On 5 Apr 2007 20:22:32 -0700, "Stephanie Weil"
wrote:

On Apr 5, 9:57 pm, David wrote:

That is ridiculous.

No. Most manufacturers choose to devote more attention to the FM
band. AM on modern commercial radios (and I'm talking the kind of set
you'd have at work or in the kitchen on top of the fridge, not a
dedicated SWL set like a Drake or Transoceanic) is practically DEAF!

Some of the name-brand radios are slightly better, but they're still
nowhere near what they were even 20 or 30 years ago.

Even my Kloss Tivoli Model 1 tuner (which is very great on FM) is
pretty much only good for local AM stations).

That makes no sense.

Listen to an AM station doing IBOC on a high-fidelity radio like a
Kloss Tivoli, Sangean WR-1 or even a Boston Acoustic's Recepter.

You'll hear the station sound hissy and you'll notice the audio "clip"
because of the sidebands (thanks to the wide-band tuner) and the
further compression of the analog portion of the signal. And that's
with the radio tuned correctly.

So basically your US$100.00 radio is left sounding worse than the
speaker on an answering machine.


Ever driven cross-country? At night?

A few times. I can drive from New York to Boston or even almost to
Chicago without changing the station. But how many people do you
think are going to put up with the swishy, wavy audio?

The other people that were in the car with me could not STAND it. One
even complained about it making her sea-sick. So I hunted for local
signals, mostly on FM to keep the passengers happy.

My 2007 SUV has a very high-performance AM radio and I can hear
stations 400+ miles away very nicely, thank-you.

Car radios usually have always had better front ends than most table
radios used in the house.

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

You have a very Northeast-centric view of things. It is many hundreds
of miles between big cities out here and ''DX'' is very much a part of
the radio landscape. While my Tivoli Model One may have crappy AM, my
$30 Walkman is a DX screamer, except now the IBOC from 1140 in
Sacramento and 1160 in Salt Lake messes up the 1150 from Los Angeles.

On Apr 6, 9:10 am, David wrote:
my
$30 Walkman is a DX screamer, except now the IBOC from 1140 in
Sacramento and 1160 in Salt Lake messes up the 1150 from Los Angeles.

How old is your Walkman? The only Walkman I've ever used that had a
sensitive AM tuner was a 1980s model that allowed me to pick up all
the long-distance stations I could normally pick up with my electric
table radios.

While the more recent Walkmans, the tuners properly pick up all the
local stations, they're hardly DX machines. The same thing applies
for ghetto-blasters. The last ones of those with a GOOD sensitive AM
tuner were the ones that came out in the early-mid 1990s that usually
included a couple of SW bands.

There's less people listening to AM radio, so the manufacturers aren't
going to devote resources to a feature that's not going to help sell
the unit.

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

On Apr 5, 12:45?am, blitz wrote:
Stephanie Weil writes...
On Apr 4, 4:50 pm, blitz wrote:

Three in my location completely obliterate 120khz of extra bandwidth
(and some stations offering content I can't get here).

I think that's probably a problem with your particular receiver - too
wide-band?

It's all my receivers. I dx fairly regularly, AM and FM. I can get
adjacent stations next to some strong locals (who don't run IBOC).

But try it on your own. How wide is the splatter on your receivers?

With my Sony ICF-S10MK2 analog-tuned radio, I pick up nothing but hash
on 1490 and 1510 from WTWP 1500 AM-HD in Washington, D.C.

On Apr 5, 1:17�pm, "Stephanie Weil" wrote:
On 4 Apr., 21:45, blitz wrote:

It's all my receivers. I dx fairly regularly, AM and FM. I can get
adjacent stations next to some strong locals (who don't run IBOC).

Most contemporary commercial radios are not designed for DX on MW.
They are designed for local stations.

But try it on your own. How wide is the splatter on your receivers?

It depends on the radio. *I will say some of my hi-fidelity radios
sound like total crap. *As far as the splatter, obviously you're going
to get the distant stations covered up by the local station's
sidebands.

But again, DXers are in the minority and the radio manufacturers are
catering to the majority of people who tend to exclusively listen to
local stations. *Simple economics.

--
Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

Simple economics - hdradio.com, the go-to site for further information
on HD Radio, including finding those secret stations-between-the-
stations is almost dead:

http://www.statsaholic.com/hdradio.com

If bunches of HD radios were being sold, there would be significant
activity at hdradio.com. LOL !!!

On Apr 6, 12:07 pm, wrote:

With my Sony ICF-S10MK2 analog-tuned radio, I pick up nothing but hash
on 1490 and 1510 from WTWP 1500 AM-HD in Washington, D.C.

That's because you're not supposed to pick up anything on those
channels in WTWP's service area anyway.

You'd still be getting a bit of analog splatter from AM 1500 even if
the IBOC weren't there.

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

"David" wrote in message
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On 6 Apr 2007 09:45:36 -0700, "Stephanie Weil"
wrote:

On Apr 6, 12:07 pm, wrote:

With my Sony ICF-S10MK2 analog-tuned radio, I pick up nothing but hash
on 1490 and 1510 from WTWP 1500 AM-HD in Washington, D.C.

That's because you're not supposed to pick up anything on those
channels in WTWP's service area anyway.

You'd still be getting a bit of analog splatter from AM 1500 even if
the IBOC weren't there.

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

Note that Clear Channel values its nightime audience:

That article is two years old... it comes from the time prior to the
official audience introduction of HD, and predates the final HD firmware and
software revisions.

On Apr 7, 12:56 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

That article is two years old... it comes from the time prior to the
official audience introduction of HD, and predates the final HD firmware and
software revisions.

Not to mention I almost had to laugh at the stink about WDMV "trying"
to serve Washington DC with their secondary contour. When this is
some ****-powered thing located in some suburb between Baltimore and
Washington.

Show me how a receiver tuned to a local station IN its primary
service contour is being crippled by IBOC.

--
Stephanie Weil
New York City, NY

In article .com,
"Stephanie Weil" wrote:

On Apr 7, 12:56 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

That article is two years old... it comes from the time prior to the
official audience introduction of HD, and predates the final HD firmware and
software revisions.

Not to mention I almost had to laugh at the stink about WDMV "trying"
to serve Washington DC with their secondary contour. When this is
some ****-powered thing located in some suburb between Baltimore and
Washington.

Show me how a receiver tuned to a local station IN its primary
service contour is being crippled by IBOC.

How about a station screwing itself up? KOGO 600 sounds like crap with
the sync detector set to either USB or LSB.

IBOC cripples plenty of distant stations.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
"Stephanie Weil" wrote:

On Apr 7, 12:56 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

That article is two years old... it comes from the time prior to the
official audience introduction of HD, and predates the final HD
firmware and
software revisions.

Not to mention I almost had to laugh at the stink about WDMV "trying"
to serve Washington DC with their secondary contour. When this is
some ****-powered thing located in some suburb between Baltimore and
Washington.

Show me how a receiver tuned to a local station IN its primary
service contour is being crippled by IBOC.

How about a station screwing itself up? KOGO 600 sounds like crap with
the sync detector set to either USB or LSB.

IBOC cripples plenty of distant stations.

What part of "you are outside the station's coverage range" do you not
understand?

The FCC protects signals from interference in an area where they can be
usefully heard and then, a bit more. You are way outside the KOGO protected
signal area.

In article
,
Telamon wrote:

In article .com,
"Stephanie Weil" wrote:

On Apr 7, 12:56 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

That article is two years old... it comes from the time prior to the
official audience introduction of HD, and predates the final HD firmware
and
software revisions.

Not to mention I almost had to laugh at the stink about WDMV "trying"
to serve Washington DC with their secondary contour. When this is
some ****-powered thing located in some suburb between Baltimore and
Washington.

Show me how a receiver tuned to a local station IN its primary
service contour is being crippled by IBOC.

How about a station screwing itself up? KOGO 600 sounds like crap with
the sync detector set to either USB or LSB.

IBOC cripples plenty of distant stations.

Oh yeah, another one would be KNX 1070. I'm in the primary contour for
both stations KOGO and KNX. There are others that all sound like crap in
side band selectable sync.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California