p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have
had them probably over a week now.

They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate
each other) at shoppng malls and parks.

of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since
these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls,

it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not
transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every
single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in
and when I went out.

until. it happened to me today.

I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft
alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store.

The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so.

So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have
to listen to would also acidentally set them off.

My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be
used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each
other when we're ready to leave).

Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or
the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting
it to be used that for purpose?

They'll all probably blame each other.

What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble
and very serious problems with people. such as

Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just
legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security
and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using
it the way it was intended to and advertised as.

Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their
radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if
they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended
to and advertised as.

Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went
off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio
with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a
different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and
police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft
alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio
with them. (not even transmitting anything).

MAYBE IT HAS A THEFT STRIP IN THE BATTERY COMPARTMENT THAT WASNT DISABLED
??????

wrote:
p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have
had them probably over a week now.

They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate
each other) at shoppng malls and parks.

of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since
these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls,

it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not
transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every
single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in
and when I went out.

until. it happened to me today.

I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft
alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store.

The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so.

So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have
to listen to would also acidentally set them off.

My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be
used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each
other when we're ready to leave).

Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or
the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting
it to be used that for purpose?

They'll all probably blame each other.

What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble
and very serious problems with people. such as

Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just
legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security
and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using
it the way it was intended to and advertised as.

Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their
radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if
they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended
to and advertised as.

Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went
off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio
with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a
different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and
police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft
alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio
with them. (not even transmitting anything).




I see a good Emilio Goldstein story coming out of this snicker.

--
More people died in Ted Kennedy's car than have been killed by my guns.

wrote in message
...
p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have
had them probably over a week now.

They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate
each other) at shoppng malls and parks.

of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since
these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls,

it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not
transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every
single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in
and when I went out.

until. it happened to me today.

I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft
alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store.

The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so.

So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have
to listen to would also acidentally set them off.

My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be
used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each
other when we're ready to leave).

Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or
the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting
it to be used that for purpose?

They'll all probably blame each other.

What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble
and very serious problems with people. such as

Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just
legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security
and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using
it the way it was intended to and advertised as.

Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their
radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if
they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended
to and advertised as.

Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went
off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio
with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a
different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and
police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft
alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio
with them. (not even transmitting anything).


Strange, I go into all sorts of shops and malls with FRS radios, Fire
Pagers, Fire Radios, and Scanners and a cell phone - not to mention a pocket
knife, etc. and have YET to have ANY alarms go off. As one person suggested,
maybe there is a theft strip still attached there somehow. Just a guess! Not
sure if those places have any settings to adjust, but if so, maybe they're
set to max! The ONLY place I've ever been subjected to searches - and as
expected, were in County Office Buildings, Airports. Even there, things like
belt buckles, zippers, etc, set them off. Yes, I've taken my fire
pagers/radios and so on in there too, but no knife! IF they don't recognize
the type of radio it is, all they've done is ask to make it work. No
problem. But I also carry ID with me just in case to show my need for said
items. And, to make another point clear, any one of those items invariably
has been used while in the stores. Still, no problems encountered.

Lou

"Lou" wrote in message
erio.net...

wrote in message
...
p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have
had them probably over a week now.

They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate
each other) at shoppng malls and parks.

of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since
these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls,

it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not
transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every
single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in
and when I went out.

until. it happened to me today.

I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft
alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store.

The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so.

So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have
to listen to would also acidentally set them off.

My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be
used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each
other when we're ready to leave).

Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or
the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting
it to be used that for purpose?

They'll all probably blame each other.

What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble
and very serious problems with people. such as

Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just
legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security
and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using
it the way it was intended to and advertised as.

Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their
radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if
they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended
to and advertised as.

Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went
off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio
with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a
different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and
police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft
alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio
with them. (not even transmitting anything).


Strange, I go into all sorts of shops and malls with FRS radios, Fire
Pagers, Fire Radios, and Scanners and a cell phone - not to mention a
pocket knife, etc. and have YET to have ANY alarms go off. As one person
suggested, maybe there is a theft strip still attached there somehow. Just
a guess! Not sure if those places have any settings to adjust, but if so,
maybe they're set to max! The ONLY place I've ever been subjected to
searches - and as expected, were in County Office Buildings, Airports.
Even there, things like belt buckles, zippers, etc, set them off. Yes,
I've taken my fire pagers/radios and so on in there too, but no knife! IF
they don't recognize the type of radio it is, all they've done is ask to
make it work. No problem. But I also carry ID with me just in case to show
my need for said items. And, to make another point clear, any one of
those items invariably has been used while in the stores. Still, no
problems encountered.

Lou


I would have to think the same. I often use FRS radios, now days I have a
couple GMRS ones. We use them in the malls here as often cell reception is
iffy. I have mine turned on, and have never set off a theft alarm in any
store???
--
Remember folks stop lights timed for 35mph are also timed for 70 mph.

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:37:55 -0400, "Lou"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have
had them probably over a week now.

They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate
each other) at shoppng malls and parks.

of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since
these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls,

it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not
transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every
single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in
and when I went out.

until. it happened to me today.

I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft
alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store.

The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so.

So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have
to listen to would also acidentally set them off.

My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be
used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each
other when we're ready to leave).

Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or
the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting
it to be used that for purpose?

They'll all probably blame each other.

What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble
and very serious problems with people. such as

Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just
legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security
and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using
it the way it was intended to and advertised as.

Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their
radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if
they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended
to and advertised as.

Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went
off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio
with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a
different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and
police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft
alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio
with them. (not even transmitting anything).


Strange, I go into all sorts of shops and malls with FRS radios, Fire
Pagers, Fire Radios, and Scanners and a cell phone - not to mention a pocket
knife, etc. and have YET to have ANY alarms go off. As one person suggested,
maybe there is a theft strip still attached there somehow. Just a guess! Not
sure if those places have any settings to adjust, but if so, maybe they're
set to max! The ONLY place I've ever been subjected to searches - and as
expected, were in County Office Buildings, Airports. Even there, things like
belt buckles, zippers, etc, set them off. Yes, I've taken my fire
pagers/radios and so on in there too, but no knife! IF they don't recognize
the type of radio it is, all they've done is ask to make it work. No
problem. But I also carry ID with me just in case to show my need for said
items. And, to make another point clear, any one of those items invariably
has been used while in the stores. Still, no problems encountered.


FWIW, I've set off alarms at my local library just carrying a
data CD in my pocket. At one of the two, it doesn't go off if I walk
in off center, but with the CD in the pocket closer to the detector.
If I go in with the CD pocket right next to the detector, it sets off
the alarm every time. It doesn't seem to happen in malls, but the
doorways there are wider. Maybe that makes a difference.

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:37:55 -0400, "Lou"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have
had them probably over a week now.

They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate
each other) at shoppng malls and parks.

of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since
these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls,

it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not
transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every
single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in
and when I went out.

until. it happened to me today.

I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft
alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store.

The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so.

So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have
to listen to would also acidentally set them off.

My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be
used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each
other when we're ready to leave).

Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or
the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting
it to be used that for purpose?

They'll all probably blame each other.

What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble
and very serious problems with people. such as

Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just
legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security
and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using
it the way it was intended to and advertised as.

Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their
radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if
they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended
to and advertised as.

Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went
off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio
with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a
different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and
police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft
alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio
with them. (not even transmitting anything).


Strange, I go into all sorts of shops and malls with FRS radios, Fire
Pagers, Fire Radios, and Scanners and a cell phone - not to mention a
pocket
knife, etc. and have YET to have ANY alarms go off. As one person
suggested,
maybe there is a theft strip still attached there somehow. Just a guess!
Not
sure if those places have any settings to adjust, but if so, maybe they're
set to max! The ONLY place I've ever been subjected to searches - and as
expected, were in County Office Buildings, Airports. Even there, things
like
belt buckles, zippers, etc, set them off. Yes, I've taken my fire
pagers/radios and so on in there too, but no knife! IF they don't
recognize
the type of radio it is, all they've done is ask to make it work. No
problem. But I also carry ID with me just in case to show my need for said
items. And, to make another point clear, any one of those items
invariably
has been used while in the stores. Still, no problems encountered.


FWIW, I've set off alarms at my local library just carrying a
data CD in my pocket. At one of the two, it doesn't go off if I walk
in off center, but with the CD in the pocket closer to the detector.
If I go in with the CD pocket right next to the detector, it sets off
the alarm every time. It doesn't seem to happen in malls, but the
doorways there are wider. Maybe that makes a difference.

Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering, was the CD in it's protective case
too? I'm guessing it was, but don't like to assume anything. I may try that
some time to see what any results may be. BUT now another question comes to
mind, if it is a "library" issued CD, does IT have any form of theft
deterrent strip on it somewhere? I've seen bigger libraries which use a
theft system. As I said in my reply immediately above, and as some others
have said similar, I've had no problems with radios and such going into
various places with alarms. Be it while receiving or transmitting or
carrying items such as pocket knives, etc. Maybe some alarms are more
sensitive than others, but I've not run into any - yet. Then on the other
hand, I've seen one go off even though a person in front of me was checked
out and tried to leave. They were checked and found all to be in order, and
told to go ahead. So, who knows? Whatever went on there, was obviously a
foul up - somewhere. It is possible the machines are able to make errors.
Nothing is perfect! Getting back to your post for a second, as one pointed
out, those "theft deterrent" devices are "not" metal detectors. So,
something else on the CD must be doing it.

Lou

"Lou" wrote in
erio.net:

Be it while receiving or transmitting or
carrying items such as pocket knives, etc. Maybe some alarms are more
sensitive than others, but I've not run into any - yet. Then on the
other hand, I've seen one go off even though a person in front of me
was checked out and tried to leave. They were checked and found all to
be in order, and told to go ahead. So, who knows?

Those anti-theft tag systems use a large antenna to detect the tags. The
field needs to be tuned, and whenever a pedastel or antenna gets moved,
the whole field can get out of whack. This is sometimes the reason for the
false alarms. I know I've had a fire radio set off one in a drug store once
out of the 1000's of times I've walked into a building with that radio.
Also, sometimes on high theft items, tags are hidden multiple times on
devices. Often times they cannot be de-activated, rather just makes sure
someones checking your receipt on your way out the door.
I've also had a tag stuck to the color of my shirt once, by a prank playing
co-worker. Had no clue, but everyone who passed through the doorways the
same time I did, nearly got a body cavity search

john

"John P Vassel" wrote in message
. 97.142...
"Lou" wrote in
erio.net:

Be it while receiving or transmitting or
carrying items such as pocket knives, etc. Maybe some alarms are more
sensitive than others, but I've not run into any - yet. Then on the
other hand, I've seen one go off even though a person in front of me
was checked out and tried to leave. They were checked and found all to
be in order, and told to go ahead. So, who knows?

Those anti-theft tag systems use a large antenna to detect the tags. The
field needs to be tuned, and whenever a pedastel or antenna gets moved,
the whole field can get out of whack. This is sometimes the reason for the
false alarms. I know I've had a fire radio set off one in a drug store
once
out of the 1000's of times I've walked into a building with that radio.
Also, sometimes on high theft items, tags are hidden multiple times on
devices. Often times they cannot be de-activated, rather just makes sure
someones checking your receipt on your way out the door.
I've also had a tag stuck to the color of my shirt once, by a prank
playing
co-worker. Had no clue, but everyone who passed through the doorways the
same time I did, nearly got a body cavity search

john

While we're on the subject, I now recall someone once telling me that his 2
meter H.T. used to set off something in the malls. My memory is not as clear
though on exactly what it was. I could swear they said the Radar Detectors
on display for purchase, but it could very well have been the alarms. He
used an HTX- 202. There again, having owned those as well and used them,
I've never had that problem either. In either case, this guy who posted this
originally, my acquaintance or others, a case of dumb luck? I'm not speaking
a personal or mental issue, but using an old saying?

Thanks for the heads up on the alarm workings, Had a vague idea of their
actions, but never gave it much thought otherwise.

Lou

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:21:58 -0400, "Lou"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:37:55 -0400, "Lou"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have
had them probably over a week now.

They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate
each other) at shoppng malls and parks.

of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since
these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls,

it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not
transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every
single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in
and when I went out.

until. it happened to me today.

I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft
alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store.

The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so.

So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have
to listen to would also acidentally set them off.

My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be
used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each
other when we're ready to leave).

Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or
the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting
it to be used that for purpose?

They'll all probably blame each other.

What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble
and very serious problems with people. such as

Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just
legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security
and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using
it the way it was intended to and advertised as.

Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their
radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if
they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended
to and advertised as.

Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went
off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio
with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a
different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and
police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft
alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio
with them. (not even transmitting anything).


Strange, I go into all sorts of shops and malls with FRS radios, Fire
Pagers, Fire Radios, and Scanners and a cell phone - not to mention a
pocket
knife, etc. and have YET to have ANY alarms go off. As one person
suggested,
maybe there is a theft strip still attached there somehow. Just a guess!
Not
sure if those places have any settings to adjust, but if so, maybe they're
set to max! The ONLY place I've ever been subjected to searches - and as
expected, were in County Office Buildings, Airports. Even there, things
like
belt buckles, zippers, etc, set them off. Yes, I've taken my fire
pagers/radios and so on in there too, but no knife! IF they don't
recognize
the type of radio it is, all they've done is ask to make it work. No
problem. But I also carry ID with me just in case to show my need for said
items. And, to make another point clear, any one of those items
invariably
has been used while in the stores. Still, no problems encountered.


FWIW, I've set off alarms at my local library just carrying a
data CD in my pocket. At one of the two, it doesn't go off if I walk
in off center, but with the CD in the pocket closer to the detector.
If I go in with the CD pocket right next to the detector, it sets off
the alarm every time. It doesn't seem to happen in malls, but the
doorways there are wider. Maybe that makes a difference.

Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering, was the CD in it's protective case
too?

Yes.

I'm guessing it was, but don't like to assume anything. I may try that
some time to see what any results may be. BUT now another question comes to
mind, if it is a "library" issued CD, does IT have any form of theft
deterrent strip on it somewhere?

Nope -- just some files I'd burned to CD myself.

I've seen bigger libraries which use a
theft system. As I said in my reply immediately above, and as some others
have said similar, I've had no problems with radios and such going into
various places with alarms. Be it while receiving or transmitting or
carrying items such as pocket knives, etc. Maybe some alarms are more
sensitive than others, but I've not run into any - yet. Then on the other
hand, I've seen one go off even though a person in front of me was checked
out and tried to leave. They were checked and found all to be in order, and
told to go ahead. So, who knows? Whatever went on there, was obviously a
foul up - somewhere. It is possible the machines are able to make errors.
Nothing is perfect! Getting back to your post for a second, as one pointed
out, those "theft deterrent" devices are "not" metal detectors. So,
something else on the CD must be doing it.

Agreed. I did misstate one thing about the position of the CD.
If I walk in such that the CD is e.g. in my right pocket and I walk
close to the left side of the detector, such that the CD is more or
less centered, it doesn'r set off the alarm. If I were to walk in
farther to the right, so that the CD passed very close to that side of
the detector, it would set the alarm off.