In article . com,
"Joe Analssandrini" wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article pan.2006.08.08.20.02.19.280000@Quetzalcoatl,
Bob Dobbs EC42 wrote:

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:26:29 +0000, Telamon wrote:

In article pan.2006.08.08.08.09.44.574000@Quetzalcoatl,
Bob Dobbs EC42 wrote:

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:48:53 +0000, Telamon wrote:

You are being a bit silly about this comparison. Sony
ICF-SW7600GR is about $150 and the Eton E1 is about $500,
which is 3.3 times the cost of the Sony.

Unless you go through your radios quickly, the difference in
initial cost can be amortized in a fraction of their useful
lifespan, plus you have a more entertaining set for all that
time.

You can build a much better widget of any type by spending over
3 times the money on the fabrication cost. You have to compare
radios that cost about the same otherwise it is comparing
apples to oranges.

That's the crux of my point, that over extended time those
spherical objects become more alike and the sweeter taste
outweighs the initial cost.

Most people that have thought about it agree with this outlook.

I can only speak for myself and I'm certainly not 'most people'.

Why do you post here? Is it just to debate? I try to be nice and
I'm just disabused by a new poster to the news group. Well, chances
are you are not new to the news group just one of a small handful
of nut cases that reside here with a new handle so I'll dispense
with the niceties and just declare you completely unreasonable.

Now check this out - You can not compare radios that have a large
cost difference between them. This is not a debatable statement and
you are a fool if you think otherwise. You are obviously just
Trolling for trouble.

I don't go through my radios quickly but that has not been a
price consideration for me. Generally, I have paid more money
for performance and features that cost more money to put into a
radio.

But if you were buying on cost alone, you wouldn't have
accumulated the experience that better equipment provides.

That has nothing to do with the thread as is injecting the E1 into
a thread about radios $200.

There are no radios that you pay more money for just because of
owner status or looks of a radio.

I'd guess from outward signs that there are indeed folk who pay
more for the status and prestige that high costs connote than the
performance generally associated with it.

Yeah that and maybe the new plastic smell right?

Plonk

Dear Telamon,

I absolutely agree with your assessment of some of the new people
here on this group. Who are they anyway? And why do at least some of
them feel the necessity to resort to vulgar language?

I suppose that if someone asked about a comparison of the Honda
Civic, the Toyota Corolla, and the Nissan Sentra on a group, there
would be some "clown" who would post that the Mercedes E-class is
much better "hands-down!"

This is a world wide public news group where individuals are supposed
to participate by posting news and information germane to the news
group. As a public resource some decide to abuse it for as many reasons
as there are people. Some are sociopaths or have defective
personalities where the people around them have shunned them. I suppose
this is another place for them to fail to be able to interact with
other people under a few simple rules. If you were to meet them in
person it would be for the last time as you would actively avoid them
in the future.

It could be that some psychologist is using us for guinea pigs testing
some theory of social interaction. Some of the posters might be on
drugs or be nut cases. Some people just like to play mind games on
others. Why? Maybe a form of control so they feel powerful? Who knows
what is really going on with some of the posters to the news group.

The original question was for a comparison of SSB performance between
the Degen DE-1103 and the Sony ICF-SW7600GR (with a mention of a
couple of other small SW portables). Also the original poster said he
was interested in using a (potential) new receiver for MW broadcasts.

As I stated in my original post here, I do not own a Degen DE-1103. I
do own the Sony ICF-SW7600GR and its performance on SSB is very good
for a portable in its size and price class (that last should have
gone without saying!), at least in my opinion. (And I think I forgot
to mention that it is a superlative performer on MW as well.)

Last night, reception conditions were mediocre and the stations I
could hear (Australia, New Zealand, the Netherlands, and a few
others) had shows that were not of interest to me at that time. (I
was feeling a bit out of sorts.) So I decided to try the 80-meter Ham
band. On 3933 kHz (around 0420 UTC) I heard a group of Hams talking
and the signal was very clear. Just for the heck of it, I turned off
my AOR/Wellbrook and turned on the Sony/AN-LP1. The signal was by no
means as clear or as strong as on the AOR, but it was intelligble, if
not pleasant. On the AOR the signal sounded like "straight" AM; on
the Sony the signal was obviously sideband. But then look at the
difference in price! You're absolutely right - it is unfair to
compare radios in different price classes especially in view of the
obvious fact that radios in different price (and size) classes have
different purposes.

Yesterday morning conditions were poor for me receiving stations across
the NA continent. The geomagnetic field was unsettled but it has been
that way in the past and Australia and NZ have come in just fine.

Some antennas work better than others depending on the time of day and
conditions. It is a good idea to have more than one kind of antenna
around as the best angle of reception varies.

I think the Sony did all right! (Unfortunately the Hams were talking
about Heat Pumps, which is not one of my favorite subjects. So after
my little "experiment," I turned everything off and went to bed!)

I find most ham conversations boring. That would change if some were my
friends and I was interested in their personal details but as strangers
talking about some thing that interests them is generally not
interesting. When I listen to hams I care about how well I receive them
and where they are located and maybe their equipment but that is about
it.

I suppose there's no real way to keep some of the "nastier" people
off this group, such as H. Slate. As I'm sure you, Telamon, and many
others know here I do try to answer questions where I feel that I can
be of some help to someone. I've been an SWL for almost fifty years
(of course that doesn't always make my answers right) and while my
shortwave radio "collection" is by no means as extensive as many of
the people here, I do have a fair amount of experience using the ones
I have (and quite a few others as well). If my messages are unwanted
by the majority of "old-timers" here, well just let me know and there
will be no hard feelings.

It's a public news group so all you can do is kill file the problem
people. There are a handful of trouble makers that change their handles
after a while when most people have kill filed them.

I've been called a few names before (most notably by my wife) but
this is the first time I've been called a "shill."

This is just some Trolling individual trying to cause trouble with you.
If this happened to you in person you would get away from them and
actively avoid them. Here some are under the delusion that you must
read what they post or you are "controlling" them.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California