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Another License Idea
wrote Deciding that the power level of 50 W is acceptable for Class B, but 100 W is not, is just a matter of judgement. It's the same kind of judgement as saying that 3500-3525 kHz is not allowed for all license classes. Not the same at all, Jim. There is a clear safety advantage to lower power for less experienced users, especially if you don't have a strenuous examination of safety issues. As you have stated yourself, there is absolutely no fundamental difference between operating at 3524 vs 3526, obviating any rational regulatory reason for carving up the bands to provide private reservations for higher class licensees. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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Another License Idea
"Frank Gilliland" wrote So what you're -really- talking about are low-power and a high-power license classes? Same like now, only more so....... Three power levels.... Three frequency sets.... Longer clunkier calls for lower grades.... Beep beep de Hans, K0HB |
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Another License Idea
KØHB wrote: "Frank Gilliland" wrote So what you're -really- talking about are low-power and a high-power license classes? Same like now, only more so....... Three power levels.... Three frequency sets.... Longer clunkier calls for lower grades.... Not interested. |
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Another License Idea
From: on Dec 30, 5:56 pm
wrote: Reposted and updated slightly: 1) Three classes of license: Basic, Intermediate, Full (change the names if you don't like them - Third, Second, First, Novice, General, Extra, whatever) Brian, the best Jimmie can come up with is just warmed-over EXISTING regulations with a slightly different bit of cosmetic changing. Note: There are only THREE license classes granted NOW. 2) HF/MF bands split into subbands by mode and split again by license class. Some bands (30 meters) may be split by mode only. Bottom of each band is CW only, middle is CW/digital, top is CW/phone/image. Percentage division about 20%/30%/50% (varies with band). "Digital" includes digital voice modes if bandwidth under 1 kHz. Farf. There's BANDPLANS now, splitting "the bands" by mode AND class. 3) "Basic" license test is simple 20-25 question exam on regs, procedures, and safety. Very little technical and RF exposure 4) "Intermediate" license test is more complex 50-60 question exam on regs, procedures, safety and technical stuff. Intermediates get 300-400 watts on all bands, all modes. Intermediates can be 5) "Full" license test is quite complex 100-120 question exam on regs, procedures, safety and technical stuff. Mostly technical, More Farf. Cosmetic changes to classes that exist NOW. 6) All licenses are 10 year and fully renewable/modifiable. No age requirements or limits. NO change at all. Status quo-ism. 7) Basics have six-character calls, Intermediates have five- or six-character calls, and Fulls have four-, five-, or six-character calls. Nobody has to give up an existing callsign. Be absolutely SURE that the lowest class is readily identifiable as the LOWEST one. Tsk, can't have those nasty "beginners" messing up the playground! 8) Separate 30-35 question test for VE qualification, open to Intermediates and Fulls, which allows them to be VEs. Existing VEs are grandfathered. Oh my, something NEW! "Unbeliegable," said Arte Johnson. So, "what was WRONG with the present system" that it needs this spay-shull "test" to proctor a license exam...with the answers readily available to them and NO need to make any decisions such as on schematics or essay questions? Geez, privatization in testing has been going on a LONG time without any specific "testing of the VEs." End result is a system that is easy to get into (Basic is envisioned as a 21st century version of the Novice) and has reasonable but meaningful steps to reach full privileges. The Novice class was a numbers failure. That's apparent to most folks other than Jimmie. With a ONE-class license plus the ONCE-only "entry" license it is EASIER than the above regurgitated existing system. WHY is there a "privilege" system at all NOW? To keep "the bands" free of "interlopers" that mess up the olde-tymers' operations with "extraneous signals?" Testing matches the privs granted. It should, there is NO real change from the existing system. Power levels are set about one S-unit apart. Nobody loses any privileges. There are only three license classes and four written tests, so FCC doesn't have more work. I N C O R R E C T ! The FCC has to ADDITIOMALLY TEST Volunteer Examiners. More work for them. But, as in Latin ("who watches the watchers?") who will test the VE applicants? Other VEs? Not unless they have ALREADY been tested...which leads to an impossible condition. What's with this "power level" per "class" thing, anyway? If that were meaningful, there would be FCC field teams out there measuring field strengths and knocking on doors, etc. Obviously there aren't and any existing "RF power output" maximums in amateur radio operate on the honor system. Ain't no extensive "RF power output" checking being done. 73 de Jim, N2EY QP contains 10,000 questions. You take a test, 1 question at a time. Questions selected at random. You keep going til you miss one. No retakes, no upgrades. Each right question earns 10Hz of spectrum, your choice of frequency, but it must be made at the exam session. That is your lifetime allotment. HAR! :-) ------ Well, since Jimmie didn't come up with anything "new" other than doing a Max Factor Thing with the existing regulations (plus the NEW test for VEs), I'll just remind everyone of what is in the regulations NOW...and has been since at least 1995: The FCC states that each written test element Question Pool must contain a MINIMUM of 10 times the number of required questions. There is NO maximum on the Question Pool. [I don't think there ever was one] It's all up to the VE QPC on how many it wants to generate and distribute. Make it 20 times, 30 times, 50, even a 100 times the minimum in the QP...that will knock down all those charges of "memorization." Yawn. Nappy Hoo Year! |
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From: on Sat, Dec 31 2005 3:29 pm
wrote: From: on Dec 30, 5:56 pm wrote: Reposted and updated slightly: 1) Three classes of license: Basic, Intermediate, Full (change the names if you don't like them - Third, Second, First, Novice, General, Extra, whatever) Brian, the best Jimmie can come up with is just warmed-over EXISTING regulations with a slightly different bit of cosmetic changing. Maybe Jim didn't get any mental stimulation prior to age five. Oh, I think he was "motivated" to speak Morse Code as early as that... Note: There are only THREE license classes granted NOW. Precisely the number of license classes that Jim advocates! Amazing, isn't it? :-) 2) HF/MF bands split into subbands by mode and split again by license class. Some bands (30 meters) may be split by mode only. Bottom of each band is CW only, middle is CW/digital, top is CW/phone/image. Percentage division about 20%/30%/50% (varies with band). "Digital" includes digital voice modes if bandwidth under 1 kHz. Farf. There's BANDPLANS now, splitting "the bands" by mode AND class. Ghettos. Reminds me of some European social engineering of the 30's. Good grief, we CAN'T speak like that in here! The "lower end" of "the bands" MUST be kept open for the PRIVELEGED CLASS to beep in total comfort. So "it has always been and so shall it always be..." 3) "Basic" license test is simple 20-25 question exam on regs, procedures, and safety. Very little technical and RF exposure 4) "Intermediate" license test is more complex 50-60 question exam on regs, procedures, safety and technical stuff. Intermediates get 300-400 watts on all bands, all modes. Intermediates can be 5) "Full" license test is quite complex 100-120 question exam on regs, procedures, safety and technical stuff. Mostly technical, More Farf. Cosmetic changes to classes that exist NOW. Quitefine advocates Quitecomplex questions. "We've got a bleeder!" In amateurspeak, he's got a "ham-morage!" 6) All licenses are 10 year and fully renewable/modifiable. No age requirements or limits. NO change at all. Status quo-ism. All we need now is no enforcement and it could be the 70's and 80's all over again. Whatever. Except for the following, Jimmie's "idea" is all just warmed-over deja vu. Right now U.S. amateurs have licenses of 10 year periods, are renewable/modifiable, and there are NO age requirements. Item (6) on Jimmie's list is just a repeat of what already exists. 8) Separate 30-35 question test for VE qualification, open to Intermediates and Fulls, which allows them to be VEs. Existing VEs are grandfathered. Oh my, something NEW! "Unbeliegable," said Arte Johnson. So, "what was WRONG with the present system" that it needs this spay-shull "test" to proctor a license exam...with the answers readily available to them and NO need to make any decisions such as on schematics or essay questions? Geez, privatization in testing has been going on a LONG time without any specific "testing of the VEs." Odd, but the General could proctor Technician exams, and the Advanced could proctor General exams. The Extra Exam had loads of VE questions, the General and Advanced had none. As far as I'm concerned, since the VEC's are already disregarding FCC rules, we can dispense with the Extra Exam altogether and let the VEC's qualify "thier" examiners without any spay-shull FCC exam. They do that anyway... End result is a system that is easy to get into (Basic is envisioned as a 21st century version of the Novice) and has reasonable but meaningful steps to reach full privileges. The Novice class was a numbers failure. That's apparent to most folks other than Jimmie. It did give us a bunch of Technicians (General incognito) who couldn't do 13WPM. As far as I'm concerned, the "NEED" to do morse code at any rate was an arbitrary, unneccessary regulation back in the 60s. Ancient morsemen didn't think so and pressured the government to keep that "vital" necessity (or whatever they called it before Homeland Security needed morse for "the war on terror). So the morse code test stayed in. With a ONE-class license plus the ONCE-only "entry" license it is EASIER than the above regurgitated existing system. It's easier for the FCC to maintain, and it's all that is necessary. True enough, but it HURTS the spay-shull "high class" hams who NEED that super-extra-special federal certificate to show how good they are (above others of "lesser" rank). WHY is there a "privilege" system at all NOW? To keep "the bands" free of "interlopers" that mess up the olde-tymers' operations with "extraneous signals?" That hurts my gall bladder to hear you say that. Sorry about that, chief. [Maxwell Smart phrase, Hans, has nothing to do with USN] Testing matches the privs granted. It should, there is NO real change from the existing system. Which it what needs changing. A long time ago. Bad case of diaper rash in regs now... The FCC has to ADDITIOMALLY TEST Volunteer Examiners. More work for them. But, as in Latin ("who watches the watchers?") who will test the VE applicants? Other VEs? Not unless they have ALREADY been tested...which leads to an impossible condition. Division by zero? Program crash! What's with this "power level" per "class" thing, anyway? If that were meaningful, there would be FCC field teams out there measuring field strengths and knocking on doors, etc. Obviously there aren't and any existing "RF power output" maximums in amateur radio operate on the honor system. Ain't no extensive "RF power output" checking being done. Maybe Jim is an ARRL Official Observer, has a mobile van with precision measurement equipment on board... ...in which case he totally neglected that "QRP" rig for sale on E-bay for $9,500! :-) [the one "used on 80m" and having that large air exhaust ducting to carry off excess heat...] QP contains 10,000 questions. You take a test, 1 question at a time. Questions selected at random. You keep going til you miss one. No retakes, no upgrades. Each right question earns 10Hz of spectrum, your choice of frequency, but it must be made at the exam session. That is your lifetime allotment. HAR! :-) Har? I was serious. Sorry I am. Well, in retrospect, it was in the same spirit as Jimmie's regurgitated regulation set... Yappy New Hear! |
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wrote: From: on Sat, Dec 31 2005 3:29 pm wrote: From: on Dec 30, 5:56 pm wrote: cut Ghettos. Reminds me of some European social engineering of the 30's. Good grief, we CAN'T speak like that in here! The "lower end" of "the bands" MUST be kept open for the PRIVELEGED CLASS to beep in total comfort. So "it has always been and so shall it always be..." indeed the ARRL tried to pander to people Jim with code for extra class proposal cut It did give us a bunch of Technicians (General incognito) who couldn't do 13WPM. As far as I'm concerned, the "NEED" to do morse code at any rate was an arbitrary, unneccessary regulation back in the 60s. Ancient morsemen didn't think so and pressured the government to keep that "vital" necessity (or whatever they called it before Homeland Security needed morse for "the war on terror). So the morse code test stayed in. after the origial reason to know morse was stated as the need for the govt to be able to warn Ham off their trnasmsittion but even that "need" was bogus after if the Voice ham could hear the Morse signal and could not understand it then he could just qsy somewhere else if he did not hear the morse signal it not matter if he could understand it or not We could have done away with Morse Code tsts as early as the first AM voice set, might have been a bit choatic at first, but it have been done logicaly have done away when ever there was first voice cut |
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