wrote


Basic: 3525-3625 and 3900-4000
Intermediate: 3525-3750 and 3850-4000
Full: entire band


I missed where you explained why the bands needed to be divided by class. Is it
more difficult to understand how to operate on 3524 than on 3526?

73, de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:
wrote

Basic: 3525-3625 and 3900-4000
Intermediate: 3525-3750 and 3850-4000
Full: entire band

I missed where you explained why the bands needed to be divided by class.

It's to serve as an upgrade incentive. Not everyone aspires to run high
power.

Is it
more difficult to understand how to operate on 3524 than on 3526?

Of course not.

Neither is it more difficult to understand how to operate a 100 watt
transmitter
than a 50 watt transmitter. But under your system, a Class B licensee
could
not legally operate a 100 watt transmitter.

RF exposure, you say? The RF exposure hazard (in the high gain
direction)
from a 50 watt UHF transmitter with a high gain antenna is far more
than that
from a 100 watt HF transmitter with a low-gain antenna at the same
distance.

Yet under your system, a Class B licensee could legally operate a 50
watt
UHF transmitter and high-gain antenna, but not not legally operate a
100 watt transmitter with low gain antenna.

73 de Jim, N2EY

wrote:
KØHB wrote:
wrote

Basic: 3525-3625 and 3900-4000
Intermediate: 3525-3750 and 3850-4000
Full: entire band

I missed where you explained why the bands needed to be divided by class.

It's to serve as an upgrade incentive. Not everyone aspires to run high
power.

Oh, another upgrade for upgrade's sake. And a completely arbitrary and
unnecessary division within hamdom.

Is it
more difficult to understand how to operate on 3524 than on 3526?

Of course not.

A completely arbitrary and unnecessary division within hamdom.

Neither is it more difficult to understand how to operate a 100 watt
transmitter
than a 50 watt transmitter.

It is on 10 meters. The law requires an EA at 100 watts, but not at
50.

But under your system, a Class B licensee
could
not legally operate a 100 watt transmitter.

See above.

RF exposure, you say? The RF exposure hazard (in the high gain
direction)
from a 50 watt UHF transmitter with a high gain antenna is far more
than that
from a 100 watt HF transmitter with a low-gain antenna at the same
distance.

Yet under your system, a Class B licensee could legally operate a 50
watt
UHF transmitter and high-gain antenna, but not not legally operate a
100 watt transmitter with low gain antenna.

73 de Jim, N2EY

That's why my proposal says "erp."

wrote in message
oups.com...

I missed where you explained why the bands needed to be divided by class.

It's to serve as an upgrade incentive. Not everyone aspires to run high
power.

When I upgraded from Conditional to Extra (Advanced was closed) in 1963 I didn't
need any spiffy new freqs or higher power to motivate me. Sounds like giving
lollipops to children if they'll first eat their spinach.

Is it more difficult to understand how to operate on 3524 than on 3526?

Of course not.

Good answer!

73, de Hans, K0HB
Grand Exalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke

On 31 Dec 2005 05:52:25 -0800, wrote in
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KØHB wrote:
wrote

Basic: 3525-3625 and 3900-4000
Intermediate: 3525-3750 and 3850-4000
Full: entire band

I missed where you explained why the bands needed to be divided by class.

It's to serve as an upgrade incentive. Not everyone aspires to run high
power.


So what you're -really- talking about are low-power and a high-power
license classes?







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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 05:52:25 -0800, wrote in
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KØHB wrote:
wrote

Basic: 3525-3625 and 3900-4000
Intermediate: 3525-3750 and 3850-4000
Full: entire band

I missed where you explained why the bands needed to be divided by class.

It's to serve as an upgrade incentive. Not everyone aspires to run high
power.


So what you're -really- talking about are low-power and a high-power
license classes?

No.

If you look at K0HB's license-structure idea, the main (in fact the
*only* difference in operating privileges between his Class A and Class
B licenses is the power allowed.

Class A gets full 1500 W

Class B gets 50 W

Hans' idea is that by limiting Class B to 50 W, the RF exposure
questions can be eliminated,
or at least greatly reduced. But the fact is that 50 W can still be an
RF exposure hazard on some frequencies (UHF in particular) if a high
gain antenna is used.

Deciding that the power level of 50 W is acceptable for Class B, but
100 W is not, is just
a matter of judgement. It's the same kind of judgement as saying that
3500-3525 kHz is not allowed for all license classes.

On 31 Dec 2005 10:46:17 -0800, wrote in
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 05:52:25 -0800, wrote in
.com:

KØHB wrote:
wrote

Basic: 3525-3625 and 3900-4000
Intermediate: 3525-3750 and 3850-4000
Full: entire band

I missed where you explained why the bands needed to be divided by class.

It's to serve as an upgrade incentive. Not everyone aspires to run high
power.


So what you're -really- talking about are low-power and a high-power
license classes?

No.

If you look at K0HB's license-structure idea, the main (in fact the
*only* difference in operating privileges between his Class A and Class
B licenses is the power allowed.

Class A gets full 1500 W

Class B gets 50 W

Hans' idea is that by limiting Class B to 50 W, the RF exposure
questions can be eliminated,
or at least greatly reduced. But the fact is that 50 W can still be an
RF exposure hazard on some frequencies (UHF in particular) if a high
gain antenna is used.

Deciding that the power level of 50 W is acceptable for Class B, but
100 W is not, is just
a matter of judgement. It's the same kind of judgement as saying that
3500-3525 kHz is not allowed for all license classes.


Screw it..... one license, no "classes", no "learner's permit". Anyone
who is sincerely interested in the hobby will learn the crap and get
their license, code or no code, including me. If that means fewer hams
then so be it -- only the ARRL cares about increasing the number of
hams. But even then, the ARRL might be suprised since the time spent
on studying the different classes and priveleges will be better spent
learning theory, communications and safety. Quality, not quantity.

And that's my final answer.






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BTW, I found the FCC regs the 1940 ARRL handbook. The only significant
difference between Class A and Classes B & C was that Class A had the
additional privilege of using A3 on 3.9-4.0 and 14.150-14.250 MHz.
That's about it. Classes B & C were identical in priveliges; the only
distinction was that Class C had looser requirements for testing
purposes to accomodate military or CCC personel, people with
disabilities or living in remote geographic locations, etc.


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Frank Gilliland wrote:
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BTW, I found the FCC regs the 1940 ARRL handbook. The only significant
difference between Class A and Classes B & C was that Class A had the
additional privilege of using A3 on 3.9-4.0 and 14.150-14.250 MHz.
That's about it. Classes B & C were identical in priveliges; the only
distinction was that Class C had looser requirements for testing
purposes to accomodate military or CCC personel, people with
disabilities or living in remote geographic locations, etc.
just what is A3 beyond I suspect being a mode?


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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:23:07 -0800, Frank Gilliland
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BTW, I found the FCC regs the 1940 ARRL handbook. The only significant
difference between Class A and Classes B & C was that Class A had the
additional privilege of using A3 on 3.9-4.0 and 14.150-14.250 MHz.
That's about it.

That's right.

But you have to understand "the rest of the story"...

In 1940, the HF/MF amateur bands in the US were 160, 80/75, 40, 20 and
10 meters.

30, 17, 15, and 12 meters were not allocated to amateurs.

On top of that, the 40 meter band was all-Morse Code. No 'phone allowed
at all.

So a Class B or C amateur's 'phone options were 160 meters, 10 meters,
and
VHF/UHF (5 meters, 2-1/2 meters, 1-1/4 meters....)

Classes B & C were identical in priveliges; the only
distinction was that Class C had looser requirements for testing
purposes to accomodate military or CCC personel, people with
disabilities or living in remote geographic locations, etc.

Yep - a Class C was just a Class B given by mail. A volunteer examiner
gave the code test and proctored the written test (but FCC marked the
written test).

However, again there's "the rest of the story":

Class C was issued conditionally. If the holder of a Class C license
moved
to within the required distance of an FCC exam point, left the military
or CCC,
or recovered from the disability, s/he had 90 days to be retested by
FCC - or
lose the license.

Class A testing was only available from an FCC examiner or certain
specially-designated FCC representatives.

Class A also required at least one year experience as a Class B or C

If a Class C ham went for the Class A license, s/he first had to retake
and pass the Class B exam (code and written) at an FCC exam session
before being allowed to try the Class A.

---

The "ABC" system was in place from 1933 to 1951, including WW2.
(Although
FCC suspended all amateur station licenses during WW2, they still
conducted
operator license test sessions, and you could get an amateur radio
license all
through the war. There just weren't any legal amateur radio stations
for you to
operate).

--

A piece of amateur radio history that few recall nowadays is how the
ABC
system came to be replaced by the
Novice/Technician/General/Conditional/Advanced/Extra
system in 1951. That 1951 multiclass system is the basis of the current
license system.

Oh yeah..... if anyone wants a scan of an ad for the Hallicrafter's
"Skyrider Diversity" let me know. Awesome looking radio!

Awesome price, too!