On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:06:52 -0400, wrote:

p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have
had them probably over a week now.

They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate
each other) at shoppng malls and parks.

of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since
these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls,

it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not
transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every
single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in
and when I went out.

until. it happened to me today.

I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft
alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store.

The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so.

So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have
to listen to would also acidentally set them off.

My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be
used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each
other when we're ready to leave).

Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or
the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting
it to be used that for purpose?

They'll all probably blame each other.

What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble
and very serious problems with people. such as

Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just
legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security
and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using
it the way it was intended to and advertised as.

Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their
radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if
they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended
to and advertised as.

Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went
off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio
with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a
different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and
police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft
alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio
with them. (not even transmitting anything).

The store shoplifting detectors are not metal detectors.

Take the radios back to where you bought them and have them double
check to make sure they disabled the theft deterrent device properly.

And put back on your tinfoil hat.
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wrote in message
...
p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have
had them probably over a week now.

They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate
each other) at shoppng malls and parks.

of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since
these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls,

it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not
transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every
single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in
and when I went out.

until. it happened to me today.

I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft
alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store.

The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so.

So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have
to listen to would also acidentally set them off.

My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be
used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each
other when we're ready to leave).

Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or
the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting
it to be used that for purpose?

They'll all probably blame each other.

What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble
and very serious problems with people. such as

Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just
legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security
and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using
it the way it was intended to and advertised as.

Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their
radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if
they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended
to and advertised as.

Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went
off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio
with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a
different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and
police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft
alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio
with them. (not even transmitting anything).


I have, on many occasions, carried FRS radios, scanners, two way radios, ham
transceivers, pagers, cell phones, etc. into many different shopping malls
and the stores within them. I have never, ever set off a theft alarm.

A two way radio of any type should not set off a theft alarm. There's
something else going on here.

Ken

Ken Roberts mentioned in passing :

A two way radio of any type should not set off a theft alarm. There's
something else going on here.

Yeah, everyone in my family -always- has a powered up frs radio on them
and we have never set off any alarms in the stores or malls for about three
years.

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I carry a cell phone and work UHF walkie-talkie into malls, and have
never set off anything. I have also used FRS radios when shopping with
my wife in malls. Again, we have never set off anything.

Maybe your radios have something strange going on, or are putting out
some weird signal. I just read last week about a guy watching TV in his
own home when the authorities showed up and banged on his door. His TV
was putting out a stray off-freq signal that just happened to be on the
same freq as some of the aircraft distress beacons. So, strange things
can and do happen.

wrote:

p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have
had them probably over a week now.

They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate
each other) at shoppng malls and parks.

of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since
these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls,

it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not
transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every
single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in
and when I went out.

until. it happened to me today.

I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft
alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store.

The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so.

So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have
to listen to would also acidentally set them off.

My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be
used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each
other when we're ready to leave).

Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or
the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting
it to be used that for purpose?

They'll all probably blame each other.

What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble
and very serious problems with people. such as

Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just
legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security
and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using
it the way it was intended to and advertised as.

Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their
radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if
they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended
to and advertised as.

Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went
off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio
with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a
different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and
police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft
alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio
with them. (not even transmitting anything).

The problem is that the FRS has a sensormatic tag inside the case that
has not been deactivated. You can either disassemble the FRS and
remove the tag or ask a sympathetic store to run it past their
deactivator.

I am not sure I understand. I use my FRS in malls and stores all the
time.
without a problem

The problem is that the FRS has a sensormatic tag inside the case that
has not been deactivated. You can either disassemble the FRS and
remove the tag or ask a sympathetic store to run it past their
deactivator.

"JunkMan" wrote in message
...
I am not sure I understand. I use my FRS in malls and stores all the
time.
without a problem

The problem is that the FRS has a sensormatic tag inside the case that
has not been deactivated. You can either disassemble the FRS and
remove the tag or ask a sympathetic store to run it past their
deactivator.



He probably bought them somewhere via mail or something and the theft tag
wasn't deactivated. I use mine all the time too, no big deal. IF
deactivating the radio with the store's equipment doesn't help, maybe
contact the company who made them for advice or buy a new pair.

TRM

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:27:18 -0400, "OH YEAH"
wrote:

"JunkMan" wrote in message
...
I am not sure I understand. I use my FRS in malls and stores all the
time.
without a problem

The problem is that the FRS has a sensormatic tag inside the case that
has not been deactivated. You can either disassemble the FRS and
remove the tag or ask a sympathetic store to run it past their
deactivator.



He probably bought them somewhere via mail or something and the theft tag
wasn't deactivated. I use mine all the time too, no big deal. IF
deactivating the radio with the store's equipment doesn't help, maybe
contact the company who made them for advice or buy a new pair.

TRM


Yeah, I can use mine in stores also. Whats fun is when you hear a
employee talking, giving out a name, then say on radio the name and
something like "go to shipping" or "You're a idiot".

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It was long ago and far away, and it was so much better than it is
today. - Meatloaf

"Dave B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:27:18 -0400, "OH YEAH"
wrote:

"JunkMan" wrote in message
...
I am not sure I understand. I use my FRS in malls and stores all the
time.
without a problem

The problem is that the FRS has a sensormatic tag inside the case that
has not been deactivated. You can either disassemble the FRS and
remove the tag or ask a sympathetic store to run it past their
deactivator.



He probably bought them somewhere via mail or something and the theft tag
wasn't deactivated. I use mine all the time too, no big deal. IF
deactivating the radio with the store's equipment doesn't help, maybe
contact the company who made them for advice or buy a new pair.

TRM


Yeah, I can use mine in stores also. Whats fun is when you hear a
employee talking, giving out a name, then say on radio the name and
something like "go to shipping" or "You're a idiot".

-----
Dave B

It was long ago and far away, and it was so much better than it is
today. - Meatloaf

Funny, I was in a mall one day.. My brother and I were on ours. There was
"no" one else talking. We said a few things then some one said GET OFF THE
CHANNEL. Well, you can imagine what my reply was! I'll let your imagination
run.

TRM

It's called private property. Malls and shopping centers are on private
property and can establish whatever rules they wish regarding the use of
cellphones, radios, etc. If you don't like it move on. If you want to
enter the premises, leave the radios in the car. In addition to concern
regarding a radio's use for shoplifting is the concern of comparison
shopping. My son had a summer job at a Target Store in the mall and knew of
more than one employee who was sent to Walmart to compare prices using an
HT. Not a good idea. However, I have been in Circuit City using my HT and
talking through our local 444.275 mhz. repeater and had no problems. It
just depends on who allows what where.

wrote:

p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have
had them probably over a week now.

They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate
each other) at shoppng malls and parks.

of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since
these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls,

it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not
transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every
single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in
and when I went out.

until. it happened to me today.

I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft
alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store.

The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so.

So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have
to listen to would also acidentally set them off.

My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be
used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each
other when we're ready to leave).

Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or
the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting
it to be used that for purpose?

They'll all probably blame each other.

What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble
and very serious problems with people. such as

Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just
legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security
and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using
it the way it was intended to and advertised as.

Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their
radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if
they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended
to and advertised as.

Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went
off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio
with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a
different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and
police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft
alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio
with them. (not even transmitting anything).