On Aug 6, 3:12 pm, Stephan Grossklass
wrote:
M Peraaho schrieb:

Yes Degen/Tecsun are the same company see:

www.degen.com.cn/english/info.asp

They only share the same office for overseas business, but the
headquarters are located in different towns:http://www.tecsun.com.cn/english/index.htm
So I insist that these are two separate companies. I vaguely remember
something about Degen having been founded by former Tecsun folks,
however. Degen's production techniques and products seem to be quite a
bit less oldschool than Tecsun's (which seem to involve a lot of things
getting done by hand).

Stephan
--
Home:http://stephan.win31.de/
Team Mostly Harmless


Tecsun is largely an operation of the Communist Party. It's hard to
get more oldschool than that. I imagine that Tecsun is operated
similar to the collective farms, where the CCP tries to overcome lack
of technology through brute force, such as armies of peasants knee
deep in rice paddies tending the crops. There is little incentive to
change the system because it keeps the people from rebelling by
keeping them occupied.

The functionaries probably tolerate Degen because Degen can cut
through the red tape better than they can because it keeps the Party
at arm's length. There's probably a certain amount of admiration on
the part of the hacks. Any other company finds itself largely shut
out, at least when it comes to shortwave radios, because China
considers shortwave to be vital to keeping the peasants in line. Most
Chinese peasants cannot afford satellite TV, and FM coverage is out of
the question for much of the country, so shortwave is it.

Sangean has largely died on the vine, and Sony has moved on to greener
pastures. Other Chinese radio makers exist, but shortwave is a no go
area for them, because of its strategic importance to the Party. Even
though Degen is tolerated, it has fewer resources than Tecsun, and is
largely unknown outside China except among SW aficionados.

SW may seem hugely unimportant to Americans, but to the Chinese
Communists it's everything, thus they control it. Tecsun dominates the
US shortwave market, even though few Americans notice. The Party sees
increasing shortwave listeners in America as a good way to convert
people to its point of view. CRI blankets America with quality
signals, and Tecsun's Eton line of radios is easy to find. Eton
advertises heavily in Passport, likely keeping it alive. Mao may have
been mad, but he always had a method behind it.

On 8 7 , 11 52 , American Insurgent wrote:
On Aug 6, 3:12 pm, Stephan Grossklass
wrote:





M Peraaho schrieb:

Yes Degen/Tecsun are the same company see:

www.degen.com.cn/english/info.asp

They only share the same office for overseas business, but the
headquarters are located in different towns:http://www.tecsun.com.cn/english/index.htm
So I insist that these are two separate companies. I vaguely remember
something about Degen having been founded by former Tecsun folks,
however. Degen's production techniques and products seem to be quite a
bit less oldschool than Tecsun's (which seem to involve a lot of things
getting done by hand).

Stephan
--
Home:http://stephan.win31.de/
Team Mostly Harmless

Tecsun is largely an operation of the Communist Party. It's hard to
get more oldschool than that. I imagine that Tecsun is operated
similar to the collective farms, where the CCP tries to overcome lack
of technology through brute force, such as armies of peasants knee
deep in rice paddies tending the crops. There is little incentive to
change the system because it keeps the people from rebelling by
keeping them occupied.

The functionaries probably tolerate Degen because Degen can cut
through the red tape better than they can because it keeps the Party
at arm's length. There's probably a certain amount of admiration on
the part of the hacks. Any other company finds itself largely shut
out, at least when it comes to shortwave radios, because China
considers shortwave to be vital to keeping the peasants in line. Most
Chinese peasants cannot afford satellite TV, and FM coverage is out of
the question for much of the country, so shortwave is it.

Sangean has largely died on the vine, and Sony has moved on to greener
pastures. Other Chinese radio makers exist, but shortwave is a no go
area for them, because of its strategic importance to the Party. Even
though Degen is tolerated, it has fewer resources than Tecsun, and is
largely unknown outside China except among SW aficionados.

SW may seem hugely unimportant to Americans, but to the Chinese
Communists it's everything, thus they control it. Tecsun dominates the
US shortwave market, even though few Americans notice. The Party sees
increasing shortwave listeners in America as a good way to convert
people to its point of view. CRI blankets America with quality
signals, and Tecsun's Eton line of radios is easy to find. Eton
advertises heavily in Passport, likely keeping it alive. Mao may have
been mad, but he always had a method behind it.- -

- -

I am posting some picutres here which were taken in Tecsun factory
last month, you could see the factory yourself and make a judgement
whether Tecsun is like you described as the communist brute force
factory.

http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2221197270.JPG
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...1521691803.JPG
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2242227344.JPG
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2245826600.JPG
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2253322787.JPG
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2226860594.JPG
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2264546356.JPG
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2272576291.JPG
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2283179655.JPG
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2229491433.JPG
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2114286435.JPG
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2125420267.JPG
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2141068775.JPG
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2155352688.JPG
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2185938669.JPG
http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2215735444.JPG

What you described would be true 30 years ago, things have changed so
much in those 30 years. I am so suprised there is still people
believing all these crapy propaganda against communist China.

On Aug 7, 2:21 am, " wrote:
On 8 7 , 11 52 , American Insurgent wrote:





On Aug 6, 3:12 pm, Stephan Grossklass
wrote:

M Peraaho schrieb:

Yes Degen/Tecsun are the same company see:

www.degen.com.cn/english/info.asp

They only share the same office for overseas business, but the
headquarters are located in different towns:http://www.tecsun.com.cn/english/index.htm
So I insist that these are two separate companies. I vaguely remember
something about Degen having been founded by former Tecsun folks,
however. Degen's production techniques and products seem to be quite a
bit less oldschool than Tecsun's (which seem to involve a lot of things
getting done by hand).

Stephan
--
Home:http://stephan.win31.de/
Team Mostly Harmless

Tecsun is largely an operation of the Communist Party. It's hard to
get more oldschool than that. I imagine that Tecsun is operated
similar to the collective farms, where the CCP tries to overcome lack
of technology through brute force, such as armies of peasants knee
deep in rice paddies tending the crops. There is little incentive to
change the system because it keeps the people from rebelling by
keeping them occupied.

The functionaries probably tolerate Degen because Degen can cut
through the red tape better than they can because it keeps the Party
at arm's length. There's probably a certain amount of admiration on
the part of the hacks. Any other company finds itself largely shut
out, at least when it comes to shortwave radios, because China
considers shortwave to be vital to keeping the peasants in line. Most
Chinese peasants cannot afford satellite TV, and FM coverage is out of
the question for much of the country, so shortwave is it.

Sangean has largely died on the vine, and Sony has moved on to greener
pastures. Other Chinese radio makers exist, but shortwave is a no go
area for them, because of its strategic importance to the Party. Even
though Degen is tolerated, it has fewer resources than Tecsun, and is
largely unknown outside China except among SW aficionados.

SW may seem hugely unimportant to Americans, but to the Chinese
Communists it's everything, thus they control it. Tecsun dominates the
US shortwave market, even though few Americans notice. The Party sees
increasing shortwave listeners in America as a good way to convert
people to its point of view. CRI blankets America with quality
signals, and Tecsun's Eton line of radios is easy to find. Eton
advertises heavily in Passport, likely keeping it alive. Mao may have
been mad, but he always had a method behind it.- -

- -

I am posting some picutres here which were taken in Tecsun factory
last month, you could see the factory yourself and make a judgement
whether Tecsun is like you described as the communist brute force
factory.

http://www.zmdz.com/bbs/incomefiles/...2215735444.JPG

What you described would be true 30 years ago, things have changed so
much in those 30 years. I am so suprised there is still people
believing all these crapy propaganda against communist China.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

SPWAN9,

Nice Photos an it has been "The People's Republic of China"
-or- China (PRC) ever since Nixon and Kissinger in 1972
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/pub...inger/nixzhou/
Sino-US Reapproachment is History ~ RHF

On 7 Aug, 04:52, American Insurgent wrote:
On Aug 6, 3:12 pm, Stephan Grossklass
wrote:



M Peraaho schrieb:

Yes Degen/Tecsun are the same company see:

www.degen.com.cn/english/info.asp

They only share the same office for overseas business, but the
headquarters are located in different towns:http://www.tecsun.com.cn/english/index.htm
So I insist that these are two separate companies. I vaguely remember
something about Degen having been founded by former Tecsun folks,
however. Degen's production techniques and products seem to be quite a
bit less oldschool than Tecsun's (which seem to involve a lot of things
getting done by hand).

Stephan
--
Home:http://stephan.win31.de/
Team Mostly Harmless

Tecsun is largely an operation of the Communist Party. It's hard to
get more oldschool than that. I imagine that Tecsun is operated
similar to the collective farms, where the CCP tries to overcome lack
of technology through brute force, such as armies of peasants knee
deep in rice paddies tending the crops. There is little incentive to
change the system because it keeps the people from rebelling by
keeping them occupied.

The functionaries probably tolerate Degen because Degen can cut
through the red tape better than they can because it keeps the Party
at arm's length. There's probably a certain amount of admiration on
the part of the hacks. Any other company finds itself largely shut
out, at least when it comes to shortwave radios, because China
considers shortwave to be vital to keeping the peasants in line. Most
Chinese peasants cannot afford satellite TV, and FM coverage is out of
the question for much of the country, so shortwave is it.

Sangean has largely died on the vine, and Sony has moved on to greener
pastures. Other Chinese radio makers exist, but shortwave is a no go
area for them, because of its strategic importance to the Party. Even
though Degen is tolerated, it has fewer resources than Tecsun, and is
largely unknown outside China except among SW aficionados.

SW may seem hugely unimportant to Americans, but to the Chinese
Communists it's everything, thus they control it. Tecsun dominates the
US shortwave market, even though few Americans notice. The Party sees
increasing shortwave listeners in America as a good way to convert
people to its point of view. CRI blankets America with quality
signals, and Tecsun's Eton line of radios is easy to find. Eton
advertises heavily in Passport, likely keeping it alive. Mao may have
been mad, but he always had a method behind it.

I rather like CRI; much better than the vast majority of American SW
stations I receive which are always sod-awful Christian ones. I once
answered a request from one of these to provide a reception report and
now am bombarded with ridiculous begging emails from them. Can't see
CRI doing this to mailbox respondents.

To me it is clear which continent is trying hardest to 'convert
listeners to its point of view'.

And long live the DE1103!

Duncan wrote at 07.08.07 about " degan/kaito 1103" in in . com:


I rather like CRI;

To me it is clear which continent is trying hardest to 'convert
listeners to its point of view'.

And to me it is clear, that I not trust CRI and other chinese media as long
as China jams foreign radio stations like BBC, VOA or Voice of Tibet.
A state, who blocks the availbility of foreign media for its own citizens,
has much informations and opinions to hide.


With greetings from Germany

Andreas

On Aug 12, 5:00 am, Andreas Nitschke wrote:
Duncan wrote at 07.08.07 about " degan/kaito 1103" in in . com:

I rather like CRI;
To me it is clear which continent is trying hardest to 'convert
listeners to its point of view'.

And to me it is clear, that I not trust CRI and other chinese media as long
as China jams foreign radio stations like BBC, VOA or Voice of Tibet.
A state, who blocks the availbility of foreign media for its own citizens,
has much informations and opinions to hide.

With greetings from Germany

Andreas

To be precise, the Chinese are jamming Radio Free Asia, a US
propaganda station. RFA is similar to the Radio Free Europe/Radio
Liberty station that operated during the Soviet era. I personally find
CRI dull. Most stories are China-specific, and the few international
news stories presented are done with a slant that makes them boring.
At least Cuba has an interesting perspective, and a good selection of
news that tends to be ignored by everybody else. The Chinese have
plenty of money, and CRI is simply the overseas service of CPBS/CNR,
so comparing them to American stations is not fair. American stuff is
absolute bottom of the barrel-mostly offbeat religion and various
weirdos with an ax to grind against the government. The stations don't
have government resources behind them, so they're constantly in a
desperate race to keep ahead of the power company and keep the juice
on. Thus the constant begging. Anybody with altruistic motives quickly
gets hammered by the money issue, and either gives up or becomes a
slave to whoever will pay them. This happened to Allan Weiner, who
wanted to be a legal pirate and instead became just another kook
station trying to stay afloat. The only station that makes it work is
WWCR, which seems to be doing ok, and the single source of income
stations like Family Radio. Other than that, there's very little
market.