wrote in message ...
WHO are you to tell me or someone else what you consider is "in check"
or not? You deal with your property and the rest of us shall deal with
ours.

**** that. If I move into an CC&R addition, I expect people to follow the
rules. I would hope my neighbors would be smart enough to read important
real estate documents. I don't care if my home is $300K. If some ham puts
up a huge antenna and they make an exception, I will be documenting
everything. As soon as that ham puts up a 4-sale sign, my huge ugly tower
will go up. You wouldn't be against _my_ right to do this, right? If the
ham had the balls to even say something about it I would laugh. In other
words the ham would want his tower when it suits _him_, however if he takes
it down to sell the home and a neighbor puts one up...that's just not right.

I spent five years on the board of, and two years as the president of, a 721
home development board of directors. We had a few blowhards who, like many in
here, told us to go to hell and parked cars on blocks and the like.

It wasn't rocket science. We voted a 30 day "take it away or go to court." We
were impolitely told to go to hell. We didn't go to hell, we went to court.
Not a big deal. Between the court costs and our lawyer's fees, the blowhard had
a thousand dollar junk car project to remove. Three or four cases like that in
the first couple of years and things got remarkably quiet, and we all got along
like neighbors respecting the wishes of each other.

I took perverse satisfaction in stringing copper tape under the eaves of the
house, strangely just long enough to make a quarter wave dipole for forty
meters. But it was painted with exactly the same shade that the eaves were
painted, run with a quarter-gallon with adequate filtering, matched to the n'th
degree, and worked the world on everything from forty on up. You could walk
right up to it and not detect that there was an antenna of any sort.

Not to mention the 2-meter groundplane disguised as a chimney strap. Painted
wrought-iron black and strangely so, 19 inches long. Coax? Run down a mortar
seam and painted mortar grey. From five feet away, it was indistinguishable
from the mortar.

I laugh at you blowhards telling us how you will do what you damn well please
when and where you damn well please to do it. I note that none of you have
tried it.

Clever works. Big mouths don't. And, if you don't like the rules, either don't
move in or once you move in then try to change them. If a majority of your
neighbors agree, it is changed. That's the way I learned that this country
works.

Jim





"Midwest Kid"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

-
wrote in message ...
- WHO are you to tell me or someone else what you consider is "in check"
- or not? You deal with your property and the rest of us shall deal with
- ours.
-
If I move into an CC&R addition, I expect people to follow the
-rules. I would hope my neighbors would be smart enough to read important
-real estate documents. I don't care if my home is $300K. If some ham puts
-up a huge antenna and they make an exception, I will be documenting
-everything.
Jim Weir, VP Eng. RST Eng. WX6RST
A&P, CFI, and other good alphabet soup

Got the kid part right.


"Midwest Kid" wrote in message
news:Zx1yb.253283$275.924957@attbi_s53...

wrote in message ...
WHO are you to tell me or someone else what you consider is "in check"
or not? You deal with your property and the rest of us shall deal with
ours.

**** that. If I move into an CC&R addition, I expect people to follow the
rules. I would hope my neighbors would be smart enough to read important
real estate documents. I don't care if my home is $300K. If some ham
puts
up a huge antenna and they make an exception, I will be documenting
everything. As soon as that ham puts up a 4-sale sign, my huge ugly tower
will go up. You wouldn't be against _my_ right to do this, right? If the
ham had the balls to even say something about it I would laugh. In other
words the ham would want his tower when it suits _him_, however if he
takes
it down to sell the home and a neighbor puts one up...that's just not
right.

wrote:
Midwest Kid wrote:

You people amaze me. If you don't like
covenants, then don't move into the
neighborhood. The reason for the rules
are to keep everything in check. (snip)

WHO are you to tell me or someone else
what you consider is "in check" or not? You
deal with your property and the rest of us
shall deal with ours. Your starting to sound
like your on the board of some HOA who
enjoys telling their neighbors what they can
and cannot do on THEIR property. (snip)


It does amaze me, Pappy, how many are so willing to accept, and even
defend, additional restrictions on people's lives and property in this
supposedly free country of ours. These homeowners associations, which are,
in effect, a new layer of government, don't act in a democratic manner and
neither respect, nor even clearly recognize, people's rights.

Instead, these homeowners associations remind me of the communist party
committees found in neighborhoods throughout the former Soviet Union before
it's collapse. Like these homeowners associations, those committees made
neighborhood rules and insured area residents complied with those rules. The
Soviet people gained freedoms after the fall of the Soviet Union and it's
many committees. The American people are losing freedoms as these homeowners
associations, and their CC&Rs, spread.

Some here have advocated just avoiding these homeowners associations, and
their CC&Rs, by moving elsewhere. While that may be a temporary fix (serves
their own self-interests at the moment), I'm sure many in the Soviet Union
thought the same when they first saw the spread of those communist party
committees. But, without open resistence by all, there was no place left to
avoid those committees within just a few years. I sincerely hope the same
cannot be said by young people about these homeowners associations in the
not so distant future. However, everything I've seen suggests that is a
clear possibility.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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It does amaze me, Pappy, how many are so willing to accept, and even
defend, additional restrictions on people's lives and property in this
supposedly free country of ours. These homeowners associations, which
are,
in effect, a new layer of government, don't act in a democratic manner
and
neither respect, nor even clearly recognize, people's rights.


[snip]

If respecting people's rights was entirely consistant with human nature,
nobody would have considered writing a few of them down in the various
governmental Constitutions.

So, have many Homeowner's Associations dissolved themselves and handed
their responsibilities to a municipal government?

Frank Dresser

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
hlink.net...

It does amaze me, Pappy, how many are so willing to accept, and even
defend, additional restrictions on people's lives and property in this
supposedly free country of ours.

Please show us one case where someone was force (with a gun, knife, etc) to
buy a home in a CC&R neighborhood. No one is forced to buy a home in CC&R.
If you don't want CC&R, move.

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
hlink.net...

there was no place left to avoid those committees within just a few years.

My county just east of Indy has plenty of non CC&R neighborhoods. Oh wait,
how horrible it is to think people would want to live in a 25-30 year old
addition. Everyone wants to live in the 'perfect' place with no strings
attached. That is living in a fantasy world. Like I said, the Indy area is
nice. Plenty of 20-30 year old additions with good homes and no CC&R.
Though you might have to compromise on various issues (almost all these
additions have great school systems).

wrote in message ...
WHO are you to tell me or someone else what you consider is "in check"
or not? You deal with your property and the rest of us shall deal with
ours.

**** that. If I move into an CC&R addition, I expect people to follow the
rules. I would hope my neighbors would be smart enough to read important
real estate documents. I don't care if my home is $300K. If some ham puts
up a huge antenna and they make an exception, I will be documenting
everything. As soon as that ham puts up a 4-sale sign, my huge ugly tower
will go up. You wouldn't be against _my_ right to do this, right? If the
ham had the balls to even say something about it I would laugh. In other
words the ham would want his tower when it suits _him_, however if he takes
it down to sell the home and a neighbor puts one up...that's just not right.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklins retort to the PHOA
Philadelphia HomeOwners Ass

They told old Ben to go fly a kite !!

From The Antenna In The Wilderness

The only one you can blame for this problem is your
self. You signed the lease...
'Doc