ve3... wrote:
On May 7, 1:48 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
ve3... wrote:

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If you really want Canadians to cease their comments on US life, all
you have to do is stop posting anti-Canadian slanders on this website.
Then we will go away and tend to our own affairs. It is very simple.
Just stop!
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As someone who works with Canadians every day, this statement is
simply not true.
There is not a day goes by that my Canadian colleagues take shots at the US. To date, without provocation.

Interesting. Are you working in Canada or the US? How come there are
so many Canadians in your work group? What kind of shots do they take?


I'm in the US. My Canadian colleagues are north of the border.

They take the same shots you do. And will soon be free of my
business as a result.




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This is not to compare Canadians with Al Quaeda. That would be
absurd. Canadians are simply not committed enough to anything to take a conflict beyond nasty language.

This is an absurd statement. Canadians are currently fighting in
Afghanistan and were very active in Korea and WW II. They did not
fight in Iraq because the US invaded in defiance of the UN. The
Afghanistan war is sanctioned by the UN.



UN approval of warfare is as absurd as the Saskatchewan Navy.
That the UN sanctioned Afghanistan and not Iraq is laughable. Especially
in light of the number of UN resolutions defied by Iraq, and the direct
call for military action in response to non compliance within them.

And don't get too high about Canadian commitment. Comments by
your PM, and parliamentary candidates have been far less than supportive
in either theatre. But where the heavy lifting is to be done, is not
where Canadian troops are to be found.

And be sure to let me know when you come up with a single example
where Canadian troops led the fight, instead of following the path
blazed by US Marines.









Check the history of the group. The Canadians started their
criticism, ragging, and dismissive noise before anyone on this side of
the border ever said anything about them. Even DXAce hadn't made a
comment about Cana-DUH until several anti-US threads had developed.

I seem to have come along in the middle of this broughaha and
don't know the origins. That's the trouble with these vendettas. They
develop a life of their own. Rather like the Iraq war (Mission
Accomplished) which is not going as planned.


Typical high horse crack of someone who doesn't have the stomach
for taking the fight to the enemy. No war in the history of mankind, or
the knuckledraggers that preceded him has gone according to plan. To
expect anything like it is to live in a fantasy of media haze, where no
problem can't be solved in an hour, with 6 commercial breaks, and blood
comes out of a bottle from the props department.

Hard reality: War is messy. And it's ugly. And it's hell on
earth. But as undesireable as it may be, sometimes it is necessary. And
in the case of an enemy that will be satisfied only with American
deaths, anything less than lethal response will not be respected.

Anyone that doesn't like it can do without our commerce, and our
aid.





If you really understood economics, you'd shut your pie hole.

I may not be an Alan Greenspan, or better a Kenneth Galbraith, but
some facts about the US economy are worrisome. Some facts from the pie
hole:

1. The US national debt is clse to 8 trillion dollars and rising
rapidly.
2. The foreign trade deficit is about 800 billion dollars this year.
3. The manufacturing base of the US has been sent to China
4. The savings rate is negative for the first time in 70 years.
5. The value of the US dollar has dropped from $1.35 to the Euro to
0.81 . Gold is similar.
6. There has been no provision for future Social Security and
Medicare
7. Wages have been stagnant or declining since 1975.
8. The official inflation rate is a lie. True inflation is about 8%
9. China holds about 1 trillion dollars in US debt.

That is just a few items off the top of my head. Do you disagree with
any of them?


Not a one.

But the facts are not within context.

In a global economy, trade deficits do not exist. US has a
deficit in context of the US only. Globally, we import, someone exports
one commodity imports another from a third party. The third party
exports and imports from fourth and fifth parties. Each nation has their
own trade deficits and surplusses. Money changes hands all the way
around. Globally, the trade balance is zero. In which case, the real
money to be made is by the nation that conducts the most volume. That's
the US. Closely followed by Japan, and soon China.

China's percentage of US debt is offset by China's own debts
globally, much of which comes around to surplusses held by the US from
other countries doing business with China.

If each nation's trade was in balance, the global economy would
be static. In that, there is no growth. For there to be growth in an
economy, there has to be some debt, some imbalance to be filled.

As each nation's economy ebbs and flows economic opportunities
are formed. Here's where Capitalism has the advantage. Capitalism
permits individuals, or individual companies to seize opportunities,
fill needs and move with the economic ebb and flow. This generates
wealth, which generates further economic opportunity. If not stifled by
extreme income redistribution, the result is general economic boom.

Regarding the manufacturing base....some manufacturing jobs
have been sent to China, true. Quite a number, actually. Then, again,
look at the number of high wage, high skill manufacturing jobs moving
INTO the US from other nations. Germany is building more cars here than
in Germany, now. Japan is investing trillions in manufacturing in the
US. Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Mazda, to name but 5 Japanese
firms, have built plants in the US for manufacture here, and are
building more. Hyundai is building not one, but two major plants in the
US. Mercedes is building a second plant in the US as is BMW.

With those jobs come construction and engineering jobs,
manufacturing machine tool building jobs. Ancillary parts manufacturing
jobs. Accessory manufacturing jobs. As well as boutique manufacturing
jobs, like the building of aftermarket iPod interfaces for factory sound
systems by Peripheral and a half dozen more companies cashing in on the
iPod/vehicle phenomenon.

With those jobs come manufacturing jobs in other countries
providing parts and supplies, as well as consuming products for
inclusion in their own market places.

Looking at the jobs exiting the US to China, but not the
number of jobs moving to, and through other countries, including the US
is disingenuous at best. Misleading, and dishonest at worst.

Again, typical of the man on the high horse.


There never was a provision for Social Security or Medicare.
By design of Roosevelt himself, they were to be temporary solutions to a
Depresssion Era economy during war time. NOT long term solutions. Far,
Far better solutions are to be found in the private sector than those
provided by the Goverment.

Savings are, indeed, in the negative for the first time in
history. This owing to more active income provision for retirement.
Investments are replacing savings. By the recommendations of money
managers, and financial analysts themselves, who have been pointing out
for decades that 9% in the market will double your money in 10 years.
While 3% in savings will not.

Most households own stocks, now, rather than savings. Again,
looking at the individual line item, rather than the full statement,
tells only a fraction of the story.


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I have ignored your geopolitical comments as they are not germane to
our discussion.



Uh huh....of course. The debate is over. And the science is
settled,eh? Again, typical of the man on the high horse...where
defense is not possible, declare discussion at an end.


Must be related to AlGore.