In article .com,
says...
The following letter was sent today by Kevin Ryan of Underwriters
Laboratories to Frank Gayle of the National Institute of Standards and
Technology (NIST) . Underwriters Laboratories is the company that
certified the steel components used in the construction of the World
Trade Center towers. The information in this letter is of great
importance.

Dr. Gayle,

Having recently reviewed your team's report of 10/19/04, I felt the
need to contact you directly.

As I'm sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel
components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. [..]

We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time
temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed
to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree,
the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we
can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until
reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would
imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those
buildings makes no sense at all. [..]

This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did
soften or melt, I'm sure we can all agree that this was certainly not
due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires
in those towers. That fact should be of great concern to all Americans.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...rt icleId=236



The Kevin Ryan stuff has been shot down so many times already...yawn..

BDK

In article ,
says...
BULL ****............

wrote in message
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"Lucky" Larry Silverstein








You're being too kind..LOL

BDK

Isn't it amazing how you can have an event like 911 on tape and people can
view the tape and deny the evidence of their own eyes?
We all SAW the planes hit the towers.
We all SAW the towers fall from the TOP down.
Many of us saw all this in person, not on tape.
The only conclusion I can draw is that some people are just idiots.


"L." wrote in message
...
That story line of it "not" being the planes that brought the towers down,
is one of the BIGGEST bull **** stories ever to be printed.

IF you "watched" the towers fall, they fell from top to bottom. Straight
down (just about). IF there were "Dynamite" used - especially at the
ground
floors, they would have went out first - and THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. ALSO -
you would most likely have seen implosions or adversely - walls
"shattering"
"OUT" depending on how the charges were placed. That ALSO was not the
case.
IF you recall, the FIRST attempt to bring the towers down WAS done with
"Explosives" placed in the garage area. Yes, it caused damage and some
injuries/deaths but as to bringing the towers down - It didn't work.

You bull **** conspiracy theorists really need to get a grip on life. THAT
was a ****ing attack on our country - pure and simple. OR "maybe" YOU were
a
part of it! Trying to spin it out of the real truth!

L.


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...
I thought it was strange that this guy was a physics professor. What
would a physics prof know about how the towers fell? That's the realm
of engineering. A physics prof would start the problem with "ok, assume
a zero gravity, zero atmophere environment..."

-Robert,




MnMikew wrote:
This is what happens to tinfoilers who spew this crap.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951

"Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the
collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it
does
not
endorse assertions made by individual faculty.

"We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and
accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."

They need their ass kicked for even remotely trying to make humor of it in
any manner - be it joking or trying to twist it around in this sick manner.
Now "that" would be a lovely conclusion.

L.

"Bruce Markowitz" wrote in message
...
Isn't it amazing how you can have an event like 911 on tape and people can
view the tape and deny the evidence of their own eyes?
We all SAW the planes hit the towers.
We all SAW the towers fall from the TOP down.
Many of us saw all this in person, not on tape.
The only conclusion I can draw is that some people are just idiots.


"L." wrote in message
...
That story line of it "not" being the planes that brought the towers
down,
is one of the BIGGEST bull **** stories ever to be printed.

IF you "watched" the towers fall, they fell from top to bottom. Straight
down (just about). IF there were "Dynamite" used - especially at the
ground
floors, they would have went out first - and THAT WAS NOT THE CASE.
ALSO -
you would most likely have seen implosions or adversely - walls
"shattering"
"OUT" depending on how the charges were placed. That ALSO was not the
case.
IF you recall, the FIRST attempt to bring the towers down WAS done with
"Explosives" placed in the garage area. Yes, it caused damage and some
injuries/deaths but as to bringing the towers down - It didn't work.

You bull **** conspiracy theorists really need to get a grip on life.
THAT
was a ****ing attack on our country - pure and simple. OR "maybe" YOU
were
a
part of it! Trying to spin it out of the real truth!

L.


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...
I thought it was strange that this guy was a physics professor. What
would a physics prof know about how the towers fell? That's the realm
of engineering. A physics prof would start the problem with "ok, assume
a zero gravity, zero atmophere environment..."

-Robert,




MnMikew wrote:
This is what happens to tinfoilers who spew this crap.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951

"Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the
collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it
does
not
endorse assertions made by individual faculty.

"We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and
accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."

wrote in message
ups.com...
You've seen the photos of the survivors standing in the impact holes on
the side of the tower begging for help. How could they do that if the
temperatures were hot enough to 'melt steel'?

Are you really so ignorant, as to ask that question? I hope not!

Doh, perhaps the fire was only at it's hottest in less than a dozen of the
over 100 floors? Once those floors collapsed, the additional weight of
these floors could not be supported by the floors beneath them.
--
Jim in NC

Ever watch those documentaries on building implosions? Notice how they
spend weeks removing fixtures, walls, etc.? And then drilling holes in
supports and walls to hold the explosives? There's a lot of work
leading up to the big event. Wouldn't someone have noticed all that
going on in the weeks before 9/11? I know there has been a lot of
discussion about not "connecting the dots" but surely someone would
have noticed that. And what about hauling in all the tons of dynamite?
Wouldn't someone have noticed that and said something? "Hey, did
someone see a big cockroach upstairs or something?"

RK Henry

On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:03:12 -0400, "L." wrote:

That story line of it "not" being the planes that brought the towers down,
is one of the BIGGEST bull **** stories ever to be printed.

IF you "watched" the towers fall, they fell from top to bottom. Straight
down (just about). IF there were "Dynamite" used - especially at the ground
floors, they would have went out first - and THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. ALSO -
you would most likely have seen implosions or adversely - walls "shattering"
"OUT" depending on how the charges were placed. That ALSO was not the case.
IF you recall, the FIRST attempt to bring the towers down WAS done with
"Explosives" placed in the garage area. Yes, it caused damage and some
injuries/deaths but as to bringing the towers down - It didn't work.

You bull **** conspiracy theorists really need to get a grip on life. THAT
was a ****ing attack on our country - pure and simple. OR "maybe" YOU were a
part of it! Trying to spin it out of the real truth!

L.


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
roups.com...
I thought it was strange that this guy was a physics professor. What
would a physics prof know about how the towers fell? That's the realm
of engineering. A physics prof would start the problem with "ok, assume
a zero gravity, zero atmophere environment..."

-Robert,




MnMikew wrote:
This is what happens to tinfoilers who spew this crap.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951

"Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the
collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does
not
endorse assertions made by individual faculty.

"We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and
accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."

Bruce Markowitz wrote:

Isn't it amazing how you can have an event like 911 on tape and people can
view the tape and deny the evidence of their own eyes?
We all SAW the planes hit the towers.
We all SAW the towers fall from the TOP down.
Many of us saw all this in person, not on tape.
The only conclusion I can draw is that some people are just idiots.


agreed!

btw, in the video, they highlight a "plume" of material ejecting from a
lower floor window below the start of the collapse and claim it was from an
explosion.

well, there was an explosion of sorts. its called compression. The air had
to exit somewhere, hence that debris plume. no dynamite needed!

On 8 Sep 2006 05:31:52 -0700, wrote:

Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe the attacks
were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to justify the
invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.

Let's see, that would be Noam Chomsky and 74 of his friends and
acolytes?

Are you accusing me of getting some sort of sick satisfaction from
dragging out 9-11 when I know families are the victims are bound to
read it at some point? **** you, what's in it for me, I'm relaying
information the mass media won't. Go switch on the TV and shut up you
****ing idiot.

Building 7 - never hit by a plane but it collapsed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPDNPJAr_Ao

No steel framed building has ever collapsed by fire EVER! The owner of
the WTC, who took billions in insurance for the 9-11 attacks on the
compund he bought 6 months earlier said on TV the fire service 'pulled
the building and you have seen Building 7 falling straight all the way
down like a demolition. It takes 2 weeks to wire a building for
demolition, so how did invisible men manage it in 7 hours with the
entire Manhatten emergency service population in the vacinity?

Then WHY are you perpetuating this stupid **** if YOU YOURSELF do not
believe it? MOST ANYONE WITH A BRAIN KNOWS IT ISN'T TRUE. TO RELAY A RUMOR -
IS BEING PART OF IT. YOU ARE THE IDIOT FOR PLAYING INTO THE ****.

Did you EVER think the MASS MEDIA "ISN'T" BROADCASTING THIS **** "BECAUSE"
THEY KNOW TOO WELL IT IS BULL ****???? WAKE THE **** UP.

L.

wrote in message
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Are you accusing me of getting some sort of sick satisfaction from
dragging out 9-11 when I know families are the victims are bound to
read it at some point? **** you, what's in it for me, I'm relaying
information the mass media won't. Go switch on the TV and shut up you
****ing idiot.