know what this HAM radio stuff is all about in plain
language? Then
be sure to check the GETTING STARTED page. It includes information on how
to become an
FCC licensed amateur radio operator. For specific licensing information
click HERE.
Amateur radio as a **hobby** has many different aspects. This is one of the
things that makes
amateur radio so wonderful. There are a variety of activities for
everyone; men, women,
and boys and girls.

From eHam.net,

Welcome to the Guide to Amateur Radio for new hams. Whether you are a new
ham radio
operator or are interested in getting into the exciting amateur radio
**hobby** these pages
can be helpful as you explore the many opportunities of Amateur Radio.

From Don Irving, www.irving.org/hamradio/,

Amateur Radio, also called ham radio, is an extensive **hobby** that can be
used for world-wide
communications or for chatting with friends across a parking lot. There are
even gateways
between ham radio and the Internet. There are tons of fun things you can do!

All in all, everyone except a few people from this newsgroup see it as
something more than a hobby. It can be a technical and very advanced hobby
but it remains still a hobby. Why do people disagree and get so upset with
this word?

As most people see it, CB is a Hobby, Amateur is a technical Hobby.

As for the personal abuse you have been getting I think that's more to do
with your attitude and approach to others. I find, in general, if your
polite to people they are polite in reply. If you are arrogant and
dismissive in your attitude you will upset some people who will have a go
back at you in the same manner. I have cut previous posts short in this
newsgroup, not because I have lost the argument but because it's pointless
continuing as the other person has no interest in your point of view (your
as in whoever the poster may be) and is only looking for a one-upmanship
argument (for want of a better word) which benefits no-one and in itself is
a "childish" activity. Baiting people to lose their temper as some do is
also a "childish" thing to do and shouldn't exist in a "Gentleman's Hobby".

I know a few of you don't want to hear this but next year im going to be
taking my M3 licence to talk legally on 2 metres so keep a listen out for
me. I will post my nice new M3 callsign in here when it happens.

Look after yourself during the holidays and a Happy New Year to all,
Graham
--
-.-. -... / .-. .- -.. .. ---

Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73/51 - Graham, 26-Golf Charlie-19 (www.open-channel.co.uk)



The Magnum December 27th 05 01:22 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
Word will soon get around if children who have been
conned by the various Billies-No_Mates into going
for the M3/CB fools' Licence find that no-one will
speak to them.

Agreed......


Just a point to note, before CB came along people who headed the direction
of Amateur radio were classed as " Billy No Mates". Now it seems this phrase
has been re-directed.
As for no-one speaking to them, you should have put no-one like yourself
would speak to them as there are plenty of welcoming souls on the Amateur
bands who welcome all who are genuine in the Hobby.

That said I do agree, unless supervised, youngsters shouldn't be allowed on
air. But then again who am I to impose my thoughts on people. 6 year old
seems ridiculously young to consider able to manage a radio station whatever
their intellectual level.

Regards,
Graham
--
-.-. -... / .-. .- -.. .. ---

Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73/51 - Graham, 26-Golf Charlie-19 (www.open-channel.co.uk)



Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI December 27th 05 01:31 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand? (take 2)
 
on 27/12/2005 07:15 The Font Of All Ignorance And Stupidity slurred
drunkenly in the following manner:
crap snipped

rather than the other way around. The We'll ****e (All
Over You) plods have lng had a campaign of harassment
against me and took ***** **** at his word, ...


loads more crap snipped
and why do you think they singled _YOU_ out for this alleged 'campaign
of harassment'?
....(_!_)...
FOAD



The Magnum December 27th 05 01:46 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

"jim.gm4dhj" wrote in message
...


Just my thoughts.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


I admired the old US licensing regime with the advanced licence requiring
20wpm......I had a blind American friend K1HBJ/GM5BKJ and 20 wpm was no
problem to him.....but those days have passed and all is lost.....


Theres still the full licence to aim for. That takes a keen knowledge of
Morse does it not, so its still there for those that aspire to it. As for
being blind, as Pointyhead said (I think it was him) its learned through
hearing and used like a language. It doesn't require sight (apart to see
maybe what frequency he/she is transmitting on) so being blind could even
be considered an advantage.

Regards,
Graham
--
-.-. -... / .-. .- -.. .. ---

Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73/51 - Graham, 26-Golf Charlie-19





Gfour December 27th 05 01:55 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

"Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI" wrote in message
...
on 27/12/2005 07:15 The Font Of All Ignorance And Stupidity slurred
drunkenly in the following manner:
crap snipped
rather than the other way around. The We'll ****e (All
Over You) plods have lng had a campaign of harassment
against me and took ***** **** at his word, ...

loads more crap snipped
and why do you think they singled _YOU_ out for this alleged 'campaign of
harassment'?

Be careful when parking in Chippenham, especially in Hardens Close. The
space outside number 13 seems to be in regular use by plod wagons.



The Font Of All Knowledge And Wisdom December 27th 05 10:19 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
A number of the posts that have been quoted as this
thread has developed seem to serve to re-inforce the
OP, and to justify a repeat of the OP.....

Pierian Spring wrote:
It seems that anyone of those who are involved
in any way with childrens' organisations or with
the inducing of children to tackle the kindergarten
entrance examination (that is represented by
the 6-year-olds' qualification of the M3/CB Fools'
Licence) exhibit behavioural traits - infantile
outbursts, deliberately insulting tirades and
vicious temper tantrums - that one would expect only
from the children in their care.

Is it time for all _REAL_ Radio Hams to refuse
to have anything to do with such mental derangees
and their charges, and institute an age bar, perhaps
16-years-old, below which we will not associate in any
way?

Only then, by making it clear that young children are
not, and cannot be in any way, part of the society
of adult technocrats that is Radio Hammery will be be
able to influence them not to attempt to join us until
they have achieved maturity?

Word will soon get around if children who have been
conned by the various Billies-No_Mates into going
for the M3/CB fools' Licence find that no-one will
speak to them.



The Magnum December 27th 05 10:29 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 
"The Font Of All Knowledge And Wisdom" wrote in
message ups.com...
A number of the posts that have been quoted as this
thread has developed seem to serve to re-inforce the
OP, and to justify a repeat of the OP.....


Sorry to say it Mr Font but..... radio Amateurs will soon no longer exist.
Amateur band is the new CB so you need to move to another hobby to make way
for us. Try flower arranging, im sure it will calm you down .

Regards,
Graham (having an "oh so childish" outburst)

--
-.-. -... / .-. .- -.. .. ---

Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73/51 - Graham, 26-Golf Charlie-19



[email protected] December 27th 05 10:34 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

Spike wrote:
The fettled casting incident can be found here; pour yourself a scotch
or three and enjoy the tortured logic:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.models.engineering/browse_thread/thread/ac866c5299fcd1aa/0cbfa48834da1d4a?lnk=st&q=blackgates+casting+group %3Auk.rec.models.engineering&rnum=2&hl=en#0cbfa488 34da1d4a


from
Aero Spike


Absolutely hysterical, but I don't believe Gareth wrote any of that,
and here's why. In his regular drivelXXXXX sorry FAQ, he always writes:
"Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who are interested in the
science of radio wave propagation and who are also interested in the
way that their radios function. It has a long-standing tradition of
providing a source of engineers who are born naturals."

But the person who so publicly demonstrated his stupidity in that
thread stated from the outset: "Incidentally, it was not I who pointed
out the error, but a qualified engineer who was also thinking of buying
one"

Gareth, as we all know, is a "real radio ham", so why would he need to
get the opinion of a qualified engineer?

Must've been somebody else, Shirley?

73
Mike G4KFK


[email protected] December 27th 05 10:37 PM

Time for the _REAL_ Radio Ham to make a stand?
 

The Font Of All Knowledge And Wisdom wrote:
A number of the posts that have been quoted as this
thread has developed seem to serve to re-inforce the
OP, and to justify a repeat of the OP.....


If you really believe in what you say, why won't you put your real name
and callsign to it? Why all these pompous pseudonyms?

73
Mike G4KFK



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