"Midwest Kid" wrote in message
news:HFayb.256443$9E1.1368062@attbi_s52...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...


Contact the ARRL. They have data that shows that antennas have NO
impact on property values.

That is the whole damn point of CC&R. Your property value doesn't mean
jack
if you cannot SELL your home. There are more people willing to look
elsewhere if my damn neighbor has some 20+ foot tower in his/her back
yard.
Again, towers can't hurt 'values' when you can't even get a person to make
an offer.



A buyer is not always a rational person. They may walk away because they
don't like the landscaping or the paint job or whatever. Can you see HV
powerlines from the back yard? Want to bet how many people are certain those
cause cancer? Can you see a cellular tower nearby? Buyers don't want
"radiation". What about a next-door ham antenna? Why not be afraid of that
too? What if that big antenna blew off in a storm? It could hit your house!
And when hams transmit, they make radiation! Who wants to move in next to
some guy who makes radiation for fun?!

You can't talk power levels and ionizing versus non-ionizing, because the
buyer walks before you get that chance. Your neighbors know this, and this
makes them fearful of what might happen to them if they wanted to sell. They
don't care about your right to squirt RF into the world, all they care about
is safeguarding their own families' (perceived) health and protecting the
viability of their one big investment in life.

Some people will give up some of their personal freedom to buy into an area
that has CC&R's, so they can have some assurance that bizarre (by their
perception) things won't happen near their family and investment. And if
they enter this kind of society, they have the right to expect their HOA to
enforce the CC&R's fairly and without exception.

And, just like the USA, a HOA is not a democracy; it is much more like a
constitutional republic. Once again, the homeowner doesn't vote on each and
every issue (democracy). Rather, a board (acting for the homeowners; i.e., a
republic) is elected, and they enforce the CC&R's (the constitution). So
let's not have any more babbling about how a HOA isn't fair because it's not
a democracy.

Ed
WB6WSN

Outwitting -- use Stealth Antennas URL:
http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT
AND
http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=7571

Outsmarting -- Don't buy into an HOA Community
Think Ahead --- An HOA can adapt a no antenna rule anytime they want
Have Big Bucks to fight it in court -- Most HOA's have deep pockets

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard
"

In rec.radio.scanner Dee D. Flint wrote:

: Contact the ARRL. They have data that shows that antennas have NO impact on
: property values. They also have data showing that, in general, property
: values are rising faster in areas without CCRs & HOAs than in areas with
: them.

I find that hard to believe. Do you really mean to say that a ham with 15
or 20 different antennas and two towers does *nothing* to the property
values of the houses next door?

Richard in Boston, MA, USA
N1JDU

Richard G Amirault wrote:

SNIP

I find that hard to believe. Do you really mean to say that a ham with 15
or 20 different antennas and two towers does *nothing* to the property
values of the houses next door?

Richard in Boston, MA, USA
N1JDU

Yep! He's right!

Go to city hall and ask Mayor Menino if you can get an abatement based
on depeciated value caused by your neighbor's ham antennas. After he
stops laughing ... [you fill in the rest].

I sold my home in Danvers [a Boston suburb for non Bostonians] for $20K
above real estate appraised market evaluation/value of $270K while I had
a Tennadyne T8 [8 element log periodic --- 13 to 33 MHz], a center fed
doublet with open wire feeders, and a 2 meter vertical on top of a 45
foot tower in the back yard. The house sold on first day on market. [The
Danvers Ham community, W1ZH, K1LQX and others, will gladly confirm the
antenna farm].

The buyer's requested assurance that the antenna and tower would be
removed prior to passing papers. My response "Of course!"

Deacon Dave, W1MCE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...

Same organization has data showing it doesn't affect the sale of homes
either.

How about an organization that has a little less bias toward allowing
antennas.

"Richard G Amirault" wrote in message
...

I find that hard to believe. Do you really mean to say that a ham with 15
or 20 different antennas and two towers does *nothing* to the property
values of the houses next door?

That's what hams want you to believe. They are right of course. Lets say
your home is worth $175K before the tower. Then you try to sell your home.
You get no _offers_ because of that antenna field next door. Therefore you
cannot _prove_ that the value of your home went down. Hams are an elite
group of people like others. I find it hard to believe that a ham selling
their home would leave the antennas up while showing the home. Even if they
are going to toss them, any realtor is going to tell the person to take them
down.

"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
news:m9wyb.372045$Tr4.1101837@attbi_s03...

The buyer's requested assurance that the antenna and tower would be
removed prior to passing papers. My response "Of course!"

So here we have:

1: The people did not want the antennas.

2: It's more like "**** my neighbor. If he is selling his home and can't
get a buyer due to my antennas, that's his problem."

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...
There currently exists a rule within the FCC that disallows municipalities
preventing amateur operators from erecting antennas, and a similar rule
for CC&R's is in the works.

If my neighbors use this unjust law to put up an antenna, I hope they don't
plan on selling their home anytime soon. As soon as I see a 4-sale sign in
the neighbors yard, that's when I get into ham myself and erect my big, bad
antenna. Like you hams say, this wouldn't affect the property value or the
sale of the home so my ham neighbor wouldn't say anything to me....right?

" Uncle Peter" wrote in message
news:%Xbyb.22095$yM6.1695@lakeread06...
I kept in at the tree line, in the middle of
the property. Out of sight.

I think how tall the antennas are is what dictates if they are a problems.
Antennas that are as tall as the home and in the back yard really wouldn't
be a a problem for me. Huge big, bad antennas would.

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

I'm trying to see the important distinction between "property values"
and "your investment in your home".

Investment in your home, to me, means what you paid for your home. Property
value is what someone is supposedly willing to pay for your land and home.
It doesn't necessary mean your actual investment in the home. If a chemical
spill is discovered near the area, your property value might be $50K while
your investment could be $100K (what you paid for your home). People want to
equate property values with an investment that will _always_ go up, mostly
due to the real estate boom over the last 3 decades or so. I don't see many
people like that. Out of all my family, only a cousin actually rents a
home. No many people buy a home, let it sit empty and hope that they can
sell it for 30% more in a year. That is the main problem with CC&R. People
think they are a way to help your property value increase. That's stupid
logic. They should be more worried about just making sure they get what
they put into the home. I believe CC&Rs do that. They make it so people can
sell their home. I personally wouldn't have a problem with a ham antenna as
long as it didn't interfere with anything in my home. If it did, I would
ask the person to take it down. Chances are I would be a good friend to my
neighbors since I am pretty easy to get along with. It's when hams get this
attitude (like I am seeing here) spouting off: "Well, I got a new law
supporting me so not much you or anyone else can do." That's when the
gloves come off. Screw them. They thought they had a friend....I hope the
person never needs something or tries to make small talk.