On Apr 21, 6:44 am, "Brian O" wrote:
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On Apr 19, 7:36 pm, RHF wrote:
On Apr 19, 7:14 pm, m II wrote:

RHF wrote:
Roadie - Killing to Eat and Live is One Thing.

Killing for a Baby Seal's Pure White Fur
to make Fur Coats is another.

hopefully you can understand the difference ~ RHF

So...do the occupiers in Iraq actually EAT the dead or just use the
skins?

mike

M II - There You Go Again ! ! !
Thinking Like a Can-A-Duh-Ian

"Killing to Eat and Live is One Thing"

In Iraq our good American Soldiers are
Killing the Enemy - To Stay Alive [.]

Hopefully You Do Not Consider the Canadain Troops
now in Afghanistan as Killers ? ?

?http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050804/afghanis... Prime Minister Stephen Harper reaffirmed his government's commitment
to Canadian troops serving in

Afghanistan.http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/0...ghanistan06031
3.html







Mike - Take a Deep Breath and Focus
Keep Telling Yourself : I Am a Canadian !
I Love Canada ! - I Am Proud To Be a Canadian !
God {Allah} Bless Canada and All Canadians !

it ain't nice - it's hell - it's called war ~ RHF
and the reality of war often it comes down to
a moment-in-time {instant} where you must
decide to : kill-or-be-killed [.]
.
.
. .

Hell, I'm a dumbass canuck too. So our Canadian boys are over in
Afghanistan fighting Taliban and Al Queda sickos, and doing a fine
job, and helping build schools and hospitals, and handing out radios
and candies, but they keep getting blown up by I.E.D's and asshole
suicide bombers. How the hell do you fight that? The Yanks and the
Brits are having all kinds of trouble with these I.E.D.s and suicide
assholes as well in Iraq. It's one thing to get into a hell of a
firefight, O.K., it's war, but it's another thing when you don't see
what's coming with I.E.D.s and suicide assholes. My oldest boy might
be going over with the "Lincs & Winks" and my second oldest is
thinking of signing up. What the .......!!!!!
Cato

Woud you rather he go fight, or just sit back and wait till they come to
your house to kill you all??

I have nothing against my boys serving their country, and fighting
against evil. Canada did it's part in WW I & WW II, the Boer War,
Korea, (Yep, we were fighting there too.) the Balkan's, Cyprus in the
60's. (O.K., we stayed out of 'Nam and Iraq, Our government decided to
stay out of those two conflicts.) And my family has been there going
all the way back to 1812, and the American Revolution, and the French
& Indian War. (Sorry, half our family was for the Patriots, half for
King George, in the Rev War. It split the family. Tha'ts why I'm a
"dumbass canuck", our half of the family came to Canada after the Rev
War, the half that supported the Patriots still live in the States.
They are the American part of the family.)
Hell, ya, I know it's war, Ya, I'll let them go if their hearts
are set on it, But do you see something wrong with my hating I.E.D.s &
suicide bombers??? That way of fighting, I.E.D.s and suicide bombers,
****es me off. Ya it's reality, ya it's the way these Taliban and Al
Qaeda assholes fight us. You don't get a chance to shoot back. You
don't get a chance to see your enemy and fight back. You're just dead.
Blown to bits. One moment your driving along with your buddies, then
it's all over. And a lot of innocent men, women and children, often
get killed as well. Being a fighting man, and fighting other men is
one thing. Seeing innocent men, women and especially little kids
getting blown up by these Taliban, Al Qaeda assholes is sick. We've
got to erase these killers from the face of the earth. We have to be
there, I agree.
Ya, that's one of the reasons why we have to go and kill these
assholes. And 9/11 of course. Nobody will ever forget that black day.
I agree. But I still hate those god damn I.E.D.s, and asshole suicide
bombers.
So what the ****s wrong with my hating I.E.D.'s and asshole
suicide bombers when ther're killing our boys and innocent
people????????? Don't tell me that they don't bother you!!!
Cato

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On Apr 19, 7:36 pm, RHF wrote:
On Apr 19, 7:14 pm, m II wrote:

RHF wrote:
Roadie - Killing to Eat and Live is One Thing.

Killing for a Baby Seal's Pure White Fur
to make Fur Coats is another.

hopefully you can understand the difference ~ RHF

So...do the occupiers in Iraq actually EAT the dead or just use
the
skins?

mike

M II - There You Go Again ! ! !
Thinking Like a Can-A-Duh-Ian

"Killing to Eat and Live is One Thing"

In Iraq our good American Soldiers are
Killing the Enemy - To Stay Alive [.]

Hopefully You Do Not Consider the Canadain Troops
now in Afghanistan as Killers ? ?


?http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050804/afghanis...
Prime Minister Stephen Harper reaffirmed his government's commitment
to Canadian troops serving in


Afghanistan.http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/0...ghanistan06031
3.html







Mike - Take a Deep Breath and Focus
Keep Telling Yourself : I Am a Canadian !
I Love Canada ! - I Am Proud To Be a Canadian !
God {Allah} Bless Canada and All Canadians !

it ain't nice - it's hell - it's called war ~ RHF
and the reality of war often it comes down to
a moment-in-time {instant} where you must
decide to : kill-or-be-killed [.]
.
.
. .

Hell, I'm a dumbass canuck too. So our Canadian boys are over in
Afghanistan fighting Taliban and Al Queda sickos, and doing a fine
job, and helping build schools and hospitals, and handing out radios
and candies, but they keep getting blown up by I.E.D's and asshole
suicide bombers. How the hell do you fight that? The Yanks and the
Brits are having all kinds of trouble with these I.E.D.s and suicide
assholes as well in Iraq. It's one thing to get into a hell of a
firefight, O.K., it's war, but it's another thing when you don't see
what's coming with I.E.D.s and suicide assholes. My oldest boy might
be going over with the "Lincs & Winks" and my second oldest is
thinking of signing up. What the .......!!!!!
Cato

Woud you rather he go fight, or just sit back and wait till they come to
your house to kill you all??

I have nothing against my boys serving their country, and fighting
against evil. Canada did it's part in WW I & WW II, the Boer War,
Korea, (Yep, we were fighting there too.) the Balkan's, Cyprus in the
60's. (O.K., we stayed out of 'Nam and Iraq, Our government decided to
stay out of those two conflicts.) And my family has been there going
all the way back to 1812, and the American Revolution, and the French
& Indian War. (Sorry, half our family was for the Patriots, half for
King George, in the Rev War. It split the family. Tha'ts why I'm a
"dumbass canuck", our half of the family came to Canada after the Rev
War, the half that supported the Patriots still live in the States.
They are the American part of the family.)
Hell, ya, I know it's war, Ya, I'll let them go if their hearts
are set on it, But do you see something wrong with my hating I.E.D.s &
suicide bombers??? That way of fighting, I.E.D.s and suicide bombers,
****es me off. Ya it's reality, ya it's the way these Taliban and Al
Qaeda assholes fight us. You don't get a chance to shoot back. You
don't get a chance to see your enemy and fight back. You're just dead.
Blown to bits. One moment your driving along with your buddies, then
it's all over. And a lot of innocent men, women and children, often
get killed as well. Being a fighting man, and fighting other men is
one thing. Seeing innocent men, women and especially little kids
getting blown up by these Taliban, Al Qaeda assholes is sick. We've
got to erase these killers from the face of the earth. We have to be
there, I agree.
Ya, that's one of the reasons why we have to go and kill these
assholes. And 9/11 of course. Nobody will ever forget that black day.
I agree. But I still hate those god damn I.E.D.s, and asshole suicide
bombers.
So what the ****s wrong with my hating I.E.D.'s and asshole
suicide bombers when ther're killing our boys and innocent
people????????? Don't tell me that they don't bother you!!!
Cato

Yeah, its cowardly. But that's the enemy we face. They are too cowardly to
get a regular army and fight. But, as the US learned with Vietnam, there
are ways to deal with gorillas. Time is the only way to get to them. It
eventually pays off. When they get tired of the killing before we do, then
they will stop. Therefore, we HAVE to persevere, we CANNOT stop taking the
war to them. And that is what we are doing in Iraq. Troops there are going
house to house, every day, putting their lives on the line, to get these
cowards. That's something the news doesn't tell you. They want you to
think they are just standing around over there while a car bomber just
drives up and blows them all up. That isn't what's happening. There is
STILL a LOT of fighting going on over there. That is exactly why the surge
in the amount of troops is quelling the attacks for the most part. They NOW
have enough to KEEP troops in place rather than just chase the cowards from
house to house and back to the one they were in before. Time is the
secret. That's why President Bush said this would be a LONG war. But the
liberals in the US keep living in this fantasy utopia in which they think
these cowards will be negotiated with. The people of the US need to stand
with the President and have the guts to keep fighting, even if it means loss
of life, or property on their part. They did that in WWII, they DIDNT do it
with Vietnam, and they aren't doing it now. Why? Because Americans these
days are selfish self centered dishonest lovers of themselves. When a
country gets away from caring about its country and its people, and begin to
sink into self-serving anarchy, then what is happening in the US is what
will happen anywhere. Until that changes, countries will fall from within,
and if the US continues down the path of trying to live in its fantasy
utopia, it will fall, hard.
B

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On Apr 19, 7:36 pm, RHF wrote:
On Apr 19, 7:14 pm, m II wrote:

RHF wrote:
Roadie - Killing to Eat and Live is One Thing.

Killing for a Baby Seal's Pure White Fur
to make Fur Coats is another.

hopefully you can understand the difference ~ RHF

So...do the occupiers in Iraq actually EAT the dead or just use
the
skins?

mike

M II - There You Go Again ! ! !
Thinking Like a Can-A-Duh-Ian

"Killing to Eat and Live is One Thing"

In Iraq our good American Soldiers are
Killing the Enemy - To Stay Alive [.]

Hopefully You Do Not Consider the Canadain Troops
now in Afghanistan as Killers ? ?


?http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050804/afghanis...
Prime Minister Stephen Harper reaffirmed his government's commitment
to Canadian troops serving in


Afghanistan.http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/0...ghanistan06031
3.html







Mike - Take a Deep Breath and Focus
Keep Telling Yourself : I Am a Canadian !
I Love Canada ! - I Am Proud To Be a Canadian !
God {Allah} Bless Canada and All Canadians !

it ain't nice - it's hell - it's called war ~ RHF
and the reality of war often it comes down to
a moment-in-time {instant} where you must
decide to : kill-or-be-killed [.]
.
.
. .

Hell, I'm a dumbass canuck too. So our Canadian boys are over in
Afghanistan fighting Taliban and Al Queda sickos, and doing a fine
job, and helping build schools and hospitals, and handing out radios
and candies, but they keep getting blown up by I.E.D's and asshole
suicide bombers. How the hell do you fight that? The Yanks and the
Brits are having all kinds of trouble with these I.E.D.s and suicide
assholes as well in Iraq. It's one thing to get into a hell of a
firefight, O.K., it's war, but it's another thing when you don't see
what's coming with I.E.D.s and suicide assholes. My oldest boy might
be going over with the "Lincs & Winks" and my second oldest is
thinking of signing up. What the .......!!!!!
Cato

Woud you rather he go fight, or just sit back and wait till they come to
your house to kill you all??

I have nothing against my boys serving their country, and fighting
against evil. Canada did it's part in WW I & WW II, the Boer War,
Korea, (Yep, we were fighting there too.) the Balkan's, Cyprus in the
60's. (O.K., we stayed out of 'Nam and Iraq, Our government decided to
stay out of those two conflicts.) And my family has been there going
all the way back to 1812, and the American Revolution, and the French
& Indian War. (Sorry, half our family was for the Patriots, half for
King George, in the Rev War. It split the family. Tha'ts why I'm a
"dumbass canuck", our half of the family came to Canada after the Rev
War, the half that supported the Patriots still live in the States.
They are the American part of the family.)
Hell, ya, I know it's war, Ya, I'll let them go if their hearts
are set on it, But do you see something wrong with my hating I.E.D.s &
suicide bombers??? That way of fighting, I.E.D.s and suicide bombers,
****es me off. Ya it's reality, ya it's the way these Taliban and Al
Qaeda assholes fight us. You don't get a chance to shoot back. You
don't get a chance to see your enemy and fight back. You're just dead.
Blown to bits. One moment your driving along with your buddies, then
it's all over. And a lot of innocent men, women and children, often
get killed as well. Being a fighting man, and fighting other men is
one thing. Seeing innocent men, women and especially little kids
getting blown up by these Taliban, Al Qaeda assholes is sick. We've
got to erase these killers from the face of the earth. We have to be
there, I agree.
Ya, that's one of the reasons why we have to go and kill these
assholes. And 9/11 of course. Nobody will ever forget that black day.
I agree. But I still hate those god damn I.E.D.s, and asshole suicide
bombers.
So what the ****s wrong with my hating I.E.D.'s and asshole
suicide bombers when ther're killing our boys and innocent
people????????? Don't tell me that they don't bother you!!!
Cato

Yeah, its cowardly. But that's the enemy we face. They are too cowardly to
get a regular army and fight. But, as the US learned with Vietnam, there
are ways to deal with gorillas. Time is the only way to get to them. It
eventually pays off. When they get tired of the killing before we do, then
they will stop. Therefore, we HAVE to persevere, we CANNOT stop taking the
war to them. And that is what we are doing in Iraq. Troops there are going
house to house, every day, putting their lives on the line, to get these
cowards. That's something the news doesn't tell you. They want you to
think they are just standing around over there while a car bomber just
drives up and blows them all up. That isn't what's happening. There is
STILL a LOT of fighting going on over there. That is exactly why the surge
in the amount of troops is quelling the attacks for the most part. They NOW
have enough to KEEP troops in place rather than just chase the cowards from
house to house and back to the one they were in before. Time is the
secret. That's why President Bush said this would be a LONG war. But the
liberals in the US keep living in this fantasy utopia in which they think
these cowards will be negotiated with. The people of the US need to stand
with the President and have the guts to keep fighting, even if it means loss
of life, or property on their part. They did that in WWII, they DIDNT do it
with Vietnam, and they aren't doing it now. Why? Because Americans these
days are selfish self centered dishonest lovers of themselves. When a
country gets away from caring about its country and its people, and begin to
sink into self-serving anarchy, then what is happening in the US is what
will happen anywhere. Until that changes, countries will fall from within,
and if the US continues down the path of trying to live in its fantasy
utopia, it will fall, hard.
B

I disagree about the enemy being cowards. When you have
a rifle, and the other guy has an armoured vehicle,
standing
up and facing him sounds very gung-ho but is in fact
damned foolhardy. Just like in a ball game, you go with
the
players and resources that you've got, until such time
as you
have the ones you need for a "stand-up" fight. GET
REAL.

miki.

Brian O wrote:

Yeah, its cowardly. But that's the enemy we face. They are too
cowardly to get a regular army and fight. But, as the US learned
with Vietnam, there are ways to deal with gorillas.

Huh? Please, tell me what we learned in Vietnam and how we dealt with
guerrillas. The last newsreels I saw, we left with our tail between our
legs and Saigon aint called Saigon any more. We should have learned that
we *can't* fight people that just melt into the Vietnam jungle or the
Baghdad urban "jungle" with conventional armies.

Time is the only way to get to them.

How much time do you think we need? Before you answer, please keep in
mind that the Shiites and Sunnis have been feuding since about 638 A.D.
Do you really think a year (or even a five year) "surge" will make any
difference? Even if we did have a five year "surge" and went home after
that, what do you think would happen in year six? That after *centuries*
of feuding, they would start to play nice after a lousy, stinkin' 5 year
surge?

It eventually pays off. When they get tired of the killing before we
do, then they will stop. Therefore, we HAVE to persevere, we CANNOT
stop taking the war to them. And that is what we are doing in Iraq.

Just what *are* we doing in Iraq? According to Bush on national TV, "no
WMDs". According to Cheney on national TV, "no 9/11-Iraq connection".
They finally decided the "reason" for the war was that "Saddam was a bad
guy". Well, OK, but Saddam is long gone. About 70% of the American
public now believes it is the wrong war in the wrong country for the
wrong reason.

Troops there are going house to house, every day, putting their lives
on the line, to get these cowards.

Why are they cowards? Just because they don't have B-52s and H-bombs?
They are fighting the only way they can, to defend their country against
what *they* consider to be occupiers, in the wrong country (THEIR
country) for the wrong (or no) reason. (and please, before you jump all
over me, I am just giving you *their* viewpoint. As a reference, please
recall that in the last week or two, al Sadr said to stop killing Iraqi
soldiers and police and concentrate on killing the occupiers).

Finally, if your kid got killed by a "non-cowardly" fighter jet or
machine gun, would he be any less dead than if killed by an IED?

That's something the news doesn't tell you. They want you to think
they are just standing around over there while a car bomber just
drives up and blows them all up. That isn't what's happening. There
is STILL a LOT of fighting going on over there.

No foolin'. I don't know of anyone who doesn't think there isn't a "LOT
of fighting going on over there". Just watch -any- newscast on -any- day
of the week.

That is exactly why the surge in the amount of troops is quelling the
attacks for the most part.

Again, huh? Some of the worst violence *ever* in Baghdad occurred
*after* the surge started (and presumably, the "surge" is mainly in
Baghdad).

They NOW have enough to KEEP troops in place rather than just chase
the cowards from house to house and back to the one they were in
before. Time is the secret. That's why President Bush said this
would be a LONG war.

Again, HOW long do you suggest we "keep the troops in place"??? The
Sunni/Shiite dispute has been going on for *centuries*. What do you
think? 5 years? 10 years? A generation? Would even a generation make any
difference compared to centuries?

Because Americans these days are selfish self
centered dishonest lovers of themselves. When a country gets away
from caring about its country and its people,

You are exactly right! It's all been Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. Unfortunately,
this administration has spent little or no time addressing or caring
about *domestic* issues that desperately need attention--less people
having health care, less people having good jobs, more people below the
poverty line since 2000.

Until that changes, countries will fall from
within, and if the US continues down the path of trying to live in
its fantasy utopia, it will fall, hard.

Sadly, I agree with your statement. Where we differ is that I lay most
of the blame at the door step of the current greedy administration--do
*everything* for big business like Big Oil, Haliburton and the
Pharmaceuticals but let the old people in this country decide if they
are going to buy their medicine or buy dog food for dinner. As you so
aptly put it, "they have gotten away from caring about their people".

Cato wrote:

So what the ****s wrong with my hating I.E.D.'s and asshole
suicide bombers when ther're killing our boys and innocent
people????????? Don't tell me that they don't bother you!!!

Sure. But whether you like it or not, they are fighting to win for
whatever their cause is. Their attitude is, "**** fair." And,
frankly, that attitude wins wars and ultimately saves lives.

The crap with exclusion zones and fighting these guys with one hand
tied behind our back won't work. It may assuage our western
consciences, but it won't work... unless some large portion of the
populace fears that we will *stop* doing that.

We didn't in VietNam, so while they were sticking bamboo shoots under
fingernails of prisoners, we were worrying about exclusion zones.

In Iraq, we don't attack mosques used as armories because we want to
respect the mosque and Islam. How is using it as an armory
"respecting Islam?"

Eric F. Richards wrote:

In Iraq, we don't attack mosques used as armories because we want to
respect the mosque and Islam. How is using it as an armory
"respecting Islam?"



http://snipurl.com/1himr

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3608315.stm


================================================== =
Almost half of the city's mosques have been destroyed after being
targeted by US air and tank strikes," he added.
http://english.aljazeera.net/English...ArchiveId=7581
================================================== =


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0407-06.htm

or:

http://tinyurl.com/2jbk5j

Yeah...nuke the *******s.....all of them...

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:11:15 GMT, m II wrote:

Eric F. Richards wrote:

In Iraq, we don't attack mosques used as armories because we want to
respect the mosque and Islam. How is using it as an armory
"respecting Islam?"



http://snipurl.com/1himr

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3608315.stm


================================================= ==
Almost half of the city's mosques have been destroyed after being
targeted by US air and tank strikes," he added.
http://english.aljazeera.net/English...ArchiveId=7581
================================================= ==


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0407-06.htm

or:

http://tinyurl.com/2jbk5j

On Apr 21, 4:54 pm, Eric F. Richards wrote:
Cato wrote:
So what the ****s wrong with my hating I.E.D.'s and asshole
suicide bombers when ther're killing our boys and innocent
people????????? Don't tell me that they don't bother you!!!

Sure. But whether you like it or not, they are fighting to win for
whatever their cause is. Their attitude is, "**** fair." And,
frankly, that attitude wins wars and ultimately saves lives.

The crap with exclusion zones and fighting these guys with one hand
tied behind our back won't work. It may assuage our western
consciences, but it won't work... unless some large portion of the
populace fears that we will *stop* doing that.

We didn't in VietNam, so while they were sticking bamboo shoots under
fingernails of prisoners, we were worrying about exclusion zones.

In Iraq, we don't attack mosques used as armories because we want to
respect the mosque and Islam. How is using it as an armory
"respecting Islam?"
The crap with exclusion zones and fighting these guys with one hand
tied behind our back won't work. It may assuage our western
consciences, but it won't work... unless some large portion of the
populace fears that we will *stop* doing that.

We didn't in VietNam, so while they were sticking bamboo shoots under
fingernails of prisoners, we were worrying about exclusion zones.

In Iraq, we don't attack mosques used as armories because we want to
respect the mosque and Islam. How is using it as an armory
"respecting Islam?"

I think we are maybe not talking about the same thing exactly. What
I am talking about is that in this war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the
enemy has no feelings about innocent civilians. They will not hesitate
to target innocent people and erase them from this world. I would like
to think that we do not intentionally target civilian non-combatants.
If we did, then we would be just as much murderous animals as the
enemy that we fight.
(( Only if some country fired nukes at our cities, or we had
conclusive evidence that they about to fire them at us, ( example,
North Korea) would I agree to taking out the country with massive
retaliation on their cities.))
That is what I am talking about. Doing the best we can to take
out the enemy, and leave the civilians unharmed as best we can. Sure
there will be times were we fall down on that effort and some
civilians will be killed accidentally, but I would like to think that
we do our outmost to keep those innocent deaths to an absolute
minimum.
Cato

Cato wrote:

I think we are maybe not talking about the same thing exactly. What
I am talking about is that in this war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the
enemy has no feelings about innocent civilians. They will not hesitate
to target innocent people and erase them from this world. I would like
to think that we do not intentionally target civilian non-combatants.
If we did, then we would be just as much murderous animals as the
enemy that we fight.

Unfortunately, our aim must be terrible. Bush himself, personally and on
National TV, *admitted* to the deaths of 35,000 innocent civilians, a
number on the very *low* end of the range. Many other organizations put
the figure much higher. Maybe those "smart" bombs weren't. :-(

Oh, by the way, read any of the books about the war--we *did*
intentionally hit many civilian targets--power plants, sewage treatment
plants and many other NON-military targets. Why do you think the country
is in such a total shambles? There weren't *that* many military targets.

One recent book that clearly documents this (with many references) is
"Web of Deceit" by Lando.

Cato wrote:


I think we are maybe not talking about the same thing exactly. What
I am talking about is that in this war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the
enemy has no feelings about innocent civilians. They will not hesitate
to target innocent people and erase them from this world.

That's right...

I would like
to think that we do not intentionally target civilian non-combatants.

Generally, that's true...

If we did, then we would be just as much murderous animals as the
enemy that we fight.

....and I agree...

(( Only if some country fired nukes at our cities, or we had
conclusive evidence that they about to fire them at us, ( example,
North Korea) would I agree to taking out the country with massive
retaliation on their cities.))

But that's not what I'm talking about.

The Powell Doctrine was pretty clear: Go in with overwhelming force,
have a clear definition of the job from beginning to end, do the job
with overwhelming military force, and get out.

We went in on the cheap, with no reasonable answer to how to deal with
the aftermath of taking the Iraqi government out, and neglected since
then the escalating problems.

We have also treated, for example, al Sadr to continue to function as
a corrosive influence over there. A sniper team could have taken him
out and I think we would have been better off with him as a potential
martyr than as an active cancer.

But, because he is a self-described "cleric" (as opposed to his
father, who really was an expert on Islam), and hid in a mosque, we
didn't touch him. He had no problem with taking us out.

That is what I am talking about. Doing the best we can to take
out the enemy, and leave the civilians unharmed as best we can. Sure
there will be times were we fall down on that effort and some
civilians will be killed accidentally, but I would like to think that
we do our outmost to keep those innocent deaths to an absolute
minimum.
Cato

What I read you talking about is that they don't fight fair. War
isn't about fair, war is about winning control through violence.
That's why we souldn't play with it, but treat it as soberly and
seriously, something our American administration hasn't been willing
to do.

Screw fair. They do, and we should. I'm not talking about paving
over the surface of Iraq and killing everyone, but we sure as hell
shouldn't be afraid to fight the insurgents, al-Quida, the Taliban,
etc on the grounds that they choose to hide from us.


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