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If you had to use CW... would robesin still be an idiot?
wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm It's "minority rule" when ARRL lobbies for preservation of morse code test for any amateur radio license class. The ARRL membership is slightly less than a quarter of all US amateur radio licensees. The ARRL is trying to soften their image - the latest QST shows a person using a, gulp, microphone on the FRONT cover! Good grief! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Just inside is yet another article on building a code key - from a door hinge. Oh, goody...HIGH TECH construction article. Would they follow that with another article on the door itself? Like, I mean, making the door a jar? :-) Ahem...my reference was the old fairy tale, "The Emperor's New Clothes." :-) That's the one where a full-of-himself ruler ordered some new clothes and the tailor buttered him up (while not sewing any new clothes) so much that the Emperor bought into this pandering to his ego and appeared in public with his "new clothes" (he was naked). Needless to say, the public laughed and laughed at this ridiculous spectacle. :-) Robeson has been all full of himself in here about his alleged "USMC service" yet he has presented zero-point-zero evidence from anyone else (or any legitimate agency) that he ever served on active USMC duty for any of his claimed "18 years." Even though he NOW thinks of himself AS the amateur radio service personified (anything against him is somehow against ALL radio amateurs), he is still parodying the "Emperor." This just in from The ARRL Letter, Vol. 25, No. 33, August 18, 2006 "ARRL First Vice President Kay Craigie, N3KN, represented the League at the Global Amateur Radio Emergency Communications Conference 2006." "Craigie stressed that Amateur Radio needs to avoid "being dazzled by our own press clippings into thinking that we are the big dog in emergency telecommunications."" She refers to robesin-like attitudes within the ARS. Oh. My. God. ! ! ! Tsk, just because NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, FOX, ESPN, and PBS haven't covered the tremendously fantastic wonderfullest huge contribution to saving lives and property via ham radio? Gosh, there are all sorts of clippings from obscure weekly and biweekly newspapers dutifully cut-and-pasted into messages here from Robesin & Co. Maybe I'll have to write the Department of Defense and say that "Major" Robesin said that radio amateurs run MARS! They should fortwith cease and desist publishing DoD Directives on thinking that they started it and keep running it! Maybe I missed the "news" on the Home and Garden Channel...I don't watch that much... Right and all the other radio services are switching to morse code for all emergency communications a la ham radio...the sky has truly fallen! didit! Dahdah comrade. :-) |
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If Lennie Anderson Had To Tell The Truth Once, Would Bill Clinton Swear Off Big Mac's and White House Interns? With "Engineers" Like Lennie, It's No Wonder Everything Says "Made In Someplace Other Than The United States"
From: an old freind on Tues, Aug 22 2006 4:16 pm
K4YZ wrote: an old freind wrote: K4YZ wrote: tried the same old tired rhetoric: But, challenge Robeson or call him in error and one will be inundated with personal insults. Robeson MUST be right and he MUST rule. Civil comportment be damned with Robeson in newsgroups. Those newsgroups were (in his mind) created to showcase Him? Yep. agreeing for once get help Get help for what? well a pro needs to way but Id say meglomanina paranoia, pathological lying for starts Give up on Robesin, Mark. He MUST remain "right" and He "must" rule. He isn't interested in civility. Once an "enemy" of his, always an enemy in his mind. Sick way to be but he is that way, repeatedly. He just proved it in the message you replied to. He is setting the example for all hams. Not going to help the amateur ranks in getting more hams but that is not, apparently, his point. Robesin needs to come out on TOP in his own mind, be chieftan, be the warlord. He also wants rec.radio.amateur. policy all his own to do with as he sees fit. [probably to have his daily fits in...] Ech... but titles like that are Robeson stock in trade my content in his posts just ranting on and on about epople instead of Issues Absolutely true, Mark. He tries to belittle his "enemies" so that He looks good. Problem is, it is working in reverse and he is only belittling himself. |
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Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
But there's nothing to prevent people who appreciate and love the language of Morse, the way it sings, its universality, its beauty, from continuing to use it way into the future. It is the beauty of Morse, in plain English, never mind the abbreviations, which boy scouts and others who show an interest should be taught to appreciate. ---- Reg, G4FGQ I completely agree with you N2UBP |
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If Lennie Anderson Had To Tell The Truth Once, Would Bill Clinton Swear Off Big Mac's and White House Interns? With "Engineers" Like Lennie, It's No Wonder Everything Says "Made In Someplace Other Than The United States"
wrote: From: an old freind on Tues, Aug 22 2006 4:16 pm K4YZ wrote: an old freind wrote: K4YZ wrote: tried the same old tired rhetoric: But, challenge Robeson or call him in error and one will be inundated with personal insults. Robeson MUST be right and he MUST rule. Civil comportment be damned with Robeson in newsgroups. Those newsgroups were (in his mind) created to showcase Him? Yep. agreeing for once get help Get help for what? well a pro needs to way but Id say meglomanina paranoia, pathological lying for starts Give up on Robesin, Mark. He MUST remain "right" and He "must" rule. He isn't interested in civility. Once an "enemy" of his, always an enemy in his mind. Sick way to be but he is that way, repeatedly. He just proved it in the message you replied to. I use him for punching bag hopeing he might give it up did you catch the bit where he claims that he is acting as MY firend I am gald I was not drinking something , i might have choked to death He is setting the example for all hams. Not going to help the amateur ranks in getting more hams but that is not, apparently, his point. Robesin needs to come out on TOP in his own mind, be chieftan, be the warlord. he is great as bad example. I use robeson posts as warning to people all the time I have specail set book marked to us as warning fo r where their behavoir might lead He also wants rec.radio.amateur. policy all his own to do with as he sees fit. [probably to have his daily fits in...] in a few day weeks or months I will quit this feild signing off here as KB9RQZ/AE Ech... but titles like that are Robeson stock in trade my content in his posts just ranting on and on about epople instead of Issues Absolutely true, Mark. He tries to belittle his "enemies" so that He looks good. Problem is, it is working in reverse and he is only belittling himself. indeed |
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
I agree.
rb wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:19:25 GMT, "Woody" wrote: Um.... you know, just saying "I agree" would have been a lot simpler and saved you 2 pages of typing.... LOL. rb len likes to carry on as is his right http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:%RJGg.27319$uV.13889@trnddc08: Did someone drop you on your head at birth? The reason 50wpm can save lives is probably a bit complex for you to get both your functioning neurons around, but believe me, having done CW for a living for some decades I do know that it can save lives. And if you're faster than the average bear at it, you can tell someone on the scene things they need to know all that much faster. Possibly, because try as I might, I can't really remember much about that day.... I had pyloric stenosis, if that counts? So apparently YOUR answer to this question is that you couldn't send your name if your own life depended on it. Now that's true... I'd require a CW setup of some kind in order to send my name; or anything else for that matter. Or as previously pointed out, hack up a headphone jack and tippy tap the wires together. Either way, I don't see my life depending on it at any time, so I'll just let my CW skills continue to rust. However; your argument does make me wonder how non-hams even have a chance at life in this world... ?? Believe me, I get it. I don't think CW ought to be mandatory and it isn't where I live. I do think people who intend to use it should learn how to use it properly, though. For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. BTW, I noticed you conveniently left out the specific year in which said burning boat was offshore with an obsolete CW outfit, and how your CW expertise put out a fire.... but I'm guessing we're talking many a year ago, so again, a moot point. Actually, The boat thing in general is really killing me... If these numb-nuts are offshore and not on the correct USCG freqs and/or unaware of how to properly tune their radios in an emergency, then it isn't CW saving lives, it's the grace of God that somebody happened to be on their freq at that time. But again, what boats are out there with a CW rig???? That's crazy, bubba. :-) rb |
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
wrote in
: On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:10:08 GMT, Dave Oldridge wrote: "Woody" wrote in news:%RJGg.27319$uV.13889@trnddc08: Well there ya have it folks.... 50wpm saves lives. So how does it work? Turn up the speaker really loud and place it [face down] on the person's chest, while an op in South America tapped out universally accepted words that would mimic an atrioventricular rhythm? Did someone drop you on your head at birth? wy wouldyou ask that did someone drop you on yours? No, but when I'm confronted with TOTAL stupidity, it's a possible explanotion for it. The reason 50wpm can save lives is probably a bit complex for you to get both your functioning neurons around, but believe me, having done CW for a living for some decades I do know that it can save lives. a date when was the last Ham Morse saved a life at any speed car and drive down to the local EMS agency, and bring them to you. Life saved! I'm impressed. rb So apparently YOUR answer to this question is that you couldn't send your name if your own life depended on it. I can send anything I like the proof of that is before you I have a pc Believe me, I get it. I don't think CW ought to be mandatory and it isn't where I live. good for you I do think people who intend to use it should learn how to use it properly, though. For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). ok you have a date for that I'll accept it as a life saved by CW if you do http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ Not an exact date, though it's probably in the archives of the Canadian Coast Guard, my employer at the time. Hey, I worked at Halifax Coast Guard radio from 1977 until 1995, 18 years at the one station. We handled a number of SOS calls on CW and were able to save lives some of the time (not always. alas). But with trained operators on both ends of the signal path, CW was pretty much always an easier go than SSB. And SITOR was pretty much a joke. Half the ships couldn't get it going. INMARSAT is what put CW out of business in the marine industry. And a nasty solar flare or two could put INMARSAT out of business. You pays your money and you takes your chances. I'm not sure that a ship equipped with a complex satellite radio with a lot of moving parts and a technician is all that much better off than a ship was when they were equipped with an MF-HF CW and SSB radio station and a radio operator who was also a trained technician. All is well until something breaks and the nearest part is 500 miles away over water. CW was still in use for a some ship-to-shore work when I retired in 1995. When I went to the high arctic in 1964 it was our main means of communication with the south. We eventually converted that to RTTY and SSB, but neither was really as effective as the CW that preceded. Now, today, we have such things a PSK31 to do much of the grunt work. That will work as well as CW in most cases, I find. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Woody" wrote in news:1o2Hg.19713$Te.3938@trnddc07:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 9... "Woody" wrote in news:%RJGg.27319$uV.13889@trnddc08: Did someone drop you on your head at birth? The reason 50wpm can save lives is probably a bit complex for you to get both your functioning neurons around, but believe me, having done CW for a living for some decades I do know that it can save lives. And if you're faster than the average bear at it, you can tell someone on the scene things they need to know all that much faster. Possibly, because try as I might, I can't really remember much about that day.... I had pyloric stenosis, if that counts? So apparently YOUR answer to this question is that you couldn't send your name if your own life depended on it. Now that's true... I'd require a CW setup of some kind in order to send my name; or anything else for that matter. Or as previously pointed out, hack up a headphone jack and tippy tap the wires together. Either way, I don't see my life depending on it at any time, so I'll just let my CW skills continue to rust. However; your argument does make me wonder how non-hams even have a chance at life in this world... ?? Believe me, I get it. I don't think CW ought to be mandatory and it isn't where I live. I do think people who intend to use it should learn how to use it properly, though. For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. My point is, my bad Spanish might not have recognized the word "fuego" if it was spoken fast among a lot of other words. But on CW it came across loud and clear. As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. Except you'll be a lot slower because you'll need phonetic spellings for everything. Believe me, I know. I've done this. For a living for many years. BTW, I noticed you conveniently left out the specific year in which said burning boat was offshore with an obsolete CW outfit, and how your CW expertise put out a fire.... but I'm guessing we're talking many a year ago, so again, a moot point. Not that long ago, really. Early 1990's if I remember. Actually, The boat thing in general is really killing me... If these numb-nuts are offshore and not on the correct USCG freqs and/or unaware of how to properly tune their radios in an emergency, then it isn't CW saving lives, it's the grace of God that somebody happened to be on their freq at that time. But again, what boats are out there with a CW rig???? That's crazy, bubba. :-) rb This was on 500khz (and 484). CW was the mode of operation on those frequencies until well into the 90's. Cheap SSB radios were plentiful. So were some SITOR lashups. But what finally killed it was INMARSAT. So now, instead of getting nailed by solar flares on HF, you get nailed by them on INMARSAT and have to wait 6 to 9 months for a new launch. Meanwhile you're limping along on SSB using a phonetic alphabet to send traffic at a SLOWER rate. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 |
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:54:37 GMT, "Woody" wrote:
"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message 59... For CW to be effective, both operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were readable by their end recipients). OK.... so by your own words, CW still didn't save a life... CW mixed with bad Spanish passed a message. So now we'll have to add a Spanish test. Thanks a lot. I think you missed the point. Even if you didn't know "ola" from "adios", you can copy Spanish in CW and hand it to the recipient, who can read it. Try that with a mic. As for the language thing.... I can copy voice language and hand it off to another native just as easy and they'll figure it out too. No CW necessary. Really? You can write a spoken language you don't understand well enough to be read by someone who understands it? Maybe. Maybe not. In CW, you can. |
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