If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote in message oups.com... From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. If it doesn't have rank or a uniform, Robesin isn't interested. That certainly seems the case. The "uniform" is his emperor's new clothes... Lessee. He's got a Marine uniform (he says). A Tennessee State Guard uniform (whatever that is), an ill-fitting Air Force CAP flight suit uniform, and a male nurses uniform. And he has lots of military medals that he never earned (according to him). You know, whenever I saw folks in the CAP uniform at any Air Force Base, including Maxwell, they work the 4b or Class A. Never ever saw a CAP in a flight suit before robesin's well advertised home page. In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. I didn't make that system, neither did you, neither did anyone in these four forums. The FCC took a big chunk out of it (license classes and morsemanship skill) with the Restructuring of 2000 and that ****ed off the Title-Rank- Status seekers. Devout morsemen are angry and venting steam because their self-esteem has fallen. Only in their minds. They are the very same good or bad hams that they were with all the layers of hamdom. All of those "layers" hams are examples to the general public, good or bad or indifferent. So? "Self-esteem" is a nice-nice word for EGO tied in with self- perception. Trying to represent themselves as "expert" radio persons in this new millennium is a rather stupid idea of those devout morsepersons when they want to force the FCC to keep the code test. Some do. Some don't. robesin does. He's a bad example for the morsemen. Those who LIKE morse code should, and can, go on using it. Roger. Roger that. salute That is in no sense any validity for making it an amateur radio test requirement for a license. No valid reason to maintain it as a barrier to the ARS. Oh, oh...in the PC (Political Correctness) of morsedom, the code test cannot possibly ever be a "barrier." ALL "good hams" should WORK for their AMATEUR licenses! Those that won't are worse than river-bottom slime...:-) Trying to speak logically, the FCC grants amateur licenses in the USA and even they proposed (via an NPRM) to eliminate the amateur radio morse code test for a license. FCC is on record of a couple decades ago that this singular manual skill test does not tell them if a license applicant is worthy of a federal license. Simply amazing. EIGHTEEN years alleged on active duty and he can't supply a single photo or document to support his claim? In November of this year I can truthfully say I've been in the southern California aerospace business 50 years. I have all sorts of documentation and photos on that which I may fully digitize some day (some are already digitized). Some time ago I posted my resume in here...which only made Robesin ballistic then since he has NO comparable experience in industry and cannot prove any radio experience other than amateur and alleged "chief operator" status at some small MARS station long ago. [that was before his less-than-a-half-year as a purchasing agent at a small set top box maker] Yet as "chief operator" or ANCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa, he remains woefully ignorant of MARS. I just don't get it. It's easy to "get." He wasn't what he says he was. He hasn't supplied a single bit of evidence to prove his claims. Now it all makes sense. It was all one great big super-brag. Robesin used the wrong word/acronym for a RESUME' presented as part of an interview for a job. Thought he had a "killer" job as a male nurse? God forbid! Robesin an academic? Not in this lifetime. It's just his inappropriate use of what to him are important sounding words and acronyms. Some of those he makes up as he goes along. Probably how his career in the Marines was invented. Well, he might have been in the reserves? The rec.radio newsgroups have showcased Robesin. He HAS earned his reputation. He's worked very hard for it. He's hardly worked in radio. Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. Well, doggone it, Lennie. Next thing ya know he'll be posting over the callsign of another Amateur. Nope...ya just cain't believe guys like that, can you Len? |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:06:47 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote: Al Klein wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm Really? You listen to people speaking at 13 wpm? What are they on? It sounds like good stuff. Your objection was that I cannot write Spanish at 100 wpm. I admit that but I know how to say "despacio" until they slow down so I can write it down. As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. But in CW, it doesn't matter - you write the letters as they come, whether you know what they mean or not. In the Navy, we had to read what we had copied to know what it said - the CW came in your ear and went out your fingers, you didn't pay attention to it. English? Who knew, until you read it? |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Al Klein wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:06:47 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote: Al Klein wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: I can certainly write down Spanish spoken at my CW speed of 13 wpm Really? You listen to people speaking at 13 wpm? What are they on? It sounds like good stuff. Your objection was that I cannot write Spanish at 100 wpm. I admit that but I know how to say "despacio" until they slow down so I can write it down. As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. But in CW, it doesn't matter - you write the letters as they come, whether you know what they mean or not. In the Navy, we had to read what we had copied to know what it said - the CW came in your ear and went out your fingers, you didn't pay attention to it. English? Who knew, until you read it? if you get a message in turkish in most of the USA you still have a useless message since where are yo going to find some that read the lang |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote: wrote: From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm Trying to speak logically, the FCC grants amateur licenses in the USA and even they proposed (via an NPRM) to eliminate the amateur radio morse code test for a license. FCC is on record of a couple decades ago that this singular manual skill test does not tell them if a license applicant is worthy of a federal license. So what's the hold up? most likely the fact that some at the FCC wouldlike to plase the ARRL as long as it costs them nothing ut the cpsts are starting to build since NVEC realy needs to know soon what the general license involves so they can write the new pool |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
RLW wrote: wrote in message oups.com... From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. If it doesn't have rank or a uniform, Robesin isn't interested. That certainly seems the case. The "uniform" is his emperor's new clothes... Lessee. He's got a Marine uniform (he says). A Tennessee State Guard uniform (whatever that is), an ill-fitting Air Force CAP flight suit uniform, and a male nurses uniform. And he has lots of military medals that he never earned (according to him). You know, whenever I saw folks in the CAP uniform at any Air Force Base, including Maxwell, they work the 4b or Class A. Never ever saw a CAP in a flight suit before robesin's well advertised home page. In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. Saturdays. They bring the kids in for a tour and a meal at the chow hall. Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. Well, doggone it, Lennie. Next thing ya know he'll be posting over the callsign of another Amateur. Nope...ya just cain't believe guys like that, can you Len? I don't believe his bs. |
If you had to use CW... would robesin still be an idiot?
wrote: From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:58 pm wrote: From: Cecil Moore on Wed, Aug 23 2006 6:38 am Instead of using verbal communications, how about a parable about how those Boy Scouts could have chosen to use Morse Code? Your question is unconnected to your first sentence. How does one "use morse code" to save a drowning child? Why would they do that if they were in close proximity? Darn those Cell Phones! A cell phone was used to call paramedics, not a code key. Impossible according to the rabid morsemen. "ALL" infrastructure (including cell phones) "FAIL" in emergencies! :-) Yes, yes. I know. I don't know what to make of it. Please tell us why it is SO important to be "correct" on details of the Titanic disaster that happened 94 years ago? I asked another in here who-what-why-where-when of amateur radio saving any lives via morse code. That hasn't been answered yet. Nor will it be. MYTHOLOGY cannot be argued logically. It is part of the lore, the mystique promulgated by groups who think they are far more than they really are. The ARRL resells a few fictional novels by a single author (a gal) whose subject is mainly "saving the day" with amateur radio, several of which are supposed to feature the "life-saving abilities" of morsemanship. I've never read any, just read the ad copy for them on the ARRL website. In the writing trade those are known as "teen-age novels" and are for the under-adult age group. I've read several of them to my son when he was younger. The first books were written by a guy. He's passed on, and now in the same style, they are written by a gal. Some folks think those works of fiction are "real" and like to cite them to those of us who know better. That and all the other tales of the Olde Dayes when Kode was King and all the "best" radio men pounded brass. That was long, long ago when radio was new, something to communicate with that did not exist before it came along. I immensely enjoyed the works of fiction served up by W0EX (SK), and K3LT, where the story was so contrived that ONLY cw could save the day. Maybe you can supply the details? Cecil can't. Cecil tried to appease the morse jihadists a while back by joining in their rrap cw net. In the end, they still can't stand his views on morse testing. The RRAP morse jahidists MUST have THEIR way. They NEED the elitist identification to prove they are "somebodies" who are "better" than ordinary mortals through morsemanship. They get very tiresome rather quickly. I'm calling them the new "Al-Code-ah" since they might be organized and beginning to terrorize amateurs with their demands of code-testing-forever in the USA. I've nothing against those who LIKE to use morse code and find pleasure in that mode. I am totally against those who DEMAND that ALL MUST test for morsemanship (at any speed) just to get an amateur radio license. They are fixated on their youth and times past, trying to delude themselves that time has marched on and all of electronics technology has changed many times over since They began. It's quite remarkable viewing some of those olde-tymers trying to tout their "I am the greatest" bragging, especially so since I began in radio communications back before some of them had yet to be born or at least before they became teen- agers! These olde-tymers blabber on about the efficacy of morsemanship long, long after ALL the other radio services stopped using morse. For them time stood still...or they refused to acknowledge the inexorable passage of time. The "Al-Code-Ah" continue in their Jihad... I'm curious what's really holding up the FCC on the issue. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
Al Klein wrote:
As I said in another post, try that in Turkish. Or Latvian. Or any other language you don't know a single word of. Sorry, you first challenged me to do that in Spanish. I have proved beyond any doubt that I can do that. Your need to suddenly change languages on me speaks volumes. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
If you had to use CW... would robesin still be an idiot?
From: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:49 pm
wrote: From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:58 pm wrote: From: Cecil Moore on Wed, Aug 23 2006 6:38 am Darn those Cell Phones! A cell phone was used to call paramedics, not a code key. Impossible according to the rabid morsemen. "ALL" infrastructure (including cell phones) "FAIL" in emergencies! :-) Yes, yes. I know. I don't know what to make of it. The rabid morsemen are still in the 1950s when there was NO "911" and certainly not cellular telephony. Even so, an ordinary telephone could had called for help in the 1950s. In the communications industry of today, the emphasis is on WiFi and - still - cell phone technology. It's BIG Business shown rather dramatically on rooftops and towers all over the USA. A couple years ago the US Census Bureau stated that one in three Americans had a cell phone subscription. That's like nearly 100 million of us... The ARRL resells a few fictional novels by a single author (a gal) whose subject is mainly "saving the day" with amateur radio, several of which are supposed to feature the "life-saving abilities" of morsemanship. I've never read any, just read the ad copy for them on the ARRL website. In the writing trade those are known as "teen-age novels" and are for the under-adult age group. I've read several of them to my son when he was younger. The first books were written by a guy. He's passed on, and now in the same style, they are written by a gal. OK, that's cool. As long as the readers can understand that a novel is a work of fiction, fine. There are still a few chowderheads who think the film "Independence Day" was a documentary! :-) I immensely enjoyed the works of fiction served up by W0EX (SK), and K3LT, where the story was so contrived that ONLY cw could save the day. "Contrived?!?" :-) Whole-cloth BS I'd put it. The "Al-Code-Ah" continue in their Jihad... I'm curious what's really holding up the FCC on the issue. So am I. It's nine months since the official close of Comments on the NPRM. Nine months? Gestation almost complete? "Birth" of an R&O soon? :-) I'll just put it down to the FCC very busy with lots and lots of other things to attend to in DC. Amateur radio is small stuff in the big scheme of things in all of radio. FCC prolly has only one staffer working on the old NPRM and that one may be time-sharing other work in progress. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
rom: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:39 pm
wrote in message oups.com... From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian. Saturdays. They bring the kids in for a tour and a meal at the chow hall. OK, that explains it. :-) If I was on-site for some company business, I wouldn't be there on weekends. :-) Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got that 1,000 yard stare. That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in his bragging of what he did that never was... :-) Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year "career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years. If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said. I don't believe his bs. Any rational, sane person can't believe his claims. Hopefully, that is most of us reading some of the garbage going on in here now. I found it uproarious that Robeson tried to cover up his NOT naming a single military radio that was operational during his alleged 18-year "USMC career," claiming "all the information is classified!" :-) Absolute bull****. The names, ID, functions have all been in public view...the 'Public' being the makers or those wanting to get in on an RFQ (Request for Quote) being advertised by the DoD. Even though I never operated (as a civilian) anything more than an old ARC-27 or PRC-119 SINCGARS, all the military radios operational between the times of those two are easily recognizeable to me (well, the VRCs have lots of differences between families but the same case and general form). The operating manuals are NOT classified, just in limited distribution. LOGSA the Logistics Supply Agency is busy making CDs of all the printed manuals for darn near ALL military equipment; it's a piece of cake to pop one of those CDs in an ever-present military PC and read them. LOGSA has a website and even civilians can download some of the older equipment's manuals. LOGSA has some internal priority on what can be downloaded (depending on the cookie generated by a non-military PC). That was a tip I got from rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors and rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. The nomenclatures and quick- look facts are on a couple websites in a long, long, long list. Even BAMA has some manuals for free download plus big link lists for other sites that have them. Robesin DID list some (questionable) nomenclatures for MARS equipment once but NOTHING else. That kind of info can be had from other hams' personal websites. MARS doesn't normally talk about regular military tactical radio gear. MARS doesn't normally use such. :-) |
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