On Jan 5, 7:37 am, "bpnjensen" wrote:
RHF wrote:
BpnJ,

ABOUT - Mercury
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)

Organic Mercury Compounds {Methyl-Mercury} Meta-Mercury ?
http://www.greenfacts.org/glossary/m...-compounds.htm
IIRC - When they build a Dam {Reservoir} one of the things
that they have found that they need to do is remove all the
Trees and other Vegetation : Because most of it has some
Organic Mercury in it and as it Decays under the Water and
is Consumed by the Animals, Plants and Fish in the Water
the Organic Mercury then enters the Human Food Chain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservoir_(water)

Scientific Facts on Mercury {Q&A}
http://www.greenfacts.org/mercury/index.htm

Mercury and its Many Forms
http://www.calpoison.org/public/mercury.htmlThanks for this.


- - While CFL Bulbs do use and consume Mercury via Electrical
- - Generation.

- Not exactly - they contain mercury and it is part
- of the light-production process.

- No mercury is consumed - the lifetime starting mass
- is equal to the lifetime ending mass.

-R- Incandescent Bulbs use 3-4 times the Electrical Energy
and thus require 3-4 times the Electrical Generation -and-
When that Electricity is from a Coal-Fired Electrical Power
Generation Plants Mercury Air Pollution is a by-product.

Over their Rated Service Life they us less Mercury
then the same number of Incandescent Bulbs required for that
CFL's Rated Service Life period that have the same Rated Light
Output : Because they use much less energy and the production
of Energy results in the by product of Mercury in our Air and Water.

- How so? How does energy consumption and production result
- in signficant mercury release?

-R- Coal-Fired-Electrical-Power-Generation-Plants {China PRC}


In any case, a CFL bulb or any other FL bulb concentrates mercury in a
way that few other products will nowadays. It is this concentration -
possibly within reach of a person and their skin/mouth - that presents
the problem. There may be a great deal of mercury out and about in the
environment (and it also concentrates at the top of the food chain, in
fish especially), but in minute forms and scattered as it is, it is not
likely to affect any individual if that individual is careful not to
ingest high-merc foods.

BJ

BpnJ - One Word ; "Coal"

Coal 'fired' Electrical Power Generation Plants are a significant
source of Mercury and Sulfur Air Pollution which results in Acid
Rain and Higher Levels of Mercury in Lakes and Streams.
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deput...n/acidrain.htm

http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/aw/ai...h/acidrain.htm
http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/e...idrain817.html


The Environmental Literacy Council - Acid Rain and Mercury
http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/2.html

New England Governors and Eastern Canadian Premiers
- Adopt Mercury and Acid Rain Action Plan
http://dep.state.ct.us/whatshap/Press/1998/mercury.htm

TVA - Acid Rain and Mercury
- Air Emissions from Coal-Fired Power Plants
http://www.tva.gov/environment/air/o...r/acidrain.htm
EPA = http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/cmprpt/arp05/

CHINA - The World's Newest Mega-Pollutor -Invisible Export-
A Hidden Cost of China's Growth: Mercury Migration and Acid Rain
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=5058
Using Coal as a Source of Power - The Nation of China (PRC)
Sends Toxic Metal Around Globe; Buildup in the Great Lakes
Conveyor Belt of Bad Air
EPA & CHINA =
http://www.epa.gov/oia/airandclimate.../chinaair.html

CHINA : Pollution From Chinese Coal-Fired-Electrical Power Plants
- Casts a Global Poisonous Shadow World Wide
-The New York Times- http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13709
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...%2fAcid%20Rain

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/bu...pagewanted=all

One of China's lesser-known Exports is a Dangerous Brew of
Soot, Toxic Chemicals and Climate-Changing Gases from the
Smokestacks of Coal-Fired Electrical Power Generation Plants.

Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)
NRDC = http://www.nrdc.org/
* Saving 2.5 Million Barrels of Oil a Day by 2015
http://www.nrdc.org/air/energy/rep/chap1.asp
* Providing America with Clean, Affordable Electricity
http://www.nrdc.org/air/energy/rep/chap2.asp
* Creating a Responsible Natural Gas Policy
http://www.nrdc.org/air/energy/rep/chap3.asp


cough, Cough. COUGH ! Coal-Fired Air Pollution is Real ~ RHF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cough
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_pollution

Cuhulin - That Is A Great Idea :

A Hazardious Waste Tax on CFLs and Batteries with
The Right-of-Return {Duty-to-Recycle} With-In-the-Store
[ Recycling-at-the-Store - Point-of-Sale-Recycling ]

Hey - It Ought To Be A Law !
- - - Write Your Congressperson -and- State Representatives too.

now that is something to think about ~ RHF

On Jan 8, 8:30 am, "bpnjensen" wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Jan 5, 7:37 am, "bpnjensen" wrote:
RHF wrote:
BpnJ,

ABOUT - Mercury
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)snips

BpnJ - One Word ; "Coal"snips

cough, Cough. COUGH ! Coal-Fired Air Pollution is Real ~ RHF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cough
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_pollutionYes, thanks for all of this - a good reminder. Unfortunately, coal
remains plentiful, and not only China but the US and several other
nations are eyeing coal and coal-derived fossil fuels as an important
next step in energy production. It will require significantly more
costly technology to burn it cleanly, not only for reduction of mercury
and other heavy metals, but also, as you mention, to reduce acidic
emissions.

BJ

BpnJ,

We will eventually be paying $4-$5-per-Gallon for Gas.

We can either be Paying to US Produced Coal Based Fuel
and help our own economy -or- We can be sending the
Money Over Seas and hurting ourselves. Until we have well
developed Alternative Fuel Sources with all the necessary
Infrastructures-in-Place Fossil Fuel from Imported-Foreign-Oil
-or- American-Made-Coal-Fuel are the two short term sources
that can meet-our-daily-needs for Energy-to-Run-the-Nation
and Our Economy. Coal-Based-Fuel can be 'bootstrapped'
into the existing Oil-Based-Fuel Distribution System.

Fly-the-US-Flag on the Old Wood Pile for American Energy Independence !

Yes - The Wood Pile America's First {Original} Symbol
of Home Grown Energy Independence !
- - - Burn Wood and Be Free !
- - - An American's Home Is His Castle :
When It Is Heated With All American Wood !

Five Essentials to Getting-the-Most out of your Woodpile
http://hearth.com/what/essentials.html

The Wood Fuel is the Thing - How To Prepare your Firewood Supply
http://www.woodheat.org/firewood/fuelproc.htm

Heating Rural Homes - The Personal and Social Side of Wood Heating
http://www.woodheat.org/lore/thesis.htm

National Energy Foundation's "Log Pile" Project, a project that aims
to promote and aid the use of Wood as a Source of Renewable Energy
and Sustainable Heating. http://www.nef.org.uk/logpile/index.htm

Burn Clean - The Smart Use of Wood as an Independent
Renewable Energy Source. http://www.burningclean.com/
Hello - Woodburning Fireplace and Wood Stove Owners !
Make a Change and "SAVE" Money and Energy.
* How To Burn With Wood Cleanly, Efficiently, & Responsibly
* Straight Answers To Your Wood Burning Questions

God {Allah} Bless The All-American Wood Pile - Amen
[ May The Smoke From Your Chimney Be Heaven Bound. ]


i wood if i could -and- i do burn all american wood ~ RHF

On Jan 8, 8:26 am, "bpnjensen" wrote:
RHF wrote:
Cuhulin - That Is A Great Idea :

A Hazardious Waste Tax on CFLs and Batteries with
The Right-of-Return {Duty-to-Recycle} With-In-the-Store
[ Recycling-at-the-Store - Point-of-Sale-Recycling ]

Hey - It Ought To Be A Law !
- - - Write Your Congressperson -and- State Representatives too.

now that is something to think about ~ RHF
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On Jan 5, 12:55 pm, wrote:
I think that some stores,such as Wal Mart and the like,should let people
bring their old fluoresecent light bulbs/lights to the stores and the
stores could turn in the old bulbs/lights to a collection agency,all at
no charge to the customers.That might keep a lot of mercury out of the
landfills/water tables.Sounds like a good idea to me.
cuhulinThis idea could work very well, I think, but the methods should be
handled carefully. In lieu of that, here in the County in CA where RHF
(sometimes) and I live, there are household hazmat collection centers
for homeowners to bring their hazmat stuff free (including fluorescent
bulbs and batteries, among other things). Admittedly, this forces a
person to make a special trip to the hazmat collection center. Despite
this requirement, the system has worked well so far - Alameda County
is, overall and statistically, one of the more conscientious counties
in CA when it comes to properly disposing of bad stuff and recycling
good stuff.

I'm not sure if a point-of-sale collection center would work *better*
or not (to be fair, every hardware / department / drug / grocery store
that sells them would need to provide the service, which would probably
include collection, separation into types and haul to a *business*
hazmat waste collection center.) This system, as convenient as it
would be for the consumer, would introduce another "middle-man" into
the chain, which would likely insert some new complexity, and
possibility for irresponsibility, to the system.

Bruce Jensen

BpnJ - Most Stores have Daily or Weekly Garbage Pick-Up :
So Integrating Haz-Mat-Recycling at the Point-of-Sale is
one of the most Energy Friendly methods of building on the
current activities of the Consumers and their relationship
with the Stores {Their Suppliers}. ~ RHF