I turned my scanner onto a particular "dead" frequency (actually, it
doesn't matter which frequency - every one I tried produced the same
results) and of course heard nothing but static (and of course the
squelch was 1 or 2 because anything higher would mute out the sound).

I then plugged my IC recorder (digital voice recorder) into the back of
the scanner and pressed record. I uploaded the recording to my computer
with Adobe Audition and amplified the sound, and could hear human
voices (this was confirmed by various witnesses) saying things that
would have me in doubt that I was picking up a stray broadcast. Words
were used like "ghosts", "spirit", the "n" word, along with meaningless
dribble and weird animal sounds. This was in the same back bedroom
where I set up my RF signal generator, scanner, and other recording
equipment to mimic the 70s Spiricom "Mark IV" experiment.

My question is this: can a digital recorder pick up voices through a
frequency if plugged into the back of the scanner (of human origin)
that cannot be heard through the scanner's speaker? The same recording
was done of the room with the white noise of the dead frequency in the
background and entirely different results were produced, with the
voices sounding less monotone and more like others were in the room
talking.

Of course, it doesn't help that I was doing paranormal research using
the digital recorder at a desolated black cemetery in town here and
abruptly stopped to focus on 2-way communication as opposed to EVPs.

Any way to easily explain away the voices that show up on the recording
of the static/frequency but not the static/frequency itself when
listened to in real-time?

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I turned my scanner onto a particular "dead" frequency (actually, it
doesn't matter which frequency - every one I tried produced the same
results) and of course heard nothing but static (and of course the
squelch was 1 or 2 because anything higher would mute out the sound).

I then plugged my IC recorder (digital voice recorder) into the back of
the scanner and pressed record. I uploaded the recording to my computer
with Adobe Audition and amplified the sound, and could hear human
voices (this was confirmed by various witnesses) saying things that
would have me in doubt that I was picking up a stray broadcast. Words
were used like "ghosts", "spirit", the "n" word, along with meaningless
dribble and weird animal sounds. This was in the same back bedroom
where I set up my RF signal generator, scanner, and other recording
equipment to mimic the 70s Spiricom "Mark IV" experiment.

My question is this: can a digital recorder pick up voices through a
frequency if plugged into the back of the scanner (of human origin)
that cannot be heard through the scanner's speaker? The same recording
was done of the room with the white noise of the dead frequency in the
background and entirely different results were produced, with the
voices sounding less monotone and more like others were in the room
talking.

Of course, it doesn't help that I was doing paranormal research using
the digital recorder at a desolated black cemetery in town here and
abruptly stopped to focus on 2-way communication as opposed to EVPs.

Any way to easily explain away the voices that show up on the recording
of the static/frequency but not the static/frequency itself when
listened to in real-time?

If this is not an attempt at trolling.........

All that's happening is a simple case of "Rectification". You are hearing
one or more AM broadcast stations. This is nothing new.
Unless of course you really WANT to believe this is something it's not.....

I once heard someone on c to c (the coast to coast KOOK show) say they
put a new cassette tape in a cassette recorder and with no body in the
room or nearby and no radio or tv turned on,he picked up some human
voices on his tape recorder.Of course I dont believe that hogwash.
cuhulin

wrote:
I once heard someone on c to c (the coast to coast KOOK show) say they
put a new cassette tape in a cassette recorder and with no body in the
room or nearby and no radio or tv turned on,he picked up some human
voices on his tape recorder.Of course I dont believe that hogwash.
cuhulin

EVP experiments have been quite substantiated in laboratory settings.
Before dismissing something as "hogwash" why don't you try for
yourself? Simply make a 30-second recording with preferably a digital
recorder (that way you don't try to explain away the voices by thinking
the cassette tape was previously recorded on or the magnetic silica
that make up the tape are somehow picking up stray radio broadcasts)
and ask some simple questions.

It's best to do it with a small bit of white noise in the background -
if you're worried about rectification from your scanner or radio, try a
TV station full of static with the antenna unplugged, or a ceiling fan,
etc. Then upload the recording and amplify the sound a little
(amplification in no way alters the recording, only makes the voices
easier to decipher).

We've picked up so many EVPs that EVP itself is now boring and a
dead-end of sorts. Hence the need to set up apparatus for 2-way radio
communication using tones being sent to various frequencies (the
original Spiricom experment used 29.570 MHz), then waiting for days,
months, or even years until you get that first contact. It's more about
patience than believing, because once you do pick up the voices, you
will certainly question the reality you live in.

Jeff

PS The Panasonic RR-DR60 recorder was yanked from the market because of
consumer complaints about unexplained voices showing up during business
meetings, etc. It became the Holy Grail of EVP recorders, and recently
had a bid of $1100 for a used recorder on eBay.

It retailed for $40.

wrote:
wrote:
I once heard someone on c to c (the coast to coast KOOK show) say they
put a new cassette tape in a cassette recorder and with no body in the
room or nearby and no radio or tv turned on,he picked up some human
voices on his tape recorder.Of course I dont believe that hogwash.
cuhulin

Simply make a 30-second recording with preferably a digital
recorder (that way you don't try to explain away the voices by thinking
the cassette tape was previously recorded on or the magnetic silica
that make up the tape are somehow picking up stray radio broadcasts)

First, I believe you mean the magnetic iron oxide, not silica, which is
sand. You would have to have a STRONG modulated -magnetic- field to
inadvertently pick up "mysterious" voices.

Finally, what makes you think a digital recorder is immune to
rectification? -EACH- IC (Integrated Circuit chip) in the digital
recorder contains hundreds of P-N junctions which ARE rectifiers and
thus susceptible to unwanted rectification of RF fields.

Bottom line: a digital recorder is equally or -more- likely to pick up a
stray RF field than a analog tape recorder.


PS The Panasonic RR-DR60 recorder was yanked from the market because of
consumer complaints about unexplained voices showing up during business
meetings, etc. It became the Holy Grail of EVP recorders, and recently
had a bid of $1100 for a used recorder on eBay.
It retailed for $40.

Which proves nothing except that

a) the Panasonic design weenie was not cognizant of standard RFI
mitigation techniques.

b) P.T. Barnum was right! There is indeed a sucker born every minute.

As a seller, ya gotta love eBay!

One Hung Low wrote:

First, I believe you mean the magnetic iron oxide, not silica, which is
sand. You would have to have a STRONG modulated -magnetic- field to
inadvertently pick up "mysterious" voices.

Finally, what makes you think a digital recorder is immune to
rectification? -EACH- IC (Integrated Circuit chip) in the digital
recorder contains hundreds of P-N junctions which ARE rectifiers and
thus susceptible to unwanted rectification of RF fields.

Bottom line: a digital recorder is equally or -more- likely to pick up a
stray RF field than a analog tape recorder.

Then I have one question and one assumption: Is there a way of making a
recording of the environment without the possibility of rectification?
And... a leading theory in EVP is: "EVP is considered to be radio
frequency signals that inadvertently find their way into your
recordings by way of cross-modulation, atmospheric refraction or
indirect rectification. Many paranormal investigators feel that these
voices or signals are somehow connected to ghosts."

Let's say for the sake of debate that some voices using the EVP process
are genuinely otherworldly or from another dimension. They have to show
up on our recording apparatus somehow, and I guess the leading theory
is that this is through RF signals. The question of "how" is beyond my
league. I simply deal with results, and the results

- Contain language, complete first-and-last names of myself and others
who are involved in this research, prophetic messages, etc., that would
never be broadcast on any AM or other radio station.
- The phrases are often times speeded up during certain words, as if
the message is trying to be purposely fit into a short time. Some EVPs
are so fast that you have to slow down the speech to understand it.
- I can pick up louder and more clear words (actually sounding like
they're coming from vocal chords) without *any* background sound or
white noise, as opposed to the relatively weaker and more monotone
voices picked up from the scanner, using the *same* recorder in the
same setting during the same atmospheric events (weather, solar flares)
- Some voices are so loud and clear that it would be highly improbable
for someone doing a simple recording to explain away by a stray radio
signal, unless it's coming from another dimension.

If you would try EVP for yourself and judge the voices you capture on
an objective, one-by-one basis, instead of dismissing every voice
anyone has ever picked up as having no chance of being paranormal in
nature, you might question more the world around you. It just so
happens that EVP is the best way to get evidence of that world.


PS The Panasonic RR-DR60 recorder was yanked from the market because of
consumer complaints about unexplained voices showing up during business
meetings, etc. It became the Holy Grail of EVP recorders, and recently
had a bid of $1100 for a used recorder on eBay.
It retailed for $40.

Which proves nothing except that

a) the Panasonic design weenie was not cognizant of standard RFI
mitigation techniques.

If that is why the recorder was so good for EVP, then someone could
easily alter another recorder or build their own and sell it as an EVP
recorder and make a considerable amount of money, considering the
public's interest has skyrocketed.

b) P.T. Barnum was right! There is indeed a sucker born every minute.

As a seller, ya gotta love eBay!

I have another explanation: People in today's society are lazy and want
to take the easiest route to accomplish something - if there was a
"holy grail" of EVP recorders, people would buy it instead of spending
time working from the ground up with a standard recorder. Sure, my
recorder didn't even pick up voices at first. Then gradually some
voices were picked up. Now I can't do a 30-second session without
sometimes dozens of voices showing up, speaking over top each other,
without any white noise. And that seems to correlate with my own
travels to cemeteries and the building of a machine to communicate with
other dimensions.

If you were a spirit and had a message to convey, you'd probably
gravitate toward someone who was spending time trying to open up the
door to communication.

EVP research (it's research because it can't easily be explained away
by those who were skeptical at first but did their own investigation of
the phenomenon) takes patience, an open mind, and no particular belief
system starting out. But it's not recommended for everybody. In fact, I
took the easy way out by trying to visit places in hopes something
would follow me back. Now it has, and I can pick it up anytime I want
to.

Jeff

One Hung Low wrote:

b) P.T. Barnum was right! There is indeed a sucker born every minute.


http://www.historybuff.com/library/refbarnum.html





mike

wrote:

wrote:
I once heard someone on c to c (the coast to coast KOOK show) say they
put a new cassette tape in a cassette recorder and with no body in the
room or nearby and no radio or tv turned on,he picked up some human
voices on his tape recorder.Of course I dont believe that hogwash.
cuhulin

EVP experiments have been quite substantiated in laboratory settings.
Before dismissing something as "hogwash" why don't you try for
yourself? Simply make a 30-second recording with preferably a digital
recorder (that way you don't try to explain away the voices by thinking
the cassette tape was previously recorded on or the magnetic silica
that make up the tape are somehow picking up stray radio broadcasts)
and ask some simple questions.

It's best to do it with a small bit of white noise in the background -
if you're worried about rectification from your scanner or radio, try a
TV station full of static with the antenna unplugged, or a ceiling fan,
etc. Then upload the recording and amplify the sound a little
(amplification in no way alters the recording, only makes the voices
easier to decipher).

We've picked up so many EVPs that EVP itself is now boring and a
dead-end of sorts. Hence the need to set up apparatus for 2-way radio
communication using tones being sent to various frequencies (the
original Spiricom experment used 29.570 MHz), then waiting for days,
months, or even years until you get that first contact. It's more about
patience than believing, because once you do pick up the voices, you
will certainly question the reality you live in.

You're a f00kin k00k.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I do own a little RCA six hour digital recorder,and several cassette
tape recorders too.(the Bell South woman or that other woman lost the
battery cover and the instruction manual when I loaned it to them last
Feburary) My Radio Shack Pro-91 hand held scanner radio has an earphone
jack on top by the antenna and on/off/volume control knob and the
squelch knob.How should I hook it up?
cuhuln

wrote:
I do own a little RCA six hour digital recorder,and several cassette
tape recorders too.(the Bell South woman or that other woman lost the
battery cover and the instruction manual when I loaned it to them last
Feburary) My Radio Shack Pro-91 hand held scanner radio has an earphone
jack on top by the antenna and on/off/volume control knob and the
squelch knob.How should I hook it up?
cuhuln

I too use an RCA recorder, a 5012A model. My friend uses a 5012B model
but it doesn't work as well. Many say it depends on who is using the
recorder. For some reason I don't get nearly as many voices when the
recorder is left by itself, but if the operator is near it, the more
success you'll have. I think it's because they use your energy somehow.

Get an audio cable and plug from the mic jack on the recorder to the
earphone jack on the scanner, tune to a random frequency with only
static and press record. Record for about 30 seconds and upload the
tape onto your computer and amplify the sound (shareware software like
Cool Edit is best, and also the use of a Denoiser helps:

http://www.speechpro.com/production/?id=468&fid=7

click on "Denoiser Demo" on top right of the screen - it only allows
you to denoise 30 seconds at a time but that's perfect for EVP
recordings. I have not used the Virtos Denoiser or other newer denoiser
software which have popped up overnight).

Some here may argue that the use of a denoiser may corrupt the results
further, but experiments with it using my own faint voice over a lot of
white noise proved beneficial in that the denoiser clearly brought out
my voice which was nearly inaudible over the static. Remember,
everything in the universe involves energy. It would take a
particularly strong spirit to yell or scream on a tape. Most voices are
faint but as you record and experiment more they get stronger. Soon
you'll recognize who they are by their voice.

For a control, do a separate recording of the frequency without
plugging it through the scanner. For some reason the voices that appear
through the scanner are more monotone, and the ones in the room with
the scanner used as background noise are more dimensional in nature.

Good luck and feel free to email me if you need help.

Jeff