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On Mar 12, 10:17?am, "RHF" wrote:

Why Not a 15KW, 20KW or 25KW "HD" Digital AM/MW
Radio Signal which should be as effective as a 50KW Analog
Radio Signal for a Radio Station that is Broadcasting on an
'closed' Clear Channel.

If the current 1/100th of analog power works fine in the useful / usable
signal range of the analog signal, just a slight increase will make HD
more
usable than the analog signal.


"Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of
reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the
anecdotal evidence suggests. Ibiquity no longer reports in its public
summaries whether a station is on the air."

And those 175 represent about 90% of the viable AMs in the top 100
markets.

You can keep spouting this crap until the cows come home but nobody but
you believes it.

It's very simple to verify. Look at the geography of the metro in each top
100 market. Then look at the day and night "usable" coverage of the AM
stations in each market. You will find that there are very few markets with
more than a couple of signals that fully cover the market they are in; all
the rest are partial in coverage and, by virtue of being AM and having
defective coverage, are not going to be much of a factor.

For example, Washington DC does not have one viable AM station. Phoenix has
two. Boston has, maybe, 3. Philadelphia has 3. Miami has one, and that is a
stretch. Denver has 2. Chicago has 5, San Francisco has 4, San Diego has 2,
Dallas / Ft Worth has 3, Houston has, barely, 1, Pittsburgh has 1, Atlanta
has 1, Nashville has 1, Detroit has 2, etc., etc. As markets grow more and
more to the suburbs, fewer and fewer stations are going to be viable.

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

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On Mar 12, 10:17?am, "RHF" wrote:

Why Not a 15KW, 20KW or 25KW "HD" Digital AM/MW
Radio Signal which should be as effective as a 50KW Analog
Radio Signal for a Radio Station that is Broadcasting on an
'closed' Clear Channel.

If the current 1/100th of analog power works fine in the useful / usable
signal range of the analog signal, just a slight increase will make HD
more
usable than the analog signal.


"Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of
reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the
anecdotal evidence suggests. Ibiquity no longer reports in its public
summaries whether a station is on the air."

And those 175 represent about 90% of the viable AMs in the top 100
markets.

You can keep spouting this crap until the cows come home but nobody but
you believes it.

It's very simple to verify. Look at the geography of the metro in each top
100 market. Then look at the day and night "usable" coverage of the AM
stations in each market. You will find that there are very few markets with
more than a couple of signals that fully cover the market they are in; all
the rest are partial in coverage and, by virtue of being AM and having
defective coverage, are not going to be much of a factor.

For example, Washington DC does not have one viable AM station. Phoenix has
two. Boston has, maybe, 3. Philadelphia has 3. Miami has one, and that is a
stretch. Denver has 2. Chicago has 5, San Francisco has 4, San Diego has 2,
Dallas / Ft Worth has 3, Houston has, barely, 1, Pittsburgh has 1, Atlanta
has 1, Nashville has 1, Detroit has 2, etc., etc. As markets grow more and
more to the suburbs, fewer and fewer stations are going to be viable.

OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations
with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many
more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
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OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations
with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many
more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA.

The radio-locator maps are labeled "for amusement purposes only."

Listening of a quantifiable (as opposed to "occasional") nature occurs about
20% INSIDE the innermost red contour in radio-locator. This is proven in
market after market, on AM and FM, based on overlaying listening maps on
coverage contours.

While you can "hear" many stations if you set out to find them, the average
listener does not put up with anything but a strong, interference free
signal... that means about 10 mv/m or more in a metro on AM and about 64 dbu
on FM.

Ventura / Oxnard is not even a top 100 market, anyway. But not a single one
of the local stations (KOXR having the best signal day and night) even
covers, usefully, 50% of the county.

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:42:22 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"Telamon" wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-
OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations
with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many
more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA.

The radio-locator maps are labeled "for amusement purposes only."

Listening of a quantifiable (as opposed to "occasional") nature occurs about
20% INSIDE the innermost red contour in radio-locator. This is proven in
market after market, on AM and FM, based on overlaying listening maps on
coverage contours.

While you can "hear" many stations if you set out to find them, the average
listener does not put up with anything but a strong, interference free
signal... that means about 10 mv/m or more in a metro on AM and about 64 dbu
on FM.

Ventura / Oxnard is not even a top 100 market, anyway. But not a single one
of the local stations (KOXR having the best signal day and night) even
covers, usefully, 50% of the county.

You really need to lose the numbers, pal. People listen to signals
where they can get them, even if Arbitron doesn't care about them.
The FCC is supposed to protect their service, not help you make more
money.

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On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:42:22 GMT, "David Eduardo"
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"Telamon" wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-
OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations
with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many
more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA.

The radio-locator maps are labeled "for amusement purposes only."

Listening of a quantifiable (as opposed to "occasional") nature occurs
about
20% INSIDE the innermost red contour in radio-locator. This is proven in
market after market, on AM and FM, based on overlaying listening maps on
coverage contours.

While you can "hear" many stations if you set out to find them, the
average
listener does not put up with anything but a strong, interference free
signal... that means about 10 mv/m or more in a metro on AM and about 64
dbu
on FM.

Ventura / Oxnard is not even a top 100 market, anyway. But not a single
one
of the local stations (KOXR having the best signal day and night) even
covers, usefully, 50% of the county.

You really need to lose the numbers, pal. People listen to signals
where they can get them, even if Arbitron doesn't care about them.
The FCC is supposed to protect their service, not help you make more
money.

A. Arbitron shows whatever people say they listen to, irrespective of where
they are.
B. The signals you are griping about are outside the protected contours, and
have no guarantee of lack of interference.
C. Commercial radio only exists in the US because stations make money. If
they did not, you would have a choice of religious stations and NPR.

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:00:22 -0700, "David Eduardo"
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C. Commercial radio only exists in the US because stations make money. If
they did not, you would have a choice of religious stations and NPR.

Ma and Pa operations can make money on stations that big-ass
corporations cannot. That was the beauty of Pre-Reagan broadcasting:
diversity.

BTW, I see your company ate a big **** sandwich today.

"Telamon" wrote in message
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OK, I went to radio-locator.com and found that there are 16 AM stations
with moderate to very strong signal levels in my area and I pickup many
more during the daytime in my small town 60 miles north of LA.

In ZIP Code 9303 there are only 4 AM stations that put a 10 mv/m or stronger
over the area... 1590, 1520, 910 and 1450.

Between 5 mv/m and 10, there are three: 1400 from Santa Paula and KFI and
KNX from LA, brought in mostly by the nice salt water path.