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Code is very close to dead. Slow Code please read.
Wrong. If you took the test and passed, you have proven your ability to
operate. Otherwise what's the point of testing?. If you ever took a cw course or test you would understand the comment. I was extending a personal opinion before where I commented on code courses and the testing procedures. There's always room for improvement. I don't concede to the fact that just because YOU believe testing does nothing to enhance ones ability to operate, that it's true. Your response about distress calls proves the point I have been making. You admit to not having knowledge of cw beyond the ability to decipher only two letters, S and O. You can distinguish 2 of 26 letters and learning anymore according to you is to difficult. I think you can learn more, you just won't make an effort. BTW, not all distress calls start out as SOS like in the movies. How would you know you were hearing one, by looking at a computer screen all the time? To determine the effectiveness of a particular band you go looking for a beacon signal. How do you know if your tuned on the right station if you can't understand cw? You admit the lack of cw knowledge would make it a necessity for you to "call around" locating someone who could help if you heard a distress call. If cw is not required anymore to obtain a license, locating someone who does know cw might take a little while. You want the opportunity to operate below 30 mhz without a cw test. Then you shouldn't be allowed in the freq ranges allocated to cw until you are endorsed for it. I certainly wouldn't desire less than a fully qualified pilot in the cockpit or doctor in the operating room. With your way of thinking, testing should allow full privileges and it shouldn't have to be difficult so you can pass it without studying. That is how I define the degradation of ham licensing. You want to take the easy way out and I can't stop you, just don't expect any pats on the back from those of us who had to work for what we got. At least we can appreciate what we got. Here goes the neighborhood! |
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Code is very close to dead. Slow Code please read.
Your a riot, CW is as out of date as smoke signals or beating on drums to
communicate. Welcome to the 21st century, through mans existance we have always looked for better ways to communicate, telegraph was replaced by telephones, spark gap transmissions were 'replaced' by 'phone' service in 2 way radios, AM modulation was replaced (pretty much) by FM modulation, and now is transitioning to digital. Sure your 'free' to use CW to communicate ( to whowever will still have the outdated skills to do so in the near future), you are also 'free' to drive a horse and buggy to work, and use an outhouse if you so desire. Just don't 'EXPECT' the rest of the modern world to hold on to your outdated and archaic ideas. "Clem" wrote in message . 97.136... Diana Satyr wrote in : In article 36, Clem wrote: "Douche Bag" wrote in ps.com: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/27/bu...l?_r=1&em&ex=1 167 368400&en=19d9459b705ce909&ei=5087%0A&oref=slogin That ancient code as you put it is a language made in heaven. When Amtor, Pactor, this TOR or that TOR, SSTV and even phone can't make it through, the Lord was kind enough to provide us with cw. One thing you failed to notice was that the FCC did not do away with CW. No no no ... it can still be used. Wait until contest time you witless twit! CW blows phone away when conditions are tough. If you want to see skill and savvy at work then build a Captain Decoder kit and "listen" in. Of course that's providing you have such skills. You think your all that because you took a written test and passed? HA! Dig out a test sheet from before the age of transistors and chips. You'll fast discover my friend that earlier on in this world people developed skills, real skills, not a fast or cheap introduction with a yellow and black book befittingly described as "For Dummies!" I can see the day when the station you want to talk to the most can't hear a peep out of you because you don't have the skills or knowledge to do much more than turn equipment on or off. Yes sir, that's where Amateur Radio it's heading to, a bargain basement of radio licenses because nobody could set the kid straight and teach him a few dits and dahs. Impress me and learn a new trick besides roll over and play dead! Now things are just as they should be. Folks (mostly old) who like code are free to use it. The few folks who want to learn it are likewise free to do so. But no-one anymore has to go through said agonizingly boring process just to become a ham. Moonman No, things are NOT as they should be. CW never was and never will be an "older generation" issue. There was a purpose and reason for knowing cw and being required to pass a cw test to hold a license. Unfortunately, the F.C.C. lost sight of that issue and grew weary of ham want-to-be's screaming Gimmie! Gimmie! This new ruling is just another example of how higher authority gets tired of the whining and crying and gives in. Bad move. I stand on what I said earlier. Some people think getting a license should be as easy as ordering a Big Mac. I suppose we should do the same thing for drivers and pilots licensing too. Makes me feel real secure. NOT! Perhaps you never came across an instructor or training package suited to your level of learning. That doesn't mean it's difficult to learn or your incapable. I was a VE and I have taught people between 7 and 80, literally. I have taught cw to people with disabilities who rather than opt for a waiver that would have made licensing easier for them, kept at it until they passed. There is more than one way to pass a cw test. Only once had I witnessed someone who after 5 attempts was allowed to take the test by other than conventional means. When he was told he passed he almost fell out of his chair. New hams today just want it easier. You didn't win anything because the F.C.C. lifted the requirment, you lost the ability to be apart of something that could have expanded your horizons. Don't you feel better now that you impossed a self limitation on yourself? |
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Code is very close to dead. Slow Code please read.
"labtech1" wrote in
: You're a riot, CW is as out of date as smoke signals or beating on drums to communicate. Welcome to the 21st century, through mans existence we have always looked for better ways to communicate, telegraph was replaced by telephones, spark gap transmissions were 'replaced' by 'phone' service in 2 way radios, AM modulation was replaced (pretty much) by FM modulation, and now is transitioning to digital. Sure your 'free' to use CW to communicate ( to whowever will still have the outdated skills to do so in the near future), you are also 'free' to drive a horse and buggy to work, and use an outhouse if you so desire. Just don't 'EXPECT' the rest of the modern world to hold on to your outdated and archaic ideas. You are obviously one of the lethargic few who will debate until your last breath that something like a TNC will do all the work, so why bother to learn something new? Let me pass on some facts: CW retains characteristics not lost over distance. You won't find this with other modes. Since CW relies on only an on-off keyed radio signal, it requires less complex equipment than other forms of radio communication, and it can be used in very high noise / low signal environments. It requires less bandwidth than voice communications, typically 100-150 Hz as compared to the roughly 2400 Hz of single-sideband voice. Transmitted energy is concentrated into a very small bandwidth, making it possible to use narrow receiver filters, that suppress or eliminates interference on nearby frequencies. The narrow signal bandwidth also takes advantage of the natural aural selectivity of the human brain, further enhancing weak signal readability. What does that mean? Your brain will be able to decode the signal long after your TNC loses the ability to. If you want to learn more, open a book and read. The extensive use of pro-signs, Q codes, and the restricted format of a typical messages, facilitates CW communication between amateur radio operators who do not share a common mother tongue. Geeze, learn a new language like morse code and you can converse with minimal difficulty to people who normally don't speak your language. This proves that CW is worth preserving. It provides a fundamental means of communications between operators of different continents. This hobby is fast losing that ability with mindless twits like you! Until 2003 the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) mandated Morse code proficiency as part of the amateur radio licensing procedure throughout the world. In some countries, certain parts of the amateur radio bands are still reserved for transmission of Morse code signals only. Have you looked at our band plan lately? You probably don't know this, but the FCC has a "use it or lose it" policy. Look what happened to the 11 meter band now called C.B. or the bottom half of the 220 band that was sold off. We stand a real chance of losing portions of the hf band because of a loss of qualified CW operators. While the reality of that situation would take a number of years to surface, it is something we need to think about and prepare for now, not later. Just because some operators use a more modern method of communications, it does not necessarily signify accomplished applications like CW will automatically become outdated as you try to depict. What you consider outdated and ancient is still in use today on ships by the military and on over-seas flights. It is just no longer the standard or primary form. Remember those odd TELEX numbers? Today we call it a FAX. Most airline pilots still have the ability to receive a TELEX from one from their offices right in the cockpit. In light of 9/11 they are moving away from that system to satellites which provide a more instantaneous and reliable form of communications. You descriptions of old vs. new were hysterical! Let me give you a big fat history lesson. Morse code came to being in the mid 1830's. The first use of CW over radio was in the 1890's. Now this is where your ignorance really shines. Spark Gap transmitters were not replaced by phone users. Spark Gap's were the original transmitters for morse code dating back to the end of the 19th century. Spark gap transmitters generate fairly broad signals. As the more efficient transmission mode of continuous waves (CW) became easier to produce and band crowding and interference got worse, spark-gap sets and damped waves were "legislated" (theres that government word again) off the new shorter wavelengths by international treaty, and replaced by Poulsen arc converters and high frequency alternators. Later these too yielded to vacuum tube technology and the 'electric age' of amateur radio would end. Long after being stopped for communications, spark gap transmitters were employed for radio jamming. WW2 vets can attest to that. Spark gap oscillators are still used to generate high frequency high voltage to initiate welding arcs in gas tungsten arc welding. If you want to know the definitive differences between the two, open a book! With the development of more advanced communication technologies, the widespread use of CW is now largely outmoded. That does not make it outdated, unusable or undesirable as you would want me to think. Before you insert foot in mouth, know what the hell your talking about. Any nearby village lost an idiot lately? I think I found him. The telephone did not replace the telegraph. Until 1877, all rapid long- distance communication depended upon the telegraph. That year, a rival technology developed, the telephone. By 1879, patent litigation between Western Union and the infant telephone system was ended in an agreement that largely separated the two services. The telegraph continued after the invention of the telephone. FYI - Western Union sent its last telegram in January of 2006. It took 129 years for the telegraph to succumb to more modern technologies in the United States. I would say CW must perform remarkably well, just not as fast. The telegraph was a format of communications between two locations tied together by wire. Early systems produced a paper copy with raised dots and dashes, which were translated later by an operator. When you saw someone reading a ticker-tape in an old movie, they were translating morse code or at least faking it for your amusement. The telegraphs adversary if you need to have one, was the ability to send code "wireless." signals carrying the same morse code as opposed to using wires. It later became referred to as CW or (LMAO) SPARK GAP! Operators discovered accidently that they developed the ability to distinguish by ear the various "clicks" the code made as it was transmitted. The paper strip was discontinued and operators decoded CW by ear up to 40 and sometimes 50 wpm. Boo! Hoo!, young ones today can't copy 5 wpm. Boo Hoo my ass! People are relying more on conveniences of a TNC than their own abilities. AM was not replaced by FM signals. They are two totally different formats each having their own pros and cons. The transition to digital can be accomplished with almost any form of signal. BTW, AM mode transmissions are still used today in private, commercial and military aircraft. Consult your scanner book for more info. It is FAR from outdated as you believe. Don't talk to me about how we're just going to digital. We've been operating digitally for years, where have you been, under a rock? Hedy Lamarr, does the name ring a bell? She was a very famous actress in the 30's and 40's. She invented spread spectrum. Look up U.S. Patent number 2,292,387. It was applied for June 10, 1941, and received August 11th, 1942. Spread spectrum is the basis for the communications security of the strategic $25 billion MILSAT Defense communications system. Based on what you believe, MILSAT must be outdated too, right? I found your analogy of a horse and buggy compared to CW amusing. What you apparently failed to learn in life is the appreciation one puts into the craftsmanship of the buggy. We still make them, still make the bridles and even the saddles when we want to ride high atop of the horse. How many CW contests have you been in on the radio? Do you know what one is? Do you know why we have them? Do you know what the various code types are for? I have observed for years that the older one gets the more knowledgeable that person usually become. It's just a scheme of life. You on the other hand disappoint me very much. You might have gained the ability to operate hf through the changes of a few laws, yet you fail to appreciate what is gained from the experience. You have the temerity to say I am wrong for having and defending all the knowledge I have gained over the years, when you can't even comprehend how stupid you made yourself look by not knowing just some simple facts about this hobby. Until you can show one ounce of appreciation for what you have and for what others like myself have gone through to get OUR tickets, your no radio operator in my eyes, you're just an arrogant snob. BTW, look up outdated and archaic. They both mean the same thing. Stutter too? Marc -snip- |
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Code is very close to dead. Slow Code please read.
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