GeorgeF om...

^ With BPL coming Morse Code might be the only way left to
^ communicate on HF.

So you think CW will come through the interference fairly well? I guess
everything will if the range is close enough, like within a few blocks
perhaps. You're probably already aware of it but ARRL conducted some field
experiments in areas where the power companies are testing BPL. I didn't read
the report but I recall hearing that the interference was about S9 in those
areas.


Frank

"Frank" wrote in message
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Jack ...

the other data types
require another, often more expensive, piece of hardware.

Yes, but I can afford it.


So am I still correct that the advantages of CW a

- Narrower bandwidth. The bandwidth is effectively even narrower because
overlapping adjacent signals can still be distinguished by the human ear.

- Greater effective range.

- Less equipment than other data types, which also have greater
bandwidth.

- Can be used without a microphone and without a key. Just open the box
and
short a couple of contacts.



You forgot one:
Imminent extinction.

Now that was about a lame argument.

"GeorgeF" wrote in message
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With BPL coming Morse Code might be the only way left to communicate on
HF.

Sorry I'm not a ham and I don't want to see CW go. It call BASICS!
Once you start forgetting about the basics then you start developing a
backwards nation.

Just look at school, they don't teach the basics any more they just
throw the kids on computers. Do you know a single McDonalds employee
who can make change in their head???

CW isn't hard to learn, not even a ham and I can receive 15 WPM and
actually enjoy it....

George
http://www.MilAirComms.com

CW IWpeb.647553$uu5.104967@sccrnsc04...

^ You forgot one:
^ Imminent extinction.

Not true. You're being childish.

Frank

What is the USA waiting for?? Will we be the only country in the world
with a morse code requirement??

Ireland and Singapore have become the latest countries to
remove the requirement for Amateur Radio applicants to pass a Morse code
examination for HF access.

In addition, Switzerland, Belgium, the UK, Germany, Norway, the
Netherlands, Austria, New Zealand and Australia have moved to drop their
Morse requirements.

Yet the USA will surely be the last to join the rest of the world in doing what
is obvious to everyone else.

Jibbs wrote:

In addition, Switzerland, Belgium, the UK, Germany, Norway, the
Netherlands, Austria, New Zealand and Australia have moved to drop their
Morse requirements.


So what? If all these countires jumped off bridges would that mean we
would be nuts for not jump too? What these counties do are their own
business and who wants to be put in the same class as Germany anyway!


Yet the USA will surely be the last to join the rest of the world in doing what
is obvious to everyone else.


Oh I hope not, I hope the USA never joins the rest of the world. We
don't need a 80, 40, 20, and 15 meter CB bands. God forbid that we have
something happen here far worse than 9/11 which renders Voice
communications useless and we need to go back to basices. After all its
a lot easier to build a CW rig than a voice rig in the event of a
national emergency. Once you stop teaching/learning the basics then
you'll gradully become a less educated national. Just look at workers
in McDonalds, when the computer quits working they can't make sales.....

George
http://www.MilAirComms.com

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:20:10 -0400, GeorgeF in rec.radio.scanner -
om :

Yet the USA will surely be the last to join the rest of the world in doing what
is obvious to everyone else.



Oh I hope not, I hope the USA never joins the rest of the world. We
don't need a 80, 40, 20, and 15 meter CB bands. God forbid that we have
something happen here far worse than 9/11 which renders Voice
communications useless and we need to go back to basices.

Like terrorists stab everyone who has a radio transmitter in the throat with a pen,
or even worse? Perhaps a laryngitis epidemic?

After all its a lot easier to build a CW rig than a voice rig in the event of a
national emergency.

That is why I have a 50,000 volt spark gap rig in storage. LOL

Once you stop teaching/learning the basics then
you'll gradully become a less educated national. Just look at workers
in McDonalds, when the computer quits working they can't make sales.....

Well, considering McDonalds isn't set up for paper & pen transactions I would
say that is understandable. How does your ebay business do when your computer
takes a ****?

wrote:


Well, considering McDonalds isn't set up for paper & pen transactions I would
say that is understandable. How does your ebay business do when your computer
takes a ****?

I do very well because I still (and always will) do a consider amount of
business and sales via more traditional marketing means such as mail and
newspaper/magzine advertising.

George
http://www.MilAirComms.com
http://www.AuctionWholesaler.com (since edna so badly wants to bring it up)

"Frank" wrote in message
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^ Just FYI:
^ CW Bandwidth = wpm X 4 (e.g., 40 WPM = 160 Hz)
^ From the ARRL License Manual 1976:
^ "With proper shaping, the necessary keying bandwidth is equal to 4
^ times the speed in words per minute for International Morse Code;
^ e.g. at 25 words per minute, the bandwidth is approximately 100
^ cycles."

Thank you. SSB is about twice that right? And isn't SSB the narrowest
voice
emission?

Frank


An SSB signal is about 3000 cycles/sec (i.e. Hertz) or 30 times as wide. AM
and FM are even wider.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Frank" wrote in message
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Jack ...

^ CW is an unmodulated transmission ...

^ Radioteletype (RTTY and AFSK) also use unmodulated carriers. On HF
^ bands, most use unmodulated Lower Sideband. As with CW, the receiver
^ reinserts the carrier, causing the AF-shifted beat note.

And CW requires only the transceiver and key while the other data types
require another, often more expensive, piece of hardware.


So am I still correct that the advantages of CW a

- Narrower bandwidth. The bandwidth is effectively even narrower because
overlapping adjacent signals can still be distinguished by the human ear.

- Greater effective range.

- Less equipment than other data types, which also have greater
bandwidth.

- Can be used without a microphone and without a key. Just open the box
and
short a couple of contacts.

Frank


Pretty close. Some of the other digital modes are narrower but as you
state, you need more hardware such as a computer. In addition each of the
other digital modes has its own unique set of advantages and disadvantages
in on air operation.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE