Cato wrote:

On Apr 21, 4:03 pm, Whatever wrote:
Telamon wrote:

Anyone with even half a brain understands that mans contribution to
various gas balance in the atmosphere is a drop in the bucket compared
to natural processes that control it.

We do not control the atmospheric gas balance or temperature globally.
We do control it locally such as creating heat islands around cities for
example but the over all climate picture is not determined by mans
activity.

There are many temperature cycles that can be seen over time. We may be
at the end of a 20 year or middle of a 40 year warming trend. The
average temperature may start to decline now or may increase another
0.6 degC yet then decline.

Nobody knows what will happen yet because we do not have reliable
temperature data beyond 150 years and global climate models are a joke
so speculate all you want about what the future holds.

Inconveniently, the single biggest individual energy user and propaganda
provider in the USA is Al Gore.

So you're willing to bet your future and that of future generations on
the slight possibility that you're right. By the time we know for sure,
it would be too late to act. If it turns out you're right, we will still
have cleaned up the environment in an effort to stop global warming,
even if it doesn't happen. Either way we win.- Hide quoted text -

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Slight Possibility?? It's common sense. The earth's climate
is always changing. And we will adapt, as we have in the past. Do you
think that our climate should always be like the climate in the 1950's
or 60's and that it should be that way forever?? and that it was
always like that in the past?? Like I said, what about the Medieval
Warm Period when the world was warmer then now. Tell me what caused
that. Or the Little Ice Age from approx. the 1400's to the mid 19th
century. What caused that? How come back in the late sixties and
seventies they were trying to scare us with visions of Global Cooling
and another Ice Age???
Do you want to spend the Western World into the poor house for a
few ppm of CO2? Kyoto even lets China and India off the hook, and
allows us to continue CO2 production by purchasing credits. It will do
nothing, and cost untold Hundreds of Billions and Trillions of dollars
and destroy the economy of the western nations. And that is exactly
what some people want to see happen. They want to see the West go down
on it's knees. SOCIALISM WILL FINALLY BE TRIUMPHANT !!
By the way, ever hear of Ice Ages? Our caveman ancestors
survived the last ice age. And the polar bears survived the Medieval
Warm Period.
The climate will always change, get used to it.

You'll never convince them, Cato. It's their new religion.

On Apr 21, 4:33 pm, dxAce wrote:
Cato wrote:
On Apr 21, 4:03 pm, Whatever wrote:
Telamon wrote:

Anyone with even half a brain understands that mans contribution to
various gas balance in the atmosphere is a drop in the bucket compared
to natural processes that control it.

We do not control the atmospheric gas balance or temperature globally.
We do control it locally such as creating heat islands around cities for
example but the over all climate picture is not determined by mans
activity.

There are many temperature cycles that can be seen over time. We may be
at the end of a 20 year or middle of a 40 year warming trend. The
average temperature may start to decline now or may increase another
0.6 degC yet then decline.

Nobody knows what will happen yet because we do not have reliable
temperature data beyond 150 years and global climate models are a joke
so speculate all you want about what the future holds.

Inconveniently, the single biggest individual energy user and propaganda
provider in the USA is Al Gore.

So you're willing to bet your future and that of future generations on
the slight possibility that you're right. By the time we know for sure,
it would be too late to act. If it turns out you're right, we will still
have cleaned up the environment in an effort to stop global warming,
even if it doesn't happen. Either way we win.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Slight Possibility?? It's common sense. The earth's climate
is always changing. And we will adapt, as we have in the past. Do you
think that our climate should always be like the climate in the 1950's
or 60's and that it should be that way forever?? and that it was
always like that in the past?? Like I said, what about the Medieval
Warm Period when the world was warmer then now. Tell me what caused
that. Or the Little Ice Age from approx. the 1400's to the mid 19th
century. What caused that? How come back in the late sixties and
seventies they were trying to scare us with visions of Global Cooling
and another Ice Age???
Do you want to spend the Western World into the poor house for a
few ppm of CO2? Kyoto even lets China and India off the hook, and
allows us to continue CO2 production by purchasing credits. It will do
nothing, and cost untold Hundreds of Billions and Trillions of dollars
and destroy the economy of the western nations. And that is exactly
what some people want to see happen. They want to see the West go down
on it's knees. SOCIALISM WILL FINALLY BE TRIUMPHANT !!
By the way, ever hear of Ice Ages? Our caveman ancestors
survived the last ice age. And the polar bears survived the Medieval
Warm Period.
The climate will always change, get used to it.

You'll never convince them, Cato. It's their new religion.- Hide quoted text -

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You'll never convince them, Cato. It's their new religion.-

Ya, you're right. Most of them are "true believers" in
their new faith. We used to call it being "brainwashed " years ago.
Cato