The higer the altitude,the thinner the air,the longer it takes to boil
water.Less oxygen in the air,the higher the altitude.At 20,000 feet
altitude,a shotgun sounds like striking a match.Five million years ago
there was about twenty percent more oxygen in the air.Where did the
oxygen go?
cuhulin

I have written an email to Al Gore to check this out.

"ve3..." wrote in message
ps.com...
A massive arctic cold wave is heading for the midwest and east. It has
already hit the prairies with record cold and blizzard conditions with
three dead so far. A front of this strength can affect radio reception
so it might be worthwhile to tune through the bands for the next four
days.
Household tip: For some unknown reason, hot water pipes freeze
before cold water pipes.
A trickle of water will prevent pipes from freezing.
Thed Global warming debate will resume in July.

Yeah - Global Freezing has visted Twain Harte, Calif. USA
Where Todays High Temp was only 31.7* F -but- the Local
Weather report claims it got up to 36.3*F and is now at 6PM
back down to 25*F.
TW Weather = http://www.mymotherlode.com/Weather/
California's Gold Country - Highway 49 and The-Mother-Lode
HYWAY 49 = http://www.historichwy49.com/mainmap.html
HISTORY = http://www.historichwy49.com/home.html

Technically "California State Route 49"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_R...8California%29
And along 'The Road' is Chili Gulch at Mile Post 26.4
26.4 Miles - Hey that's a Marathon - BTDTx42 ~ RHF

CHILI GULCH = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_Gulch
which was the Site of the so called "Chilean War" of 1849
Chili Culch - See California Historic Landmark # 265
http://ohp.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=21392
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ical_Landmarks
A little bit of Family History - Chili Gulch, California
The Birth Place of My Daddy in 1897 and His Daddy in 1849.
For He Was - The Son of a Son of a Forty-Niner !


when there be ice on the antenna wires
make sure that there is irish in your kaffe ~ RHF

= = = On Jan 12, 1:13 pm, "Henry Kolesnik"
= = = wrote:
- This is a long and perhpas delerious shot but
- there may something called thermal momentum
- a far reach but here goes. The hot water may be
- cooling at a faster rate and forgets to wait on the
- cold water to catch up.

Mummm Cold Water and Ketch-Up
Smells like Iced Tomato Soup to me ~ RHF
http://www.recipezaar.com/44648
http://recipes.stsams.org/recipes/icedtomatosoup.html
http://www.dhyansanjivani.org/Iced_T...Soup_Spain.asp
About "Ketch-Up = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchup

"Water is H2O, hydrogen two parts, oxygen one, but there is also a
third thing, that makes it water and nobody knows what it
is."................D.H.Lawrence

bpnjensen wrote:

Henry Kolesnik wrote:
This is a long and perhpas delerious shot but there may something called
thermal momentum a far reach but here goes. The hot water may be cooling at
a faster rate and forgets to wait on the cold water to catch up.

I've thought of this too, and it is very tempting - but taken by itself
it violates the law and concept of "flux is proportional to the
gradient," and so I have to ween myself off the impulse.

Bruce Jensen

BJ, could this just be a simple case of water behaving badly?

Father Michael.

"ve3..." wrote:

A massive arctic cold wave is heading for the midwest and east. It has
already hit the prairies with record cold and blizzard conditions with
three dead so far. A front of this strength can affect radio reception
so it might be worthwhile to tune through the bands for the next four
days.

How will this front affect the ionosphere?

I recall one time when I was you we went camping overnight and each of us
brought a clear glass gallon of water. The jugs were left outside the tent
on the ground. That night we had a pretty good freeze. I was first up and
went to get take a leak and get a drink. I could see that the water hadn't
frozen. So I picked up a jug opened it and hoisted it to my mouth and to my
amazement the water froze in an instant. The other jug didn't. One was
city tap water and the other was from a well and I can't recall which was
which. I recall reporting the phenomena in grade 9 science and we found out
about supercooled liquids. A very interesting phenomena when you consider
that the jug that freezes nearly instantaneously has to give up a bunch of
latent heat. Since then I've seen that happen with beer thats been in the
freeze but its not as dramatic because they all do it and you can't see as
well, and there's many more other things in solution lke alcohol,etc.

--

73
Hank WD5JFR
"ve3..." wrote in message
ups.com...

Henry Kolesnik wrote:
This is a long and perhpas delerious shot but there may something called
thermal momentum a far reach but here goes. The hot water may be cooling
at
a faster rate and forgets to wait on the cold water to catch up.
"bpnjensen" wrote in message
ups.com...
ve3... wrote:
wrote:\\\

The deal with the hot water pipe freezing first is due to the lack
of
dissolved gasses in the water. That is, the heating process takes
the
dissolved gasses out of the water, which in turn makes it easier to
freeze.
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Alas, It ain't so simple. The finest scientific minds of our time have
been unable to come up with a theory that can be proved by experiment.
Current theories include:
- evaporatve cooling
-convection
-dissolved gases
-surrounding environment

snips

The key to all of these is that there is something about both fluids,
apart from temperature, that is not equal.

If you have two identical, equal water fluids whose only difference is
temperature, I would bet good money that the cold one will freeze first
- it simply has to lose a lot less energy to get to the phase change.

I think the best experiment would be not to avoid the presence of
nucleation sites, but to make sure that each vessel has a roughly equal
load of them, guaranteeing that freezing would occur as soon as
possible for each one (just like in nature, where nucleation sites are
abundant).

Bruce Jensen
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from Yahoo:
"...for such a seemingly simple substance, water is surprisingly
complex, and its behaviour is poorly understood. The Mpemba effect is
just one of 38 anamolies of H2O."

Experiments to examine any theory have to contend with an enormous
number of variables.
A paper from London South Bank University examines a few anamolies. Do
not miss "icosahedral water clusters" at the bottom of the page.
http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/explan.html

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 07:22:14 -0500, dxAce
wrote:



"ve3..." wrote:

A massive arctic cold wave is heading for the midwest and east. It has
already hit the prairies with record cold and blizzard conditions with
three dead so far. A front of this strength can affect radio reception
so it might be worthwhile to tune through the bands for the next four
days.

How will this front affect the ionosphere?

It doesn't. It can cause ducting, however.

David wrote:

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 07:22:14 -0500, dxAce
wrote:



"ve3..." wrote:

A massive arctic cold wave is heading for the midwest and east. It has
already hit the prairies with record cold and blizzard conditions with
three dead so far. A front of this strength can affect radio reception
so it might be worthwhile to tune through the bands for the next four
days.

How will this front affect the ionosphere?

It doesn't. It can cause ducting, however.

Which will affect SW how?